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Title: Only a Counter-Coup Can Save American Democracy
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URL Source: http://engforum.pravda.ru/index.php ... p-can-save-american-democracy/
Published: Dec 17, 2016
Author: Paul Craig Roberts
Post Date: 2016-12-19 05:20:51 by Tatarewicz
Keywords: None
Views: 635
Comments: 9

PMF...

The CIA has long engineered coups in other countries. Now we are approaching at breakneck speed a CIA coup in the USA.

When the presstitute media first published unverifired, unsourced leaks attributed to unnamed CIA officials, both the FBI and the Director of Homeland Security said that they did not embrace the accusation that Trump’s election was a result of Russian interference in the US presidential election.

Now suddenly we have a report from the Washington Post, a rag whose integrity is in doubt and a mainstay of anti-Trump propaganda suspected of being a CIA asset, that the FBI and Homeland Security are in agreement with the anonymous leaks to the presstitutes:

“FBI Director James B. Comey and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. are in agreement with a CIA assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election in part to help Donald Trump win the White House, officials disclosed Friday, as President Obama issued a public warning to Moscow that it could face retaliation.

New revelations about Comey’s position could put to rest suggestions by some lawmakers that the CIA and the FBI weren’t on the same page on Russian President Vladi­mir Putin’s intentions.”

“The positions of Comey and Clapper were revealed in a message that CIA Director John Brennan sent to the agency’s workforce Friday. ‘Earlier this week, I met separately with FBI [Director] James Comey and DNI Jim Clapper, and there is strong consensus among us on the scope, nature, and intent of Russian interference in our presidential election,’ Brennan said, according to U.S. officials who have seen the message.”

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Note, that this claim comes from the CIA. It has not been verified at this time of writing by the FBI and Homeland Security. Indeed, please note that the Washington Post, which is hyping this story of intelligence agency consensus, reports:

“The CIA and the FBI declined to comment on Brennan’s message or on the classified intelligence assessment that CIA officials shared with members of the Senate Intelligence Committee earlier this month, setting off a political firestorm.” In other words, the CIA might be putting words in the mouths of the other intelligence officials.

Note also that Hillary says that Putin interfered against her because he has a grudge against her for her interference in his reelection by fomenting protests against him with the Western-financed Russian NGOs. If what Hillary claims is correct, then any Russian interference, for which proof remains absent, was directed against Hillary in order to settle a score and has nothing to do with any Russian influence over Trump or 200 Internet sites as falsely and maliciously reported by the Washington Post.

All the CIA officials making claims of Russian interference, according to the Washington Post, continue to speak “on the condition of anonymity.”

So we have a coup against the president-elect based solely on unverified, unsourced, anonymous assertions made by the public knows not who.

Rep. Davin Nunes, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, which has oversight over the CIA, has said that neither he nor the committee have seen any evidence from the CIA in support of the claims he reads in the media. He has asked the agency to brief the Intelligence Committee on the alleged evidence but has had no response.

According to the Washington Post, “Nunes said: ‘We have not received any information from Intelligence Community (IC) agencies indicating that they have developed new assessments on this issue. I am alarmed that supposedly new information continues to leak to the media but has not been provided to Congress.’”

Rep. Nunes statement makes it completely clear that the CIA is using the presstitute media to launch a coup against president-elect Trump.

CIA director John Brennan’s audacity suggests that he expects the coup to succeed. Otherwise, he is dead meat along with Bezos, The Washington Post and the rest of the presstitute media.

Trump’s critics on the left and right and among the liberals and progressives have stupidly played into the CIA’s hands. I tried to warn them not to judge Trump by the past associations of his appointees as no change was possible without strong knowledgeable appointees. Those who romanticize Bernie Sanders are out to lunch.

A person as weak as Sanders proved to be, completely collapsing in the face of his stolen presidential nomination by Hillary, could not possibly have prevailed over the powerful oligarchic groups that rule America. When we finally get a president-elect strong enough to bring change from the top down, the leftwing-liberal-progressive elements join the CIA in denouncing him!

If the generals Trump has announced as his appointees have been too marginalized within the military by the neoconservatives to be able to provide US military protection against the CIA’s coup against the president-elect, do not expect Donald Trump to be inaugurated as President of the United States on January 20.

We are at the point that only a countercoup against the CIA and the Hillary forces can save American democracy.

