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Title: Obama Pushes Last-Minute Rule FORCING States to Fund Planned Parenthood
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URL Source: http://louderwithcrowder.com/obama-state-fund-planned-parenthood/
Published: Dec 19, 2016
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Post Date: 2016-12-19 08:16:49 by HAPPY2BME-4UM
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The latest “achievement” to go down in Barack’s “legacy?” A rule conceived and passed in the eleventh hour which forces states to keep funneling money to abortionists…

The Obama administration has finalized a rule to stop states from withdrawing federal money from Planned Parenthood and other health clinics that provide abortions.

Under the rule, states are legally required to distribute federal funds… Republicans in Congress have repeatedly threatened to cut off Planned Parenthood clinics and in September dozens of conservative states backed proposals to defund the service, prompting the Obama administration to introduce the proposals.

The protections are due to take effect two days before Donald Trump takes office.

http://louderwithcrowder.com/obama-state-fund-planned-parenthood/
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#1. To: All (#0)
A question which feminism has yet to answer. Sure, these clinics receiving state funding aren’t new, but now states will be indefinitely locked into investing their (tax-payer funded) resources into abortion crap wagons (see ‘Safe and Rare?’ HUGE List of Abortion Clinic Health Violations Prove Otherwise…). So in short? Feminists want to force taxpayers to fund their abortions, but don’t want said taxpayers to voice dissenting opinions on the matter. Because not your body, not your business… Except when it comes to footing the bill.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
HAPPY2BME-4UM posted on 2016-12-19 8:18:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0)
The latest “achievement” to go down in Barack’s “legacy?” A rule conceived and passed in the eleventh hour which forces states to keep funneling money to abortionists…

Not so !!!!! The latest “achievement” to go down in Barack’s “legacy?” A rule conceived and passed in the eleventh hour which forces TAXPAYERS to keep funneling money to abortionists…
Come all ye so-called Christians and deny your part in murdering babies (and children around the world).
Quit your whining about being targeted by the criminal govt. and start resisting ! Every act to resist these tyrants is a step towards liberty.
Voting these days is condoning evil in the hopes of restoring good.
Doug Scheidt
noone222 posted on 2016-12-19 8:24:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0)
In other news, it has come to my attention that the State Republican Party of Oklahoma is LESS THAN WORTHLESS.

"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara posted on 2016-12-19 8:36:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: noone222 (#2)
nationalblackroberegiment.com/vision-and-mission/

Have you heard about this ?

"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara posted on 2016-12-19 8:38:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: Rotara (#4)
nationalblackroberegiment.com/vision-and-mission/
Have you heard about this ?

Not until now. I'll check it out !
Voting these days is condoning evil in the hopes of restoring good.
Doug Scheidt
noone222 posted on 2016-12-19 8:41:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: noone222 (#2)
Quit your whining about being targeted by the criminal govt. and start resisting ! Every act to resist these tyrants is a step towards liberty.

We were outvoted by millions, that want MORE government, not less.
Were it not for the electoral college, this country would have fallen from within.
Example...NYC went huge for Butch Clinton, an Arkansas hillbilly transplant. NYC is proud that over 50 per cent of their population is FOREIGN BORN.
Dont let CA and NY secede from the Union, throw the scum bastards out.

Cynicom posted on 2016-12-19 8:44:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: All (#4)
"It was Sunday morning early in the year 1776. In the church where Pastor Muhlenberg preached, it was a regular service for his congregation, but a quite different affair for Muhlenberg himself. Muhlenberg's text for the day was Ecclesiastes 3 where it explains, 'To everything there is a season, a time for every purpose under heaven; a time to be born, and a time to die, a time to plant, and a time to pluck what is planted...'"
"Coming to the end of his sermon, Peter Muhlenberg turned to his congregation and said, 'In the language of the holy writ, there was a time for all things, a time to preach and a time to pray, but those times have passed away.' As those assembled looked on, Pastor Muhlenberg declared, 'There is a time to fight, and that time is now coming!' Muhlenberg then proceeded to remove his robes revealing, to the shock of his congregation, a military uniform."
"Marching to the back of the church he declared, 'Who among you is with me?' On that day 300 men from his church stood up and joined Peter Muhlenberg. They eventually became the 8th Virginia Brigade fighting for liberty."
"Frederick Muhlenberg, Peter's brother, was against Peter's level of involvement in the war. Peter responded to Frederick writing, 'I am a Clergyman it is true, but I am a member of the Society as well as the poorest Layman, and my Liberty is as dear to me as any man, shall I then sit still and enjoy myself at Home when the best Blood of the Covenant is spilling? ...So far am I from thinking that I act wrong, I am convinced it is my duty to do so and duly I owe to God and my country."
www.heritageofthefoundingfather s.com/article11.html
The above is one story of one pastor who chose the path of Liberty and Freedom...and that Liberty and Freedom has been graciously bestowed by our Heavenly Father to each of us. It has been freely offered, freely sacrificed for by Christ Jesus, and it is the duty of each of us to acknowledge that precious gift and to not give it away lightly. There were hundreds of such men and women during that awful epoch of our American History who chose the path that Pastor Muhlenberg took. There were many such brave souls who opted to sacrifice all for God, Family, and Country during that period of the Birth of our Nation and during other such battles as these, before and after this Revolution. It was and is the birth pains of an Empire that the founders of this Nation and those who descended after bear. Our Nation is not so very old....it has not been long since it was first conceived and birthed. Indeed, we are still being birthed...but now in a very different way. What is being birthed is not what the Creator envisioned or created, nor what our forefathers and mothers hoped to realize. It is not at all what they bled and died for.
Each of us have inherited in some form the genetic material of these people who came seeking Liberty and Justice; these people who bore up under severe hardships from their countries of origin, despotic rule that came in the form of societal structure....religious, political, familial, educational.
The pastors of that day, and their congregations, were living out of what had come over 100 years prior...where religion and politics were woven into the same fabric. There was no separation between the two spheres. This Revolution against Britain would culminate in a totally different awareness and way of life than had ever been lived on this planet; and may never be seen again in the present state of things. What remained was a hope and a promise....a Republic. And this Republic was created out of the awareness that the people who then inhabited this country were a moral and upright people; people who were fashioned from 2000 years of formation out of the womb of salvation that only Christ Jesus can offer. A people who were honed by thousands of years before Christ walked the Earth by way of the Israelites who had been scattered and dispersed many times in their history. These folks who now inhabited this New Jerusalem (this New Eden that Christopher Columbus saw), were living out what they saw as a life and a country that was fashioned entirely by their Creator. The Constitution (Part 1--the Declaration of Independence, and part 2), was and is a covenant between the people of America and their Heavenly Father. It was written for a Christian people....who are fully able to internally govern themselves. Thus, the meaning of a Republic that was inspired by God's Word and spells out the mission of God's children and Christ's ambassadors on Earth.
This site is dedicated to all those Men and Women of God who have taken up their covenant oaths to defend true Liberty, Freedom, and Justice.

