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Title: Las Vegas Eyewitness, Who Exposed Multiple Shooters, Found Dead
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Published: Oct 13, 2017
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Post Date: 2017-10-13 22:40:36 by BTP Holdings
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Las Vegas Eyewitness, Who Exposed Multiple Shooters, Found Dead

October 13, 2017 Baxter Dmitry News, US 16

Kymberley Suchomel, a survivor of the Las Vegas shooting who claimed there were multiple gunmen involved in the shooting, has been found dead. She was 28. Suchomel was not injured during the shooting at the Route 91 music festival, and died suddenly in the early hours of Monday at her Apple Valley home, according to her grandmother, Julie Norton, who explained to SeaCoast Online that Kymberley must have died at some point during the four hours she was alone in the house.

Norton found Suchomel just after 8:30 a.m. when she arrived to care for her 3-year-old great-granddaughter. Suchomel’s husband Mike had left for work earlier that morning at 4:30 a.m.

Days after the shooting, Kymberley Suchomel explained to the Victorville Daily Press how she and her friends escaped with their lives as bullets rained down “from all angles” on the 20,000 concertgoers on Oct. 1.

Suchomel was also vocal about the fact there was “more than one gunman” involved in the attack, speaking out repeatedly and claiming that Las Vegas police and mainstream media were not providing the public with a truthful account of what happened. “Every single survivor I have talked to also remembers multiple shooters, and at least one from the ground- why aren’t we being taken more seriously? Tons of things don’t add up,” she wrote on Facebook.

“I have been watching the news non-stop since I arrived back home to my family. And it just doesn’t make sense. The story that are feeding everyone doesn’t add up to our eyewitness accounts. There is something wrong with what they are saying & the evidence seems fake if you ask me.”

Explaining that she called her husband and grandmother to warn them she was in a shooting and might not make it out alive, Suchomel wrote, “The gunfire wasn’t stopping this whole time. It wasn’t ceasing. It wasn’t slowing down. And It was directly behind us, following us. Bullets were coming from every direction. Behind us, in front of us, to the side of us.

Local newspaper SeaCoast Online broke the news of Kymberley Suchomel’s sudden death.

“But I know, I just know, that there was someone chasing us. The entire time I felt this way. The farther we got from the venue, the closer the gunfire got. I kept looking back expecting to see the gunmen- and I say MEN because there was more than one person. There was more than one gun firing.

“100% more than one.”

Kymberley Suchomel’s grandmother confirmed that she was in good health. Though she suffered from focal epilepsy, it is understood that the condition is rarely life threatening.

The news comes days after a Mandalay Bay valet, who parked Stephen Paddock’s car when he checked in, has mysteriously disappeared after giving an interview to mainstream media in which he insisted the suspected shooter was “a normal guy” and “didn’t have many bags.”

Valet disappeared

Chad Nishimura, a long term employee of Mandalay Bay, gave the interview to Moanike’ala Nabarro, a reporter for Hawaiian ABC affiliate, KITV4 News.

The article has now been deleted from the KITV4 News website after it appeared to go against the official narrative that “lone wolf” gunman Paddock managed to smuggle enough guns for a small army into his hotel suite completely unnoticed by staff or security personnel monitoring the hotel’s CCTV.

KITV4 have so far refused to explain why their article was suddenly scrubbed from their website, or if they were acting under outside orders.

Security guard disappeared

The news of Kymberley Suchomel’s sudden death also comes as Fox News reports that “hero” security guard Jesus Campos “disappeared” minutes before he was due to appear on Sean Hannity’s program as a featured guest.

The network is at a loss to explain Campos’s disappearance. Hannity did not mention Jesus Campos or his no-show during the program, and responded to queries on Twitter about what happened by saying “He cancelled.”


Poster Comment:

There was certainly more than one shooter in Las Vegas. And now the witnesses are starting to disappear.

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#1. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

It's becoming impossible to determine the truth of these events or believe anything the MSM publishes.

noone222  posted on  2017-10-14   5:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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Las Vegas massacre survivor dies abruptly after posting her detailed eyewitness account of multiple shooters on Facebook

Confessional: An eyewitness who was with another, now dead, eyewitness during the Las Vegas shooting tells all


"HOW TYRANNY CAME TO AMERICA"

Press 1 for English, Press 2 for English, Press 3 for deportation

Uncle Bill  posted on  2017-10-14   16:52:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Uncle Bill, All (#2)

From the link Confessional

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2017-10-14   18:39:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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Las Vegas Shooter: I Believe This Is Close To The Truth


McVeigh’s Second Trial

The Oklahoma City Bombing Case Revelations - Patrick B. Briley


THE RISE OF THE FBI

Washington Post
Sunday, July 20, 1997;
Page W10
By Jim McGee

Congress is handing the bureau new powers and funds, creating a national police system that draws on military and intelligence resources. Louis Freeh says the FBI can protect both the public and the Bill of Rights. Civil libertarians worry about the repetition of past abuses.

On May 9, 1995, FBI Director Louis J. Freeh finished a letter that set down his vision of the bureau's future. It was just three weeks after the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, the worst act of domestic terrorism in U.S. history. Hundreds of FBI agents were already swarming over that case. The bombing had struck Washington like a new Pearl Harbor, and the FBI had the undivided attention of the Clinton administration and Congress. Indeed, politicians had already started shoveling money at the FBI, attempting to reassure the public about their fortitude in the face of terrorism. Within days of the bombing, the Clinton team had cobbled together a $71 million special appropriation for the Justice Department and promised another $400 million in the 1996 budget. Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) had offered an equally expansive package. Freeh needed to influence this effusive budgeting, or it would shape the FBI's growth without him.

He decided to lay out his priorities in a 22-paragraph letter to a friend of the FBI, Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Tex.), who had first asked Freeh for his ideas in late March. Freeh outlined "a multiyear plan for infrastructure restoration and expansion," as he wrote, a bricks-and-mortar vision of how the FBI would ideally look at the beginning of the 21st century.

After being appointed FBI director by Clinton in 1993, Freeh had been lionized by the media and by politicians from both major parties for his character, vigor and intelligence. Less remarked upon were Freeh's formidable skills as a lobbyist and salesman; he would become an active, savvy architect of an increasingly ambitious FBI future. He was leery of politics, but as director he had learned the virtues of persistence, especially on Capitol Hill. Easy to like on a personal level, he had developed friendships with key senators such as Hatch, Joseph Biden (D-Del.), Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) and Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), sometimes socializing with them to discuss FBI issues. Freeh managed and responded to these politicians as if they were the FBI's board of directors, which in a sense they were. In addition, at the workaday level, the FBI's Office of Public and Congressional Affairs, with 85 full-time positions, had become one of the most effective lobbying operations in Washington, public or private.

