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Title: Trump Attacks Syria With Chemical Experts on the Way
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URL Source: https://consortiumnews.com/2018/04/13/trump-attacks-syria/
Published: Apr 14, 2018
Author: Joe Lauria
Post Date: 2018-04-14 17:45:51 by Ada
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President Trump ordered airstrikes on Syria as a team of experts from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons was about to arrive on Saturday to determine whether a chemical weapons attack had even occurred, Joe Lauria reports.

President Donald Trump on Saturday (Syria time) ordered air strikes against Syria in retaliation for an alleged chemical weapons attack last weekend outside Damascus.

“I ordered the United States armed forces to launch precision strikes on targets associated with the chemical weapon capabilities of Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad,” Trump said from the White House.

The strikes were carried out together with Britain and France, he said. CNN reported explosions at a research facility near Damascus. At a news conference later, Pentagon officials said this “phase” of the missile strikes against three so-called chemical research targets, one in the center of the Syrian capital, were completed and “no additional attacks are planned.”

U.S. officials said Russia had been told of the military operation but Gen. Joseph Dunford, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, told the press briefing Friday night (Washington time) that Moscow was not informed of the Syrian targets. Russia had vowed to shoot down incoming U.S. and allied missiles as Russian military personnel are embedded with the Syrian Arab army at various locations in the country.

U.S. military analysts say the U.S. wanted to avoid hitting Russian targets, but once unleashed, military action can lead to unintended consequences.

Pentagon officials said they only had reports that Syrian, but not Russian, anti-missile defenses had been engaged. Whether any U.S. missiles or planes were hit would be made plain on Saturday morning in Washington, they said.

OPCW Team Was on the Way

A team of experts from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons was on its way to Syria after accepting an invitation from the Syrian government to study soil and other samples in Duma, the Damascus suburb where the alleged attack took place.

It’s not clear whether the U.S.-led operation would complicate their mission as the team was due to arrive later on Saturday. It is also not certain whether the timing of the U.S.-led attack was intended to prevent the team from gathering evidence to prove whether or not chemicals were used. The OPCW does not assess blame.

Trump had threatened earlier in the week, in perhaps his strangest Tweet yet, to send “smart” and “clean” missile strikes into Syria to attack “Animal Assad.” He also blamed Russia for supporting Assad, which may have been intended to get critics, who accuse him of being a Putin puppet, off his back. Indeed this latest display of American militarism may also be driven by Trump’s anti-Russian critics.

Trump had backed off his threat when it was revealed that his aides had not yet agreed to the attack.

In April 2017 the U.S. fired 59 cruise missiles at a Syrian airbase that Washington believed was used to carry out a chemical attack. U.S. Defense Secretary James Mattis later said the U.S. did not have concrete evidence that Syria was responsible.

No Proof Made Public

Likewise no public proof has been offered that Syria was behind the alleged chemical attack last weekend in Duma, where as many as 70 people may have been killed.

The gas allegedly used in the Duma attack is chlorine. In 2014 Syria was certified by the OPCW to have given up its entire chemical weapons arsenal in a deal with the United States and Russia. The chemicals were destroyed on a U.S. Navy ship.

Chlorine, however, is not on the OPCW list of banned chemicals, and is not classified as a chemical weapon. Any country, including Syria, is allowed to possess it, but cannot use it as a weapon. U.S. officials know this but say incorrectly that Russia had failed to give up chemical stocks that were on the OPCW banned list. The military strikes were, as usual, egged on by influential U.S. pundits, some masquerading as reporters. Christiane Amanpour said on CNN after the attack was launched that Russia had stopped President Obama from attacking Syria by agreeing to eliminate its chemical weapons.

“The allies have been forced into this,” Amanpour said, adding that they had no choice. “Russia promised that they would remove Syrian chemical weapons but they have chlorine,” she said, clearly uniformed that it was a joint-U.S.-Russia operation and that chlorine is not classified as a chemical weapon. Consortium News this week published two pieces calling on Trump to obtain evidence of Syria’s guilt and legal authorization before launching an act of war. The U.S. has neither demonstrated that it is acting in self-defense nor did it get U.N. Security Council approval, making tonight’s actions clearly illegal. Nor has Trump received authorization from Congress, making it illegal under U.S. law. Several Congressmen complained of this after the attack, but Dunford told the Pentagon briefing that Trump acted legally because U.S. interests were involved.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

Maybe it's nothing significant, but it sure seems to me that Trump really migrated from a fire & brimstone mood when he tweeted to Putin about how "new and smart" missiles are coming to a much more reserved mood the day or two prior to this AM's attack. On top of that, Mattis only stated he was "confident" that Assad launched the attack which is clearly less of a threshold than "certain".