"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara posted on 2016-12-19 8:48:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: Cynicom (#6)
We
We were outvoted by millions, that want MORE government, not less.
Were it not for the electoral college, this country would have fallen from within.

That word is used to place blame on others without taking responsibility for ones own actions.
I'm sorry, "we" are individuals and have individual responsibilities. There are a million (actually 330 million) excuses for the behavior of the U.S. Govt and they are US.
Voting these days is condoning evil in the hopes of restoring good.
Doug Scheidt
noone222 posted on 2016-12-19 9:49:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: noone222 (#8)
I'm sorry, "we" are individuals and have individual responsibilities

Term "WE" is all inclusive, while term "YOU" is exclusive.
Individuals in our country are NOT allowed exclusive rights.
Either way, I am OLDE, tired, will be checking out soon so, to hell with it.

Cynicom posted on 2016-12-19 11:05:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: Cynicom (#9)
Either way, I am OLDE, tired, will be checking out soon so, to hell with it.

Far be it from me to drag this conversation out to infinity !
Love ya, Cyni !
Voting these days is condoning evil in the hopes of restoring good.
Doug Scheidt
noone222 posted on 2016-12-19 11:28:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: Rotara (#7)
#7
The pastors of that day, and their congregations, were living out of what had come over 100 years prior...where religion and politics were woven into the same fabric. There was no separation between the two spheres.

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My observations tell me that God deals with nations the same way He does with people, only on a national scale.
God is no respecter of persons, nor is he a respecter of nations.
God blesses and rewards nations led by righteous men, and conversely curses and punishes nations led by evil, self-worshiping men. Nations rise and fall at the will and timing of God.
There may not be a single righteous (by God's standard of 'righteousness') nation left on the face of the earth. If there is one, I do not know of it.
It is safe to say though, that the USA is definitely no longer a righteous nation.

Proverbs 14:34
Righteousness exalts a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
HAPPY2BME-4UM posted on 2016-12-19 11:49:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: Cynicom (#6)
Example...NYC went huge for Butch Clinton, an Arkansas hillbilly transplant. NYC is proud that over 50 per cent of their population is FOREIGN BORN.

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Hillary is and always has been a new yorker.
The Arkies now want to remove the Clinton name from the Little Rock airport.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
HAPPY2BME-4UM posted on 2016-12-19 11:52:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#12)
I left NYC in 1960 because of the human scum factor.

Cynicom posted on 2016-12-19 12:02:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: Cynicom (#13)
I left NYC in 1960 because of the human scum factor.

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That probably saved your life.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
HAPPY2BME-4UM posted on 2016-12-19 12:16:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#11) (Edited)
It is safe to say though, that the USA is definitely no longer a righteous nation.
Proverbs 14:34
Righteousness exalts a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.

i see it a little differently:
"...To justify the destruction of the USA, the Zionists must now portray America as “Babylon the Great” collapsing under the wrath of God, per Revelation 18. Surely, “Ichabod,” which means “the glory has departed,” could apply the United States in its degenerate condition today, yet the propagandists never mention that the Jewish-owned and controlled entertainment media has led the United States down the broad road to moral destruction.

Moreover, the Zionist cabal must incite the people of the world against Americans so that when their beloved country falls, the world will rejoice, never suspecting the truth. Which is why the ubiquitous propaganda mills on the Internet continuously revile the USA as “Babylon” and even gloat over its imminent demise...."
DEATH OF THE PHOENIX

FINAL ACT FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
http://watch.pair.com/death-phoenix.html

This echoes Micah 4:11: Now many nations [can also be translated "heathens"] have assembled against you, that say, "Let her be defiled, and let our eye gloat over Zion."
http://biblehub.com/nasb/micah/4-11.htm

