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Title: Meet the Depressed host Chuck Todd and John McLunatic/Leon Panetta discuss Trumps incompetence
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Published: Feb 19, 2017
Author: sneakypete
Post Date: 2017-02-19 12:50:07 by sneakypete
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Just watched Chuck Todd "interview" John McLunatic on Meet the Depressed,and Todd did everything but blow him on live TV. EVERY question was a set up for McLuntic to agree that Trump can't be trusted because he is incompetent. He even has McLunatic calling for a Congressional investigation on Trump.
The final question was to aske McLunatic "Trump has said that ABC,CBS,NBC,and CNN were not HIS enemy,but were the enemy of the American People",and of course McLunatic then crawled up his ass and took a nap while kissing Chuckie's ass on the way in and out.
Then Leon Panetta came on and said the intelligence community can't trust Trump. Panetta was VERY careful to not appear to be a part of the hatchet job,but did and said nothing to defend Trump and his actions.
The whole show was a hatchet job to try to convince conservatives that he is incompetent and needs to be removed from office.
There is not a single one of the Sunday political talk shows that are even pretending to be unbiased anymore. It is clear to everyone viewing them they see their goal as the removal of Trump from office.
It seems clear to me the media is going to continue trying to force Trump and his staff into defensive positions defending undefensible charges that have no basis in fact. What the typical 'murikan voter will see is Trump and his people in denial over outrageous charges and crimes,and the fact that not a single ONE of them have any basis in fact is so downplayed almost none of them will notice it.
It won't be long before the media will be ranting at Trump and his appointees "Not responding to the public's questions",when it is THEIR accussations that were made and answered on tv,NOT actual questions.
The goal is to present such a blizzard of accussations that most people will say "With all that smoke,there must be a fire somewhere!"
Trump and his staff will be found "guilty" in the minds of the public,purely because he and they were accused by the mainstream press.
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#1. To: sneakypete (#0)
Thanks
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
HAPPY2BME-4UM posted on 2017-02-19 13:06:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: sneakypete (#0)
Incompetant is getting shot out of the sky and being taken alive by the enemy.

Obnoxicated posted on 2017-02-19 14:22:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: Obnoxicated (#2)
taken alive by the enemy

McKook was the son of an Admiral. Do you think he could shoot his way out of there with broken arms and only a pistol? ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2017-02-19 16:23:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: Obnoxicated (#2)
Incompetant is getting shot out of the sky and being taken alive by the enemy.

I don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to know you have never been in combat,and have no idea what it's like to be in an aircraft taking fire,never mind being shot down and wounded.
It's not likely you are going to find a harsher critic of McLunatic than me,but one thing you will NEVER hear me say or see me write is that he was a coward.
Never mind flying into SAM missille and 37 MM AAA fire,just flying on and off a carrier at sea at night takes some serious stones.
Yes,he is a traitor and a buffoon,but one thing he is NOT is a coward.

sneakypete posted on 2017-02-19 19:06:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: sneakypete (#4)
Incompetant is getting shot out of the sky and being taken alive by the enemy

Well THE RUMOR is, he was shot down on his first mission AFTER the debacle on the USS Forrestal. You know the debacle where some idiot(reported to be the son of an Admiral) "Hot started" his plane so it would belch flames out of it's ass. The flames hit unstable ordinance left over from WW2 and the deck of the Forrestal became an inferno. Now a helicopter came immediately to take the admiral's son to safety and he was reassigned to another carrier. He was never formally blamed for starting the fire, but we all know how things went down in Viet Nam when an officer got too many men killed.
I imagine the poor man was dodging fire from the ground and forgot to look behind him.

octavia posted on 2017-02-19 20:08:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: octavia (#5)
Well THE RUMOR is, he was shot down on his first mission AFTER the debacle on the USS Forrestal.

