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Title: Honoring the Fallen
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URL Source: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/12 ... e-m-vance/honoring-the-fallen/
Published: Dec 5, 2017
Author: Laurence M. Vance
Post Date: 2017-12-05 09:27:35 by Ada
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Views: 114
Comments: 16

“When men hire themselves out to shoot other men to order, asking nothing about the justice of their cause, I don’t care if they are shot themselves.” ~ Herbert Spencer

On a recent flight to Boston with a layover in Baltimore, I witnessed, firsthand, and in living color, American military idolatry in action like I have never seen before.

I was just beginning to wonder why boarding was being delayed for my flight to Boston when a Southwest agent announced over the PA system the reason why. Turns out that the body of a dead U.S. serviceman was being loaded on my plane in Baltimore for the trip to Boston.

Some passengers began looking out the airport windows to get a glimpse of what was taking place. I kept reading LewRockwell.com on my phone.

The agent requested that everyone stand and observe a moment of silence while the body of a “fallen hero” was loaded on to the plane. I kept reading LewRockwell.com on my phone.

The agent said is was a “solemn honor and privilege” to transport the remains of a “proud patriot.” I kept reading LewRockwell.com on my phone.

Most of the passengers stood in silence and looked out the windows. I kept reading LewRockwell.com on my phone.

I noticed that some of the passengers looked like they were about to cry. I kept reading LewRockwell.com on my phone.

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The agent explained that when we arrived in Boston no one would be allowed off the plane until the serviceman’s remains were removed from the plane with full military honors. I kept reading LewRockwell.com on my phone.

The agent asked the passengers to maintain a spirit of reverence during the flight. I kept reading LewRockwell.com on my phone.

After a delay of about 15 or 20 minutes, we were able to board the flight to Boston. I have never been on such a quiet airplane flight. It seemed like even the babies and small children were quiet.

When the plane landed in Boston, I saw a group of servicemen (and women) in their uniforms. We waited about 10 or 15 minutes for the body of the dead serviceman to be taken off the plane and loaded into a vehicle for transport. You could hear a pin drop. I began again to read LewRockwell.com on my phone.

The pilot then exited the cockpit and spouted some pious platitudes about the military and honoring the fallen. I kept reading LewRockwell.com on my phone.

I did not made a scene, criticize the military, denounce U.S. foreign policy, say a word, or deliberately draw attention to myself in any way. Whether in the airport or on the plane I just sat minding my own business and reading LewRockwell.com on my phone.

I don’t protest at military funerals, chastise members of the military, or insult veterans. I just write articles in which I point out the evils of the military, try to keep people from joining the military, encourage military personnel not to reenlist, instruct Christians about the incompatibility of Christianity and military service, and try to stem the tide of military idolatry that is so rampant throughout the country.

But I don’t enjoy writing articles like this. The deceased no doubt has parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, cousins, aunts, uncles, nephews, nieces, and friends—all of whom are grieving over the death of their loved one.

But someone has to say it. And since I’ve said enough about the military over the years—and received my share of criticisms, cursing, swearing, verbal attacks, and physical threats for it—it might as well be me.

Should we honor slain U.S. servicemen? Did they die protecting U.S. soil? Are they fallen heroes? Did they die fighting for our freedoms? Were they keeping us safe from terrorists? Did they die protecting our rights? Should we be thankful for their service? Did they die in defense of the country? Did they fight “over there” so we don’t have to fight “over here”? Did they die patrolling U.S. coasts? Were they supporting and defending the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic? Did they die for a noble cause?

Absolutely not.

I told you that someone has to say it.

The U.S. military—whatever it once was—has, for many years, simply been the president’s personal attack force to bomb, invade, occupy, and otherwise bring death and destruction to any country he deems necessary.

Fallen U.S. soldiers are not heroes. They deserve no glory, honor, and praise. They were not defending the United States. They were not fighting for our freedoms. They were not protecting Americans from credible threats. They were not keeping us safe from terrorists. They were not supporting and defending the Constitution.