To me this is just another clue that even America's troubles reveal her to be the New Jerusalem, having been founded with a cross and a dedication to Christ and the gospel in 1607 at Cape Henry, Virginia. [Psalm 2:6, Micah 4:1-2]. See Matthew 13 and Luke 13. The Kingdom of God aka the Kingdom of Heaven, has wheat and tares in it. Christ's Kingdom is Now not in the future, although it comes not by observation: http://biblehub.com/matthew/12-28.htm / http://biblehub.com/luke/17-20.htm . Now about that part where Christ says "my kingdom is not of this 'world'", see http://www.hisholychurch.net/news/articles/world.php . It appears to be down at the moment but I have it saved. Excerpt:
..Which Greek word was used by Jesus, according to John 18:36?
Was it the word aeon? ‘Aion’14 means an unbroken age, and is far more often translated into variations of the word age or time.
Another Greek word translated world is ‘oikoumene,’15 which originally meant "the portion of the earth inhabited by the Greeks, in distinction from the lands of the barbarians." It commonly has to do with inhabited places including Israel. It was your national home place.
The word ‘ge’16 is also translated world, once, but is translated earth about 188 times, land 42 times, ground 18, and country, twice. This is the closest word to meaning planet earth that you will find in the text. If you were to say “I am from the United States,” you would not be using ‘ge’. If you said you went all over the continent or even the whole planet and have seen its mountains and valleys, deserts and rich farmland, then the word ‘ge’ might be appropriate. But ‘ge’ is not the word used to demonstrate Jesus' statement about His Kingdom not being of this world.
The word 'world' in John 18:36 is translated from the word ‘kosmos.’ Some might think that kosmos is like the modern word cosmos, and therefore means the whole universe, but that was not its common use at the time. Kosmos in Greek had the sense of an orderly arrangement, and the Romans were the New World Order arrangement of their day. From that word the Greeks produced other forms, such as the Homeric kosmeo, used in reference to the act of “marshaling troops.”17
From the Greek and Roman point of view, the “... encroachment of one opposite on another was spoken of as injustice, (adikia) and the due observance of a balance between them as justice (dikê). The later word kosmos is based on this notion, too. It meant originally the discipline of an army, and next the ordered constitution of a state.”18
The word kosmos is defined in Strong's Concordance as an “orderly arrangement” and in another Greek concordance as "an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government."19
Was Jesus simply telling Pilate, who was sitting in the judgment seat, “My Kingdom is not a part of your constitution, order, or government and you have no jurisdiction to judge Me or My Kingdom”?....
Christ was setting up HIS NEW WORLD ORDER: http://biblehub.com/revelation/21-5.htm . In the parable of the fig tree, Christ told the fig tree [representing the old Israel nation in all its apostasy], "let no fruit grow on thee FOREVER". http://biblehub.com/matthew/21-19.htm In John 15:16 he told the disciples "your fruit shall remain": http://biblehub.com/john/15-16.htm . [John 15:15-16 btw, is the fulfillment of Isaiah 65:15-16: http://biblehub.com/isaiah/65-15.htm ]. That hasn't "sat well" with the Old World Order [the Roman Empire, ridden by the Old Jerusalem, the Whore of Babylon http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/whore.html ], so they have been trying to overturn it with THEIR "New" World Order, which is really just a rehash of the Old, and that is what you are seeing in America...the ongoing attempt to overthrow the cross with satan, protected and promoted by CorpUSA: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/Federal%20Reserve%20Scam/satan_on_our_dollar.htm .
But what saith the Scripture?
Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.
THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS
...Jesus only was the perfect man, as to the world "there is none righteous-not one!" (Romans 3:10).
Yet, is not this Tower Jehovah Tsidkenu?
Yes! In that day, that day of suffering, in that day when darkness covered the earth, iniquity was purged, "an end was made of sin, God reconciled the world unto Himself, and everlasting righteousness was brought in!" (Daniel 9:24); even "the righteousness of God, which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe, for there is no difference" (Romans 3:22). He is the Lord our Righteous, and through Him, and by Him all who will can come, can claim to enter in, for by that one offering "He hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14)...
http://www.blueletterbible.org/c...st06_jehovah_tsidkenu.cfm

There are still a lot of Christians [the wheat] in this country, http://biblehub.com/matthew/13-30.htm , whose righteousness is of God, "for Abraham BELIEVED God, and it was accounted to him for RIGHTEOUSNESS", and because Christians BELIEVE Christ, they, and America, planted by and for His people [ http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41327/print/ , http://biblehub.com/isaiah/49-22.htm ] are beloved. Then see Micah 4 again:

9Now why dost thou cry out aloud? is there no king in thee? is thy counseller perished? for pangs have taken thee as a woman in travail.
10Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon [metaphor, but see the top of my post: To justify the destruction of the USA, the Zionists must now portray America as “Babylon the Great”; even THAT is another clue that we are the Zion of prophecy!]; there shalt thou be delivered; there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.
11Now also many nations are gathered against thee, that say, Let her be defiled, and let our eye look upon Zion.
12But they know not the thoughts of the LORD, neither understand they his counsel: for he shall gather them as the sheaves [tares] into the floor.
13Arise and thresh, O daughter of Zion: for I will make thine horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass: and thou shalt beat in pieces many people: and I will consecrate their gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth. http://biblehub.com/kjv/micah/4.htm

http://biblehub.com/kjv/micah/4.htm
Returning to the title of your post...
Obama Pushes Last-Minute Rule FORCING States to Fund Planned Parenthood
See Isaiah 10:24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian ["Assyria", the rod of God's anger. BTW, the Assyrian king had a 6-pointed star on his signet ring seal, just like CorpUSA which also has a 6-pointed star in its Great Seal]: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt. http://biblehub.com/isaiah/10-24.htm

What happened in Egypt? Pharaoh took the Israelites' straw and told them to build the same number of bricks. [ http://biblehub.com/exodus/5-18.htm / full story here: http://biblehub.com/kjv/exodus/5.htm ]. CorpUSA has taken our gold, our silver, and our jobs, and told us to pay more and more taxes for the privilege. Pharaoh was also telling the midwives to commit infanticide: http://biblehub.com/exodus/1-16.htm / full story here: http://biblehub.com/kjv/exodus/1.htm
Continuing with Isaiah 10
25For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and mine anger in their destruction. 26And the LORD of hosts shall stir up a scourge for him according to the slaughter of Midian at the rock of Oreb: and as his rod was upon the sea, so shall he lift it up after the manner of Egypt. 27And it shall come to pass in that day, that his burden shall be taken away from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of the anointing. http://biblehub.com/kjv/isaiah/10.htm

Don't lose hope. He has brought them here to thresh.
2 Corinthians 10:4(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) 5Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; 6And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
http://biblehub.com/kjv/2_corinthians/10.htm