High treason is alive and well in the United States, and it is operating against American democracy and president-elect Trump.

www.paulcraig...-craig-roberts/

Edited by Mario Milano,

Cosmored

I wish we could force the media to let Ralph Nader speak to the people.

www.youtube....ery=ralph nader

The people we have to overthrow are the ones who only let the democratic or republican candidate speak on TV.

Tatarewicz: Funny but on target.

Ivan88

"If the generals Trump has announced as his appointees have been too marginalized within the military by the neoconservatives to be able to provide US military protection against the CIA’s coup against the president-elect, do not expect Donald Trump to be inaugurated as President of the United States on January 20"

Who is protecting the Electors?

The meeting of the electors takes place on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December after the presidential election. The electors meet in their respective states, where they cast their votes for President and Vice President on separate ballots.

Who's protecting these parts: Your state’s electors’ votes are recorded on a “Certificate of Vote,” which is prepared at the meeting by the electors. Your state’s Certificates of Votes are sent to the Congress and the National Archives as part of the official records of the presidential election.

Each state’s electoral votes are counted in a joint session of Congress on the 6th of January in the year following the meeting of the electors. Members of the House and Senate meet in the House chamber to conduct the official tally of electoral votes.

The Vice President, as President of the Senate, presides over the count and announces the results of the vote. The President of the Senate then declares which persons, if any, have been elected President and Vice President of the United States.

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#1. To: Tatarewicz (#0) (Edited)

we have a coup against the president-elect based solely on unverified, unsourced, anonymous assertions made by the public knows not who.

Rep. Davin Nunes, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, which has oversight over the CIA, has said that neither he nor the committee have seen any evidence from the CIA in support of the claims he reads in the media. He has asked the agency to brief the Intelligence Committee on the alleged evidence but has had no response.

According to the Washington Post, “Nunes said: ‘We have not received any information from Intelligence Community (IC) agencies indicating that they have developed new assessments on this issue. I am alarmed that supposedly new information continues to leak to the media but has not been provided to Congress.’”

At bigstory.ap.org 9/22/16: Merely 2 Top Democrats say they've concluded that Russia behind hacks [Sen. Dianne Feinstein and Rep. Adam Schiff, both Dems from California]

By DEB RIECHMANN
Sep. 22, 2016 6:27 PM EDT

WASHINGTON (AP) — The top Democrats on the House and Senate intelligence committees said Thursday that they have concluded that Russian intelligence agencies are making a "serious and concerted effort" to influence the U.S. presidential election.

A joint statement issued by Sen. Dianne Feinstein and Rep. Adam Schiff goes farther than the Obama administration in pointing a finger at Moscow for recent hacking of political computer systems.

Federal officials are investigating cyberattacks at the Democratic National Committee and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. Election data systems in at least two states also have been breached.

"Based on briefings we have received, we have concluded that the Russian intelligence agencies are making a serious and concerted effort to influence the U.S. election," the two lawmakers from California said. "At the least, this effort is intended to sow doubt about the security of our election and may well be intended to influence the outcomes of the election. We can see no other rationale for the behavior of the Russians."

They called on Russian President Vladimir Putin to order a halt to the political hacking, which Moscow has denied.

"We believe that orders for the Russian intelligence agencies to conduct such actions could come only from very senior levels of the Russian government," they said.

The U.S. hasn't formally blamed Russia for the hack of Democratic emails, but the White House has publicly noted that outside investigators have determined that Russia is to blame. Determining Russia's involvement in the public disclosure of the emails is seen as a prerequisite to any sanctions the U.S. might levy on Russia in response to the hacks.

Earlier this month, Lisa Monaco, President Barack Obama's homeland security adviser, said it would be difficult for someone to hack into America's voting systems in a way that could alter the outcome of an election. She said election systems by and large are not hooked up to the internet and are diffusely operated by state and local governments.

Asked whether the U.S. might respond to the hacking, Monaco said "Stay tuned."

Lawmakers from both parties have called for a U.S. response to the hacking.

"When we have an adversary who so brazenly strikes at the heart of our democratic process, I think that indicates how low they believe the cost of that behavior is going to be," Sen. Deb Fischer, R-Neb., said Thursday at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing where she questioned top military officials about the recent cyberattacks.


CAMPAIGN 2016: Feinstein and Schiff Statement on Russian Hacking - Full joint-statement at lawfareblog.com

By Quinta Jurecic Thursday, September 22, 2016, 5:22 PM

Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Representative Adam Schiff (D-CA), the ranking Democratic members of the Senate and House Intelligence Committees, have released the following statement on Russian attempts to influence the 2016 presidential election. The statement is also available here. [Jenna McLaughlin https://twitter.com/JennaMC_Laugh/status/779053453377167360 Surveillance/natsec reporter for @theintercept. Was @MotherJones.]


