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Title: How Does the Electoral College Work and Why Does It Matter?
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Published: Oct 4, 2020
Author: Allyson Waller
Post Date: 2020-10-04 13:52:17 by BTP Holdings
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How Does the Electoral College Work and Why Does It Matter?

by Allyson Waller

October 4, 2020

It remains one of the most surprising facts about voting in the United States: While the popular vote elects members of Congress, mayors, governors, state legislators and even more obscure local officials, it does not determine the winner of the presidency, the highest office in the land.

Sherrie Hewson et al. sitting at a table: Democratic electors in Nevada sign their ballots for the Electoral College in 2016. To win, a candidate needs 270 electoral votes of the 538 that are up for grabs.© Scott Sonner/Associated Press Democratic electors in Nevada sign their ballots for the Electoral College in 2016. To win, a candidate needs 270 electoral votes of the 538 that are up for grabs.

That important decision ultimately falls to the Electoral College. When Americans cast their ballots, they are actually voting for a slate of electors appointed by their state’s political parties who are pledged to support that party’s candidate. (They don’t always do so.)

This leads to an intense focus on key battleground states, as candidates look to boost their electoral advantage by targeting states that can help them reach the needed 270 votes of the total 538 total up for grabs. The Electoral College also inspires many what-if scenarios, some of them more likely than others.

Can a president lose the popular vote but win the Electoral College vote?

Yes, and that is what happened in 2016: Although Hill ary Clinton won the national popular vote by almost 3 million votes, Donald Trump garnered almost 57 percent of the electoral votes, enough to win the presidency.

The same thing happened in 2000. Although Al Gore won the popular vote, George W. Bush earned more electoral votes after a contested Florida recount and a Supreme Court decision. It happened three times before that, with the elections of John Quincy Adams (1824), Rutherford B. Hayes (1876) and Benjamin Harrison (1888).

The electoral system has also awarded the presidency to candidates with a plurality of the popular vote (under 50 percent) in a number of cases, notably Abraham Lincoln in 1860, John F. Kennedy in 1960 and Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996.

What happens in a tie?

Because there’s an even number of electoral votes, a tie is feasible. If that happens in the Electoral College, then the decision goes to the newly seated House of Representatives, with each state voting as a unit.

Although it’s not detailed in the Constitution, each state delegation would vote on which candidate to support as a group, with the plurality carrying the day, said Akhil Reed Amar, a professor of law and political science at Yale University. If there is a tie vote in a state’s delegation, the state’s vote would not count. A presidential candidate needs at least 26 votes to win.

Currently, Republicans control 26 state delegations, while Democrats control 22. Pennsylvania is tied between Republican and Democratic representatives, and Michigan has seven Democrats, six Republicans and one independent. That could all change on Nov. 3 of course, because all House seats are up for election.

The decision on vice president goes to the newly elected Senate, with each senator casting a vote. Ultimately, any disputes about the procedure could land everything in the Supreme Court.

What if electors break their pledge?

People call them “faithless electors.” In 2016, seven electors — 5 Democrats and 2 Republicans — broke their promises to vote for their party’s nominee, the most ever in history. They voted for a variety of candidates not on the ballot: Bernie Sanders, Colin Powell and Ron Paul, among others. It did not change the outcome.

Whether electors should be able to change their positions has been heavily debated, so much so that the Supreme Court unanimously ruled in July that states may require electors to abide by their promise to support a specific candidate.

Some scholars have said they do not wholeheartedly agree with the decision, arguing that it endangers an elector’s freedom to make decisions they want and that electors are usually picked for their loyalty to a candidate or party.

“They will do as promised if the candidates do a very good job vetting them and picking people who are rock-solid,” Professor Amar said.

Thirty- three states and the District of Columbia have laws that require electors to vote for their pledged candidate. Some states replace electors and cancel their votes if they break their pledge.

Certain penalties exist in other states. In Ne w Mexico, electors can be charged with a felony if they abandon their pledge, and in Oklahoma a faithless elector could face a misdemeanor charge.

How did this system evolve?

The Electoral College was born at the 1787 Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia.

The nation’s founders hoped to quell the formation of powerful factions and political parties, and they wanted a mechanism that did not rely solely on popular majorities or Congress. Despite the name, it is not a college in the modern educational sense, but refers to a collegium or group of colleagues.

The system had some unusual results from the start, as evident in the Election of 1800, a tie in which Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr received an equal number of electoral votes. Congress broke the tie, and Jefferson became president and Burr became vice president. (Until the ratification of the 12th Amendment in 1804, the candidate with the second-highest number of electoral votes became vice president.)

Today, electors meet in their respective states on the first Monday after the second Wednesday of December — Dec. 14 this year — to cast separate ballots for president and vice president, with the candidates who receive a majority of votes being elected.

Electors are chosen every four years in the months leading up to Election Day by their respective state’s political parties. Processes vary from state to state, with some choosing electors during state Republican and Democratic conventions. Some states list electors’ names on the general election ballot.

The process of choosing electors can be an “insider’s game,” said Kimberly Wehle, a professor at the University of Baltimore and the author of “What You Need to Know About Voting and Why.” They are often state legislators, party leaders or donors, she said.

How many electoral votes does it take to win?

The important number is 270. A total of 538 electoral votes are in play across all 50 states and Washington, D.C. The total number of electoral votes assigned to each state varies depending on population, but each state has at least three, and the District of Columbia has had three electors since 1961.

Are all states winner-take-all?

Most are, and it helps to think of voting on a state-by-state basis, Professor Amar said.

“It’s just like in tennis,” he said. “It’s how many sets you win and not how many games or points you win. You have to win the set, and in our system, you have to win the state.”