I've never heard that,but so what? WHEN he was shot down is irrelevant. The relevant point is he WAS shot down,and he was shot down while bombing one of the most protected targets in history.
AND......,it was not his first mission.
You know the debacle where some idiot(reported to be the son of an Admiral) "Hot started" his plane so it would belch flames out of it's ass. The flames hit unstable ordinance left over from WW2 and the deck of the Forrestal became an inferno.
I have read the same thing. I don't know how true it is,but I suspect more than a little.
I have also read it was another pilot that did this.
Now a helicopter came immediately to take the admiral's son to safety and he was reassigned to another carrier.
That I have never heard before.
He was never formally blamed for starting the fire, but we all know how things went down in Viet Nam when an officer got too many men killed.
Well,I was in VN for one whole tour and part of another,and "I* do NOT know that.
I despite McLunatic and everything he stands for,but I will NOT allow his courage,or the courage of any other pilot that flew bombing missions over Hanoi. Anybody who doesn't think that was a very big deal doesn't understand the dangers involved.

sneakypete posted on 2017-02-19 22:54:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: sneakypete (#6) (Edited)
I worked with a guy that was relief forces at the Battle of Hamburger Hill. He told me a mortar round landed right next so him. It was a dud. I told him, "God had his hand on your shoulder." His brother married an oriental woman. He said, "It's like a knife in my heart." :-/
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2017-02-20 5:40:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: BTP Holdings (#7) (Edited)
I worked with a guy that was relief forces at the Battle of Hamburger Hill. He told me a mortar round landed right next so him. It was a dud. I told him, "God had his hand on your shoulder." His brother married an oriental woman. He said, "It's like a knife in my heart." :-/

I was in Special Forces,so I guess my experience was different than that of most GI's in VN. We lived with and fought with VN soldiers,airmen,and Montagnard tribesmen,and when it comes to the SVN AF helicopter pilots,I don't mind telling you I wouldn't be alive today if it wasn't for their bravery. A SVN AF "Kingbee" pilot screwing around on a training mission was listening in on the radio once as we were surrounded on a hilltop in Laos and the US Army helicopter pilots were refusing to come in and pick us up because it was "too dangerous". The first one that tried got so many hits he never made it down to treetop level before he climbed away. I was on the radio when that comment was made,and told him "If you think it's dangerous up there,you should try coming down here to check it out,asshole."
The SVN Kingbee pilot heard this and broke into our conversation,and said "No sweat. I come get you.",and sure enough,here he came. All by himself with the door gunner in the one side door that Kingees had firing his A6 30 Cal Browning out that window,and his copilot leaning out the other window and firing his 45 at charging NVA regulars charging at the helicopter.
Keep in mind that NOBODY even asked him to do this,never mind ordered him to do it. We didn't even know he was anywhere in the area. He just came up on the air and just said he was coming.
And those guys did stuff like this on a regular basis. There are many,many American SF guys alive today because of the absolutely stunning courage of the SVN AF helicopter pilots and crews that worked with us ON A VOLUNTEER BASIS. They were really there to insert and extract the SVN Special Forces recon teams,not us.
LOTS of SF guys came back to America with VN wives.
You really can't be a racist and serve in SF. It just doesn't work and you can't fake it.
BTW, I remember on the first rocket and gun run by the Cobra's that day the lead Cobra got 14 secondary explosions from his first rocket run on a AAA position I vectored him to. As unbelievable as it is,I never met that pilot in real life,but ended up in a aol chat room about VN with him in the early 80's. He was chatting about his first combat flight in VN,and how they got diverted to Laos,and he was wondering before the day was over how he would ever be able to survive a whole year of "this shit". He got unbelievably excited when I told him I was the guy on the radio telling him about the 14 secondaries on his first rocket run ever. He knew it was me because he had not mentioned the number of secondary explosions. The Cobra pilots never know unless the guy on the ground with the radio counts them and tells him.
Sometimes bad days can end up being some of the best days of your life.

sneakypete posted on 2017-02-20 8:10:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: BTP Holdings (#7) (Edited)
I worked with a guy that was relief forces at the Battle of Hamburger Hill.