From page 1 of Google Search results to verify:

Feinstein, Schiff Statement on Russian Hacking - Senator Dianne ...
https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases? ID...
Sep 22, 2016 - Feinstein, Schiff Statement on Russian Hacking ... vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, and Congressman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) ... “We believe that orders for the Russian intelligence agencies to conduct such ...

Top Dems: Russians Trying to Influence U.S. Election - NBC News
www.nbcnews.com/.../top-dems-russians-trying-influence-u-s-election-n...
Sep 22, 2016 - Schiff: Russians Trying to Interfere in Political Affairs 1:34 ... Russian intelligence agencies are trying to interfere with the U.S. presidential election, the top Democrats on the ... Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) ... Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) ...

Russian intelligence agencies behind US election hacks, lawmakers ...
www.cnn.com/.../election-2016-russian-hacking-intelligence-democrats/
Sep 22, 2016 - Russian intelligence agencies behind US election hacks, lawmakers say ... Dianne Feinstein and California Rep. Adam Schiff, the ranking members on the Senate and House Intelligence Committees, respectively, released a ...

Russia Trying to Influence U.S. Election: Feinstein and Schiff ...
www.bloomberg.com/.../russia-trying-to-influence-u-s-election-feinstein-...
Sep 22, 2016 - Dianne Feinstein and Rep. Adam Schiff. "We believe that orders for the Russian intelligence agencies to conduct such actions could come only ...

Key lawmakers accuse Russia of campaign to disrupt U.S. election ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../afc9fc80-810e-11e6-b002-307601806...
Sep 22, 2016 - Adam Schiff, D-Calif., ranking member on the House Intelligence Committee speaks to the media on Capitol Hill in Washington. ... Dianne Feinstein and Rep. ... “We believe that orders for the Russian intelligence agencies to ...

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2016-12-19   7:37:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

When we finally get a president-elect strong enough to bring change from the top down, the leftwing-liberal-progressive elements join the CIA in denouncing him!

This statement from a former assistant secretary of the treasury (that did nothing about the FED BANK) is just more bullshit being heaped upon the last 100 years of bullshit. Mr. Roberts wants you to believe a Messiah in the form of a strong President will save our asses from the onslaught of the mad dogs invading our homes, propagandizing our children and foisting war upon the people of earth.

Maybe our ancestors 50 years ago had a plausible excuse for not noticing the stealth being used by the elites in politics and business to control the population, but those of us that witnessed the destruction of 9-11 and the lies and utter bullshit fed to us by the lap dog media should know that one man isn't going to put a stop to our enemies in D.C.

Wake the fuck up and realize unless the PEOPLE rise up against these non-human freaks it is O.V.E.R. especially for our descendants. Constant banter over the last 15 years has done nothing to halt the ever encroaching FEDERAL GOVT and its owner the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK.

Resist.

Voting these days is condoning evil in the hopes of restoring good.

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2016-12-19   8:17:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: noone222 (#2)

America's salvation won't come from someone exiting Air Farce 1.

Only a deep and abiding faith in the King of Kings will effect change.

The Israelites of the prophet Habakuk's days, and 600 years later in the days of P.Pilate expected a Conquering King.

The liberation will not come of flesh and blood; liberation is by the Holy Spirit.


"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2016-12-19   8:58:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Rotara (#3)

To: noone222

America's salvation won't come from someone exiting Air Farce 1.

Only a deep and abiding faith in the King of Kings will effect change.

The liberation will not come of flesh and blood; liberation is by the Holy Spirit.

Right off I wouldn't claim full comprehension of the Biblical Texts or the the totality of the Almighty Creator. I likely have the same general concept as others do to a high degree.

That being said, I think the large majority of so-called Christians (especially the men) are hypocrites that think faith is a "thing" that they can possess without actually putting their faith into action (being lukewarm). If God wanted everyone to be a pussy he would have created only one sex.

The Israelites of the prophet Habakuk's days, and 600 years later in the days of P.Pilate expected a Conquering King.

The Israelites and the Pharisee class are and were two different animals. The Israelites were the Hebrews of the Old Testament. The Pharisee class were imposters that came back after the Babylonian captivity bringing with them the Synagogue and also tried to impose kaballah/talmudic doctrine (Traditions of men) upon those wishing to follow Christ.

