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Title: Freedom4um Future
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Published: Sep 26, 2016
Author: Me
Post Date: 2016-09-26 13:49:17 by Pinguinite
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As I think most everyone here knows, 4um is currently on borrowed time. Christine, who founded this site is no longer here, and it's continued existence is by her graces alone, for the time being. At least as far as I know.

My understanding is that 4um will be permitted to continue until the Nov election, but soon after that, the plug may be pulled. I expect that would happen with little to no explicit warning, meaning that any of us who wish to stay in contact may permanently lose the opportunity to do so unless alternate contact info is exchanged in advance.

In my last communication with Christine, I offered to take responsibility for 4um until the general election, but with no guarantees that I'd want to continue doing so after that -- maybe I would, maybe I wouldn't -- but I received no response to that limited offer. If I offered to take permanent control of the site and continue it indefinitely, she may well accept that, but I wouldn't know until I made such an offer.

If someone else made a similar serous offer -- someone she is sentimental too -- she may well agree to turn it over to that person.

There is really just one question:

Is it worth it to continuing running 4um?

There are a few costs to consider. One is the hosting fee, which could run from $50-$200 per year, along with the domain name registration fee. If I were to take it, I'd put it on my own server I'm already using for other purposes essentially making the hosting cost zero. I would also want to make the whole site encrypted, just on principle, which would make passwords and pmail really private from prying eyes.

But the other costs involve time and patience for such things as editing articles, changing PW's for people, and deciding who to kick off the site. And then there's the more serious potential issues of dealing with copyright infringement claims. Rare but it can happen.

Factored in is the current volume of posters. Are there enough people here to make it worthwhile to continue the site, or are discussion forums like this one becoming obsolete as people turn to other forms of social media, like FB? Is there any potential for new people to come here and participate, or is this site becoming more and more isolated from public view so as to be destined to become an internet ghost town?

A few notes:

Christine owns the site, but not any of us. So while she has the right to close down the site, it does not mean another successor forum site couldn't be made to replace it by me or anyone else.

She might agree to turn 4um over in it's complete form to someone else. She might agree to turn over the domain name and artwork to someone eles, but insist the entire posting history of 4um be purged. Or she might want the entire site deleted.

If the latter is the case, a new domain could be created that remaining people could migrate too in advance. (Maybe Freedom5um.com, to suggest an amusing name). The time to discuss this is now, if there's to be any discussion at all before the 4um plug gets pulled, just in case it does.

Thoughts?

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#19. To: hondo68 (#18)

lol - good point.

Get your popcorn readied for this evening, it should be a comedic hoot.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-09-26   17:34:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Lod (#19)

They say Hillary has been practicing this debate for the past 2-3 weeks with someone who tries to emulate Trump's expected debating points.

Doubtless it's something she needs to do, which says something of itself.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-09-26   17:39:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Pinguinite (#0)

Freedom4um is an eclectic aggregator of a wide variety of info - politics, science/technology, militaria, history, guns/ammo, weird animals, health/nutrition, etc. I'd like to see it stay around and I'd be willing to kick in a couple of $ if cost is ever an issue.

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2016-09-26   17:43:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: hondo68 (#18)

My psychic prediction is that things will get worse after the election in November. This is based on the likelihood that a Republican or a Democrat will be elected president.

Naw,it's going to be a Republicrat. There are no real Republicans left in any position of power in what passes for our government,and may never be another one.

I agree that things are going to get entertaining after the election,though. Regardless of who gets elected,large masses of people are going to be pissed.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-09-26   17:52:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: X-15 (#21)

Who are you calling a weird animal??

It’s All About The Supreme Court

randge  posted on  2016-09-26   18:44:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Pinguinite (#0)

"There are a few costs to consider. One is the hosting fee, which could run from $50-$200 per year, along with the domain name registration fee."

You mean.......... that JR..................... is MAKING MONEY off of those poor suckers !!!!!! :-)

"If we don’t adhere to the Constitution on matters as significant as presidential eligibility, then the Constitution ceases to be a meaningful document for guiding our nation."

ndcorup  posted on  2016-09-26   18:50:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: randge (#23)

LoL!!!