Fallen U.S. soldiers died unnecessarily, needlessly, senselessly, in vain, and for a lie. They died a pawn in service to the state. They died for the military/industrial complex. They died for a reckless, belligerent, and meddling U.S. foreign policy that is deeply flawed, and has been for over a hundred years.

Since it is not honorable to serve in the U.S. military and engage in unjust and immoral wars and military adventures, I cannot engage in honoring the fallen.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

These people go into the military on their own, they are not forced. They go to countries oversea, to destroy and murder for the bankers. It has NOTHING to do with protecting our freedom in the US of A. It is all about MONEY

Darkwing  posted on  2017-12-05   9:55:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Darkwing (#1)

These people go into the military on their own, they are not forced.

They join for the paycheck, or to get money for college. That's why I did it so long ago. I imagine some do it for some sense of patriotism, but even for them, money is a significant motivation, and nearly always a primary motivation.

It's a job, and someone dying in the course of it no more did it for the people of this country than did a plumber dying trying to fix a pipe in your bathroom. Both died doing a job trying to improve your life.

Well, actually only the plumber did.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-12-05   10:23:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Pinguinite, All (#2)

They join for the paycheck, or to get money for college. That's why I did it so long ago. I imagine some do it for some sense of patriotism, but even for them, money is a significant motivation, and nearly always a primary motivation.

It's a job, and someone dying in the course of it no more did it for the people of this country than did a plumber dying trying to fix a pipe in your bathroom. Both died doing a job trying to improve your life.

The world, this country and our society, MUST have law and order to survive. This is a proven truism, over and over again, by endless wars and strife.

I do not recall anyone in my life ever wanting to do away with law enforcement????? At the very lowest level with local control, I have never ever had anyone prefer to go without police protection.

Such people are all volunteers, they do it for the money, a paycheck. For that if they die, so what?

No one likes the military, however we cannot and would not have survived without. A small percentage are voulunteers, without them we would have a draft.

Having family and friends that died, as volunteers and as draftees, it is painful to read such. Very painful.

Cynicom  posted on  2017-12-05   12:48:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom (#3)

Self-important little shit,ain't he?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-12-05   13:10:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: sneakypete (#4)

I have attended mass funeral services more than once.

Friends shot down, crashed whatever. It burns into ones soul.

VOLUNTEERS...every damned one of them.

Take Pearl Harbor, thousands of dumb volunteers died. To bomb Tokyo Doolittle asked for volunteers, he got more than needed. Before sailing he offered out to any man that wanted out. EVERY MAN JACK voted to go on a one way trip. Few returned.

Cynicom  posted on  2017-12-05   13:27:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#5)

I have attended mass funeral services more than once.

Friends shot down, crashed whatever. It burns into ones soul.

VOLUNTEERS...every damned one of them.

Take Pearl Harbor, thousands of dumb volunteers died. To bomb Tokyo Doolittle asked for volunteers, he got more than needed. Before sailing he offered out to any man that wanted out. EVERY MAN JACK voted to go on a one way trip. Few returned.

People that sat at home or enlisted for support jobs far,far tend to overcompensate for their cowardice and selfishness.

Granted,not every serviceman or woman that dies while deployed died as a hero....,BUT,they were THERE AND IN PLACE AND COULD have been a hero if the situation called for a hero.

I know of one signal office worker bee that is a prime example of this. He just happened to be working a shift at a signal center outside of Saigon that was a training school for covert action operations when it got overran during Tet of 68. Thin,blonde,blue-eyed young man that was maybe 21 years old,and who looked and sounded like a clerk. His first name was even Stanley. How appropriate was that? When the NVA broke through the defenses and entered the compound,Stanley picked up a M-16 and went to war. He had no choice because he was going to die if he didn't start fighting.

