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Title: Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister
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URL Source: https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30 ... -killed-his-8-year-old-sister/
Published: Jan 31, 2017
Author: Glenn Greenwald
Post Date: 2017-01-31 07:26:46 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 628
Comments: 48

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In 2010, President Obama directed the CIA to assassinate an American citizen in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki, despite the fact that he had never been charged with (let alone convicted of) any crime, and the agency successfully carried out that order a year later with a September, 2011 drone strike. While that assassination created widespread debate – the once-again-beloved ACLU sued Obama to restrain him from the assassination on the ground of due process and then, when that suit was dismissed, sued Obama again after the killing was carried out – another drone-killing carried out shortly thereafter was perhaps even more significant yet generated relatively little attention.

Two weeks after the killing of Awlaki, a separate CIA drone strike in Yemen killed his 16-year-old American-born son, Abdulrahman, along with the boy’s 17-year-old cousin and several other innocent Yemenis. The U.S. eventually claimed that the boy was not their target but merely “collateral damage.” Abdulrahman’s grief-stricken grandfather, Nasser al-Awlaki, urged the Washington Post “to visit a Facebook memorial page for Abdulrahman,” which explained: “Look at his pictures, his friends, and his hobbies His Facebook page shows a typical kid.”

Few events pulled the mask off Obama officials like this one. It highlighted how the Obama administration was ravaging Yemen, one of the world’s poorest countries: just weeks after he won the Nobel Prize, Obama used cluster bombs that killed 35 Yemeni women and children. Even Obama-supporting liberal comedians mocked the Obama DOJ’s arguments for why it had the right to execute Americans with no charges: “Due Process Just Means There’s A Process That You Do,” snarked Stephen Colbert. And a firestorm erupted when former Obama Press Secretary Robert Gibbs offered a sociopathic justification for killing the Colorado-born teenager, apparently blaming him for his own killing by saying he should have “had a more responsible father.”

The U.S. assault on Yemeni civilians not only continued but radically escalated over the next five years through the end of the Obama presidency, as the U.S. and the UK armed, supported and provide crucial assistance to their close ally Saudi Arabia as it devastated Yemen through a criminally reckless bombing campaign. Yemen now faces mass starvation, seemingly exacerbated, deliberately, by the US/UK-supported air attacks. Because of the west’s direct responsibility for these atrocities, they have received vanishingly little attention in the responsible countries.

In a hideous symbol of the bipartisan continuity of U.S. barbarism, Nasser al-Awlaki just lost another one of his young grandchildren to U.S. violence. On Sunday, the Navy’s SEAL Team 6, using armed Reaper drones for cover, carried out a commando raid on what it said was a compound harboring officials of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. A statement issued by President Trump lamented the death of an American service member and several others who were wounded, but made no mention of any civilian deaths. U.S. military officials initially denied any civilian deaths, and (therefore) the CNN report on the raid said nothing about any civilians being killed.

But reports from Yemen quickly surfaced that 30 people were killed, including 10 women and children. Among the dead: the 8-year-old granddaughter of Nasser al-Awlaki, Nawar, who was also the daughter of Anwar Awlaki.

As noted by my colleague Jeremy Scahill – who extensively interviewed the grandparents in Yemen for his book and film on Obama’s “Dirty Wars” – the girl was “was shot in the neck and killed,” bleeding to death over the course of two hours. “Why kill children?,” the grandfather asked. “This is the new (U.S.) administration – it’s very sad, a big crime.”

The New York Times yesterday reported that military officials had been planning and debating the raid for months under the Obama administration, but Obama officials decided to leave the choice to Trump. The new President personally authorized the attack last week. They claim that the “main target” of the raid “was computer materials inside the house that could contain clues about future terrorist plots.” The paper cited a Yemeni official saying that “at least eight women and seven children, ages 3 to 13, had been killed in the raid,” and that the attack also “severely damaged a school, a health facility and a mosque.”