I know of one country church that has about a thousand small white crosses planted in its yard, to signify the number of babies that are murdered every day in America by abortionists and stamped approved by this satanic government. Obama is acting like Pharaoh, "raising the staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt".
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2016-12-20 1:17:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0) (Edited)
The latest “achievement” to go down in Barack’s “legacy?” A rule conceived and passed in the eleventh hour which forces states to keep funneling money to abortionists…
The Obama administration has finalized a rule to stop states from withdrawing federal money from Planned Parenthood and other health clinics that provide abortions.
Under the rule, states are legally required to distribute federal funds… Republicans in Congress have repeatedly threatened to cut off Planned Parenthood clinics and in September dozens of conservative states backed proposals to defund the service, prompting the Obama administration to introduce the proposals.
The protections are due to take effect two days before Donald Trump takes office.
http://louderwithcrowder.com/obama-state-fund-planned-parenthood/

That source references independent.co.uk ... barack-obama-abortion-funding-planned-parenthood ...
The independent.co.uk site reports:

The protections are due to take effect two days before Donald Trump takes office.
Under the rule, states are legally required to distribute federal funds for services related to contraception, fertility, pregnancy, sexually transmitted infections and breast and cervical cancer screening — regardless of whether they also perform abortions.
Federal rules already prevent the healthcare provider from spending any of the government funding – around $70m (£59m) – on abortions.
in September dozens of conservative states backed proposals to defund the service, prompting the Obama administration to introduce the proposals.
Mr Trump has previously praised Planned Parenthood, acknowledging that it “helps millions and millions of women” who go to it for health services such as breast cancer screening.

However, Planned Parenthood does not provide mammogram screenings, as many mistakenly presume. It refers its clients elsewhere for those. Reference: Post #1 of 4um Title: The moral terrorism of Planned Parenthood
That being said, the Democrat Party Platform was changed for the 2016 Presidential election to target the Hyde Amendment for repeal, which “prohibits the use of federal funds for any health benefits coverage that includes abortion.” Reference: Rep. Smith: Most Obamacare Plans Violate Hyde Amendment - cnsnews.com November 21, 2014
Clinton campaigned for the Hyde Amendment to be repealed; to use taxpayer funded Medicaid to pay for abortions. This is a 2001 example of US taxpayers being coerced to provide abortion funding internationally too:
This is Google's cache of: http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/
human-life-and-dignity/abortion/support-for-the-hyde-smith-motion.cfm.
It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on Dec 1, 2016 09:39:41 GMT.
Excerpts:

United States Conference of Catholic Bishops
Letter to Congress on the Foreign Relations Authorization Act (H.R. 1646)
May 7, 2001
Dear Member of Congress:
The Foreign Relations Authorization Act for fiscal years 2002 and 2003 (H.R. 1646) will soon come to the House floor. I urge you to support Representative Henry Hyde and Chris Smith's motion to strike the Lee amendment from this bill.
The effect of the Hyde/Smith motion will be to retain the "Mexico City" policy reinstated by President Bush. The Lee amendment reverses the policy, by allowing non-governmental organizations (NGOs) to receive U.S. funds so long as any harmful "medical" practices they promote cannot be shown to violate the host country's law or U.S. federal law.
Our foreign aid programs should not subsidize organizations that perform and promote abortions in developing nations under the guise of "family planning." Poor women in developing nations need adequate education, food, housing, and medicine for themselves and their children, so they can lead lives of full human dignity. The Mexico City policy prevents the United States from exporting and encouraging a culture of death as a supposed answer to these needs. I urge you to reject the Lee amendment. Instead, our government should respond directly to the real needs of poor women through a comprehensive poverty alleviation program and greatly increased development assistance.

Ironically, the Catholic sector has recently been compounding the econcomic duress of American females and families by clamoring for America's distressed economy to absorb not only multitudes of illegal migrants but waves of other dependents under the misattributed moniker of "refugees". Unemployment, under-employment, insufficient wages, Minimum Wage hikes which increase prices while obliterating middle class workers by withholding comparable Cost of Living increases for them, the Visa importations of foreign laborers into our workforce -- all such conditions (et al.) of Poverty/Impoverishment here are very large factors in American females resorting to abortion because they don't think they can adequately provide for a child financially. Catholic promotions of "humanitarian" foreign influxes are contradicting and undermining their stance against Abortion. Ergo, I'm imploring them, as well as the Pope, to rethink these issues and refrain from inadvertently facilitating the scourge of Abortion so.
Will try to append some more sources when I can about the complexities, nationally and internationally, of this topic's rule maneuver.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2016-12-22 15:38:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: All (#16) (Edited)
Prenatal care is reproductive health care. That includes sonograms but Planned Parenthood doesn't really provide those, other than as a preview for the Abortionists to extract fetuses/fetal body parts/organs/tissues most advantageously/marketably for its "procurers" and the like. STD testing, contraceptive measures to prevent pregnancy and mammomgrams are categorized as reproductive health care but Planned Parenthood doesn't provide mammograms -- just referrals elsewhere. Elective Abortion except to save the life of the mother is not reproductive health care. This is evidenced but facts like Planned Parenthood and other Abortion "providers" not concerning themselves with assistance for Post-Abortive after-effects to help prevent suicides from remorse. They don't even want to be required to operate in buildings up to code standards. Nor do they want to be required to provide doctors for the procedure with hospital admitting qualifications in case of emergency: Doctors Work to Regroup after Texas Abortion Law Struck Down - NBC News, JUN 27 2016
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
GreyLmist posted on 2016-12-22 17:41:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: All (#17)
Doctors Work to Regroup after Texas Abortion Law Struck Down - NBC News, JUN 27 2016

More recently in Ohio, the "Heartbeat Law" was passed to prevent abortions when a fetal heartbeat is detectable (at or near six weeks) but it was struck down/vetoed by .Gov Kasich. This is an example of the ethics issues being sidelined and a veto spun as "fiscal responsibility" by Guest Columnist, David S. Cohen:
If he signs heartbeat bill, Ohio Gov. Kasich might as well write the big check he'll soon owe the pro-choice side: David S. Cohen (Opinion), cleveland.com December 09, 2016
Annotated excerpts:

the bill .. will be a direct transfer of money from the state of Ohio to the pro-choice movement. If this is what the citizens of Ohio want, then Gov. John Kasich should go ahead and sign it . . . and then start writing the check immediately afterwards. But, if Ohio citizens want fiscal responsibility and would rather not throw money away unnecessarily, he should veto the bill.
When someone challenges a law in federal court as a violation of constitutional rights and wins, federal law requires the state that passed that law to pay the winning party's costs and attorneys fees. For a case like this one, this can add up to a substantial sum of money.
For instance, this summer, the U.S. Supreme Court found that two abortion restrictions in Texas were unconstitutional. Because the state lost the case, Texas is now on the hook for about $4.5 million.
Three years ago, North Dakota passed a law very similar to the bill that is now on Gov. Kasich's desk awaiting signature. After losing in the lower courts and being denied review by the Supreme Court, the state had to pay almost $250,000 to the lawyers for the lone abortion clinic in the state.