Now, amid the Oklahoma City shock waves, Freeh presented Gramm a remarkable wish list. For design and construction of a new FBI laboratory: $150 million. For support of forensic work: $70 million. For renovations and program expansions at the FBI Academy: $248 million. For support of cellular and digital telephone wiretapping: $328 million. For 10 new overseas offices and other international expansion: $32 million. And so on.

All told, Freeh's vision would cost more than $1 billion by the year 2000.

To other federal department heads tightening their agencies' belts amid bipartisan plans for a balanced budget, the scale of Freeh's requests might have seemed audacious. Yet Freeh understood that, like the Pentagon had been during the Cold War, the FBI in the 1990s was increasingly seen by Congress and the administration as the agency that could best defend America against its most serious perceived threats -- in this case, violent crime and terrorism.

As Freeh put it to Gramm, "I seek to provide the types of forensic, training and investigative support services needed by the FBI and other federal, state and local law enforcement involved in the effort to reduce the fear and the fact of violent crime that pervades the lives of citizens in so many of our communities."

And who, after all, could be opposed to that?

Louis Freeh has obtained most of what he sought in that 1995 letter -- and more. The bureau's budget has soared, increasing 47 percent from $2.1 billion when Freeh took over to $3 billion in the current fiscal year. Jurisdiction over new areas of federal law enforcement has been assigned to the FBI. The CIA has been integrated into the FBI's operating system, the FBI is opening new foreign offices, and Congress has directed that the CIA cooperate with the Justice Department's law enforcement missions -- which the CIA has done, as in the recent joint tracking and arrest of Mir Aimal Kansi, the Pakistani national accused of killing two CIA employees in Langley in 1993. The FBI has negotiated a de facto merger with the Drug Enforcement Administration and has its agents working side by side with DEA agents in most American cities and many foreign capitals. Virtually every major U.S. police department participates in permanent FBI task forces aimed at combating street gangs and drug dealers, and tracking down fugitives. Hundreds of millions of dollars have been plowed into new FBI computer centers and operational facilities. Hundreds of new agents have been hired, swelling the number of agents to 11,127 (out of a total work force of 26,817). In the world of federal budget politics, all this growth represents the triumph of Freeh's skills on Capitol Hill and his articulate planning. But it also signals something larger: Piece by piece, the Clinton administration and Congress are completing the full federalization of the nation's criminal justice system.

They are building something America has never really had before: a robust national police system. The FBI stands at the center. For many years, federal law enforcement police power was spread among several competing agencies. Now, important assets of the nation's local, state and federal law enforcement agencies are being combined with those of the intelligence community and parts of the military -- creating an integrated system whose powers of investigation, intelligence collection and electronic surveillance will be unprecedented. In the future, few crime-fighting tasks will be too small for some FBI involvement and none will be too large. With its own burgeoning resources and through an expanding network of collaborations, the new FBI is working with police detectives in Boston, CIA officers in Pakistan, Mounties in Canada, Border Patrol agents in Texas and National Guard soldiers in Puerto Rico.

Attorney General Janet Reno uses the words "partnership" and "coordination" in describing these changes. Rep. Harold Rogers (R-Ky.), chairman of the House Appropriations subcommittee that controls the Justice Department budget, prefers the concept of "seamlessness"; a pragmatic man, Rogers has insisted that the FBI and other Justice Department police agencies appear before him as a single group rather than present their budgets separately. Former attorney general Richard Thornburgh uses the phrase "federal law enforcement establishment" to describe where he sees the system going. In 1993, Vice President Gore went so far as to propose a merger of federal drug and firearms agents into the FBI, overseen by a new Cabinet post of director of law enforcement, a position that would be equivalent to the interior minister of many foreign governments. For his part, Freeh said in an interview late last month that he doubts the system "will ever be completely seamless or unified." Yet while some differences are sure to remain among the various agencies because of "very, very distinct missions," Freeh said, he also emphasized that greater cooperation is essential to combat new forms of crime.

Whatever the new system ends up being called, the trend toward consolidation is unmistakable. The argument in favor is that it will make federal law enforcement more efficient and effective, especially against diffuse post-Cold War threats such as terrorism and drug trafficking. Indeed, proponents of consolidation worry that it has not advanced far enough. Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.), chairman of the Senate Appropriations subcommittee that approves the FBI's budget, says that consolidation "is the most significant management issue that we have in federal law enforcement today," and that he wants to see more of it. He is supported by colleagues such as Specter, who said recently he thinks "that we are not doing nearly enough against terrorism and that we are really winking at it." Specter does worry, however, about whether "we [are] really able to handle all that's been given to the FBI."

The argument against consolidation is that it may create a concentration of federal police power at odds with American traditions -- power that, history suggests, might eventually be abused by an unscrupulous FBI director or elected president. The FBI "is a professional culture and a bureaucracy that has simply become too powerful," says Rep. Robert Barr Jr. (R-Ga.), who served as U.S. attorney in Atlanta from 1986 to 1990. "Federal law enforcement power far outweighs accountability." Freeh, too, has warned that "the FBI potentially could be the most dangerous institution in the United States" if its "awesome powers" are not held in check.

Freeh describes himself as striking a carefully considered balance as he shapes the FBI's future. America must improve and update its law enforcement capabilities while preserving constitutional liberties, he says. "The message I have gotten across -- I think I've gotten it across internally and externally -- is that we are not in the business of locking people up," Freeh said in the interview last month. "Our job just as importantly has to do with the protection of rights and liberties, with the exculpation of people who are innocent, with the protection of the confidentiality of our investigations so peoples' lives and reputations aren't ruined unfairly and unlawfully. And if we do that job well, the FBI's mission is a success. There's nothing about me or my directorship, if that's the right word, that in any way, shape or form advocates changing the Constitution, going to war against the Constitution, or anything like that."

Hardly anyone in Congress is worried that Freeh is going to abuse the power being handed him these days; if they worry at all, they tend to worry about who may come after Freeh, or what may occur in spite of him.

Notably, this change is occurring without much public debate, a fact that civil liberties groups attribute to the FBI's ability to drown out other voices, as well as the unwillingness of Congress to challenge the direction of the bureau's rapid growth. "Nobody has stepped forward with a principled, alternative vision to compete with the vision of the FBI," says James X. Dempsey, a former House Judiciary subcommittee staff lawyer who specializes in FBI issues.

The FBI's recent growth is a product of bipartisan political consensus, backed up at least implicitly by public opinion. The FBI remains an unusually popular police institution -- it can be harder to get a ticket to tour its Washington headquarters than to tour the White House. For their part, when politicians and the media evaluate the FBI these days, they tend not to refer to the buildup of its institutional role, but to normal Washington politics: Louis Freeh, in or out? Is the FBI "troubled" by scandal and poor management, or will it "rebound"?