As my colleague Matthew Cole reported in great detail just weeks ago, Navy Seal Team 6, for all its public glory, has a long history of “‘revenge ops,’ unjustified killings, mutilations, and other atrocities.” And Trump notoriously vowed during the campaign to target not only terrorists but also their families. All of that demands aggressive, independent inquiries into this operation.

Perhaps most tragic of all is that – just as was true in Iraq – Al Qaeda had very little presence in Yemen before the Obama administration began bombing and droning it and killing civilians, thus driving people into the arms of the militant group. As the late, young Yemeni writer Ibrahim Mothana told Congress in 2013:

Drone strikes are causing more and more Yemenis to hate America and join radical militants . . . Unfortunately, liberal voices in the United States are largely ignoring, if not condoning, civilian deaths and extrajudicial killings in Yemen.

During George W. Bush’s presidency, the rage would have been tremendous. But today there is little outcry, even though what is happening is in many ways an escalation of Mr. Bush’s policies. . . .

Defenders of human rights must speak out. America’s counterterrorism policy here is not only making Yemen less safe by strengthening support for A.Q.A.P. [al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula] but it could also ultimately endanger the United States and the entire world.

This is why it is crucial that – as urgent and valid protests erupt against Trump’s abuses – we not permit recent history to be whitewashed, or long-standing U.S. savagery to be deceitfully depicted as new Trumpian aberrations, or the War on Terror framework engendering these new assaults to be forgotten. Some current abuses are unique to Trump, but – as I detailed on Saturday – some are the decades-old by-product of a mindset and system of war and executive powers that all need uprooting. Obscuring these facts, or allowing those responsible to posture as opponents of all this, is not just misleading but counter-productive: much of this resides on an odious continuum and did not just appear out of nowhere.

It’s genuinely inspiring to see pervasive rage over the banning of visa-holders and refugees from countries like Yemen. But it’s also infuriating that the U.S. continues to massacre Yemeni civilians, both directly and through its tyrannical Saudi partners. That does not become less infuriating – Yemeni civilians are not less dead – because these policies and the war theories in which they are rooted began before the inauguration of Donald Trump. It’s not just Trump but this mentality and framework that needs vehement opposition.

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#8. To: Ada (#4)

"Navy Seal Team 6, for all its public glory, has a long history of “‘revenge ops,’ unjustified killings, mutilations, and other atrocities.”

Says who?

Other than fundie Muslims and their enablers,that is?

sneakypete  posted on  2017-01-31   19:50:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: sneakypete (#7)

It's called "self-defense". We either kill the people planning to kill us,or they WILL kill us.

They are in Yemen, not NYC, and not planning to kill us. We are killing them in support of the Saudis.

Ada  posted on  2017-01-31   19:52:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Ada (#9)

They are in Yemen, not NYC, and not planning to kill us.

You need to go back on your meds. Who the hell told you that crap,and why do you believe them?

You DO know there are things called airplanes and ships,and nobody has to remain in Yemen,right?

We are killing them in support of the Saudis.

Cool! Once we get through killing them,we need to start killing Saudi's.

You DO know that Islam declared war on us,right?

sneakypete  posted on  2017-01-31   19:54:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: sneakypete (#8)

Says who?

Have you heard of The Intercept? The Crimes of Seal Team 6

Ada  posted on  2017-01-31   19:57:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: sneakypete (#10)

You DO know that Islam declared war on us,right?

Of course they have not. Where did you get that idea?

Check the background on the Saudi war on Yemen--any side you want. Saudi installed a US puppet as head of the country and the people objected. US puppets are rarely popular. The rebels are currently being starved to death by the Saudis with out help and connivance

Ada  posted on  2017-01-31   20:04:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: sneakypete (#10)

Whatever side you favor in Yemen, the rebels are no danger to us. The secret behind the Yemen war We should not be there killing civilians.

Ada  posted on  2017-01-31   20:21:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Ada (#11)

Says who?

Have you heard of The Intercept? The Crimes of Seal Team 6

Have you heard of Batman and Robin?

Do you believe everything you read?

Did it ever occur to you there was an agenda behind that report,namely Anti-American and pro-Muslim?

sneakypete  posted on  2017-01-31   20:36:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Ada (#12)

You DO know that Islam declared war on us,right?