Ohio Gov. Kasich signs Pain-Capable bill, vetoes “Heartbeat” bill
By Dave Andrusko December 13, 2016
Excerpts:

Ohio Gov. John Kasich today signed SB 127, called the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act [to prevent abortions at 20 weeks/5 months]. His signature raises to 15 the number of states that protect unborn babies capable of experiencing pain from the excruciating agony of abortion.
Such a law is already on the books in 14 states-- Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, West Virginia, and Wisconsin.
Gov. Kasich vetoed H.B. 493, commonly known as the Heartbeat Bill. H.B. 493 would ban abortions once the baby’s heartbeat is detected.
According to the Associated Press

Kasich said the heartbeat provision would have been struck down based on federal court rulings on similar measures elsewhere. Enacting the law would also invite challenges to current Ohio abortion prohibitions and would mean costly litigation.
“The State of Ohio will be the losing party in that lawsuit and, as the losing party, the State of Ohio will be forced to pay hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to cover the legal fees for the pro-choice activists’ lawyers,” [clairvoyant?] Kasich said.
“Therefore, this veto is in the public interest,” [he] said.

With regard to the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, Public radio station WVXU quoted former Ohio Supreme Court Justice and current Republican house member Bob Cupp, who said there are no questions about its constitutionality. “In my judgment, it is not improbable that the U.S. Supreme Court will, in fact, uphold the 20 week limitations on abortions once it gets the case.”

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GreyLmist posted on 2016-12-22 19:02:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: All (#16) (Edited)
the Democrat Party Platform was changed for the 2016 Presidential election to target the Hyde Amendment for repeal, ... Clinton campaigned for the Hyde Amendment to be repealed;

Democrats, especially, have been opposing any State or Federal restrictions at all to Abortion-on-Demand (monetarily or otherwise); even a humane Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act or a late-term/3rd trimester Abortion restriction. They insist on American taxpayer and Medicaid funding -- US foreign aid provisionings, also -- for Abortion-on-Demand centers, here and worldwide -- all the way up to the pregnancy due date and the birth-process.
Democratic Platform Topples [Party] Consensus on Abortion - dailysignal.com July 25, 2016 | [Obamacare] How [Some] Democrats [Informed or Not] Came to [Vote for] Taxpayer-Funded Abortions

One-third of Democrats, or about 23 million, are pro-life, according to Democrats for Life. ... Now, the Democrats’ party platform is calling for repeal of the [Hyde Amendment] measure ... Kristen Day, executive director for Democrats for Life of America, told The Daily Signal ...: “Most Americans don’t want public funding of abortion at home or abroad.”

On December 19, 2016, More Than 100 Members of Congress Sign a Letter Asking Trump to Repeal the Hyde Amendment - nymag.com December 20, 2016
Excerpts:

more than 100 members of Congress signed a letter asking Trump to repeal the Hyde Amendment and to abolish other restrictions on abortion care and coverage proposed in his 2018 budget request.
Trump has also promised to ... sign into [Federal] law the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, which would ban abortion after 20 weeks.

politico.com copy of their letter to Trump

How the Democratic platform betrays millions of the party faithful - LA Times
Kristen Day and Charles Camosy July 25, 2016
Excerpts:

The abortion plank in the 2016 Democratic platform effectively marginalizes the voices of 21 million pro-life Democrats.
Most significantly, the platform calls for the repeal of the Hyde and Helms amendments, which prevent taxpayer funds from being used to pay for abortions.
A commitment to religious liberty in the context of abortion, which was included in the 2012 platform, has been removed.
U.S. abortion law (which permits abortion for any reason until viability, about 22 to 23 weeks) already makes many progressive countries in Europe (which set their threshold for abortion at 12 to 13 weeks) look like pro-life radicals.
In the 2008 presidential primary campaign, candidate Hillary Clinton said abortion should be safe, legal and rare. ... Yet her 2016 platform team has approved provisions that make access to abortion crucial to the well-being of every single person on the planet.
The Democratic Party's abortion stances have already caused many to leave the party, and many more will drop out because of the platform wording. The percentage of extreme abortion rights advocates is increasing in the party, but only because the total number of Democrats has shrunk to its lowest level since the Hoover administration.
Abortion is also among the reasons Democrats lost their majority in the House of Representatives. In the key states of Ohio and Pennsylvania, for example, Democrats held the majority of seats until Republicans were able to associate the Affordable Care Act with “the largest expansion of abortion since Roe v. Wade.” (In some states, Obamacare covers abortion; no states can use federal subsidies or tax credits to pay for the procedure.)
Sixty-four Democrats voted for the antiabortion Stupak amendment to the Affordable Care Act; 88% of those seats went to Republicans after Democrats were tied to ~~the assertion that~~ Obamacare funded abortion.

