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Title: New Bill to Allow Cops to Detain Citizens, Force Them to Explain Who They Are, What They’re Doing
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URL Source: https://thefreethoughtproject.com/b ... s-police-state-powers-to-cops/
Published: Jan 23, 2020
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2020-01-23 09:57:13 by Ada
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Views: 793
Comments: 25

Kentucky — An ominous bill that is currently making its way through the Kentucky Senate aims to give police unprecedented unconstitutional powers. These new powers will allow cops to stop anyone they want and demand that person tell them who they are, where they are going, and explain their actions. Naturally, it has civil rights advocates up in arms, but it doesn’t seem to be slowing down the bill’s momentum.

Police merely need to make an unsubstantiated claim that a person is involved in criminal activity which gives them free reign to stop that person, demand his name, home address and age — as well as ask to see his driver’s license, if he has one — and tell him to explain what he is presently doing “to the satisfaction of the officer.”

If you invoke your constitutional right not to answer the officer’s questions, this new bill grants cops the right to detain you for two hours. Even more ominous is the fact that this detainment is not considered an arrest so you have no right to an attorney and police don’t even have to record it. This non-arrest grey area detention will undoubtedly be rife for abuse.

Nevertheless, advocates for the police state tyranny say cops must have this new ability—to keep us safe. As Kentucky.com reports, Sen. Stephen Meredith, R-Leitchfield, said Grayson County law enforcement officials asked him for the bill after a number of local incidents showed the need for it.

“If a man acts suspicious, then why wouldn’t you want to know what his name is?” Meredith said in an interview. “I can’t imagine any legitimate reason in the world why a person would refuse to give their name and photo identification to a police officer if they were asked.”

In other words, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear…or, in other words, submit to the police state. Wrong!

Well Sen. Meredith, we’d like to educate you in why a person would refuse to talk to police—because it is our right not to! Legislation like this is straight out of the playbook of every tyranny in history. Remember “Ihre Papiere, Bitte”?

That phrase often brought shudders to the people who heard it in the 1930s and ’40s. It is German for “Your papers, please,” and this bill is nearly identical to that sinister Nazi policy.

Critics of the bill are pointing out its obvious unconstitutional nature and note out how cops can already go after people if they suspect them of committing a crime. As Kentucky.com reports:

Critics say Meredith’s bill would violate the Fourth Amendment’s protection against unreasonable search and seizure and the Fifth Amendment’s protection against self-incrimination.

Police officers already have the right to approach people on the street and ask their names, but it’s established that citizens can refuse to respond, said Aaron Tucek, a legal fellow at the ACLU of Kentucky. If police can show reasonable suspicion that someone is carrying a deadly weapon, they can proceed to frisk that person, Tucek said.

But they cannot detain people simply for not identifying themselves or explaining their activities “to the satisfaction of the officer,” Tucek said.

“The whole section of the bill on detention — they can call it whatever they want, but Supreme Court case law is pretty clear that an arrest is not determined by whether you call it an arrest, it’s determined by the restraint you place on someone’s liberty,” Tucek said. “If you put someone in the back of a police car or if you take them down to the police station or if you otherwise refuse to let them go their own way, that’s an arrest, and in our country, you cannot do that without probable cause.”

We agree and so does the constitution.

“The idea that we can detain people because we find them to be suspicious and we think they might commit a crime, that crosses a dangerous line,” Rebecca DiLoreto, who lobbies in Frankfort for the Kentucky Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, said. “Now, unfortunately, it has been known to happen. Sometimes it’s in a mostly white community where someone spots a black person walking down the street and they get suspicious and call police.”

“The ‘crime’ in this case is basically that you’re here and we don’t think, from looking at you, that you should be here,” she added. “The potential for abuse in that seems obvious.”

DiLoreta also pointed out the menacing nature of cops being able to essentially kidnap anyone they want for hours and keep it off the record. Nobody ever should be taken into police custody without a record being made of it, she said.