Of course they have not. Where did you get that idea?

You might want to look up the word "Jihad",although I am beginning to suspect you won't,or maybe even can't,understand it.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-01-31   20:38:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Ada (#13)

Whatever side you favor in Yemen, the rebels are no danger to us.

I don't favor any side in Yemen. It would suit me just fine if they all killed each other off.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-01-31   20:39:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: sneakypete (#15)

Jihad has nothing to do with the United States except that we got our ally, Pakistan, to encourage the Afghanis to oppose the Russians under the banner of Jihad.

Ada  posted on  2017-02-01   7:55:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: sneakypete (#16)

I don't favor any side in Yemen. It would suit me just fine if they all killed each other off.

We seem, however, to be taking sides even to the extent of killing an American child.

I've posted two articles today on Yemen and the war crimes being committed there. Read them, or not, if you have any interest.

Ada  posted on  2017-02-01   7:58:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Ada (#17)

Jihad has nothing to do with the United States

You can't possibly be that stupid,so you are either drunk/on mind-altering drugs,or purposely lying.

Jihad has to do with THE ENTIRE WORLD.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-02-01   20:18:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Ada (#18)

We seem, however, to be taking sides even to the extent of killing an American child.

Just what is it that you think happens in wars? You don't think there were any European or Asian children killed during WW-1 or WW-2?

I've posted two articles today on Yemen and the war crimes being committed there. Read them, or not, if you have any interest.

I have no interest at all. It's just another 3rd world shithole,and that's all it will ever be.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-02-01   20:20:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Ada (#17)

Jihad has nothing to do with the United States except that we got our ally, Pakistan, to encourage the Afghanis to oppose the Russians under the banner of Jihad.

And the Saudis...or are they Britains ally? Egyptians? Hell, they were all in on 9-11. Let's blame Norway, the focal point of the global tobacco trade!

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2017-02-01   20:22:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: sneakypete (#19)

Jihad has to do with THE ENTIRE WORLD.

If you had bothered to check, "Jihad" means struggle. Jihad a misunderstood concept from Islam>

It has nothing to do with the entire world; nor, for that matter, does it have to do with Christians or Jews who are recognized as "people of the Book".

Ada  posted on  2017-02-01   20:31:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Ada (#22)

Love you Ada, for your patience and research, but jihad also means revolution to the creepy Pak/Saud/Taliban crowd. It's a finger up the nose of the multi-cults, which I'm afraid they enjoy.

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2017-02-01   20:35:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Dakmar (#21)

And the Saudis...or are they Britains ally? Egyptians? Hell, they were all in on 9-11. Let's blame Norway, the focal point of the global tobacco trade!

Hell, they were all in on 9-11

The poorly-trained Saudis, if we want to believe the corporate media, supplied the bulk of the extremely skilled personnel who flew those planes.

In any event its our Saudis who are attacking the Yemenis and we are aiding and abetting.

I agree with the German Intelligence senator, von Bulow, who said that 9/11 appeared to be an intelligence operation with more than one country involved.

Ada  posted on  2017-02-01   20:36:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Ada (#24)

In any event its our Saudis who are attacking the Yemenis and we are aiding and abetting.

Were...

I hope.

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2017-02-01   20:41:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Dakmar (#23)

but jihad also means revolution to the creepy Pak/Saud/Taliban crowd.

Jihad could evolve into revolution.

KIM, though, that the "creepy Pak/Saudi/Taliban crowd are our allies and always have been. We are still fighting side-by-side with the Saudi and Taliban in Syria against the lawfully-elected government.

Ada  posted on  2017-02-01   20:42:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Ada (#26)

KIM, though, that the "creepy Pak/Saudi/Taliban crowd are our allies and always have been. We are still fighting side-by-side with the Saudi and Taliban in Syria against the lawfully-elected government.

As long as we side with the International Banksters.

I never got a ballot, I would have voted No.

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2017-02-01   20:46:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Dakmar (#25) (Edited)

Were...