Obama Bars States From Denying Federal Money to Planned Parenthood - The New York Times
By JACKIE CALMES DEC. 14, 2016
Excerpts:

the Obama administration issued a final rule on Wednesday to bar states from withholding federal family-planning funds from Planned Parenthood affiliates and other health clinics that provide abortions. The measure takes effect two days before the Jan. 20 inauguration of Donald J. Trump.
The rule was proposed three months ago, when many Democrats assumed the next president would be Hillary Clinton; she presumably would have promoted the rule’s completion if it were still pending.
The new rule says that states cannot withhold money from potential recipients for any reason unrelated to their ability to provide the family-planning services.
The 30-page rule was posted on Wednesday morning on the website of the Federal Register, the government’s official journal. It will not take effect, however, until Jan. 18, 30 days after the rule appears in the paper version of the Register.

Obama Administration Moves To Protect Planned Parenthood's Federal Funding - npr.org December 14, 2016

The Department of Health and Human Services finalized a regulation Wednesday that says states that award federally funded grants for women's health programs can't discriminate against Planned Parenthood. The regulation doesn't name Planned Parenthood, but it was clear the rule was written with the organization in mind.
Planned Parenthood gets more than $500 million a year from the federal government. About 75 percent of that comes from Medicaid, for medical care provided to patients with low incomes.
The new HHS rule reinforces federal law that says the agency cannot discriminate against qualified organizations in granting federal funds.
Still, the rule could be overturned in 2017 when President-elect Donald Trump takes office. Federal lawmakers are allowed to roll back regulations under the Congressional Review Act. Or they could go through a formal rule-making process to reverse Wednesday's action.

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GreyLmist posted on 2016-12-22 21:58:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: All (#19)
The Abortion Policy Hillary Clinton Keeps Talking About, Explained - thinkprogress.org Jan 12, 2016

The candidate’s renewed focus on the Hyde Amendment comes just a few days after Planned Parenthood announced it will back Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary due to her record on women’s health issues. The organization plans to spend at least $20 million during this election cycle.

Hillary Clinton: You Must Pay For Abortions Or Else - thefederalist.com AUGUST 24, 2016

In past years, the Democratic platform vaguely referenced public funding, saying access to abortion should be legally permitted without regard to a woman’s “ability to pay.” The new platform approved last month in Philadelphia, however, is explicit: “We will continue to oppose—and seek to overturn—federal and state laws and policies that impede a woman’s access to abortion, including by repealing the Hyde Amendment.”
Notice that the Democratic platform states the party’s opposition not just to the Hyde Amendment, but to “federal and state laws and policies that impede a woman’s access to abortion.” The list of laws and policies the platform covers transcends Hyde and is enormous.
It would include the Helms Amendment, an even older policy dating from 1973 that prevents U.S. foreign assistance from paying for abortions performed overseas (which number in the millions). It would also include the Smith Amendment, which bars health insurance plans that cover elective abortion from participating in the Federal Employee Health Benefits program. And the Dornan Amendment, which covers congressionally appropriated funds for the District of Columbia.
That’s not to mention state abortion limits, and even laws and policies that have nothing to do with funding but only address the most basic health and safety standards for abortion facilities or even informed consent.

Hillary Clinton Vows to Repeal Hyde Amendment and Force Americans to Fund Abortions - lifenews.com SEP 30, 2016

Taxpayer-funding of abortion is not popular, even among Democrats and those who identify as pro-choice. Unfortunately, few of the major news networks have covered Clinton and the Democratic Party’s radical new shift to push taxpayer-funded abortions. Earlier this week, News Busters reported ABC, CBS and NBC did not report on the Hyde Amendment once this election year.

The Hyde Amendment Has Saved 2 Million Lives. Democrats Want To Kill It - thefederalist.com/
By Arina Grossu
SEPTEMBER 30, 2016
Today America celebrates 40 years of the Hyde Amendment, and most Americans still support its effect: preventing tax dollars from paying for abortions.

On September 30 America celebrates 40 years of the Hyde Amendment, which prevents federal funding for abortion. As a result of this law, more than 2 million Americans are alive today.
The Hyde Amendment has been renewed every year since and signed into law by both Republican and Democrat presidents. In 1980, the Supreme Court upheld the Hyde Amendment in the 5-4 Harris v. McRae landmark decision.
removing the Hyde Amendment would increase abortion by roughly 25 percent.
Americans Don’t Want to Pay for Abortions The Hyde Amendment enjoys popular support from a strong majority of Americans. A Marist poll published in July found that 62 percent of Americans oppose taxpayer funding of abortion, including 63 percent of women, 45 percent of those who say they are “pro-choice,” and 44 percent of Democrats.
Despite the positive impact and bipartisan support this law has had, Hillary Clinton has promised to make repealing the Hyde Amendment a key priority if she becomes president. This year’s Democratic Party platform for the first time ever called for its repeal.
To protect unborn children, the Hyde Amendment needs to be made permanent and be applied across the government, including to Obamacare. Congress must enact the No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act (H.R. 7, S. 582) to codify this important, life-saving law. Roe v. Wade is a terrible and unjust court ruling pitted against the rights of unborn babies that unfortunately made abortion legal. However, Americans should not also have to pay for killing these babies. The Supreme Court ruled as such in 1980.

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GreyLmist posted on 2016-12-22 23:48:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: All (#20) (Edited)
Hillary Clinton: Unborn No Rights. Elections Abortion Referendum. Religious Beliefs Must Be Changed -- 1.5 minute YouTube, Published on Apr 3, 2016
WASHINGTON, D.C., March 31, 2016 (LifeSiteNews) – Excerpts

Clinton has said that abortion could be restricted only “at the very end of the third trimester” and, as a U.S. senator, she voted against the partial birth abortion ban.
This election, she has called for a repeal of the Hyde Amendment, signed by President Jimmy Carter, which prevents U.S. taxpayers from funding abortion in most cases. Her position aligns with the Democratic Party platform, which officially calls for taxpayer-funded abortions throughout all nine months of pregnancy.

Reference: Hillary Clinton: ‘Deep-Seated Cultural Codes, Religious Beliefs…Have to Be Changed’ -- theblaze.com, April 24, 2015 [longer video of that speech there; 20+ minutes]

Delivering the keynote address at the 2015 Women in the World Summit in New York Ci ty on Thursday, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton asserted that “deep-seated cultural codes, religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed” so that women can have access to “reproductive health care.”