I can't help but wonder if Trump realized he spoke too soon in condemning Assad and Putin with such fiery war words, and then realized that possibly the chem attack didn't even happen. Waiting then, for the OPCW to make a determination might have yielded a contrary report that no evidence of the attack could be found. That would mean a very humiliating turn for Trump for which he'd rightly owe both Putin and even Assad an apology, which would be the right moral thing but still political suicide.

So... attacking Assad was an irreversible commitment. Now that he has, the whole chem situation is now considered old news and a settled matter, so what OPWD finds is no longer important. And the targets may well have been unused buildings. In fact, from looking at the photos released, At least one of them doesn't look like it was rained upon by more than a single bomb per building, which conflicts somewhat with the 110 total missiles fired upon the 3 sites.

Perhaps Trump picked out the least significant targets he could find, and did indeed bend over backwards to reduce the risk of any deaths. He gets to save face, and because Assad lost little of consequence, Putin likewise has less reason to retaliate.

I predict this hit this AM will be off the headlines by Monday. Oh yes, and the choice to do the hit on a Friday evening was also no mistake to avoid disturbing the markets.

As they say, it's all wrapped up in a neat little package.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-04-14   18:19:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Pinguinite, Russophiles (#1)

Putin has learned a lesson.

Putin and Russia conspired to put Trump in office and then Trump bombs innocent friends of Putin.

all makes sense now.

Cynicom  posted on  2018-04-14   18:33:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Pinguinite (#1)

I can't understand why people aren't asking the question, "if our missiles hit chemical weapons storage facilities, including one in the center of Damascus, why are there not thousands or millions dead from the chemical weapons released into the air?"....

Thing is, there WERE no chemical weapons. If we had an honest media we'd all know that.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2018-04-14   18:35:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: FormerLurker (#3)

FWIW chlorine is not considered a chemical weapon.

Ada  posted on  2018-04-14   18:38:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Ada (#4)

FWIW chlorine is not considered a chemical weapon.

Yes it is.

Cynicom  posted on  2018-04-14   18:56:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Ada (#4)

FWIW chlorine is not considered a chemical weapon.

It's been claimed that Syria has used Sarin in the past. Sarin is a nerve gas which can kill thousands or more when it's in militarized form.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2018-04-14   19:02:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#2)

Putin has learned a lesson.

You think maybe that lesson is to never turn your back?

Russia is now back under the old Imperial Tri-color flag. Something I never thought I would see in my youth.

It is a shadow of the old Soviet Union. And I hear the birth rate over there is declining. So all of this bodes ill for the future of Russia itself.

And then with about 10 million illegal Chinese in eastern Russia which the Russians can do nothing about makes the picture all that more grim. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2018-04-14   19:06:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: FormerLurker (#6)

It's been claimed that Syria has used Sarin in the past. Sarin is a nerve gas which can kill thousands or more when it's in militarized form.

True, yet those ISIS White Helmets dealt with the alleged victims without any protective clothing.

Ada  posted on  2018-04-14   19:14:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: BTP Holdings (#7)

Russia is now back under the old Imperial Tri-color flag. Something I never thought I would see in my youth.

Lesson in geo/politics, history etc etc.

Remember, MOST OF WHAT YOU HEAR IS FALSE, MUCH OF WHAT YOU SEE IS NOT TRUE.

History, Lenin a hundred years ago said, "two steps back,one step forward".

Russia today is just as communist today as it has been for 100 years. It has donned a different mask but all else remains the same.

Cynicom  posted on  2018-04-14   19:19:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Pinguinite (#1)

Hoping that your analysis is correct, thanks for a ray of hope here.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2018-04-14   19:20:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#5) (Edited)

Chlorine did not figure in Assad’s initial stockpile declaration and was not removed with the rest of Syria’s chemical weapons, probably because of its many peaceful uses.

Ada  posted on  2018-04-14   19:23:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Ada (#8)

True, yet those ISIS White Helmets dealt with the alleged victims without any protective clothing.

Yep, they did that the last time too when they insisted it was Sarin gas used.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2018-04-14   19:29:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#9)

Russia today is just as communist today as it has been for 100 years. It has donned a different mask but all else remains the same.

You're nuts.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2018-04-14   19:30:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Ada (#11)

Brief Description of Chemical Weapons

The general and traditional definition of a chemical weapon is a toxic chemical contained in a delivery system, such as a bomb or shell.