By the time that day ended he had earned a Silver Star and a couple of Purple Hearts. Come to find out,Stanley had been born to be a warrior. He just didn't know it until that day. He made tactical decisions that day and responded in a manner that even impressed infantry branch NCO's who had fought in WW-2 and Korea,and he was operating purely on instinct,not training. Please note,I am NOT saying all support MOS's are populated with cowards. The pros are there because the support job they work happens to be what they are best at doing,or at a minimum,they are doing it because being a line soldier that sleeps on the ground and eats meals out of a can or bag just doesn't appeal to them. Who can blame them for that? The thing is that those were the sort of jobs that appealed to people who didn't want to serve at all,but were drafted. During the VN war if you were drafted for 2 years and ended up assigned to a combat arms MOS and unit and didn't want to be there,all you had to do was offer to enlist for 3 years if they would send you to a clerk school. Since they didn't want to be in the military to start with,why wouldn't they want the softest and most cushy jobs they could find?

Certainly not ME! I was 17 when I enlisted,and I had no freaking idea what I wanted to do other than be a paratrooper. The army decided to send me to signal school instead of a combat arms school,and I thought at the time I was pretty damn lucky to get sent somewhere where I could learn a trade and live comfortable at the same time.

As fate would have it,I flat-ass HATED working inside a freaking office doing drone work,and pretty much insisted they send me to do something else. ANYTHING else. Best damn thing I ever did,and maybe the smartest. I discovered I HATED being cooped up in a office,and I LOVED running around in the woods/jungle making my own decisions,where I didn't have 17 supervisors looking over my shoulder to make sure I dotted all the i's can crossed all the t's. I immediately went from hating the army to loving the army,and this surprised no one more than it it surprised me.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-12-05   14:23:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: sneakypete, All (#6)

Long ago shiftless paycheck volunteers.

One night early 1951 someone came into our hovel and asked for one volunteer to go to Korea as a forward air controller, leaving within hours.

"Shorty" stood up, said I'm ready. Be packed in 30 minutes.

Two weeks later Shorty was dead.

Just another paycheck grubbing "volunteer" living off the backs of hard working taxpayers safe at home.

Cynicom  posted on  2017-12-05   16:29:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#7)

Long ago shiftless paycheck volunteers.

The thing that galls me the most about those whiners is they are convinced those of us who volunteered are stupid,because "why would anyone as smart as us volunteer?"

It has never occurred to any of those goobers that not only aren't we as stupid as they think,they aren't as smart as they think,either.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-12-05   19:43:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Darkwing (#1)

These people go into the military on their own, they are not forced. They go to countries oversea, to destroy and murder for the bankers.

National Guard units might be an exception. People sign up for the Guard and expect to be activated for disasters or mob control inside the US.

Ada  posted on  2017-12-05   19:53:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Ada (#9)

People sign up for the Guard and expect to be activated for disasters or mob control inside the US.

There were quite a few NG units activated during the last several wars, including Vietnam and Iraq. A simple search online will reveal this aspect. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2017-12-05   21:19:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom, sneakypete (#3)

Cyni, Sneaky, you two come from a different time than me. Had I been in the military some 40 years earlier than I was, I'd certainly be more empathetic to your views & experiences, including the loss of friends in war, and probably also having some sense that my time in service really was a necessary patriotic service to the country.

But I wasn't in service until the 80's, after the Vietnam fiasco but before it was so apparent that the military was simply political mercenary branch of the government.

I remember once attending a poolside party of my brother's neighbor in the early 2000's. The homeowner who had a wife and daughter (early 20's or so) there and was drinking beer and the topic drifted to the Iraq invasion under W Bush. This guy belted out in a drunken stuper: "W Bush invaded Iraq because he wanted to finish what his daddy started, and that's alright with me!".

I was livid, but let it pass as is my nature, but on afterthought, thought it would have been well fitting to call his daughter over and ask him in earshot of all if he would still be "all right" with it if his daughter had returned from that war with an arm or leg ripped off, permanently disfigured face or maybe even her pussy mangled up.

