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Title: ‘WE’RE GOING TO HAVE INSURANCE FOR EVERYBODY’
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URL Source: http://www.infowars.com/were-going-to-have-insurance-for-everybody/
Published: Jan 16, 2017
Author: Daily Mail
Post Date: 2017-01-16 12:26:42 by Ada
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Comments: 36

Trump heralds GOP's Obamacare alternative as Rand Paul reveals it will focus on low-cost policies
President-elect Donald Trump has revealed the GOP’s plan to repeal and replace Obamacare will provide ‘insurance for everybody.’
Trump said the nearly-finished bill would include ‘lower numbers’ and ‘much lower deductibles’ but declined to reveal any specific details on Sunday, the Washington Post reports.
His comments come just days Republicans announced that they had taken the first steps in repealing the Affordable Care Act, which caused contention and concerns on whether repealing it would leave more than 11 million Americans uninsured.
Trump did not give specific details about the new bill, but said he plans to go after pharmaceutical companies and insist they negotiate directly with the government on Medicare and Medicaid health plans on lower costs. ‘We’re going to have insurance for everybody,’ he said.
‘There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it.
‘That’s not going to happen with us.’ Read more
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#1. To: Ada (#0)
Trump did not give specific details about the new bill,

What's the hold up? This was his major campaign issue and got him elected.
I'm interested to see what is delivered to the Murrican people and when.

Fred Mertz posted on 2017-01-16 12:44:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: Fred Mertz (#1)
What's the hold up?

Trump added that the bill is 'down to its final strokes' and he is waiting for his nominee for secretary of health and human services, Republican Tom Price, to be confirmed.
Congress is expected to address the issue in the upcoming weeks.
Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4123456/Donald-Trump-says-new-health-care-plan-insurance-access-everyone.html#ixzz4VxLVbvZD Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Ada posted on 2017-01-16 14:54:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: Ada (#2)
My first comment wasn't clear. I and millions would like to know the specifics of the alternatives that will be offered and how they'll be improvements.

Fred Mertz posted on 2017-01-16 16:13:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: Ada (#2)
health and human services

A few years ago I had this woman from HHS come to my apartment. She started asking about guns.
I told her, "There are no guns here. I don't own any guns. Why are you asking about guns?"
She said, "That shooting happened out near Denver."
I said, "Denver is a long way from here. And why are you coming HERE asking about guns?"
I got no satisfactory response. I wonder who dropped a dime on me? :-0
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2017-01-16 18:00:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: Fred Mertz (#3)
Its Price's duty to explain the nitty-gritty should he be confirmed.

Ada posted on 2017-01-16 20:37:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: Ada, Fred Mertz, BTP Holdings (#5)
Why Health Insurers Worry About Trump's HHS Pick, Tom Price - Forbes 01/04/2017
Now that Dr. Tom Price, a Republican congressman, has been picked by Donald Trump to be the next U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary, insurers fear an assault on narrow networks, reimbursement tied to outcomes and related value-based care models .
Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) meets Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.) in his office on Capitol Hill December 8, 2016 in Washington, DC. (Photo by Mark Wilson/Getty Images)
“Dr. Price understands that there is a critical need to reduce the administrative burden that has been placed on today’s physician–so they can focus on patient care–and he knows that we need to reduce the amount of control the federal government and big health insurance companies have on our healthcare system,” Dr. Steven Walsh, president of the Medical Association of Georgia, said in endorsing Price as HHS Secretary.
Like many doctor lobbies, Price wants the doctor in control and getting paid from insurers with fewer hurdles or questions asked .
Price and the Georgia doctors have been aggressively opposed to narrow networks. Insurers say they help them better manage quality by allowing good doctors in their health plans' preferred lists while keeping poorly performing providers out. But doctors say narrow networks are merely a way to control costs.
Price has been active in the Medical Association of Georgia, which has a lot of controversial stances insurers say would lead to higher costs.
Take legislation to allow doctors to collectively bargain with health insurance companies and balance billing, which Price has favored. Balance billing allows doctors to bill for what is beyond the insurer's or Medicare's reimbursement rate. Insurers see balance billing as "extra billing" akin to getting paid twice for the same work. Recommended by Forbes
America's Health Insurance Plans, which represents health plans, has analyses documenting patterns "of average billed charges submitted by out-of-network providers that far exceeded Medicare reimbursement for the same service performed in the same geographic area." The Forbes eBook On Obamacare Inside Obamacare: The Fix For America’s Ailing Health Care System explores the ways the Affordable Care Act will impact your health care.
Independent doctors who are considered self-employed are barred from collective bargaining, but Price and colleagues have supported this a long time, according to Medical Association of Georgia policies. Balance billing and collective bargaining have also been issues favored by delegates to the American Medical Association over the years. Price has been a delegate to the American Medical Association's House of Delegates from the Medical Association of Georgia since 1995, the AMA said.
Though the collective bargaining issue has been dead in Congress for a long time, some observers think Price could help resurrect it given his fellow Republicans control both Congress and the White House.

