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Title: How to Slam Dunk Creationists When It Comes to The Theory of Evolution
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URL Source: http://www.sciencealert.com/how-to- ... mes-to-the-theory-of-evolution
Published: Aug 7, 2017
Author: PAUL BRATERMAN, THE CONVERSATION
Post Date: 2017-08-07 04:19:06 by Tatarewicz
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Views: 158
Comments: 13

Sci-alert... The 2001 discovery of the seven million-year-old Sahelanthropus, the first known upright ape-like creatures, was yet more proof of humanity's place among the great apes. And yet Mike Pence, then a representative and now US vice president, argues for the opposite conclusion.

For him, our ideas about our ancestors have changed, proving once more that evolution was a theory, and therefore we should be free to teach other theories alongside evolution in our classrooms.

How to respond? The usual answer is that we should teach students the meaning of the word "theory" as used in science – that is, a hypothesis (or idea) that has stood up to repeated testing.

Pence's argument will then be exposed to be what philosophers call an equivocation – an argument that only seems to make sense because the same word is being used in two different senses.

Just words

Evolution, Pence argues, is a theory, theories are uncertain, therefore evolution is uncertain. But evolution is a theory only in the scientific sense of the word.

And in the words of the National Academy of Sciences, "The formal scientific definition of theory is quite different from the everyday meaning of the word. It refers to a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence."

Attaching this label to evolution is an indicator of strength, not weakness.

If you take this approach, you have failed to understand the purpose of Pence's rhetoric, or why it is so appealing to creationists. Pence is an accomplished politician, and knows exactly how to appeal to his intended audience.

He is also an accomplished trial lawyer, which makes him a conjuror with words, and like any skilful conjuror he has pulled off his trick by distraction. Pence has drawn us into a discussion about words, when our focus should be on the evidence.

I would suggest the opposite approach. The problem is not really with the word "theory" at all. Students will have learned its meaning in the same way they learn meanings in general: by seeing how the word is used.

They will have heard of atomic theory, which no one has seriously doubted for over a century. And what about the theory of gravity?

Finally, they may have seen how Darwin himself uses the expression "my theory", although at the time it was neither comprehensive nor well supported (there were huge gaps in the fossil record), to refer in a very general way to his linked ideas about mutability of species, common descent, and the power of natural selection.

So if anyone says, "Evolution is a theory", don't give them a lecture on the meaning of the word "theory". If you do, you've fallen into the trap of making it seem that how we define words should affect how we see reality.

You will be fighting on ground of your opponent's choosing, since arguing about how to apply words is the stock in trade of theologians, preachers and lawyers like Mike Pence.

The correct response is to say that evolution is a theory – like gravity is a theory – and then redirect attention to the evidence. And that evidence is overwhelming.

Evolutionary ammo

Start with family relationships. Carl Linnaeus showed how living things can be classified into species, genera, families and so on, and Darwin pointed out that this is exactly the structure we would expect from a family tree.

All dogs are canines, so dogs share an ancestor with foxes; all canines are carnivora, so dogs share a more remote ancestor with bears; all carnivora are mammals, so dogs and sheep are, albeit more remotely, related, and so on.

Then look at the discovery over the past few decades of family relationships at the molecular level, and the fact that the molecular family tree matches that based on anatomical resemblances.

Observe the fossil record. Once lamentably full of gaps (Darwin was among the lamenters), it is now densely populated. A century ago, it still made sense to point to the "missing link" between humans and pre-human apes.

Now we know of several different hominin species living alongside each other, and the problem becomes one of distinguishing our grandparents from our great uncles. And yes, there are missing links in the chain, but without evolution we would not have a chain at all.

And then there's biogeography: for example, why marsupials are only found in South America and Australasia, and except for a few species that made their way across the Isthmus of Panama, are never found elsewhere.

Plus we can actually observe evolution, and study it in the field or in the lab. The emergence of pesticide resistance is evolution in action, as shown in the justly famous Harvard/Technion demonstration "evolution on a plate".

So is the delightful Russian experiment of breeding tame foxes. Artificial selection, just as much as natural selection, is evolution in action.

And finally, and most convincingly, we must look at the way that these different lines of evidence mesh together. We can apply biogeography to the fossil record, and link it to what we know about the movements of the continents.

Using the methods of molecular biology, we can identify and time the mutations that led different species to diverge from their common ancestor, and match the timing against the fossil record.

Thus the fossil record, deep anatomical resemblances, and DNA evidence agree in showing that whales, for instance, are closely related to hoofed mammals, diverging from them in the Eocene period. There are many other examples of such consistency.