In fact, recent FBI-related headlines chronicle real and serious matters: the Ruby Ridge affair, the chaos inside the bureau's forensic laboratory, and other important cases. Yet it could be argued that even the most significant of these pales in comparison with the structural decisions that Congress and the administration are making one dull, boring appropriations bill at a time.

Where, then, did this change come from? What is its structure? As the FBI grows and the United States develops a more integrated national police system, will its operations and culture adequately reflect the values of the Bill of Rights? When Louis Freeh completes his 10-year term in 2003, assuming he does, what will be the FBI's role in American society?

Some of the answers to those questions flow from three aspects of the FBI's ongoing expansion: the widening scope of its legal jurisdiction, the changing rules governing its investigations, and its growing relationship with the rest of the national security establishment.

The first large blessing of Freeh's career with the FBI was that, as a rookie agent in 1975, he was assigned to an organized-crime squad in New York. The FBI field office in Manhattan was then the true center of the FBI's operational universe, a place where agents went up against the major La Cosa Nostra crime families and the KGB. Agents had to push the limits of investigative technique just to stay even with their opponents. And it was that nexus that gave birth to key elements of Freeh's vision today.

Freeh was assigned to a squad supervised by Jim Kallstrom, an ex-Marine who liked to launch ambitious investigations and make creative use of electronic surveillance tools -- not only telephone taps, but room bugs, car bugs, even bugs hidden behind pictures in mob-run bars. Freeh worked undercover on a case code-named UNIRAC, for "union racketeering." It led eventually to the arrest of more than 100 corrupt union bosses, leg-breaking Mafiosi and bribe-paying shipping executives. Freeh's job was to pose as a crooked lawyer at the Shelton Health Club in Brooklyn, where he watched cash payoffs being exchanged amid the clanking of weight machines and the hiss of the steam room. The lessons of UNIRAC would define the next decade of FBI investigations: extensive intelligence-gathering, aggressive use of electronic surveillance, creative undercover ploys and the deployment of massive resources.

After becoming a federal prosecutor in 1981, Freeh directed large, sophisticated investigations, including the biggest Mafia drug case of its time, nicknamed the Pizza Connection, in which he coordinated the work of numerous law enforcement agencies and made extensive use of court-authorized wiretaps.

The investigative experiments in New York represented a major leap from the FBI of J. Edgar Hoover, which got a lot of press and managed its image deftly in Hollywood and on television, but did not have a lot of resources, in terms of either legal jurisdiction or investigative tools. Reorganized and renamed in 1935, Hoover's FBI struggled for years to define its place in an American justice system that emphasized state and local control over nearly all crime, from burglary to murder. Only gradually did the bureau, the Justice Department and the courts develop the idea of federal law enforcement jurisdiction over interstate crime, such as a stolen car driven across a state border -- "interstate transportation of stolen property," as the old FBI television show put it so grandly. Nowadays, the image of dark-suited FBI agents turning up only when some thief has been foolish enough to flee across a state border is outmoded.

In many ways, the modern expansion of FBI jurisdiction dates to the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 -- it was the law that gave rise to Freeh's UNIRAC case, among many others. Congress hoped it would help win the then-raging battle against organized-crime families. The law made wiretaps legal and bolstered the powers of federal grand juries. By the 1970s, it and similar laws had fostered the rise of large federal organized crime strike forces in New York and elsewhere. Along with innovative "sting" investigations such as ABSCAM, the famous 1980 political corruption case, and complex FBI investigations of civil rights abuses in the South, these changes signaled new thinking about the scale and character of American federal policing.

After UNIRAC, Freeh spent several months in 1981 helping then-Sen. Sam Nunn (D-Ga.) run a series of high-profile Senate hearings, titled "Waterfront Corruption," that highlighted the investigative techniques used in New York. Then-FBI Director William Webster cited "gaps" in the federal laws and said that the public's rising fear of crime "means to me the American people are ready to support congressional efforts to create a more effective criminal justice system."

"I think the climate is right," Nunn agreed, and helped ensure it was. In the months and years that followed, he used the Waterfront testimony to win approval for anti-crime legislation that lavished new powers on federal law enforcement. "It was sort of impossible for a legislator to vote against those things in the wake of the hearings," recalls Marty Steinberg, a former Organized Crime Strike Force chief who was then chief counsel to the Senate permanent subcommittee on investigations, on which Nunn was ranking Democrat. Freeh, Steinberg says, "became a role model for the swing of the pendulum, basically in creating a more sophisticated law enforcement approach."

Dozens of other hearings were organized in Congress on emerging national crime problems. First the Reagan administration and then the Bush and Clinton administrations produced packages of comprehensive crime bills. In 1984, 1986, 1988, 1990 and 1994 Congress passed thick tomes that carpeted nearly all of criminal law with federal jurisdiction.

Freeh's own first big legislative victory as director was the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act of 1994, which will eventually facilitate the use of court-authorized wiretaps on new digital phone systems. In the years since, Congress has passed other important laws on the bureau's agenda. The Economic Espionage Act opened a new FBI avenue for trade-related investigations overseas. The Aviation Security and Antiterrorism Act gave the FBI new jurisdiction over airport security. The Combating Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction Act created a new FBI role in dealing with chemical and biological attacks. The Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act established the FBI's worldwide investigative jurisdiction over the federal crime of terrorism.

Besides all this, the FBI was taking on a larger role in such matters as environmental crime, health care fraud, telemarketing fraud, chasing down deadbeat fathers, even carjacking. Its role in drug enforcement has expanded to the point that the FBI now has more personnel devoted to drug enforcement than the DEA's entire work force.

As Webster had done at the Waterfront hearings, Freeh has continually emphasized that the growth he seeks will make the nation stronger -- and the public more secure. "I am an advocate for the public safety of the American people," he declared at a 1994 congressional hearing.

Of course, implicit in the support Freeh has won is a viewpoint that many Americans find acceptable today, but which would have been highly contentious only 20 years ago: The FBI can be trusted.

On November 1, 1995, FBI headquarters sent to its field offices a teletype that described a new Justice Department memorandum about what are known to the initiated as the Attorney General's Guidelines on General Crimes, Racketeering Enterprise and Domestic Security/Terrorism Investigations.

According to a copy obtained by The Washington Post, the teletype declared: "The guidelines provide that any lawful investigative technique may be used in a preliminary inquiry with only three narrow exceptions: mail covers [monitoring personal mail], mail openings and non-consensual electronic surveillance . . . Indeed, with appropriate approval, a preliminary inquiry may include the development and operation of new sources or informants, or even `the planting of undercover agents in the [suspected] organization.' "

Behind those bureaucratic sentences lies another recent and remarkable chapter in the FBI's expansion. It involves a decades-old struggle over the rules that regulate the scope of FBI counterterrorism investigations.