Because you know, he deserved it. If this asshole didn't care a whit about other people's kids, he damn well didn't qualify to have any of his own. That's how I see it.

Now Sneaky has seen fit to call me a "little shit", when all I have done is agree with the author of this article that in this day and age, US military personnel are NOT putting their lives on the line for anything patriotic, but simply fulfilling a US foreign policy that involves imposing US interests on foreign people living in foreign lands. That's the truth today. What I would do, and what the author above said he does, is he discourages people from joining the military. Why? Because he & I both want to save lives, much like the lives of your friends that you watched die. That is not being a "little shit". That is being a responsible soul.

There was a time in the past when joining the military was indeed a patriotic and noble thing, and there will be times in the future when it will be as well. But that is not the case in today's USA. If you want to find patriotism in this day and age, you have to go to other countries where guys are taking up arms to defend their countries, communities, families & way of life (even if it's a way of life we don't like) from imperial & superior armed forces that are trying to dictate to them how they should live.

You two need to recognize that the military of today is not the same as the military of WW2. Everything is different now and carrying on with this religious reverence (and that's what it is) of the military is, in THIS age, quite frankly very shortsighted and is a reverence the PTB's are very eager to take advantage of as they send today's young men off to die in places like Nigeria.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-12-05   22:44:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: BTP Holdings (#10)

There were quite a few NG units activated during the last several wars

Yes, the Pentagram needed the bodies. But its not what those signing up for the Guard thought they were getting into.

Ada  posted on  2017-12-06   6:41:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pinguinite, Sneakeypete.All (#11)

You two need to recognize that the military of today is not the same as the military of WW2. Everything is different now and carrying on with this religious reverence (and that's what it is) of the military is, in THIS age, quite frankly very shortsighted

Thank you for polite reasoned response.

My personsal military observations.

Two groups or types, both with differing mindsets, populate the military. 1. Lifers...War or peace they will hang in there for promotions and pensions.They are the minority. 2.short timers... The majority, in-out as quick as possible.

Both despise the other...however when war comes and men are dying, both meld into a brotherhood that cannot ever be broken.

I hated the military, then and now, but having walked in their shoes as brothers, we are one.

Mass funerals sears your soul for life.

Cynicom  posted on  2017-12-06   18:16:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Cynicom (#13)

Excellent break-down of the military milieu. Thank you.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2017-12-06   18:22:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom (#13)

Two groups or types, both with differing mindsets, populate the military. 1. Lifers...War or peace they will hang in there for promotions and pensions.They are the minority. 2.short timers... The majority, in-out as quick as possible.

You say that because you have never been in a Special Operations unit where everyone is a volunteer. Even the draftees in the Airborne Divisions were volunteers because nobody was ever sent to jump school without first volunteering for it,and then working their asses off to graduate.

Yeah,there are people there you would refer to as "lifers" because no military organization can survive without career NCO's and Officers,but the difference is they are there because they WANT to be there.

Even the draftees took pride in their assignments,and worked hard to be the best they could be. They had to in order to be allowed to stay there.

Granted,many weren't happy to be shipped off to places like DC to deal with anti-war protesters,or other dumbass assignments given to please the political creatures in DC,but they understood that what they learned there could be critical to survive dealing with riots if they ever had to jump into some foreign country and establish a new government.

They also understood that the army isn't a democracy. When you enlist,you take a oath to follow all legal orders.

Instead of ranting and raving at the military,both career and part-time,you need to be ranting and raving at their political masters. The military in the US NEVER make the decisions to go anywhere.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-12-06   18:45:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: sneakypete (#15)

Instead of ranting and raving at the military,both career and part-time

""""You say that because you have never been in a Special Operations unit where everyone is a volunteer.""""

One has to use caution when discussing the unknown.

Cynicom  posted on  2017-12-06   19:59:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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