The ConversationThen, and only then, pause to explain how a scientific theory is an interlocking connection of ideas that explain things about the world, and that evolution is one of the most successful examples.

And challenge the Mike Pences of this world to spell out exactly what they would like to see taught alongside the Theory of Evolution – and why.

Paul Braterman, Hon. Research Fellow; Professor Emeritus, University of Glasgow.

This article was originally published by The Conversation.

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#1. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

Evolution "evolved" from nothingness????

Evolution either always existed, without beginning nor end, OR IT BEGAN AT SOME STARTING POINT.

Cynicom  posted on  2017-08-07   10:21:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

So far we cannot prove how life started or if life is common in the universe or if it exists only on the planet earth. However, the evidence for evolution is overwhelming. If fact it probably should be elevated from a scientific theory to a scientific law.

DWornock  posted on  2017-08-07   11:34:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: DWornock (#2)

One assumption with evolution made by both the creationist and science communities is that offspring receive random gene combinations from the parents. But that may not be the case. I don't think it's ever been questioned, but it's possible that some mechanism could be in play that tilts the odds somewhat in favor of offspring receiving "better" genes suited for survival in a current environment. How such a thing could work, I have no idea, but I don't think it's ever been ruled out.

Though one thing evolution theory very much needs is a way of explaining how a newly evolved life form can have an increase the size of it's gene library over it's parents. That has yet to be explained or even hypothesized, as far as I know.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-08-07   11:51:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tatarewicz (#0) (Edited)

The Atheist Test

just for fun, click on the links under "More Views":

store.livingwaters.com/gospel-tracts/the-atheist-test.html

what's it all about?

Why The Secular Left is Anti-God and Dangerous

"...Today's modern-day liberals desire to free themselves and America from God and the Christian worldview, the foundation of conservatism as well as our republic itself. They concern themselves less with America's war on terror than their own personal war on Christianity. Former secretary of labor in the Clinton administration, Robert B. Reich, echoes their perspective when he declares:

The great conflict of the 21st century may be between the West and terrorism. But terrorism is a tactic, not a belief. The underlying battle will be between modern civilization and anti-modernist fanatics, between those who believe in the primacy of the individual and those who believe that human beings owe blind allegiance to a higher authority; between those who give priority to life in this world and those who believe that human life is no more than preparation for an existence beyond life; between those who believe that truth is revealed solely through scripture and religious dogma, and those who rely primarily on science, reason, and logic. Terrorism will disrupt and destroy lives. But terrorism is not the only danger we face.1

Do you realize what this former high-ranking U.S. government official has declared is equal to terrorism and is a foundational threat to America? That's right, conservative Christians.

Reich says today's worldview battle is "between modern civilization and anti- modernist fanatics." If you don't believe, accept, and value postmodernism and its belief that all truth is created by man and not God, you are an anti- modernist fanatic. Reich himself acknowledges that today's worldview war is between secular humanists and Christians, "between those who believe in the primacy of the individual [secular humanism] and those who believe that human beings owe blind allegiance to a higher authority." He goes on to attack those that believe in life after death as well as the authority and validity of the Bible. If Reich and his radical liberal friends have their way, there may one day be a division in the U.S. Department of Homeland Security dedicated to monitoring not only terrorists but also tracking and prosecuting Christians that openly live out their Christian worldview...."

www.worldviewweekend.com/news/article/why-secular-left-anti-god- and-dangerous

Well, maybe if there is no God, then there is no "'G-d's' 'Chosen People'" to rule from the Sanhedrin, and no phony "Noahide Laws" for the whole world to adhere to.

Final War for Jerusalem

"...Our most pressing task, to put it simply, is to launch an international Noachide revolution without delay. The process has already begun, with dozens of tiny Noachide communities having appeared throughout the United States, generally composed of former Christians who have abandoned that religion. The task of organizing the revolution can be divided into two broad stages:

(The Falling away, before that Son of Perdition be “Revealed” @ Thes:2. RP)

I) We must first create a new Noachide society as an international network of communities and organizations functioning inside, but separately from, the surrounding society (based on halachic requirements and directives, Noachide institutions function quite differently from their Christian and secular counterparts).

This starts with an aggressive outreach program, by Jews and Noachides alike, to teach gentiles about their responsibilities according to Torah.