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2016-09-26   18:56:47 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: X-15 (#25)

Some of us cain't help it.

We're wired that way.

It’s All About The Supreme Court

randge  posted on  2016-09-26   19:14:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: ndcorup (#24)

Yep, the fleeceathon is up to 85 or 88K/quarter now, I think. Not a shabby income for his crew.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-09-26   19:38:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Lod (#27)

Not a shabby income for his crew.

Were you there on FR when we did the fund raising for the ads in the Washington Times????

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-26   19:49:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Pinguinite (#0)

I guess I'm addicted to the back and forth between and among the denizens and the wide open eclectic free-for-all on FF. I check in here often for hot stories. I'd miss the pieces that Tatarewicz posts, even the Sorcha stuff.

I'd pay a $10, $20, $50 membership for the privilege. I am that crazy.

It’s All About The Supreme Court

randge  posted on  2016-09-26   19:50:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Pinguinite (#12)

lol, knowing Crispy, probably not. ;)

he and I are Fb friends, so I can contact him there if needed, Neil.

christine  posted on  2016-09-26   19:58:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Pinguinite (#20)

you better believe she's getting the questions beforehand and I'm betting will have an earpiece too.

christine  posted on  2016-09-26   20:00:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Cynicom (#28)

I was there. Fundraising, and needing someone with a digital camera was how christine and I met back in the day.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-09-26   20:07:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Pinguinite, christine (#0)

Are there enough people here to make it worthwhile to continue the site, or are discussion forums like this one becoming obsolete as people turn to other forms of social media, like FB?

I wouldn't want to be stuck with maintenance and registrations or liability or any of that, but $20/yr sounds like a bargain.

My FB account is friended by co-workers, I'm not about to post the insane crap there that I do here! :)

" As a citizen, I would hesitate to see any political party outlawed on the basis of its political ideology. However, if it is proven that an organization is an agent of foreign power, or in any way not a legitimate political party -- and I think the government is capable of proving that -- then that is another matter." - Ronald Reagan to House Un-American Activities Committee, October 23, 1947

Dakmar  posted on  2016-09-26   21:07:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Dakmar (#33) (Edited)

My FB account is friended by co-workers, I'm not about to post the insane crap there that I do here!

So you don't want your co-workers to know what a nut you really are, is that it? ROTFLOL!

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2016-09-26   21:18:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: christine (#4)

There will be no busybody mods here. No need at all. We can just keep posting along as is until we all die off. That's the extent of the management style needed here., as far as I'm concerned.

"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28

Artisan  posted on  2016-09-26   21:59:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Artisan (#35)

There will be no busybody mods here. No need at all. We can just keep posting along as is until we all die off.

Well, okay but could we at least hang Turdle now?

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-26   22:14:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Artisan (#35)

agreed

christine  posted on  2016-09-26   23:20:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Pinguinite (#0)

I'm in. I don't comment much these days but still read a lot of posts here (and appreciate those posting). And, as has been pointed out, we may need to discuss future issues/problems coming down the pike soon to help each other out. I'll also support financially.

ratcat  posted on  2016-09-26   23:42:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: ndcorup, Pinquinite (#2)

As an Intermittent poster, but a daily reader, I read here for compiled news, as well as noting attitudes.

May I echo that sentiment. I too view this site every day – posting infrequently when I think I have a little something different to offer.

I like the political and health articles, and enjoy the music posts. I know of no other forum that publishes this mix with the freedom to comment.

Please keep it going – Thanks!

p.s. On the big sites (FB) our comments get lost in the volume - not good.

johnj  posted on  2016-09-27   0:28:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Dakmar (#33)

My FB account is friended by co-workers, I'm not about to post the insane crap there that I do here! :)

Exactly! It's best to keep your co-workers and work at a far distance from your personal life and opinions anyways. Your opinions and stance are nobody else's damn business unless you make it their business. You come home to get away from the work environment and have a brew and opine on some matter on some private blog which is nobody's damn business but your own. Besides that, I've had more intelligent conversations with people on this site and others than of those I ever come into contact with in the work environment. Seriously! I am around flaming morons in my work environment and it is always a relief to read such forums like this of people are that well-read and well-informed of what is going on not just in this country but concerning the world at large. And I know I am not alone when I say all this.

purplerose  posted on  2016-09-27   2:27:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: purplerose (#40) (Edited)

Seriously! I am around flaming morons in my work environment

LoL!!!!!! I'm glad you can get away from them when you visit here.