I hope.

Alas, we still are >original.antiwar.com/justin/2017/01/31/yemen-americas-shame/">

I would like to think that DJT just hasn't gotten around to shutting this abomination down yet; but I don't have much conviction due to his alliance with the US military.

Ada  posted on  2017-02-01   20:46:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Ada (#28)

I'm not blindly backing Trump, but he seems to be against all the right people.

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2017-02-01   20:49:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Dakmar (#29)

I'm not blindly backing Trump, but he seems to be against all the right people.

He has a problem in getting the right people through Congress.

In the meantime, judge him by all his disgusting enemies.

Ada  posted on  2017-02-01   20:52:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Ada (#30)

In the meantime, judge him by all his disgusting enemies.

amen

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2017-02-01   20:54:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: sneakypete (#20)

Just what is it that you think happens in wars? You don't think there were any European or Asian children killed during WW-1 or WW-2?

I've posted two articles today on Yemen and the war crimes being committed there. Read them, or not, if you have any interest.

I have no interest at all. It's just another 3rd world shithole,and that's all it will ever be.

We are not at war with Yemen or Saudi. We are aiding Saudi/Yemen put down an internal uprising which we should not be doing.

And, yes, I didn't think you had any interest in the facts.

Ada  posted on  2017-02-01   21:03:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Ada (#24)

The poorly-trained Saudis, if we want to believe the corporate media, supplied the bulk of the extremely skilled personnel who flew those planes.

In any event its our Saudis who are attacking the Yemenis and we are aiding and abetting.

The Saudis fly F-15s as bombers, fighters and interceptors, and these aircraft are manned by Saudi pilots. A bunch of them recently received brand new Bentleys as a reward for bombing the crap out of Yemen. We continue to supply Saudi with weapons and training while this sordid war goes on and on. But there's a lot going on under the surface that bears looking at.

First of all, note that Trump did not hit the Houthis, who are Zaidi Shia with a long, long beef with Sunnis especially those in Riyadh who are at this time attempting to bomb Yemen back into the Stone Age. Trump has hit at Al Qaeda in the town of Al Bayda in central Yemen in the eastern reaches of Houthi control where Al Qaeda has recently gained a foothold. Al Qaeda while offically recognized as "terrorist" by the Riyadh is theologically and ideologically aligned with Wahabi/Salafi ideology of Saudi Arabia. This was an operation cooked up under Obama ostensibly because Al Qaeda was cooking up a big operation of its own. Unfortunately, this operation was leaked and those bastards were ready for us. We lost one guy and an Osprey aircraft. Bad news.

As a presidential candidate, Trump said that if were elected, he might halt purchases of oil from Saudi Arabia and other Arab allies unless they commit ground troops to the fight against the Islamic State or “substantially reimburse” the United States for combating the militant group, which threatens their stability. Trump signals to Riyadh have not been overfriendly. While we can assume that the US has not stopped shipments of lethal weapons and materials to Saudi Arabia, and while Trump has discussed cooperating with Saudi in setting up “safe zones” in Syria, it looks like we're not going to get directly involved in the Saudi- Yemeni quarrel. That is a very unpopular war and most of Riyadh’s onetime allies in this conflict have pulled out of it.

evahthang go' be aw-rite

randge  posted on  2017-02-01   21:39:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Ada (#0)

The New York Times yesterday reported that military officials had been planning and debating the raid for months under the Obama administration, but Obama officials decided to leave the choice to Trump. The new President personally authorized the attack last week.

Which military officials? Who cleared such a target for a Seal Team commando raid and advised the Commander-in-Chief about that? "the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself." -- Marcus Tullius Cicero.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2017-02-01   23:42:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Ada (#22)

If you had bothered to check, "Jihad" means struggle.

Oh,well! That makes all the difference in the world! Marx,Stalin,and Chairman Mao used to talk about "struggle",too.

Who knew they were talking about puppy dog kisses?

Are you an actual Muslim,or just an apologist for Islam?

sneakypete  posted on  2017-02-02   6:26:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Ada (#32)

And, yes, I didn't think you had any interest in the facts.