“That’s starting to approach what you see in a police state or Soviet Russia,” DiLoreta said

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

Whoa shit, this bill can never be allowed to pass and the authors of the bill need to be unseated pronto.

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titorite  posted on  2020-01-23   10:49:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ada (#0)

Matt, it's free rein, not reign. fyi

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2020-01-23   11:36:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Lod (#2)

In Spain the rain falls mainly on the plain.

Ada  posted on  2020-01-23   13:33:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: titorite (#1)

the authors of the bill need to be unseated pronto.

Shot, more like it !

http://ustvgo.tv/one-america-news-network/

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. "

The best thing about old age is that it doesn't last forever.

noone222  posted on  2020-01-23   15:25:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Lod (#2) (Edited)

Matt, it's free rein, not reign. fyi

'Free Rein' or 'Free Reign'?

In summary: Reign is royal authority, the influence and sway of a ruler, or one who resembles a ruler. Rein is the strap fastened to an animal (such as a horse or mule) by a bit, which allows a rider or driver to control the animal. If you rule over something you may be said to reign over it. If you are allowed a great deal of freedom you might be said to have free rein.

From the article:

Police merely need to make an unsubstantiated claim that a person is involved in criminal activity which gives them free reign to stop that person, demand his name, home address and age — as well as ask to see his driver’s license, if he has one — and tell him to explain what he is presently doing “to the satisfaction of the officer.”

In this case, "reign" could be correct.

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

Bill D Berger  posted on  2020-01-23   22:44:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Bill D Berger (#5)

it could be, but most say it's not, from grammarist.com -

The usual spelling of the phrase meaning freedom to do as one pleases is free rein, not free reign. The latter is a common misspelling, and it almost makes sense given reign‘s meaning (i.e., the exercise of sovereign power). But free rein, an allusion to horseback riding, is the original form, and it is much more common in published texts.

Not trying to be the grammar police here, I'm just in a shitty mood today.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2020-01-23   22:54:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Lod (#6)

I'm just in a shitty mood today.

Go fuck yourself ... hahahaha I'm shitty too ! Ha hahaha !

http://ustvgo.tv/one-america-news-network/

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. "

The best thing about old age is that it doesn't last forever.

noone222  posted on  2020-01-24   19:20:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Lod, Bill D Berger (#6)

But free rein, an allusion to horseback riding, is the original form, and it is much more common in published texts.

Not trying to be the grammar police here, I'm just in a shitty mood today.

Mood noted, Lod. And you are correct about the true meaning of rein.

I recall from my younger days I would tie a not in the reins of the horse and hang it on the saddle horn. Since there was no pressure being applied, the horse would go on as he pleased until such time as I picked up the reins again. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2020-01-24   19:36:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: BTP Holdings (#8)

A well-trained horse who responds to the lightest touch of the reins is a true pleasure to ride. Just about as effortless as it gets.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2020-01-24   19:44:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Mr. and Mrs. Grundy (#0)

'Free Rein' or 'Free Reign'?

I am so glad to see this discussed. People's English is so sloppy anymore.

Yeah, I deliberately use the word 'anymore' because English needs a word for "unlike formerly", and see nothing wrong with working to standardize that one ;-)

Similarly, I accept the use of the word 'forthcoming' to the effect of 'forthright' now. It brought cringes when people started saying it about 25 years ago but I actually think it fits. It's undoubtedly on its way to an official meaning.

'Free rein' is a different story. Long may its proper spelling reign!

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2020-01-24   19:57:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: NeoconsNailed (#10)

'Free rein' is a different story. Long may its proper spelling reign!

Bravo! ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2020-01-24   20:45:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: BTP Holdings, All (#11)

Thanky..... Here's a word anomaly just for fun: if people like a piece of music they say it 'sounds good'. But occasionally you'll hear that a piece "didn't sound well" -- always in the past tense!

Logically, shouldn't it be it sounds 'well' instead of 'good' -- the adverb, not the adjective? This is basic grammar here!

Uh-oh, trouble: If somebody tells you you look good it means a pleasing appearance, but 'you look well' only applies to one's state of health -- witness the stronger instance 'you don't look well'.