In 1975, a congressional committee led by Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) investigated the conduct of the CIA, the National Security Agency, the Army's Domestic Surveillance Program and J. Edgar Hoover's FBI and found that all of them had engaged, during the 1960s and earlier, in unconstitutional spying on political dissidents in the United States -- operations that included illegal wiretapping of telephones, burglary of homes and undercover efforts to disrupt political activity. The Church committee exposed the FBI's darkest domestic spying secrets. Most notably, under an FBI program code-named COINTELPRO, the bureau had sought to disrupt the civil rights movement, the antiwar movement and the women's liberation movement under the theory that all three posed grave threats to American national security.

The Church committee proposed reforms designed to ensure that these abuses would never be repeated. Congress enacted a new law, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, to govern spying on foreign agents or international terrorists. It also proposed a charter for the FBI, essentially a formal, congressionally enacted rule book for the bureau. Clarence Kelley, FBI director at the time, supported the idea, as did his successor, William Webster.

But Congress failed to pass the FBI charter, adjourning amid political disagreements over its details. Instead, the Justice Department produced on its own the Attorney General's Guidelines. The guidelines came in two parts. A classified set covered foreign counterintelligence and international terrorism cases and gave the FBI wide berth, under the supervision of a secret court, to use aggressive measures. An unclassified set governed domestic security investigations, that is, probes of groups that might resort to violence for political or social reasons. These unclassified guidelines were more restrictive, and generally required the FBI to focus on developing criminal cases, instead of broadly monitoring political groups that raised the FBI's suspicions. Initially, the FBI interpreted the guidelines as even banning the collection of public statements by political activists. Cautious in the immediate aftermath of the Church hearings, the FBI at this stage interpreted First Amendment protections very broadly and was reluctant to open investigations based on comments by political activists unless the comments threatened very specific acts of violence.

In 1983, the Reagan administration's first attorney general, William French Smith, facing a rise in terrorism incidents, revised the domestic guidelines to allow the FBI broader intelligence-gathering discretion regarding suspected terrorist groups. He also simplified the system by declaring that domestic terrorism investigations could be handled just like any criminal or racketeering case. Smith's rules made it clear that the FBI could readily gather intelligence and monitor the statements of a group whose activities raised "reasonable indications" of criminal wrongdoing. The goal of these investigations was to get a fix on a group's size, its membership and its propensity for violence.

Under the looser Smith guidelines in the '80s, the FBI had great success against terrorists. The bureau hammered down the rate of domestic political violence to virtually nil and estimates that it prevented more than 50 planned terrorism attacks. Yet Freeh and others felt that the terrorism threats that emerged in that decade had not been completely eliminated -- and that in any event, the guidelines, even as implemented under Smith, unnecessarily hindered FBI investigations.

In the aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing, Freeh publicly declared himself a critic:

"For two decades, the FBI has been at an extreme disadvantage with regard to domestic groups which advocate violence," he said in a written statement submitted to Congress on April 27, 1995. "We have no intelligence or background information on them until their violent talk becomes deadly action. I do not support broad and undefined intelligence-collection efforts -- but law enforcement has to know something about those individuals and groups advocating deadly violence in the furtherance of their causes."

That November, after months of behind-the-scenes work within the Justice Department, the FBI was able to send its teletype to its field offices describing the newest Justice Department interpretation of the domestic security guidelines.

The teletype affirmed that FBI agents should now feel comfortable in being more aggressive in their preliminary domestic investigations -- and not just of groups. "Now we can take a look at individuals," is how Robert M. Blitzer, head of the FBI's domestic counterterrorism section, described this change in an interview. Freeh's summation: "We just said that the guidelines allow you to open more cases -- but they are all cases that are predicated by somebody willing and about to violate one of our criminal statutes." The FBI's internal system for overseeing investigations to ensure their constitutionality would remain unchanged. But the result of the teletype was that, within the existing oversight system, agents could now use virtually all methods available -- including planting informants and using undercover agents. The only exceptions were opening mail and conducting electronic surveillance, which required court approval. This green light has since been backed up by $369 million in counterterrorism funding that will pay for 1,913 new positions, including 775 new FBI agents and hundreds of intelligence analysts, surveillance specialists, technicians and linguists.

As a result, the number of open domestic security investigations has risen from approximately 100 in 1995 to more than 800. The basic change, FBI officials say, reflects a greater number of investigations of suspect individuals, as opposed to groups.

There have been other recent changes affecting FBI investigative rules. In 1995, Congress agreed to a long-standing FBI request that it be allowed to install intelligence databases in the National Crime Information Center, the system police officers query from their patrol cars to check for arrest warrants. For more than two decades, the NCIC had been limited to official criminal records, on the theory that including less formal investigative data about alleged terrorists or gang members would lead to mistaken arrests. Last year, in authorizing investigations of U.S. citizens who support foreign groups deemed by the secretary of state to be involved in terrorism, Congress revoked an earlier law that prohibited such probes if they were triggered by lawful First Amendment conduct.

Civil libertarians see these sorts of changes as Freeh's largest blind spot. "The last time we saw national security being used as the rationale for FBI law enforcement investigation in this country was in the '50s and '60s when the FBI spied on and harassed millions of Americans because of their politics," says Kate Martin, director of the Center for National Security Studies. "There were a whole set of rules adopted in response to those abuses, and now the FBI is trying to weaken those rules, again in the name of national security, this time combating terrorism instead of communism."

Freeh said in the interview last month that the recent rise in terrorism "is not consistent with us applying a conservative approach" to fighting it. Nonetheless, he said, he takes offense at any suggestion "that this director or any director of the FBI is looking to amend the Constitution, abridge civil rights, abridge civil liberties or somehow use new technologies or new law enforcement partnerships to overrun the Bill of Rights."

Senior Justice Department officials argue that a critical difference between today and the earlier period of FBI abuses is the more formal oversight of FBI domestic security operations by Justice lawyers. "I consider it my job" to ensure that civil liberties are not violated, Attorney General Reno said in an interview, "and so far nobody's pointed out to me where we have failed."

The changes at the FBI do not only involve amending old rules and widening jurisdiction. The agency is also interweaving itself with the rest of the national security establishment.

One example can be found each weekday morning at FBI headquarters, where Army Col. John J. Ellis reports for duty in plainclothes. In his back pocket are FBI credentials, which get him through security and then down the long, antiseptic corridors to the FBI's new counterterrorism center, where Ellis serves as a deputy section chief.