Eat shit and die. I am a hell of a lot more familiar with the "Facts" as they pertain to Islam than you are.

Or equally aware of them. The difference between you and I is I don't admire Islam or have any family members who have converted,and I won't lie or spin to protect them of the dictatorial form of government they call a religion.

Islam has been at war with the rest of the world every since that baby-humping camel-molester founded it and set out to conquer the world.

I say it is time the rest of the world went to war with Islam,and wipe out so they are no longer a threat to anyone.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-02-02   6:32:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: sneakypete (#36)

Eat shit and die. I am a hell of a lot more familiar with the "Facts" as they pertain to Islam than you are.

Perhaps its time the rest of the world went to war with the US so that we are no longer a threat to anyone.

The raid was botched and Islam had nothing to do with it

Ada  posted on  2017-02-02   8:16:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: GreyLmist (#34)

Which military officials? Who cleared such a target for a Seal Team commando raid and advised the Commander-in-Chief about that?

The Pentagon will no doubt protect their own but we just might get an investigation as to why SEAL Team 6 bulled ahead with the raid after they know it had been compromised.

Ada  posted on  2017-02-02   9:59:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: randge (#33)

Trump has hit at Al Qaeda in the town of Al Bayda in central Yemen in the eastern reaches of Houthi control where Al Qaeda has recently gained a foothold.

The question is why Trump is continuing Obama's failed ME policy? As you point out the raid was aimed at Al Qaeda who have been the greatest beneficiaries of the Saudi war against Yemen. And both Al Qaeda and Saudi are our allies in Syria.

Ada  posted on  2017-02-02   10:28:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Ada (#37)

Perhaps its time the rest of the world went to war with the US so that we are no longer a threat to anyone.

Spoken like the traitor you are.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-02-02   16:48:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Ada (#38)

The Pentagon will no doubt protect their own but we just might get an investigation as to why SEAL Team 6 bulled ahead with the raid after they know it had been compromised.

I've never heard even a semi-sane explanation for why sailors are screwing around in mountains,doing stuff they aren't qualified to do and don't have the right mindset to be doing.

Yes,I do understand it is a result of all the little Admirals being desperate to keep the Navy relevant and dipping into the federal budget,but they already have guys called "Marine Force Recon who are better trained and have the proper mindset for land warfare.

The SEALS have no business doing anything not at sea or or related to prepping beaches for an invasion.

Flame away. I know what I just wrote in non-PC,but it's time somebody said it.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-02-02   16:52:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Ada (#4)

theintercept.com, sourced at the Opening Post: Trump notoriously vowed during the campaign to target not only terrorists but also their families.

And again, at Post #4: Trump notoriously vowed during the campaign to target not only terrorists but also their families.

huffingtonpost.com 03/09/2016: Trump Says He Never Pledged To Kill Family Members Of Terrorists

he insisted that he never actually said he wanted to kill the families of terrorists ... “I didn’t say kill. We have to go after them.” ... “I would be very, very firm with families,” Trump said at one point during the campaign.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2017-02-02   17:33:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: sneakypete (#40)

Just like George Washington

Ada  posted on  2017-02-02   17:57:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Ada (#43)

Just like George Washington

ROFLMAO! Your ignorance is astounding! What indoctrination center did you "learn" that nonsense at? Where ever it was,they owe you the tuition fees back,as well as damages. That is just a mindless brain-fart left over from the hippie drones of the 60's.

George Washington wasn't a traitor,but rather than trying to explain to you why he wasn't,I am going to let YOU explain to us all how he was.

Your ball,you run with it.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-02-02   18:25:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: sneakypete (#41)

What's bugged me from the start is why we got engaged to hit the Saudi's pals in Yemen.

You have to know that the strategic prize in all of this is command over the eastern overlook to the Bab-al-Mandab or the straights at the head of the Red Sea where all sea traffic is channeled north to the Suez.