The bottom line is of course that custom sometimes determines proper usage, and consistency is a sometimes thing in language ;)

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2020-01-25   2:34:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: NeoconsNailed (#12) (Edited)

custom sometimes determines proper usage

We were working a concert at the Aragon Ballroom in Chicago. The band switched from a fast song to a slow song. Everyone sat down and there were two people left standing.

I said, "Out! Out! I was walking the guy up the aisle with my hand on his shoulder. He said, "Why do you feel the need to touch me?"

I let loose with a string of expletives that made his eyes glaze over. His girlfriend grabbed his arm and dragged him away and that was that last I seen of him.

I told my supervisor what happened. He said, "Oh, we're going to hear about that one."

But we never did. I guess they just chalked it up to going to see a concert at the Aragon.

There were so may fights in that place they called it the Brawlroom. LOL

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2020-01-25   8:58:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: NeoconsNailed (#10)

People's English is so sloppy anymore.

That usage of "anymore" to mean "nowadays" or "these days" pops up a lot in colloquial English.

There's resistance to using it this way because "any more" spelled as two words is reserved as a complement to the negative as in "People's English is not so sloppy anymore."

I think that it keeps popping up so often is that it bumps up against the common binary logic of standard construction and draws extra attention to the notion that the speaker is trying to get across like, "Customer service is just terrible anymore."

But hey, that's the way language changes. There ain't no accounting for the way folks get their ideas across - anymore. : )

randge  posted on  2020-01-25   11:45:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: noone222, Lod, 4um (#7)

I'm just in a shitty mood today.

Go fuck yourself ... hahahaha I'm shitty too !

Chemtrails. Either that or they're putting something new in the water.

Everybody I know around here is tired all the time now. I suppose that would dim your mood.

The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. - Dr. Eldon Tyrell

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2020-01-25   11:48:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: BTP Holdings (#13)

Don't leave us hanging -- what had that fool done?

wikid: 'During the 1970s, the Aragon was home to so-called "monster rock" shows; which were marathons of rock and roll acts often lasting six hours or more. The shows gained a reputation for attracting a tough crowd, leading to the nickname, "the Aragon Brawlroom."' Men, women and countries are driven to show how tough they are, usually via the lowest possible means.

Surely a musical genre must give us pause if it's always causing violence and destruction, but we're obviously stuck with this one for good. Rock was FUN music in the golden age -- everything goes to shyte anymore. Here's what I wrote a guy re a Youtube anti-smoking ad:

To: Brent Walsh Re: "Unforgivable" www.youtube.com/watch? v=8N1JklTA6xo&feature=youtu.be

Sounds like a great project, but as a rock musician you're sure to be professionally contributing to another deadly if mostly overlooked mass addiction: extreme volume levels. I googled for some of your lyrics -- they're miserable, obscure and rhymeless. Searched 'I the Mighty' in Youtube, and the first song video I tried was so repulsive in every possible way I couldn't even take a minute of it, and I'm a lifelong rock fan.

Best of luck with your crusade. But you, Sir, are doing with ROT MUSIC what Big Tobacco is doing with smoke -- feeding millions of people's addiction to DEPRAVED ANTI-CULTURE.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2020-01-25   11:53:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: NeoconsNailed (#16)

'During the 1970s, the Aragon was home to so-called "monster rock" shows; which were marathons of rock and roll acts often lasting six hours or more. The shows gained a reputation for attracting a tough crowd, leading to the nickname, "the Aragon Brawlroom."' Men, women and countries are driven to show how tough they are, usually via the lowest possible means.

I worked the Aragon in the 80s and 90s. I do not think it had changed much, if at all, during that time. We all carried handcuffs and we used them. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2020-01-25   12:08:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: NeoconsNailed (#16)

Rock was FUN music in the golden age

Yeah well, times change.

And all that noise that evolved in the wake of Tonkin Gulf was a product of one big psy-op steered from above. In fact both of those phenomena issued from the same damned source. Whatever it was, it didn't grow up into anything sustaining. It did foster a big money junk machine that cranks out even worse garbage today.