Ellis had served most recently as the Pentagon's director of counterterrorism in the Office of Special Operations and Low Intensity Conflict. Pressing for his appointment, Freeh said in a letter to then- Secretary of Defense William Perry that he wanted to include "personnel from the DOD and other key agencies in operational and analytical components" at the FBI.

That dry phrase signals another profound change underway at the FBI: the creation, with strong support from Congress and the Clinton administration, of a unified system of intelligence-gathering that blends top-of-the-line federal law enforcement, military, civilian intelligence and local police resources.

The FBI's counterterrorism center, which became fully operational last July, is the physical expression of this change -- a kind of Grand Central Station for domestic and international intelligence-gathering. "I think this is the wave of the future," Ellis says of his particular mission, which involves a partnership between the Defense Department and the FBI. Acknowledging the FBI's preeminent role in such partnerships, he adds, "The one federal agency I guarantee has one person in every community is, in almost every case, the bureau." Preeminent, yes, but far from alone: Analysts from no fewer than 16 agencies -- including the CIA and the National Security Agency, which conducts global electronic eavesdropping -- also work at the counterterrorism center. These analysts, including one with access to the CIA's vast foreign networks, man special computers that can reach back into their home agencies' intelligence databases and pull up information for the FBI.

With more than 100 staff members, the center is the hub for a much larger FBI-led counterterrorism bureaucracy that reaches major U.S. cities through a network of 13 Joint Terrorism Task Forces, where agents and local police detectives gather intelligence on political activists of all kinds who might be inclined toward violence.

During the first Reagan administration, Congress enacted legislation allowing the Pentagon to provide assistance to domestic drug enforcement agencies, and the CIA was directed by executive order to collect foreign intelligence on international terrorists and drug traffickers. In recent years, the Pentagon's counter-drug operations acquired a permanent infrastructure, and military intelligence analysts became a significant force within federal law enforcement.

Running parallel to this was Freeh's bid, begun soon after he took office, to expand the FBI's presence overseas. In May 1994 -- during a hearing before the Senate Governmental Affairs permanent subcommittee on investigations, where Nunn was then chairman -- Freeh argued that Russian organized crime was a threat to national security. That testimony provided an impetus for Freeh's successful campaign to win new FBI jurisdiction over transnational crimes and to establish 23 new FBI offices around the world.

Along with these and other legislative developments, Freeh advocated using White House executive authority to draw the CIA more fully into the FBI's institutional framework. In 1994, after the Aldrich Ames spy case, the FBI won from Clinton language in Presidential Decision Directive 24 that puts the FBI in charge of the CIA's National Counter- Intelligence Center and orders that an FBI executive manage the counterespionage group at CIA headquarters. Subsequently, Presidential Decision Directive 39 ordered the Clinton Cabinet to "integrate the roles of all pertinent federal agencies in a comprehensive, pro-active" counterterrorism program and named the FBI as the "lead" investigative agency.

What does all this blending of military, intelligence and federal law enforcement resources portend?

Civil libertarians argue that Freeh is taking the FBI into the future by reaching back to a model that is 30 years old. In 1967, rattled by social eruptions ranging from the marches led by Martin Luther King Jr. to the public demonstrations of the antiwar movement, J. Edgar Hoover created at FBI headquarters a special unit that was the predecessor of the counterterrorism center. It was called the Inter-division Information Unit or IDIU. Using a big new computer, the unit took in all domestic intelligence gathered by such federal entities as the National Security Agency, as well as by dozens of local police intelligence units.

The Church committee summarized the result in its final report: "Beginning in 1967-1968, the IDIU was the focal point of a massive domestic intelligence apparatus established in response to ghetto riots, militant black rhetoric, antiwar protests and campus disruptions. Through IDIU, the attorney general received the benefit of information gathered by numerous agencies, without setting limits to intelligence reporting or providing clear policy guidance . . . resulting in excessive collection of information about law- abiding citizens." A key reform of the Church committee era was to reject the IDIU and to resurrect the legal wall that separated the FBI's domestic law enforcement work from the military and the intelligence community.

"Historically in America, there has been a general principle that the military should not be involved in civilian law enforcement," noted a 1995 report by a House Judiciary subcommittee. Moreover, the National Security Act of 1947 prohibited the CIA from having any police or internal security function. "There was a concern about creating a monolithic central security service," a House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence report said last year. For better or for worse, both of these institutional fire walls have now been significantly eroded.

Freeh sees all these changes as a natural and necessary evolution of federal policing in response to serious threats. As he said in a speech delivered not long after the Oklahoma City bombing, "We do not have a civil liberties crisis in America. Nor are we under siege by enemies, domestic or foreign. Americans do not have to make a choice now between safety or freedom . . .

"But at the same time," he continued, "we have not spent over 200 years carrying out history's most successful experiment in liberty to have it destroyed by crime, fear and terrorists."

Such are Louis Freeh's good intentions, that much seems clear. Where the road they pave will lead is a murkier question.

[NOTES]:

Jim McGee is a reporter on The Post's Investigative staff and the coauthor, with Brian Duffy, of the 1996 book Main Justice: The Men and Women Who Enforce Our Nation's Criminal Laws and Guard Its Liberties.

@CAPTION: Sen. Frank Church in 1975, when his committee exposed FBI and other government abuses and proposed reforms to ensure that they would never be repeated.

@CAPTION: In the '60s, the FBI sought to disrupt peaceful marchers and violent radical leftists alike, on the theory that they posed threats to national security. Above, Martin Luther King Jr. leads a 1965 civil rights rally. Right, a Black Panther protest in 1968.

@CAPTION: The FBI Academy is one of the law enforcement institutions being endowed with new funding under Director Louis Freeh's administration. In these photographs, prospective field agents undergo training at the academy in Quantico.

@CAPTION: Freeh's vision at work: The FBI's counterterrorism center, far left photos, is a kind of Grand Central Station for domestic and international intelligence-gathering. It became fully operational last July. The bureau's fingerprint lab, near left photos, and DNA lab, below and right, at the Washington headquarters are being upgraded.

@CAPTION: In the lobby of the FBI building on Pennsylvania Avenue hangs a portrait of J. Edgar Hoover, the bureau's director for almost 50 years.

? Copyright 1997 The Washington Post Company

Press 1 for English, Press 2 for English, Press 3 for deportation

Uncle Bill  posted on  2017-10-14   19:26:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: noone222 (#1)

If recovered bullets show only being fired from shooters weapons, what happens???

Hospitals dug them out, they were not "planted".

Cynicom  posted on  2017-10-14   20:44:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#5)

If recovered bullets show only being fired from shooters weapons, what happens???

You mean after a public announcement of the results are made? Shouldn't they know by now?

Ada  posted on  2017-10-14   20:59:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Uncle Bill (#4)

the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, the worst act of domestic terrorism in U.S. history.