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs
Dakmar posted on 2017-01-16 21:22:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: Dakmar (#6)
Thanks.

Fred Mertz posted on 2017-01-16 21:38:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: Ada (#0)
does this mean that so called 'health insurance' will no longer be compulsory in the united states? if not, the whole lot of them can go F off., to put it nicely.
I've never had health insurance in my life, don't want it, don't need it. am not gonna get it.
people are brainwashed goons to pay for that overpriced garbage as if they are always sick or going to be sick..
how do they live that's so incorrect? I'm sick maybe once a year or two, and it usually mild bronchitis.
you know what I do?
pay the local doc $20 bucks cash and maybe an antibiotic if needed. 60 busks top, 50 bucks per year for ''medical care.'

lol

watching all this other garbage with hysterical people everywhere seriously looks like inmates in an asylum.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2017-01-16 21:47:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: Dakmar (#6)
Take legislation to allow doctors to collectively bargain with health insurance companies and balance billing, which Price has favored. Balance billing allows doctors to bill for what is beyond the insurer's or Medicare's reimbursement rate. Insurers see balance billing as "extra billing" akin to getting paid twice for the same work.

Balance billing allows the doctors to bill the patient above the "usual & customary charges", i.e., what the insurance company is willing to pay for a procedure, or treatment. The consumer will get taken to the cleaners if this goes through as it is not at all uncommon for doctors to charge three, four, five times, or more, the UCC rate.
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
Southern Style posted on 2017-01-16 21:54:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: Artisan (#8)
One of my friends is like you although he never goes to doctors.
From my understanding, when he files taxes he'll pay $650 penalty (I think) for not having health insurance.

Fred Mertz posted on 2017-01-16 21:55:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: Artisan (#8)
people are brainwashed goons to pay for that overpriced garbage as if they are always sick or going to be sick..

You're correct as long as you never get olde; then you may hum a different tune.
Never age, remain young and well.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2017-01-16 22:03:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: Fred Mertz (#10)
yeah. I recall very clearly that Bloomberg, forbes, cnn money all had articles stating that there was no 'teeth' in the Obamacare penalty and that people could 'structure' their taxes so that they will not have any refund due, so that the gov couldn't keep the penalty, and that they therefore wouldn't have to pay it and that there would be no irs liens, threats, etc.
however, try to find an accountant or enrolled agent who would do that for the customer. aint gonna happen.
so I hope all these politicians like trump and rand paul actually do what they say. I don't like the word 'replace.'

that's bullshit. the people did not want or need any thing replaced. they don't want compulsory insurance. either its compulsory or its not. if not, if he repeals it like he has said for the past 2 years, no one will pay a penalty in 2017. it will all be abolished.

I hope that's the case but am not holding my breath. he will have hell to pay from his former supporters if he does not repeal Obamacare like he said he would.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2017-01-16 22:06:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: Artisan (#8)
I've never had health insurance in my life, don't want it, don't need it. am not gonna get it.

Someday, though, you might have a serious illness and not have a way to pay for it out of savings. Going without health insurance is as risky as not going without fire insurance on your house or liability insurance on your car.
Few years back there was a story in our paper of a recent Ohio graduate who came to NYC to start her career. Alas, she came down with appendicitis. With no insurance the bill was for $17,000 which she did not have. Had to forego living in NY and go back to mama in Ohio.