I can't help feeling that financially supporting the FED murderers of babies (and millions of others) worldwide can be something anyone calling themselves Christian can do.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Voting these days is condoning evil in the hopes of restoring good.

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2016-12-19   9:44:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: noone222 (#4)

Amen Brother.


"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2016-12-19   9:51:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Rotara (#5)

Look man, I have a zillion questions about God that in all likelihood will not be answered for me in this life. We (calling ourselves Christian) are instructed to be "in" the world but not "of" the world. Sure enough we're here. The trick is to be here without participating in the general evils of the world usually committed by governments. (I mean we do enough wrong on our own without joining the cabal in their murderous greed and arrogance.

Anyway, my commentary is directed at those calling themselves Christian.

[God is always right and I am usually wrong !]

Voting these days is condoning evil in the hopes of restoring good.

Doug Scheidt

noone222  posted on  2016-12-19   10:01:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: noone222 (#6)

And then there's this:

“No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.”

‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬ bible.com/1/2ti.2.4.kjv


"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2016-12-19   10:09:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: All (#1) (Edited)

Chronologically:

1. August 18 2016 | Alert Number T-LD1004-TT | Targeting Activity Against State Board of Election Systems
[Precautionary report that mentions June, July and August info received from a source on alleged intrusion activities but no mention of Russia/Russian(s)]

2. September 19, 2016 | H. Rept. 114-756 - CYBER PREPAREDNESS ACT OF 2016
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-report/114th-congress/house- report/756/1
+ PDF: https://www.congress.gov/114/crpt/hrpt756/CRPT- 114hrpt756.pdf

Report Type: House Report
Accompanies: H.R.5459
Committees: Homeland Security

September 19, 2016.--Committed to the Committee of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed

Mr. McCaul, from the Committee on Homeland Security, submitted the following

R E P O R T

[To accompany H.R. 5459]

[Including cost estimate of the Congressional Budget Office]

The Committee on Homeland Security, to whom was referred the bill (H.R. 5459) to amend the Homeland Security Act of 2002 to enhance preparedness and response capabilities for cyber attacks, bolster the dissemination of homeland security information related to cyber threats, and for other purposes, having considered the same, reports favorably thereon with an amendment and recommends that the bill as amended do pass.

3. SEPTEMBER 20, 2016 | Intelligence Research Development | Video | C-SPAN.org [1 hour video]

Intelligence Research and Development: Intelligence experts talked about challenges facing U.S. intelligence research and development and the private companies that conduct such work. Afterward, the president of George Washington University delivered remarks on his institution’s involvement with the intelligence community.

“Disruptive Technologies and Digital Dilemmas” was the second panel of the day-long third annual conference on “The Ethos and Profession of Intelligence” held at George Washington University with the theme “Looking over the Horizon.”

4. September 22, 2016 | Reference Post #1 above in this thread on the faith-based allegations against Russia by just 2 California Democrats: Sen. Dianne Feinstein and Rep. Adam Schiff.

5. SEPTEMBER 27, 2016 | Jeh Johnson James Comey Nicholas Rasmussen | Video | C-SPAN.org [3 hour video]

Homeland Security Threats Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson, FBI Director James Comey and National Counterrorism Center Director Nicholas Rasmussen testified at a hearing on threats with which their agencies are concerned. Issues addressed included ongoing efforts to track and counter ISIS,* cybersecurity, preventing and countering violent extremism, border security, the investigation into former Secretary of State’s Hillary Clinton email servers, resettlement of Syrian refugees, and improving data collection related to the use of deadly force by law enforcement across the country.

* The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), or DAISH/DAESH in Arabic is a militant group that has called itself the Islamic State.

6. SEPTEMBER 28, 2016 | FBI Director James Comey Testifies Oversight | Video | C-SPAN.org [4 hour video]

FBI Oversight: Federal Bureau of Investigation Director James Comey testified at an oversight hearing of the FBI’s operations. Members focused their questions primarily on the FBI’s handling of the investigation of 2016 Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton’s use of private email servers while serving as secretary of state, and Mr. Comey’s ultimate decision not to recommend charges against her. He defended the quality of the investigation, the integrity of the people involved, and the commitment of bureau agents and employees in the pursuit of justice.