The Murrah Building was supposed to be a total collapse. But charges on some of the columns did not go off. So they call in the bomb squad to defuse the charges.

Who knows about McVeigh and what he was up to in all this. He may have been a patsy too. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2017-10-14   22:06:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: BTP Holdings (#3)

A lot of folks are wondering why or when video tapes will be released of the shooting from casino cameras, hotels, parking lots, traffic, commercial properties, etc. They won't be. They never do.


BOMBS EVERYWHERE

Destroy the evidence:

FBI Agent Posed as White Supremicist for 14 Years (Tied to OKC Bombing)

The Oklahoma City Bombing - Glenn and Kathy Wilburn - Links

"In summing up, the Inspector General's report found that the FBI crime labs had "repeatedly reached conclusions that incriminated the defendants without scientific basis" in the Oklahoma bombing case. I find this quite staggering. In Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence, shared by Britain and America, it is not acceptable to shape the crime to fit the suspect. It is a practice we condemn as "framing." I do not understand why the current director of the FBI is still drawing a paycheck from the U.S. taxpayer after a scandal of this magnitude, especially since he permitted the retaliatory harassment of Dr. Frederick Whitehurst, the chief whistle-blower."
THE SECRET LIFE OF BILL CLINTON - Ambrose Evans-Pritchard.

JOE HARP AFFIDAVIT

Tiff any Bible affidavit

This report on the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City was prepared by Brigadier General Benton K. Partin, USAF (Ret.) and dated July 30, 1995:

CONCLUSION - "The Murrah Federal Building was not destroyed by one sole truck bomb. The major factor in its destruction appears to have been detonation of explosives carefully placed at four critical junctures on supporting columns within the building.

FULL REPORT

The FBI Blows Up FBI Building

TWA Flight 800:

MSNBC and the missing videotape

TUESDAY - FEBRUARY 15, 2005

"As Rosenbaum explained, he had been interviewing a candidate for a position as BNN's technical director at a rooftop cafe when an airplane passed overhead. The conversation moved naturally to airplanes and then, with Rosenbaum taking the lead, to TWA Flight 800.

"I've seen the video," said the candidate, who had until recently been working at MSNBC.

"You mean 'Silenced'?" said Rosenbaum, a little surprised.

"No," the candidate answered, "the video, the actual video of the plane being shot down."

As the candidate told Rosenbaum, late on the night of the crash, editors at MSNBC had the tape on their monitors when "three men in suits" came to their editing suites, removed the tape, and threatened the editors with serious consequences if they ever revealed its contents."


Fox News - 911 The Israeli Connection


NOTE: Dr. Alan Sabrosky, Former Director of Studies at the US Army War College says that after studying the facts surrounding 9/11 he is 100% certain that Israel did it

85 VIDEOS SEIZED BY FBI

Destroy the evidence:


Waco Rules of Engagement

WACO - A New Revelation


"I think you all know that I've always felt the nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help."
Ronald Reagan - Source

Press 1 for English, Press 2 for English, Press 3 for deportation

Uncle Bill  posted on  2017-10-14   22:23:31 ET  (7 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Uncle Bill (#8)

Brigadier General Benton K. Partin, USAF (Ret.)

When I saw this name it rang a bell deep inside me from years gone by. The meningitis is slowly wearing off and my memory is starting to return, albeit slowly. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2017-10-14   22:33:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

Vegas Security Guard Jesus Campos Checked Into Clinic Minutes Before Interviews

Mandalay Bay security guard, Jesus Campos, was supposed to appear on Sean Hannity’s show at 9pm est tonight but canceled on the Fox News host.




REVEALED: Vegas Security Guard Jesus Campos Checked Into Clinic Minutes Before Interviews
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Mandalay Bay security guard, Jesus Campos, was supposed to appear on Sean Hannity’s show at 9pm est tonight but canceled on the Fox News host.

“How come @seanhannity didn’t run the #JesusCampos interview tonight?,” tweeted reporter Laura Loomer.

And now this…

On Thursday night investigative journalist Laura Loomer paid a second home visit to Jesus Campos’s home in Las Vegas.
The family of Jesus Campos is under a gag order.

Why? This is a security guard who was reportedly shot by a madman.
Why would his family be silenced.
This entire investigation is a complete mystery.

Investigative journalist Mike Tokes visited the Campos home on Thursday night. He confirmed the family is under a gag order.

On Saturday, a representative for Campos revealed the hotel security guard checked into a clinic moments before he was set to speak to the media about the Las Vegas Massacre.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/revealed-vegas-security-guard-jesus-campos-checked-clinic-minutes-interviews/

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2017-10-14   23:13:33 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#10)

A story with a dead URL (CNN international) is making the rounds on Faceberg saying he is the 2nd shooter.


"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2017-10-15   0:56:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Uncle Bill (#8)

Thanks for reminding us that our memories are short and our patience way too long !

noone222  posted on  2017-10-15   7:15:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Rotara (#11)

Oh yes, how Americans do love being bullshitted !

noone222  posted on  2017-10-15   7:16:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Ada (#6)

You mean after a public announcement of the results are made? Shouldn't they know by now?

Not really.

If bullets recovered by doctors, show ONLY one or two weapons, were used by the bad guy, how will that equate with what "witnesses" say were multiple shooters?

Then of course, the doubters will say the doctors were in on the entire scam.

Cynicom  posted on  2017-10-15   9:35:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom (#14)

If bullets recovered by doctors, show ONLY one or two weapons, were used by the bad guy, how will that equate with what "witnesses" say were multiple shooters?

=====================================

That, and plus there were literally 20,000 witnesses, out of which there should be AT LEAST several thousand who can confirm if there were MULTIPLE shooters or not.

I know for sure if I had been there and survived it, I would be able to tell which directions the fire was coming from and if there was more than one source.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2017-10-15   9:43:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#15)

Some people look for long shadows at high noon.

No help for them.

Cynicom  posted on  2017-10-15   10:01:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Cynicom (#14)

If bullets recovered by doctors, show ONLY one or two weapons, were used by the bad guy, how will that equate with what "witnesses" say were multiple shooters?

It would create doubt that there were multiple shooters and give weight to the explanation that what seemed to be multiple shooters was actually echoes.

Of course, the FBI lab has a poor record, so perhaps the doctors should be allowed to speak out as to what they found.

Ada  posted on  2017-10-15   10:38:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Cynicom (#16)

There is an avalanche of credible witness report of gunfire from multiple location in addition testimony of attacks at at least five other hotels.

Anyone with a set of ears can hear the report of different weapons being fired at the same time on dozens of cell phone videos recorded on the night in question.

You know something is screwy when the lone nut shooter is ID'd within an hour of the event. That's SOP & the gummint story changes daily.