Ada posted on 2017-01-17 6:40:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: Artisan (#8)
You are lucky the cost is so little. Right now is I did not have Medicaid I would be a lot poorer. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2017-01-17 6:51:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: Ada (#13)
go back to mama in Ohio

And I bet that was a costly move also. How did she pay for that and what kind of job in Ohio? ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2017-01-17 6:55:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: Fred Mertz (#10)
files taxes

That is his first mistake. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2017-01-17 6:58:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: Lod, ada, pinguinite (#11)
yes i understand that old people get sick, but it would still never be worth paying $1,000 a month for 30 years and to never eve use it, regardless of what might or might not happen in the future. that works out to $12,000 per year times 30 in the trash. $360,000.
How is that worth it? wouldn't you say better to invest that $$ and pay cash with the proceeds, IF you get 'sick'?

if it came to that id rather gift my estate away and make the state pick up the tab. yes I said it. F the state. I am a huge advocate of F the state, they F us our whole lives. and actually they'd still be coming out ahead in that arrangement.
What do y'all think?
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2017-01-17 14:11:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: Ada, lod, titorire, pinguinite, btp holdings (#13)
Alas, she came down with appendicitis. With no insurance the bill was for $17,000 which she did not have. Had to forego living in NY

here's the thing. if I went a year and a half without insurance, that would bequal $17,000 in my pocket that I didnt squander. i would say I'd use that to pay the 17k, but I happen to know that it does not actually cost anywhere near 17k to treat apendicitis, that is the medical cartel's false theft numbers. people actually have quite a bit of leeway in making cash arrangements with medical costs. I've seen people do it. they examined the bill & the hospital removed much of the bogus amount. my relative did this when they had their kid cash. the hospital was happy to accept their cash.
i'd love to know how much folks on this 4um shell out for "health insurance."
by the way I dont want you to misunderstand and think that i dont have money for insurance or that I don't believe in insurance. that's not the case at all. I have life insurance out the ass, for example . i strongly believe in the product . Ben Franklin sold it. and I have very high liability insurance limits on my business and auto.
I just don't want, need, or use health insurance. perhaps another underlying reason is that I dont believe in most of what the medical cartel calls "health care."
most of these bogus insane big pharma pills are toxic poison. chemo kills people, for example.
if I really needed something i could go to another country and pay cash. I've done that in several foreign countries. dental care for example is literally one tenth of the cost of what it is here. its all a scam. a racket. theft. trickery, fraud.
one time several years ago I needed a colonoscopy. I didn't have insurance. guess what? I paid about a grand cash. probably still overpriced but a much better proposal than throwing $1,000 in the trash month after month, for YEARS, and then still having to pay your deductible for the colonoscopy. I'm sorry but that is lunacy and I'd never do it.
I still came out WAY ahead.
if ever any apocolyptic scenario occurs I will be happy to post it here and eat my shoe. but like i already explained, smart people already know the legal says ways around that. of which there are plenty of legal ways which the state actually provides. I'm not talking about you all here. most people are just too damn dumb amd compliant to do the research.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2017-01-17 14:39:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: Artisan (#17)
Trust me, a hospital stay will burn 360K, or more, in one month.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2017-01-17 14:40:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: Lod (#19)
wow that's a lot.

I still would like to know whether or not Trump and these republicans who keep saying "replace" obamacare are going to keep health insurance compulsory in America. no one is being direct and honest about this.
Also, even though you are an advocate of buying health insurance, i assume that you are NOT for the gov forcing anyone to buy it. Correct?
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2017-01-17 15:13:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: Ada (#0)
Tramp, sorry Trump, from the very beginning said we must get rid of ACA and the government out of health care, now the SOB has changed his mind again, what little there is.

Darkwing posted on 2017-01-17 16:02:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: Artisan (#20)
Correct, I'm not for the coercion of any purchase nor the prohibition of any, either.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2017-01-17 17:15:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: Artisan, Lod (#22)
CONgress has the best pettifoggers and wordsmiths that money can buy. They will get the job done. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2017-01-17 18:16:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: Artisan (#18)
medical cartel

Did you know that cancer was cured in 1926?
The AMA suppressed the cure so doctors could make more money with costly and ineffective chemotherapy.
Facts are facts. I don't recall where I saw this info. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2017-01-17 18:39:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: Artisan (#18)
I hope that your life insurance is term-life, to cover a specific need for a specific period of time. Disability insurance and long-term care insurance are things that most of us will need more than death insurance, where the policyholder is betting X dollars a month that they will die and the insurance company is betting thousands of dollars a month that they won't.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2017-01-17 19:21:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: Ada (#0)
Obamacare And The Truth About The Income Tax
This steaming pile of socialism badly needs to be repealed. But like other federal mandates, the Obamacare mandate is limited, hinging on the use of federal privilege.