I found this comment on emptywheel written by "b" that has some perspectives that no one has offered on this raid.

b says: January 31, 2017 at 3:22 pm There were UAE special forces involved (says CNN). This was a long planned hit, not some spontaneous action. Not even in an emergency could the U.S. military create such a “package” within just 2-3 days: SEAL 6, UAE SpecForce, MV-22 support, fighter support, intel, targeted drone strikes before and after the attack.

The people hit were “al-Qaeda aligned” local bigwigs hired by the Saudis to fight for them. — https://twitter.com/BaFana3/status/826468649401774080 Haykal Bafana @BaFana3 6m #Saudi media in Arabic : US commando raid in #Yemen killed a senior leader in the legitimate government’s anti-Houthi forces. #Saudi media in English : US commando raid in #Yemen killed a senior Al Qaeda leader. — The main target was supplied and in regular contact with the Saudi forces in Yemen.

Take the bigger view. The Saudis want a united Yemen under their full control. The UAE (while said to be allied with Saudis) supports the southern separation movement in Yemen. Dubai Port (DPWorld) wants exclusive rights to Aden and the south Yemeni oil terminals. (These to avoid the strategic problems of the street of Hormuz passages.)

After UAE forces took Aden they were attacked by Saudi supported al-Qaeda (and ISIS) groups. The U.S. military supports the UAE in this family strife because it dislikes the Saudi support for al-Qaeda..

The U.S./UAE hit against that “al-Qaeda aligned” Saudi mercenary gang was as much against the Saudis themselves as it was against al-Qaeda.

The things at issue here were way bigger here than hitting the daughter of a long gone propagandist.

So a three-way CF between 1) the Houthis against everyone 2) the Saudi's and their Qaeda allies 3) the Emirates (UAE) allied with the southern movement, stabbing their ostensible Saudi allies in the back.

Oh and there's a 4). The US playing both sides, Dubai and Riyadh, so as to come out in clover and kiss up, cajole and dominate whoever winds up with Aden.

randge  posted on  2017-02-02   18:27:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Ada (#38) (Edited)

The Pentagon will no doubt protect their own but we just might get an investigation as to why SEAL Team 6 bulled ahead with the raid after they know it had been compromised.

Being humans and not remote-controlled machinery like Obama's extra-judicial killing drones, maybe they didn't know that until after a firefight started. We don't really know how it did or if the civilian non-combatants and children were all casualties shot by bullets from the al Qaeda gunners who were there with them. Perhaps Seal Owens died when he did realize that there were other lives in harm's way besides al Qaeda fighters and may have stopped trying to target those forces.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2017-02-02   18:38:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: GreyLmist (#46)

Being humans and not remote-controlled machinery like Obama's extra-judicial killing drones, maybe they didn't know that until after a firefight started. We don't really know how it did or if the civilian non-combatants and children were all casualties shot by bullets from the al Qaeda gunners who were there with them. Perhaps Seal Owens died when he did realize that there were other lives in harm's way besides al Qaeda fighters and may have stopped trying to target those forces.

Wishful thinking

Ada  posted on  2017-02-02   19:33:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: GreyLmist (#46)

According to a former special operations officer with knowledge of the raid, one of the Obama administration's concerns was the integration of commandos from the United Arab Emirates, an unusual arrangement for the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) and its elite task forces. In some ways, said the retired officer, it was an Emirati-driven operation, with their intelligence on the ground and their year-long preparation.

http://www.newsjs.com/url.php?p=http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/what- went-wrong-inside-yemen-seal-raid-n716216

What I'm thinking is that when the map of the ME was drawn by the Brits and the French, one of the operating principles that these parties followed was to draw border and create areas of influence so that each of the Arab nations would only have control over a limited number of strategic chokepoints. Thus Saudi was pulled up short in gaining all of the Arabian peninsula. In particular, Saudi was denied the Straights of Hormuz and the Bab-Al-Mendab.

I get the feeling that Washington doesn't cotton to the idea of Riyadh in the power seat in Yemen especially not to the possession of Aden. Old man Ibn Saud said that the kingdom might find its grave in Yemen.

randge  posted on  2017-02-02   20:26:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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