It ain't rocket science to recognize that something stinks here.

Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded. - James Madison

randge  posted on  2017-10-15   10:54:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: randge (#18)

something stinks here.

Definitely. Something is rotten in Denmark. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2017-10-15   11:26:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: randge (#18)

It ain't rocket science to recognize that something stinks here.

True...

However a sense of balance has to be maintained.

Cynicom  posted on  2017-10-15   12:44:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Cynicom (#20)

a sense of balance has to be maintained

Hard to maintain, Cyni.

There's a lot of dead folks and the bullshit meter has spiked.

Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded. - James Madison

randge  posted on  2017-10-15   14:40:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: randge (#21)

There's a lot of dead folks and the bullshit meter has spiked.

I agree.

What helps hide a criminal conspiracy is the false cloud that appears on its own, after the fact. The masses become so confused, they believe nothing and anything at the same time.

Indulge me a moment.

Many long years ago a college professor demonstrated such a condition.

During class, the door flies open, two poorly dressed ruffians burst into the classroom. berate the professor about something and then leave. After quiet is resumed, prof asks students write down and discuss what they saw and heard. One student, in on the operation, mentions the third man in a red hat standing just outside the door.

Several students describe the red hat man in detail.

There was no third man in a red hat standing just outside the door, during the short three minute melee.

Cynicom  posted on  2017-10-15   15:24:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Cynicom (#22)

There was no third man in a red hat standing just outside the door, during the short three minute melee.

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;>)

I wasn't there, but many were, and if there were 'multiple shooter' it would be impossible with all the witnesses not to keep from DEMANDING that specific evidence (as they witnessed it) be made public.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2017-10-15   21:17:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#23)

The bullets found in the victims by the doctors and catalogued, will tell how many weapons invovled.

To a lesser degree doctors can testify as to the trajectory of bullets in victims.

Of course all of the doctors could be on this thing?????

Cynicom  posted on  2017-10-15   21:57:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Cynicom (#24)

The bullets found in the victims by the doctors and catalogued, will tell how many weapons invovled.

To a lesser degree doctors can testify as to the trajectory of bullets in victims.

Of course all of the doctors could be on this thing?????

======================================

THAT seems perfectly logical, but who thinks with logic in these things. We know for sure this was a demented and one of the worst manifestations of evil ever seen on US soil.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

http://www.trunews.com/article/three-eyewitness-accounts-which-challenge-las-vegas-timeline

Among the numerous eyewitness accounts shared since the Las Vegas massacre, many do not fit the official timeline, and some even present conflicting reports of multiple shooters, before, during and after the attack

VERO BEACH, FL (TruNews) The following three eyewitness testimonies have been recorded and shared by both local reporters and independent journalists, but little is known about the extent of inquiry the FBI and the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department (LVMPD) have taken to investigate these claims.

The first is an account by a Las Vegas resident named Stephanie, and was recorded this past Sunday by independent journalists Jason Goodman and Laura Loomer.

Stephanie was inside the concert area when the massacre began, and claims she heard a single shot go out before the main volley of gunfire and that she saw the women who was hit by that round.

If a single shot was fired by the lead suspect, Steven Paddock, prior to the audible beginning of what appeared to be near-automatic gunfire on the crowd, this may alter the official timeline for when the shooting began, which is currently being reported as 10:05 p.m. by officials.

Also, pending the release of ballistic findings by the FBI, this may indicate a different weapon was used to begin the onslaught by either Paddock or a separate gunman.

The second account is from a Canadian man named Jeff, and was recorded on Sunday, October 8th by the producers of a podcast called “The Confessionals."

Jeff was in Las Vegas with his wife on the night of the shooting and recounted hearing gunshots after 11:10 p.m. while inside the Bellagio Conservatory & Botanical Gardens.

If gunshots were fired near the Bellagio hotel after 11:10 p.m., this would indicate that another lone gunman, or a separate squad of assailants, were operating in tandem, or separately, with Steven Paddock’s attack.

If the time of the alleged attack is correct, this alters the official timeline of events for October 1st because the shooting would have occurred 55 minutes after authorities report Steven Paddock stopped shooting from his 32nd floor Mandalay Bay hotel room.

The last account is from a Springfield, Colorado resident named Brianna Hendricks, and was recorded at 12:30 a.m. on Monday October 2nd.

Ms. Hendricks had traveled to Las Vegas with her mother to celebrate her 21st birthday and recounted hearing a hispanic women warn the concert crowd that everyone was going to die approximately 45 minutes before shooting.

Since her statements that night, Ms. Hendricks has walked back her assertion that the women was threatening the whole crowd, and now instead contents that the unknown hispanic women was directing her threat at a single women in the crowd.

In an interview with Buzzfeed, Damon Zumwalt, the CEO of the company, Contemporary Services Corporation (CSC),  which was in charge of security for the Route 19 Harvest concert , claimed the initials reports surrounding this account were false.

Neither have contended however that it is false that the women yelled, “you’re going to die,” amid a crowd which would 45 minutes later become the victims to the largest mass shooting in U.S. History.

Ms. Hendricks and her mother also still maintain that the episode prompted their earlier departure from the concert, approximately 10-15 minutes before the mass shooting began.

Ultimately all these accounts should be easy to validate by the countless hours of high definition footage recorded that night by the tens of thousands of cameras installed along the Las Vegas strip.

This invaluable footage has since been undoubtably gathered and catalogued by the DHS threat fusion center operating at the center of the Las Vegas, the Southern Nevada Counter Terrorism Center (SNCTC), and should be made available to the public if investigators lack the man power, or will, to properly review it.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2017-10-17   11:09:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Cynicom (#5)

If recovered bullets show only being fired from shooters weapons, what happens???

Hospitals dug them out, they were not "planted".

The media and government have lost me as one able to trust "anything" they report. Sources reporting on this and most every event of national relevance that depend upon the government licensing them are under threat of having that license suspended or revoked and cannot be trusted, in my opinion.

noone222  posted on  2017-10-19   6:51:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: noone222 (#26)

Many long years ago, family member was journalist for a major newspaper chain. On her own, expense account etc etc.

After five years, quit took a job as a office manager making less money, no travel etc etc.

Why???

She refused to go along with "editors" rewriting stories with a slant, no matter nature of content.

Cynicom  posted on  2017-10-19   11:12:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Cynicom (#27)

She refused to go along with "editors" rewriting stories with a slant, no matter nature of content.

Good for her ! There are still some that won't be coerced or bribed !!!

noone222  posted on  2017-10-19   12:07:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Rotara, HAPPY2BME-4UM (#11)

re: HAPPY2BME-4UM's comments in #18 above and Rotara's

" A story with a dead URL (CNN international) is making the rounds on Faceberg saying he is the 2nd shooter. "

I started watching a video this morning:

"Security Guard JESUS CAMPOS Exposed: "Hero or Shooter"?