Noting again (as at Post #17 above) that Abortions are not "reproductive health care."
Religious freedom is being subverted. From the comments at theblaze.com:

"another liberal is telling us our Christian beliefs need to change because it interferes with their agenda."
"Wait... are you talking about forcing churches to pay for birth control?"
"This is an international women's conference. Some of those laws and cultural traditions she's talking about aren't Christian."
"Hope she's telling this to ISLAM too. But we all know she won't since they support her financially and she does their bidding."
"Nothing new here. Hillary, once again, is simply articulating the Godless collective tenets of humanism – she’s only reciting the Humanist Manifesto: 'The time has come for widespread recognition of the radical changes in religious beliefs throughout the modern world. The time is past for mere revision of traditional attitudes. Science and economic change have disrupted the old beliefs. Religions the world over are under the necessity of coming to terms with new conditions created by a vastly increased knowledge and experience. In every field of human activity, the vital movement is now in the direction of a candid and explicit humanism… To establish such a religion... is a responsibility which rests upon this generation. We therefore affirm…FIRST: Religious humanists regard the universe as self-existing and not created… The distinction between the sacred and the secular can no longer be maintained… … existing acquisitive and profit-motivated society has shown itself to be inadequate and that a radical change in methods, controls, and motives must be instituted…Humanists demand a shared life in a shared world… Man is at last becoming aware that he alone is responsible for the realization of the world of his dreams, that he has within himself the power for its achievement'.
http://www.americanhumanist.org/Humanism/Humanist_Manifesto_I"
"This is about the WAR ON CHRISTIANITY all dressed up as another social issue. The left will never attack any other faith. It [is] all about Christians and we are their target. DO NOT get side tracked by who is saying the words because it is the message of the whole progressive left and they are feeding the hatred."
"When conservatives state facts, Liberals call them hateful, biased, and uncaring. When liberals like Clinton don’t bother to support their comments with any facts, Liberals call them inclusive and caring. Thus, it isn’t conservatives that liberals oppose. It is facts."
"So, we live in a Country where everyone, including 'illegal aliens' (yes, I said it) are able to give birth in a hospital and receive everything under the sun (including pre-natal care). All this is already funded by our beloved taxpayers. Of course, the taxpayers need to buy insurance and f[oo]t the bill, but let's not quibble over details. Then Hillary concocts this ... to make people feel like there is a problem?"
"Clinton is using nebulous, pot-stirring liberal-leading language constructs like this: '… far too many women are still denied critical access to reproductive health care and safe child birth…' - which she does not prove with specifics as in ‘how many women?’ and ‘where are those women; in the USA?’"
"Notice it’s always us (Christians, conservatives, etc) that have to change? It’s never liberals. It’s never them that could be wrong. These people are all about control, force and coercion."
"Whenever a liberal says, 'we need reproductive health care' they ALWAYS mean two things, free birth control and free, on demand, abortion" [billed to taxpayers who are otherwise ordered to keep themselves and government regulators out of their way.]
"Hillary Clinton supports the right of thirteen-year-old girls to have abortions without parental consent, yet she forbade thirteen-year-old Chelsea to pierce her ears and enrolled her in a school that would not distribute condoms to minors. liberalism in the end forces its adherents to become hypocrites. They adopt one pose in public, but when it comes to what matters most in their own lives—their property, their privacy, and their children—they jettison their liberal principles and embrace conservative ones. - Peter Schweizer Do as I say, Not as I do"
"Now I did attend a liberal inferior high school so correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't 'reproductive rights' mean to actually reproduce and keep not [abort] your baby?"
"they will fight between themselves but right now their goal is too end conservative christain values. [Their] GOD is government[;] they cannot tolerate any other religion."

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GreyLmist posted on 2016-12-23 5:38:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: GreyLmist (#20) (Edited)
Americans Don’t Want to Pay for Abortions The Hyde Amendment enjoys popular support from a strong majority of Americans. A Marist poll published in July found that 62 percent of Americans oppose taxpayer funding of abortion, including 63 percent of women, 45 percent of those who say they are “pro-choice,” and 44 percent of Democrats.
Despite the positive impact and bipartisan support this law has had, Hillary Clinton has promised to make repealing the Hyde Amendment a key priority if she becomes president. This year’s Democratic Party platform for the first time ever called for its repeal.
To protect unborn children, the Hyde Amendment needs to be made permanent and be applied across the government, including to Obamacare. Congress must enact the No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act (H.R. 7, S. 582) to codify this important, life-saving law.

The people are alleged to also be the government. Christians are alleged to be against funding "abortion" according to the poll mentioned. The notion that the people can rely upon the murderous criminals in D.C. to stop murdering is insanity and I think these so-called Christians know it but are not true believers but pretenders without a backbone.
I think the Bible describes the situation when it states: the salt has lost its savor. Real Christians wouldn't fund 99% of D.C.'s bullshit. Real Christians would quit whining and stop waiting for the deviants in D.C. to do what real Christians should be doing. And that is stop funding the FEDS.
Voting these days is condoning evil in the hopes of restoring good.
Doug Scheidt
noone222 posted on 2016-12-23 6:30:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: All (#20) (Edited)
The Abortion Policy Hillary Clinton Keeps Talking About, Explained - thinkprogress.org Jan 12, 2016

The candidate’s renewed focus on the Hyde Amendment comes just a few days after Planned Parenthood announced it will back Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary due to her record on women’s health issues. The organization plans to spend at least $20 million during this election cycle.

Clinton: 'I Think We Should Do Everything We Can To Repeal The Hyde Amendment' -- 4 minute YouTube
Published on Jan 12, 2016 by Tea Partier

Hillary Clinton, endorsed by both Planned Parenthood and NARAL, said on Monday she supports repeal of the 1976 Hyde Amendment, which bars federal funding for abortion in most cases. It was the second time in two days that she's called for its repeal. ... Clinton first called for repeal of the Hyde Amendment on Sunday, Jan. 8, as she accepted Planned Parenthood's endorsement at a rally in New Hampshire. ...