Two exceptions are Maine and Nebraska, which rely on congressional districts to divvy up electoral votes. The winner of the state’s popular vote gets two electoral votes, and one vote is awarded to the winner of the popular vote in each congressional district.

There are arguments that the states with smaller populations are overrepresented in the Electoral College, because every state gets at least 3 electors regardless of population. In a stark example, sparsely populated Wyoming has three votes and a population of about 580,000, giving its individual voters far more clout in the election than their millions of counterparts in densely populated states like Florida, California and New York. And the American citizens who live in territories like Puerto Rico, Guam and the U.S. Virgin Islands are not represented by any electors.

“When you talk about the Electoral College shaping the election, it shapes the election all the time because it puts the focus on certain states and not others,” said Alexander Keyssar, a professor of history and social policy at Harvard University.

Will the system ever change?

For years there have been debates about abolishing the Electoral College entirely, with the 2016 election bringing the debate back to the surface. It was even a talking point among 2020 Democratic presidential candidates.

The idea has public support, but faces a partisan divide, since Republicans currently benefit from the electoral clout of less populous, rural states.

Gallup reports 61 percent of Americans support abolishing the Electoral College in favor of the popular vote. However, that support diverges widely based on political parties, with support from 89 percent of Democrats and only 23 percent of Republicans.

One route would be a constitutional amendment, which would require two-thirds approval from both the House and Senate and ratification by the states, or a constitutional convention called by two-thirds of the state legislatures.

Some hope to reduce the Electoral College’s importance without an amendment. Fifteen states and the District of Columbia, which together control 196 electoral votes, have signed on to an interstate compact in which they pledge to grant their votes to the winner of the national popular vote. The local laws would only take effect once the compact has enough states to total 270 electoral votes.

Lastly, an election-related case could find its way to the Supreme Court, which would lend greater importance to the judicial makeup of the court, Professor Wehle said.

“It only takes five people with life tenure to actually amend this Constitution through a judicial opinion,” she said.


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#1. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

The article fails to mention the interesting tidbit that the number of electoral votes each state has is equal to the number of senators and house reps the state has which is why the min number a state can have is 3, and why Maine & Nebraska award the 2 senate votes according to the whole state vote and 1 vote for each distict. It mirrors the congressional representation.

The second reason for the system is because at the formation of the country, the president was not the president of the USA as a whole, but rather the president of the states. The fed gov's role was only as an umbrella of sorts to govern not the people directly, but to govern the states in a uniform fashion, leaving each state to manage more detailed affairs within their borders. It's also why the senators were appointed by state legislators instead of being elected directly by the people (until the 17th Amendment).

But the more significant reason for the system itself is also omitted. This system was created in the late 1700's before the invention of the telephone, radio and even the telegraph and the harnessing of electricity altogether. The founders had to have a system of electing the president in these archaic conditions where hand written documents delivered by pony express was their version of the internet. How do you elect a president by consensus of people spanning many thousands of miles up and down the eastern seaboard in those conditions? You do it by having each state vote for a delegation to travel to the capital and cast votes on their behalf.

So the electoral college system we have today is a carryover from very archaic times. It could be modernized to take advantage of contemporary technology while still preserving the need to respect state sovereignty.

Finally, the interstate compact plan to have states grant its votes to the winner of the popular vote is really unconstitutional as long as it's not unanimously done by all states. Without that, a voter in a state partaking of the plan has their vote for prez diluted by the votes of those outside of his state. Those in states without the plan have their vote counted multiple times: Once for their home state and again for all states that are willing to share their delegates. I see that as violating the 14th amendment equal protection clause.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-10-04   14:40:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Pinguinite (#1)

The second reason for the system is because at the formation of the country, the president was not the president of the USA as a whole, but rather the president of the states. The fed gov's role was only as an umbrella of sorts to govern not the people directly, but to govern the states in a uniform fashion, leaving each state to manage more detailed affairs within their borders. It's also why the senators were appointed by state legislators instead of being elected directly by the people (until the 17th Amendment).

In 1789, the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia was convened ostensibly to rewrite the Articles of Confederation. (The Convention was really a re-organization under international bankruptcy law.)

But this idea was scrapped in favor of a new Constitution. When the new Constitution was presented to the Delegates, several refused to sign without a Bill of Rights. This led to the first 10 Amendments. The first spells out your rights and the second spells out how to protect them, with an armed populace.

I have to hand it to you Neil, you are pretty much up on how the system operates. Now if you were not an ex-pat it would be a wonderful thing. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2020-10-04   15:10:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: BTP Holdings (#2)

Not by intent, but by fact, white rural America outvoted black cities of the country.

Cynicom  posted on  2020-10-04   15:44:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: BTP Holdings (#2)

Now if you were not an ex-pat it would be a wonderful thing.

I much prefer where I am. There is no perfect place and here has its flaws but it's always springtime, great scenery, less taxes and more responsibility. Better food too. We don't have the largely industrialized food production system that is the rule is fully "developed" countries.

It is lacking on the social side due to the language barrier, but didn't have much of that in the states either. And hanging out here helps make up for that a little bit.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-10-04   15:58:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Pinguinite (#4)

It is lacking on the social side due to the language barrier, but didn't have much of that in the states either. And hanging out here helps make up for that a little bit.

I know a Russian girl who was living in Texas City and studying to be a pharmacist. She went back to Russia to claim her inheritance. She must be married in order to get it. She is using me as her fiancé and telling them I am unable to travel, which is true.

Last time I talked to her they were celebrating the end of the Great Patriotic War (WW II).

I told her I gave the doctor at the wound clinic in Joplin a website (staph-infection-resources.com) but he would not read it. I said, "Doc you are like an old dog. You can't learn new tricks." She said, "Old dog. LOL" ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2020-10-04   16:32:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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