A man can live quite a nice life without exposure to the same although it jumps out at you while at the supermarket or whatnot.

randge  posted on  2020-01-25   12:13:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: randge (#14)

One of my favorite funny cases shows that usage is king no matter what anybody thinks of it:

www.dictionary.com/browse/auger?s=t

ORIGIN OF AUGER. before 900; Middle English nauger (a nauger misdivided as an auger.) :-D

Then there's that other quirk about any + more. People will thoughtlessly write "Are there anymore items" or whatever, cf. 'alot' for 'a lot'.

Am told the PA Dutch have a funny but useful equivalent to the French "n'est-ce pas" -- "ain't", as in "You mowed both yards, ain't?" LOL!

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2020-01-25   12:23:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: NeoconsNailed (#19)

PA Dutch

The Amish are from Pennsylvania Dutch. They have some neat quirks in their language. The also run puppy mills which I do not really approve of.

Our High School play in 1972 was Plain and Fancy about the Amish. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2020-01-25   12:42:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: randge (#18)

What you say can't be denied. I liken good rock to a Rembrandt painted in mud. Whatever good the genre originally bode, the CIA and MI5 (Tavistock?) types hijacked it for the mind control and people perversion agenda, turning the peace movement into a bunch of love bead nonsense.

A startling number of top musicians of the period were children of military or military intel figures -- Jim Morrison was pied pipering the masses toward drug and sex anarchy while his father was faking the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3dorx1/did_the_cia_really_create_t he_hippie_movement/

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2020-01-25   12:49:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: NeoconsNailed (#19)

"You mowed both yards, ain't?" LOL!

That's a good one. You hear Brit's doing a tag question something like that with i'nit, or however that's spelled (or spelt). As in "That the way to do it, i'nit?

I hadn't heard of "nauger," but I know "an adder" re-bracketed from "a nadder," and "an apron" from "a napron."

I think that if English is around 75 years from now, we'll have a hard time following it. Imagine Geo Washington watching TV today. Of course I don't think we've got a lot to worry about on that score.

randge  posted on  2020-01-25   12:54:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: NeoconsNailed (#21)

Jim Morrison was pied pipering the masses

Dave McGowan told us lots about those peeps and is still probably the top journalist to write not only about those times, but days to come (9-11) and days long past (the Lincoln assassination).

Books like THE STRANGE BUT MOSTLY TRUE STORY OF LAUREL CANYON AND THE BIRTH OF THE HIPPIE GENERATION & WHY EVERYTHING YOU THINK YOU KNOW ABOUT THE LINCOLN ASSASSINATION IS WRONG are just stunning works that teach readers just how inbred and interrelated those actors are that have led - or misled - this country on its strange, strange journey through history.

centerforaninformedamerica.co m/

randge  posted on  2020-01-25   13:10:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Ada (#0)

These new powers will allow cops to stop anyone they want and demand that person tell them who they are, where they are going, and explain their actions.

I was under the impression they were allowed to do this already....

WAIT. Answered HERE:

Police officers already have the right to approach people on the street and ask their names, but it’s established that citizens can refuse to respond, said Aaron Tucek, a legal fellow at the ACLU of Kentucky.

Are they gunnin' for "Official-Gestapo, papers please??"

And isn't it time that the ACLU stop pretending they aren't just the more respectable sister of the SPLC??

Liberator  posted on  2020-01-25   14:02:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Liberator (#24)

And isn't it time that the ACLU stop pretending they aren't just the more respectable sister of the SPLC??

1st, you're right that "cops can ask all of the questions they like and citizens just don't have to answer them.

2ndly, I believe most institutions of man have a fundamental flaw in being run by "men" ! (Not to leave out women that are even more abusive of unfettered authority).

http://ustvgo.tv/one-america-news-network/

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. "

The best thing about old age is that it doesn't last forever.

noone222  posted on  2020-01-26   6:51:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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