The Convention defines chemical weapons much more generally. The term chemical weapon is applied to any toxic chemical or its precursor that can cause death, injury, temporary incapacitation or sensory irritation through its chemical action. Munitions or other delivery devices designed to deliver chemical weapons, whether filled or unfilled, are also considered weapons themselves.

The toxic chemicals that have been used as chemical weapons, or have been developed for use as chemical weapons, can be categorised as choking, blister, blood, or nerve agents. The most well known agents are as follows: choking agents—chlorine and phosgene, blister agents (or vesicants)—mustard and lewisite, blood agents—hydrogen cyanide, nerve agents—sarin, soman, VX.

Cynicom  posted on  2018-04-14   19:37:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Ada, All (#8) (Edited)

DISTURBING video shows Syrian kids learning how to fake a chemical attack


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2018-04-14   19:37:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#2)

I'd agree that Putin would now understand that it is as pointless for Russia to meddle in US elections as it is for US citizens to participate in same, and for the same reasons!

Once Americans understand that, we can maybe get something done that really needs to be done.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-04-14   20:02:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: FormerLurker (#3)

I can't understand why people aren't asking the question, "if our missiles hit chemical weapons storage facilities, including one in the center of Damascus, why are there not thousands or millions dead from the chemical weapons released into the air?"....

It's an outstanding point, and a similar question existed over last year's attack. Where exactly are these chem weapons stockpiled?

The US is bragging about how there were no reported deaths in the attack, but that should beg this very question. That should have been very hard to avoid when bombing a chem weapons factory.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-04-14   20:05:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Cynicom, Ada (#5)

FWIW chlorine is not considered a chemical weapon.

Yes it is.

While it could be used as a chemical weapon (hey so could coca cola and GMO foods) I read a claim it is not formally listed as a banned chem weapon by International treaty. If so, it would/should be a significant point.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-04-14   20:09:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: BTP Holdings (#7)

It is a shadow of the old Soviet Union. And I hear the birth rate over there is declining. So all of this bodes ill for the future of Russia itself.

I assume you mean the ethnic Russian birth rate. Unfortunately, the same is true for many/most native Caucasians in both Europe and the USA. We're in the same boat as the Russians.

And then with about 10 million illegal Chinese in eastern Russia which the Russians can do nothing about makes the picture all that more grim. ;)

They could probably colonize this frozen tundra if they want, but China has a problem with a shortage of women. Their one child policy had the unintended consequence of creating a generation or two of disproportionately high number of men. But of course, they have more women than the USA has people of either gender. Or perhaps I should say these days, *any* gender.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-04-14   20:15:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Cynicom (#9)

Russia today is just as communist today as it has been for 100 years. It has donned a different mask but all else remains the same.

There elections are no longer limited to communist party members as I believe it was under the old USSR, which during those days only consisted of some 5% of the population. Or so I was taught in my youth. Going to full democratic voting access is in itself is a vast improvement.

And the USA can hardly brag about being anti-communist, given so much adoption of Marxism.

I for one don't consider Russia to be communist today. But I've never been there.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-04-14   20:18:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Ada (#11)

Chlorine did not figure in Assad’s initial stockpile declaration and was not removed with the rest of Syria’s chemical weapons, probably because of its many peaceful uses.

I suppose he should have mandated all Syrians turn in their laundry cleaner to International inspectors.

Pinguinite  posted on  2018-04-14   20:20:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Pinguinite, Cynicom (#18)

While it could be used as a chemical weapon (hey so could coca cola and GMO foods) I read a claim it is not formally listed as a banned chem weapon by International treaty. If so, it would/should be a significant point.

The article states as follows:

The gas allegedly used in the Duma attack is chlorine. In 2014 Syria was certified by the OPCW to have given up its entire chemical weapons arsenal in a deal with the United States and Russia. The chemicals were destroyed on a U.S. Navy ship.

Chlorine, however, is not on the OPCW list of banned chemicals, and is not classified as a chemical weapon. Any country, including Syria, is allowed to possess it, but cannot use it as a weapon. U.S. officials know this but say incorrectly that Russia had failed to give up chemical stocks that were on the OPCW banned list

Ada  posted on  2018-04-14   21:07:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Pinguinite (#20)

Communism had its roots planted in this country way back during the Civil War with spies within the Union officer corp.

Their cause transcends generations.

Witness by Chambers is an eye opener to the inside.

Cynicom  posted on  2018-04-14   21:33:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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