Partial Transcription of a short detour: D-GA Rep. Hank Johnson Jr. to FBI Dir. Comey, starting at 1:34:44 for 5 minutes:

"The attention of the American public is increasingly focused on the security of this nation's election infrastructure. On [Monday Thursday, Sep 22], the ranking members of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, Senator Dianne Feinstein [D-CA] and Congressman Adam Schiff [D-CA], issued a joint statement setting forth the current status of this investigation. It said this, and I quote: 'Based on briefings we have received, we have concluded that the Russian Intelligence agencies are making a serious and concerted effort to influence the US election.' They work closely with Intelligence community individuals to be able to put that statement out to the American public. Director Comey, I don't want to ask you about any classified information but is their statement accurate?"

Comey answered that he can't comment on that in this forum but it is being investigated to try to understand exactly what mischief the Russians might be up to in connection with our political institutions and the elections system more broadly ...

And at 1:36:30, D-GA Rep. Hank Johnson Jr. again to FBI Dir. Comey:

"[In June My note: On August 18, 2016; Ref. #1 of the chronological outline in this post], the FBI Cyber Division issued a Flash Alert to State officials warning that hackers were attempting to penetrate their election systems. The title of the Flash Alert was, and I quote: 'Targeting Activity Against State Board of Election Systems'. The alert disclosed that the FBI is currently investigating cyber attacks against at least two States. Laterin June, the FBI warned officials in Arizona about Russian [?] assaults on their election system. And hackers also attacked the election system in Illinois, where they were able to download the data of at least 200,000 or up to 200,000 voters. In August, the Department of Homeland Security convened a conference call warning State election officials and offering to provide Federal cyber security experts to help scan for vulnerabilities. And yesterday it was announced that at least 18 States have already requested election cyber security help to defend their election systems. Director Comey, since these Flash alerts and warnings went out over this Summer, I'd appreciate you letting us know whether or not there have been any additional attacks on State operations or databases since [June then].

Comey answered at 1:37:57 that there were a variety of scanning activities and some attempted intrusions at voter registration databases [reported?] and have urged the States to get the best info they can from DHS for securing their systems from bad actors poking around. Also commented that it is very different than the vote system by the United States because it's so clunky and dispersed. No assertion made there that pointed at Russia.

7. October is: National Cyber Security Awareness Month - Wikipedia

(NCSAM) is observed each October since its inception in 2004 in the United States of America.[1][2] Sponsored by the National Cyber Security Division (NCSD) within the Department of Homeland Security and the National Cyber Security Alliance (NCSA, a non-profit organization), National Cyber Security Awareness Month encourages vigilance and protection by all computer users.

8. The FBI page on October 3, 2016 for National Cyber Security Awareness Month speaks generally of state-sponsored hackers, global cyber syndicates, and the most prolific botnets. Also says that it works along with domestic and international partners and the private sector. Sounds rather like fusion centers and such.

9. December 12, 2016 at rushlimbaugh.com: This Is How Fake News Becomes the Narrative: "Russia Hacked the Election" - Transcript and audio at the site

10. Attorney General Lynch: No ‘Technical Interference’ From Russia During The Election - Matt Vespa, Posted: Dec 15, 2016 6:30 PM

Well, here’s another “people have said” update regarding Russia’s allegedly hacking our election to help Trump. There’s still a lot of rumor, speculation, and unsubstantiated reports about Russia’s role in the 2016 election ... Attorney General Loretta Lynch weighed in on the hacking allegations with Politico and found that there was no “technical interference” during the election, with Real Clear Politics noting that the integrity of our election system was not in danger

LORETTA LYNCH: "the Department of Homeland Security was involved in reaching out to every state to make sure that they had access to every resource they needed to protect the state electoral system as well. ... Fortunately we didn’t see the sort of technical interference that I know people had concerns about, also, in terms of voting machines and the like. But a lot of education and training went on about that, and a significant number of states did reach out to DHS and talk to them about these issues."

Should we have prolonged discussion about how to beef up cyber security? Of course, in fact, cyber warfare is one area where the Chinese are way ahead of us.

11. 4.5 minute YouTube commentary by Gary Franchi, published on Dec 18, 2016: BREAKING: JUSTICE DEPT. DROPS ELECTION HACKING BOMBSHELL… NO MATERIAL INTERFERENCE FROM RUSSIA

In addition to the Left's maneuvers to overturn the election and the Electoral College, this all seems to have had about as much to do with promoting a cyber security Cold War and fundings for it; as well as derailing Trump's detente effort to put America on a war-footing with Russia instead:

12. December 1, 2016 flashback | White House: Obama supports registering women for military draft - usatoday.com

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2016-12-19   12:50:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

Sen. Dianne Feinstein and Rep. Adam Schiff, both Dems from California]

Both Jews.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2016-12-20   2:54:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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