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2016-09-27   11:25:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: purplerose (#40)

Thanks for weighing in to support 4um's continued existence.

Screw the co-workers...er, forget the co-workers and come visit here.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-09-27   11:33:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Lod, X-15 (#42)

Thank you.

purplerose  posted on  2016-09-27   12:17:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: X-15, Lod (#41)

LoL!!!!!! I'm glad you can get away from them when you visit here.

I knew it.

Me living in a psych house is a bummer.

Cynicom  posted on  2016-09-27   13:10:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Pinguinite (#0)

I have not been on much due to a lot of my time being absorbed by other things. I am kind of busy preparing for what will happen after the election as are a lot of other folks who see nothing good happening.

If the blood queen wins, think Stalinesque purges. If Trump wins, protests, violence and martial law to bring order.

Either way I see nothing wrong with keeping 4um open or closing it down. It is entirely up to Christine and the rest of you

"Call Me Ishmael" -Ishmael, A character from the book "Moby Dick" 1851. "Call Me Fishmeal" -Osama Bin Laden, A character created by the CIA, and the world's Hide And Seek Champion 2001-2011. -Tommythemadartist

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2016-09-27   22:27:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#45)

Stay safe, and visit us when you can.

Your life matters.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-09-27   22:31:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Cynicom, christine (#36)

There will be no busybody mods here. No need at all. We can just keep posting along as is until we all die off.

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Unless The Lord has different plans, I plan on hanging around for at least two more decades.

Will 4UM still be here?

;>)

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2016-09-27   22:41:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#47)

Unless The Lord has different plans, I plan on hanging around for at least two more decades.

Will 4UM still be here?

If not, and I have advance notice, I can recommend two other forums to everybody here that have the same freedom in posting. They are flying beneath the radar more so than this forum :)

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2016-09-27   22:53:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: X-15 (#48)

If not, and I have advance notice, I can recommend two other forums to everybody here that have the same freedom in posting. They are flying beneath the radar more so than this forum :)

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How can a forum fly 'lower on the radar' than 4UM? ;>)

And, what are they?

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2016-09-27   22:57:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#49)

No, not now ;)

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“With the exception of Whites, the rule among the peoples of the world, whether residing in their homelands or settled in Western democracies, is ethnocentrism and moral particularism: they stick together and good means what is good for their ethnic group."
-Alex Kurtagic

X-15  posted on  2016-09-28   0:14:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Pinguinite (#0)

Thanks for the update and thanks to Christine for, if not welcoming me back, then letting me back on with a clean slate.

I lurk a few times a week...whack the piniata a few times every couple of months...hope 4um stays alive...

--Perfecting Obscurity Since 1958...

war  posted on  2016-09-29   7:40:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: purplerose (#40)

Gee. I thought you were one of our more sane contributors!!

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2016-10-11   12:53:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Horse, purplerose, 4 (#52)

Rose gets it. Wish that she posted more.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-10-11   15:01:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Lod, 4, all (#53)

Anyone believe that if Hillary is annointed as Soros has promised that sites like 4um will be allowed to operate ?


"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2016-10-11   15:52:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Rotara (#54)

If US doesn't re-take control of algore's interweb, there's no telling what will happen to it; no telling.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-10-11   16:01:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Lod (#55)

youtu.be/i2Zsoa9RUes


"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2016-10-11   18:33:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Lod, Rotara (#55)

I was hoping that after the economic collapse and the Nationwide Food Riots that the military would declare martial law and arrest the Bankers seizing their assets to fund Debt Cancellation.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2016-10-11   21:26:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Horse (#57)

Repudiating the debt, a la Iceland, would be much quicker and better, imo.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2016-10-11   21:46:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Horse (#57)

That would be nice. I bet they get vaporized somewhere to avoid the possibility.


"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2016-10-11   22:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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