Remember in the book and the movie some radio operator comes up on the air and starts calling out the General flying over the battle at 12,000 feet in his observation helicopter,ranting and raving at his men below to get off their asses and take the hill and telling him a bunch of stuff,including "Talking shit is easy,asshole. Why not order your pilot to land your helicopter so you can get out and show your men how it's done by leading the assault to the top yourself,you fat piece of cowardly shit?"
This was the part in the movie where that young 18 year old private carrying the radio that day was trying to tell the general that the officer he was trying to get on the radio had been killed,and so had the platoon sgt. Instead of trying to calm him down,the pompous ass started giving him hell about "correct radio procedure",and calling him a coward for crying. The General was acting like a basic training platoon sgt,NOT a combat leader.
This had the General sputtering "Who's this? Who's this! I will court-martial you!",and the guy telling him,"You don't know,do you,shithead?"
That radio operator was me. I was on radio watch that day on a mountaintop in Laos where we had a remote radio relay site code-named "Leghorn",and since we had nothing going on that day,was listening in to the Hamburger Hill battle.
I was staying out of it,but when the General started berating that poor young private who was probably in the very first gun fight of his life and was panicking because everyone around him in a leadership position was lying there dead and he was scared and didn't know what to do,I kinda lost it and started putting the General in his place.
One of my proudest moments,and to this very day none of them know who it was on the radio. They had no idea about our radio relay site in Laos,so chances are the General had all the radio ops in his command that day questioned. Which means that even the guys under his command,even the ones there that day that didn't have radios know what a cowardly grandstanding asshole and glory hound he was.
For those of you who don't know,it was not unheard of for Senior officers at that time to fly over battlefields at 12,00 feet or so (too high to receive ground fire) where the troops under their command were assaulting dug-in NVA regulars,and then putting themselves in for Silver Stars and other awards for "leading a combat assault".

sneakypete posted on 2017-02-20 8:27:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: sneakypete (#8)
bad days

I've had plenty of those in the last several years. And I am still having them. But at least there is no incoming fire to keep my head down. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2017-02-20 8:49:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: sneakypete (#0)
removal of Trump from office

The guy has been in for about a month now. We should give him a chance. That is the least we should do. Let him sink or swim of his own accord. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2017-02-20 8:55:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: sneakypete (#9)
putting themselves in for Silver Stars for "leading a combat assault"

I've heard that saying, "Frag a lifer." ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2017-02-20 10:40:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: BTP Holdings (#10) (Edited)
bad days
I've had plenty of those in the last several years. And I am still having them.

I'm one of the lucky ones. Haven't had a bad dream about VN. Not even once. There were a couple of times back in the 70's when I had a dream in color with sound effects of a firefight I had been in,but I'd wake up with an epic adrenaline rush that made me think I could leap tall buildings with a single bound,and I can't honestly call that a nightmare. People pay good money and don't get a rush like that.
Haven't even had one of those dreams in decades now. I left VN and put it behind me. Didn't even think about it,never mind talk about it unless somebody else mentioned it first.
Still don't. Not because of bad memories or shyness,but nobody that never been in a firefight with automatic weapons and rockets and grenades going off around there has a clue what you are talking about,and the truth is they don't really care,so why bother? It would be like trying to describe a sun set to someone who has been blind all their life. You have to have a frame of reference.

sneakypete posted on 2017-02-20 18:50:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: BTP Holdings (#11)
The guy has been in for about a month now. We should give him a chance. That is the least we should do. Let him sink or swim of his own accord. ;)

That's the way I saw it when he was first sworn in,but I have to admit he has already done or tried to do more positive things already than any president in living memory.

sneakypete posted on 2017-02-20 18:51:10 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: BTP Holdings (#12) (Edited)
I've heard that saying, "Frag a lifer." ;)

Didn't work in SF. Pretty much everybody was a lifer,and all of them would frag back. Some would maybe even thank you for the excitement.

sneakypete posted on 2017-02-20 18:51:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: sneakypete (#14)
has already done more positive things

A short lesson in history.
On June 5, 1933, FDR abrogated the gold standard. He declared a "banking holiday" and forced people to turn in their gold at $20/oz. Then gold was revalued to $35/oz. Do the math and figure out how much profit they made.
BTW, Ft. Knox is empty. The FED took all the gold as collateral on the national debt. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2017-02-20 21:07:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: BTP Holdings (#16)
BTW, Ft. Knox is empty. The FED took all the gold as collateral on the national debt. ;)