"...the Obamacare mandate and penalty do not apply to anyone with less than the exemption amount of "income"-- which is most of us. Like most federal mandates, the Obamacare mandate only applies to the minority of Americans making use of a federal privilege.
OF COURSE, THE ONLY AMERICANS WHO WILL BENEFIT FROM THIS FACT and be able to unilaterally opt out of the mandate without penalty are those who have learned the truth about the tax like those good folks in the CtC-educated community..."
Maybe YOU should become one of those good folks.
Maybe YOU should learn what you'll discover is pretty-much the most important thing any American can know-- even without regard to the "Obamacare" outrage of trying to treat everyone as a subordinate of the state able to be ordered to buy products for the benefit of favored political interests...."
"...So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom, those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon sleeping men.
-Voltarine de Cleyre
P. S. Everyone will find the following deeply-buried provision of Title 42 (unearthed by CtC Warrior Barry Sullivan) most interesting:
42 USC § 18115 - Freedom not to participate in Federal health insurance programs
No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs.
Source
(Pub. L. 111–148, title I, § 1555,Mar. 23, 2010, 124 Stat. 260.)
References in Text
This Act, referred to in text, is Pub. L. 111–148, Mar. 23, 2010, 124 Stat. 119, known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. For complete classification of this Act to the Code, see Short Title note set out under section 18001 of this title and Tables. ..."

http://losthorizons.com/Documents/ObamacareAndTheTax.htm
How You Become Liable For The "Income" Tax [and, hence, the Obamacare Tax]
http://howyoubecomeliable.com/

http://www.losthorizons.com/index.html
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2017-01-17 19:39:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: Lod (#25)
Disability insurance and long-term care insurance are things that most of us will need more than death insurance,

I agree that long term care insurance is a very good idea and a booming market (if Americans had the money to buy it) especially with the aging baby boomer generation. However, they understandably will not sell it to anyone who does not have "health coverage," upon their presumption that people will be more healthy and less likely to use it if they have health insurance.

do you agree with that presumption?
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2017-01-17 19:40:09 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: Artisan (#27) (Edited)
No, disability and long-term care policies are stand alone policies; at least in Texas. But since each state has their own insurance commission, check it out with an agent there to be sure.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2017-01-17 19:46:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#26)
Thank you for all your amazing research.
Is your computer situation now corrected?
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2017-01-17 19:59:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: Lod (#28)
yes I know that long term care policies are separate from health insurance policies. but no corporations will sell anyone a long term care policy if tbey do not have regular health insurance. it's standard business practice. otherwise everyone would buy long term care policies which are very cheap - especially if bought when young (much cheaper even than term life) and never get health coverage or take care of themself, and have the chumps pay the bill when they get sick.
I understand why the companies do this, and it makes sense. but since i don't have regular health insurance they don't sell LTC. (not that I want it anyway)
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2017-01-17 20:13:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: Artisan (#30)
If you don't want LTC, then don't bother researching it; but don't say that it cannot be purchased as a stand alone policy. The two are mutually independent, just as a life, or death, policy is.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2017-01-17 20:32:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: Lod (#29)
my computer is overloaded. i know it's crazy but i probably have a couple hundred tabs in one window. i usually just stumble along until it shuts down on me and after it reboots it's okay for awhile. i've been trying to get some of these windows down but i seem to fill it up again just as fast....not making a whole lot of progress. plan on getting a new one when things settle down here a little.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt posted on 2017-01-17 20:55:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#32)
Dang! 200 tabs is just insane; I thought that my 15 tabs in Firefox were a lot. I don't think that I could even see 200. Goodness.
Whatever works for you is all that matters...
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2017-01-17 21:25:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: Lod (#31)
Sigh I don't need to research because I know all about LTC, and health. There is nothing more to know. the corporations licensed to sell LTC simply do not sell that product to anyone who does not have regular health insurance. Its a fact. In already explained why, and their reason makes sense from their perspective. I also said I don't want or need it, I simply pointed out that a company will not sell one without the other. Does tbat mean they are the same policy? No. They are completely different products.
"Even to the death fight for truth, and the LORD your God will battle for you". Sirach 4:28
Artisan posted on 2017-01-17 21:40:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#32) (Edited)
computer problem

Right now I was told my machine has a hardware problem. Trouble is there is not a computer repair place near here.
I need to find out if it is possible to get my warranty renewed so it can be sent back to factory
Any sugesstions?
Right now I am using Android. My regular machine is HP 2268 series. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2017-01-18 4:49:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: Lod (#11)
Never age, remain young and well.

Yes, and don't ever have some texting ~~bitch~~ woman hit you head-on (like I had a choice). I hope you're well my friend. I'm not too good, but God or Satan don't seem to be ready for me.
The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. - Dr. Eldon Tyrell
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso posted on 2017-01-18 14:48:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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