Simultaneously, we must organize functioning programs and institutions that are prepared to absorb these vast numbers of ex-Christians and immediately involve them in efforts to bring Moshiach. The Noachide communities require schools for their children, modeled after the Jewish yeshiva programs; Torah study groups geared for their specific needs; coordinated celebrations of appropriate Torah holidays; family services for marriage, support for the elderly, and burial; courts of justice, led by rabbinically trained righteous judges, which will function similarly to Jewish batei dinim; and tzedaka programs to assist the needy, to build new Noachide schools, and to support Jewish settlements in Israel and synagogues throughout the diaspora.

2) In the second stage, the growing Noachide movement will seize political power—using only peaceful, lawful means—in the capitals of the Western nations. This, of course, will not take place until the Noachide society has grown to some threshold size. We do not know how large this needs to be nor which nations will join the revolution first, although the United States, as a fairly religious, conservative nation, certainly tops the list of prospects.

Upon seizing the reins of government, the new Noachide leaders will move quickly to implement a full agenda of reform. All economic and technological aid to the Communist Bloc, including the PLO, will be terminated immediately. Full support will be given to Israeli forces to reinvade PLO- controlled areas, with military assistance offered where necessary. Jewish courts (the batei dini of the rabbis) will be granted full legal sovereignty over Jewish citizens within each country, who will no longer be subject to the authority of gentile courts. The pre-existing Noachide judges and courts will replace the existing court system of each country, and the legal code will be drastically rewritten to conform to halacha; in the United States, the emphasis will be on restoring the authority of the Constitution and abolishing all unconstitutional government programs and agencies. The national debt will be foreclosed, probably by paying off creditors with government land holdings, thus averting economic disaster. And law and order will be fully restored through the establishment of internal security measures, again in accordance with Torah law..."

(Done. RP)... https://noahidenews.com/2015/10/06/the-two-whores/

Anatomy of a One World Religion?

http://www.truthbeknown.com/theocracy.htm

2 Thessalonians 2

8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness....

http://biblehub.com/kjv/2_thessalonians/2.htm

off-subject, have you heard Ernst Zundel has died? I saw it while searching.

(edit) so has Jim Marrs

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2017-08-07   12:01:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tatarewicz (#4)

"...Today's modern-day liberals desire to free themselves and America from God and the Christian worldview

The enduring legacy of the First Landing

www.wnd.com/2007/04/41327/print/< /a>

biblehub.com/zechariah/2-8.htm

biblehub.com/kjv/zechariah/2.htm< /a>

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2017-08-07   12:14:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#4)

They're blind. They serve the same dark master whose dark angels they serve.


"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2017-08-07   12:49:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: All (#6)

As surely as you are reading my words, God is alive.

Jesus is God. He visited me in 2015 when I was dying. He healed me, got me straightened out -we talked for about an hour.

He told me to tell all that He is alive, He loves each of us and that He is coming back.

There's a lot more but that will all come out next month when I finish writing. It will be available on my blog for free.


"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2017-08-07   12:54:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Rotara (#7) (Edited)

May the Lord keep you and bless you.

edit. nevermind, that goes without saying!

can't wait to read your blog!

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2017-08-07   13:54:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#1)

Atoms and molecules are reactive. Given "endless" time and varying conditions they'll evolve into something.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2017-08-08   3:25:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Pinguinite (#3)

offspring receive random gene combinations from the parents

Usually "stronger" genes prevail; trouble starts when both parents have a weak gene for some function.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2017-08-08   3:36:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Tatarewicz (#9)

There are two givens by all, they are space and time.

Then matter, which is physical, appeared. From the void of space and time matter created itself?

Cynicom  posted on  2017-08-08   5:09:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Pinguinite (#3)

There is a lot of variability in a species. When the environment changes, a few have the genes that allow them to survive. Those that survive repopulate. Think of DDT and mosquitoes.

Children are not larger on average than then their parents. However, there is also a variability in size. Up to a point, those with larger size have an advantage so females choose to breed to males with larger size. Therefore, they produce more babies which carry the genes for larger size.

DWornock  posted on  2017-08-08   14:40:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: DWornock (#12)

What you describe is natural selection in which genetic differences between 2 members of the same species dictate that one is more likely to propagate than the other. However, both members still have the same number of genes and chromosomes. Nothing in this type of natural selection via breeding, which is simply a mixing of genes from both parents, is known to create an offspring with an expanded gene "library". The offspring always has the same number of "books" in it's "library" as the parents do, though the books will have titles from both parents, as it were.

Different species of animals and plants vary in gene & chromosome counts, so certainly, given the evolution model, some mechanism must exist by which an offspring can somehow have more genes than does it's parents, and I know of no explanation in evolution theory for how that happens. Ordinary natural selection does not explain this.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-08-10   13:13:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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