I'm a little shaky on the history of that. Didn't it happen in the mid-50's?

sneakypete posted on 2017-02-20 21:29:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: sneakypete (#17) (Edited)
mid 50s

Not too sure myself.
But before the Nazis invaded France, the French sent their gold out of the country. FDR sent the Navy to capture it and they did. Now the French demand payment in gold for balance of payment deficits, that is until Nixon closed the gold window. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2017-02-20 21:53:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: octavia (#5)
flames hit unstable ordinance left over from WW2

What on earth would 30 year old ordinance be doing on an aircraft carrier off the coast of Vietnam? Just asking. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2017-02-21 6:58:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: sneakypete (#13) (Edited)
bad dream
frame of reference

I hear ya on that.
You do need a frame of reference for all things. When I worked concert security you had to use every trick in the book. If you allowed someone to get over on you, you were done for the night. We had to jump in the middle of fights and break them up, throw people out and have people arrested. We all carried handcuffs and we used them. It was a tough job and it didn't pay enough to get your ass kicked. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2017-02-21 16:40:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: BTP Holdings (#19)
What on earth would 30 year old ordinance be doing on an aircraft carrier off the coast of Vietnam? Just asking. ;)

Good question. Especially given the Navy's bomb budget back then.

sneakypete posted on 2017-02-21 17:48:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: sneakypete (#21)
bomb budget

They were running "arc light" missions with B-52s out of Philippines. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2017-02-21 18:40:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: BTP Holdings (#22)
They were running "arc light" missions with B-52s out of Philippines. ;)

I know. I once had a B-52 diverted from an Arc Light strike providing air cover for my team at about 500 feet. For some forgotten reason the PRC-25 radio had quit working,so we used one of our "cheater" URC-10 radios to find out where we were. On top of the radio not working,we had just discovered our maps matched nothing on the terrain we were standing on and looking at. This is considered to be a "bad thing" when there are just 6 of you,and you are in NVA territory in Laos.
The URC-10 was the pilot survival radio. Only air crewmen were supposed to have them,but somehow we didn't get the word. Fit in a canteen cover,and the instant you pulled the antenna out,it started broadcasting "shot down pilot" noises. Fire one of those things up and you suddenly have all the air support in the world flying in circles around you. The B-52 just happened to be the first thing that showed up.
Even been in an area hit with a arch light? Or even been on the mountain top next to where one was going in? Those are some massive freaking explosions. If you are hiding in a cave and one of those 2,000 lb bombs with a delayed fuse goes off over your head,it will turn your brains to jelly if you're not deep.
There were advantages to running recons in those areas,though. If you got hit by the NVA there was no shortage of holes to take cover in,and during the rainy season you could always fill your canteens in them,and not have to risk taking trails down to the river where you can be seen by NVA spotters. And it doesn't matter who you are or the dangers involved,when you get thirsty enough,you WILL try to crawl down to the river and refill your canteens.

sneakypete posted on 2017-02-21 20:25:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: BTP Holdings (#22)
They were running "arc light" missions with B-52s out of Philippines. ;)

They were also running them out of Kadena AFB on Okinawa.
Ever stand next to a runway when a flight of fully loaded B-52'S are taking off at full-combat power,and the damn wings are waving up and down as they roll down he runway?
That's noise on a level you can FEEL in your bones. Seriously. I have no idea why the guys flying them weren't as deaf as fence posts.

sneakypete posted on 2017-02-21 20:34:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: sneakypete (#24)
flight of fully loaded B-52s
deaf as fence posts

When I work for State of Illinois there was Glenview Naval Air Station. The one foreman would say, "Let's go down to the end of the runway and catch some jet blast." ROTFLOL
The reason they were not deaf is because they were likely wearing radio phones on their ears. Not really sure about it. But that is my best guess. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2017-02-21 20:58:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: sneakypete (#23) (Edited)
canteens

Water is of utmost importance. I have emergency bottled water here plus two big boxes of survival food. Enough to last a family of four for a month. It is not MREs. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2017-02-21 21:06:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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