Clinton Refuses Limits On Abortion; Face The Nation; 2-7-2016 -- 2.5 minute YouTube

... Senator Marco Rubio has recently said - accurately - that Clinton supports legal access to abortion up until the expected date of birth.

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GreyLmist posted on 2016-12-23 6:36:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: noone222 (#22) (Edited)
I think the Bible describes the situation when it states: the salt has lost its savor. Real Christians wouldn't fund 99% of D.C.'s bullshit. Real Christians would quit whining and stop waiting for the deviants in D.C. to do what real Christians should be doing. And that is stop funding the FEDS.

Well, some Christians feel doctrinally obligated to render unto "Seizer" and likewise to Romans 13: Submission to Governing Authorities. Christians or not, it's mostly not permissable in this country for American adults to work "off the tax grid" -- because they're not illegal aliens, I guess. So, I'd rather not fault them much for being wary of risking unemployability, asset seizure, prison and whatnot. As a Christian, oughtn't you to be a bit more charitable towards them about that troubling situation? I suspect it's not like many have pondered the 2nd Amendment regarding well-trained Militias ... or even the establishing of a voluntary work-club project using an alternate currency system to ease their expenses and also reduce the levels of their extracted funds to D.C. : )
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GreyLmist posted on 2016-12-23 8:11:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: GreyLmist (#24)
As a Christian, oughtn't you to be a bit more charitable towards them about that troubling situation?

Honestly ? In the Bible, Peter said, we are to obey God's laws not man's law. I don't believe that means financing abortions by the nillions or funding bullshit wars that murder millions.
No, I think the charitable thing to do is call the hypocrites what they truly are. When one considers the death and suffering of 1st century Christians compared to what might be suffered by those refusing to fund a criminal government, the latter isn't even close.
If any group of so-called Christians is most responsible for the apathetic/hypocritical condition of modern day Christians it's the pulpit prostitutes that banter about nonsensical issues while Miley Cyrus sticks her tongue out at them. They should be calling their flocks out of supporting the tyrannical (actually demonic) D.C. Govt.
Truth is "we cannot serve two masters" !
Voting these days is condoning evil in the hopes of restoring good.
Doug Scheidt
noone222 posted on 2016-12-23 13:12:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: GreyLmist (#24)

For a real Christian (and I mean a Bible doer and not just a blowhard hypocrite) the above video explains perfectly why Christians must stop rationalizing about their jobs, health insurance, retirements and etc., because that is exactly what allows the never ending satanic oppression the hypocrites talk about but never actually resist it.
The good book says resist the devil and he shall flee !
Voting these days is condoning evil in the hopes of restoring good.
Doug Scheidt
noone222 posted on 2016-12-24 7:30:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: GreyLmist (#24)
wow! thank you for all the above information and links. am saving the page to go back and study when my computer is running more smoothly. keep up the good work, please, to save the children.
some Christians feel doctrinally obligated to render unto "Seizer" and likewise to Romans 13: Submission to Governing Authorities.
"Seizer"...that's funny!!
if you know any of those Christians, please save this website's content on Romans 13, and share it with them. this website has been under attack...it may still be for all i know...i think they are deemed "extremists" on the adl website...so please save. here's their 2-Minute Rebuttal to Romans 13. there are several good studies on the subject at this link:

The Two Minute Rebuttal
Romans 13
Let's say Apostle Paul was telling the Church, "Be subject to the secular government," which at that time was the Roman Empire. And he was also saying, "Rome is not a terror to good works, but to the evil. The Roman centurion does not swing his sword in vain. Therefore, do good and you shall have praise of the same."
I pose only one question, Why was Apostle Paul beheaded by a Roman Centurion if he was preaching, "Be subject to Rome"? The Roman government would have no cause to behead him.
On the other hand, if Paul was beheaded because he was an "evildoer," why is an "evildoer" writing in our Holy Book? We better purge him out of there. We better clean up the Holy Scriptures. We better remove Romans 13 because it was written by an "evildoer."
No, I don't believe for a minute that Paul was telling the Church to be subject to the Roman Empire. Nor do I believe Paul was an evildoer. Paul was beheaded for promoting a rival government. It has to be. The secular authorities killed him because he was establishing another government, the Kingdom of Heaven.
Paul would be a hypocrite if he were saying to obey the secular authorities in Romans 13. It is inconsistent with his other writings. In Romans 12, Paul tells us, "do not be conformed to this world" (Romans 12:2). Obeying the secular authorities certainly means conforming to the world. In 2 Corinthians, Chapter 6:14-17, Paul says, "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers, for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? . . . Come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you." We cannot cut our ties with the world and still be subject to them. "We ought to obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29).
What is the study of the Holy Bible from beginning to end? It is God's people rebelling against Him and seeking to be like the Kingdoms of this world. Again and again, they are brought into harsh slavery because of their disobedience. Chasing after the Kingdoms of this world leads to death. Only the Kingdom of Heaven is an everlasting government.
Christ's government is here right now. It is His government that every soul is to be subject to. Turn away from sin and come out from the governments of the world. "Be subject unto the higher powers within Ecclesia, within Christ's government." (See Hebrews 13:7 and 13:17).

http://romans13.embassyofheaven.com/2minute.php
here's something else to think about....
Jesus on paying "Seizer":
Mark 12:17 And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

http://biblehub.com/mark/12-17.htm
Psalm 14:1 A Psalm of David. The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein. [so where does that leave Seizer?]
http://biblehub.com/psalms/24-1.htm
The King of the Universe on whether His children should pay taxes to Seizer:
Matthew 17: 24And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute? 25He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers? 26Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.
http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/17.htm
John 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers:....
http://biblehub.com/john/10-8.htm
John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
http://biblehub.com/john/10-10.htm
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2016-12-24 10:55:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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