Campos was a security guard for only one day at the Mandalay Bay....and not registered with the hotel or the State....

stateofthenation2012.com/?p=86457

It's an hour and a half long, and I am only 21 minutes of it but so far highly recommend it.

NOTE to anyone. Someone posted a picture, supposedly of Paddock lying in a pool of blood in the hotel. I doubt it was Paddock. For one thing he looked too young even without the beard AND the pic of Paddock with his Filipino girlfriend showed him with a tattooed "13" on his neck. The guy lying in the pool of blood had no tattoo.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2017-10-19   14:38:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#25)

The second account is from a Canadian man named Jeff, and was recorded on Sunday, October 8th by the producers of a podcast called “The Confessionals."

Jeff was in Las Vegas with his wife on the night of the shooting and recounted hearing gunshots after 11:10 p.m. while inside the Bellagio Conservatory & Botanical Gardens.

If gunshots were fired near the Bellagio hotel after 11:10 p.m., this would indicate that another lone gunman, or a separate squad of assailants, were operating in tandem, or separately, with Steven Paddock’s attack.

I saw a video several days ago, probably at least 15 minutes long of a woman in the Bellagio Hotel, walking and filming herself at the same time as she walked through the hotel, talking about the shooting in THAT hotel. At one point she walked through some double doors into the night and security guards or police turned her back. People were sitting on the floor in small groups in what appeared to be the lobby. I am not sure she knew yet what had happened at the Mandalay..she just kept talking about the Bellagio. I haven't been able to put my hands on the video yet.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2017-10-19   14:50:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#30) (Edited)

search at bing.com: " bellagio hotel shooter youtube"

THIS IS THE ONE...not 15 minutes [guess it only seemed that long]...only about 5 minutes....

"EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT AT BELLAGIO: Simultaneous Shooting Along With Mandalay

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edit: DIRECT LINK to video www.youtube.com/watch?v=-azkXWZhsmU

here's one of her giving interview after the fact:

www.youtube.com/watch? v=4tae2N_Nqgs

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2017-10-19   15:03:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#25)

If a single shot was fired by the lead suspect, Steven Paddock, prior to the audible beginning of what appeared to be near-automatic gunfire on the crowd, this may alter the official timeline for when the shooting began, which is currently being reported as 10:05 p.m. by officials.

Also, pending the release of ballistic findings by the FBI, this may indicate a different weapon was used to begin the onslaught by either Paddock or a separate gunman.

The second account is from a Canadian man named Jeff, and was recorded on Sunday, October 8th by the producers of a podcast called “The Confessionals."

Jeff was in Las Vegas with his wife on the night of the shooting and recounted hearing gunshots after 11:10 p.m. while inside the Bellagio Conservatory & Botanical Gardens.

If gunshots were fired near the Bellagio hotel after 11:10 p.m., this would indicate that another lone gunman, or a separate squad of assailants, were operating in tandem, or separately, with Steven Paddock’s attack.

If the time of the alleged attack is correct, this alters the official timeline of events for October 1st because the shooting would have occurred 55 minutes after authorities report Steven Paddock stopped shooting from his 32nd floor Mandalay Bay hotel room.

she said it was about 11:10-11:20 that she heard the gunfire, and people started stampeding into the Bellagio....she is saying now she had no clue what had happened at the Mandalay

Later she heard sheriff on radio talking about Mandalay and not talking about the Bellagio...her husband was in Marines for 23 years...when they heard the shooting he threw her down and jumped on top of her.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2017-10-19   15:20:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#29)

Hmmm


"Define yourself as one beloved by God. This is the true self. Every other identity is illusion."—Brennan Manning

Rotara  posted on  2017-10-19   17:13:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

There was certainly more than one shooter in Las Vegas. And now the witnesses are starting to disappear.

this might be another one....

Witnesses to Las Vegas Massacre being ‘Erased’?

By Ian Greenhalgh -

October 20, 2017

"..Following on from the tragic death of Kymberley Suchomel, we have another Las Vegas related incident that appears suspicious.

Chad Nishimura, a valet employed by the Mandalay Bay appears to have disappeared, his internet presence scrubbed; the apparent reason being that he gave an interview to a Hawaiian news outlet that mentioned some things that do not fit the official narrative of the lone gunman on the 32nd floor. That interview has also been scrubbed, but is still available and can be read below....

A Mandalay Bay valet, who parked Stephen Paddock’s car when he checked in, has mysteriously disappeared after giving an interview to mainstream media in which he insisted the suspected shooter was “a normal guy” and “didn’t have many bags.“

Chad Nishimura, a long term employee of Mandalay Bay, gave the interview to Moanike’ala Nabarro, a reporter for Hawaiian ABC affiliate, KITV4 News.

The article has now been deleted from the KITV4 News website after it appeared to go against the “official narrative” that “lone wolf” gunman Paddock managed to smuggle enough guns for a small army into his hotel suite completely unnoticed by staff or security personnel monitoring the hotel’s CCTV.

KITV4 have so far refused to explain why their article was suddenly scrubbed from their website, or if they were acting under outside orders.

Nishimura, a Hawaii native, has also completely vanished since the report was published, and all of his social media accounts have been deleted from the internet.

If it wasn’t for the archived interview with KITV4 News Hawaii, accessible after a little digging on archive.org, it would be as if Nishimura never existed.

Friends and colleagues say the valet has been “totally unreachable for days” since shortly after the 1 October attack that left 59 dead and hundreds more injured.

The KITV4 interview offered a very different perspective on the shooting compared to the content being produced by most mainstream media outlets. By interviewing somebody who actually met Stephen Paddock, the interview provided real insight into the event.

Nishimura told the ABC affiliate that Paddock “seemed normal” and, most tellingly, that he “didn’t have any bags with him upon arrival.“...."

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/10/20/witnesses-to-las-vegas-massacre-being- erased/

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2017-10-20   19:53:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#34)

Nishimura told the ABC affiliate that Paddock “seemed normal” and, most tellingly, that he “didn’t have any bags with him upon arrival.“...."

It could be that all those guns were planted with the intention to incite the anti-gun crowd into more breast beating and wailing about, "If it only saves one life."

We have heard that BS from them for long enough, as we heard them whine and wail in Arlington Heights, Illinois in 1985. ;)

articles.chicagotribune.com/1985-04-03/news/8501180864_1_ban- handguns-handgun-ban-vote

I lived there at the time. When the vote results were tallied, a couple of the guys on the committee got drunk and put a "For Sale" sign in front of the woman's house that started it all. ROTFLMAO!

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2017-10-20   22:30:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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