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Title: The Scottish Rite, the KKK and the ADL
Source: Impious Digest
URL Source: http://www.impiousdigest.com/lbj/fox.htm
Published: Jan 19, 1993
Author: John Covici
Post Date: 2006-07-13 05:32:36 by bluegrass
Ping List: *New History*
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The city councils of Birmingham and Tuskegee, Alabama; Austin, Texas; Newark, New Jersey; Buffalo, New York; and New Orleans, Louisiana, have all called for the removal of the statue of Ku Klux Klan founder Albert Pike from Judiciary Square in Washington, D.C. Meanwhile, the Council of the District of Columbia, considering whether to pass a resolution similar to those passed in the other U.S. cities, has been warned by the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry and the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith not to move to take down the KKK monument. Albert Pike, national KKK chief judiciary officer and Grand Dragon of the Arkansas Klan after the Civil War, is buried in a crypt at the Headquarters Temple of the Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction, at 16th and S Streets, Washington. Pike was Grand Commander of that masonic group when he and his confederate clique organized the KKK.

Why? Why has the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), a self-proclaimed "anti-bigotry'' lobby, acted to save the KKK's national monument? For starters, the ADL is officially subordinate to the B'nai B'rith, a pro-slavery masonic secret society formed under Scottish Rite control in the 1840s. The ADL, the Scottish Rite, and the Klan appeared openly together in the early 20th century as elements of the "British party" within American political life. In shameful national public statements and private actions, B'nai B'rith and the ADL denounced and viciously sabotaged all 1930s anti-Hitler protests by Jews.

From its inception, the ADL has fronted for organized crime figures including Meyer Lansky. The Scottish Rite and the ADL, in their telephone calls and visits to Washington, D.C. Council members, say that "there is no evidence that Pike was a member of the KKK"; or, that "there is no credible evidence of Pike's role in the Klan"; or, that "we can find no evidence" of such a role. As a fall-back, the ADL has also said that "there is no real evidence of Pike's role in the Klan; and even if there is such evidence, the issue is not important."' In the recent voluminous reporting on the subject of the Pike statue, news media have often quoted Scottish Rite representative Walter Lee Brown with variations of these defenses of Pike. In an October interview with the author, Brown said that he did not care what any historian has ever written about Pike. In his view, all evidence of Pike's evil acts put forward in the 20th century "is simply repeating slanders that were used against Pike when he was alive." Brown, who is writing an official biography of Pike for the Scottish Rite, contended that no condemnation of leaders of the post-Civil War Ku Klux Klan can be legitimate, because of the lack of documentary evidence against them.

This applies as well to the notorious KKK Grand Wizard, slave-trade millionaire and wartime racial murderer Nathan Bedford Forrest. "General Forrest did not actually admit that he was in the Klan," Brown explained. "So, where is your proof that he or anyone else actually ran the Klan?"

How Pike's Role Was Revealed

In considering the evidence of Albert Pike's KKK career, one must keep in perspective the mode of operation and legal status of the perpetrators in question. The KKK of the 1860s-1870s was a secret, terroristic society whose disguised members carried out thousands of murders, tortures, arson of schools and churches. The United States government sent troops into the southern states to put down Klan terrorism. One should not expect the KKK to have published membership and officers lists, to accommodate prosecution and suppression. Confederate General Albert Pike's KKK career has been widely known among historians, southerners, and federal government officials since about 1905, four years after the Pike memorial statue was dedicated.

It was in 1905 that the Neale Publishing Company, New York and Washington, published Ku Klux Klan: Its Origin, Growth and Disbandment, written and edited by Walter L. Fleming, incorporating earlier published material by J.C. Lester and D.L. Wilson. Historian Walter Fleming's introduction to this 1905 book explains that he has been given "information in regard to Ku Klux Klan, by many former members of the order, and by their friends and relatives." Dr. Fleming states that "General Albert Pike, who stood high in the Masonic order, was the chief judicial officer of the Klan." On a page of illustrations of important founders of the KKK, Dr. Fleming places General Pike's portrait in the center, makes it larger than the six others on the page, and repeats this information as a caption: "General Albert Pike, chief judicial officer". Dr. Fleming attaches as an appendix to his book, a KKK "prescript" or secret constitution which had then recently been discovered. This document sets forth the regulations of the Klan's "judiciary"' department, over which Albert Pike ruled. This is the internal disciplinary or counterintelligence department. It also corresponds to Pike and the Klan's influence over the regular court system and the legal profession in the post-civil War southern states.

As the boss of all the southern secret societies and simultaneously president of the Tennessee Bar Association, Pike was the grand strategist of Klan "justice." It is to be stressed that Walter Fleming's book was not a slander or hatchet job against Albert Pike. Though it revealed much important data for the first time, it placed the KKK and Pike in the most favorable possible light. The book was a hit among diehard Confederates and Anglo-Saxon "race patriots," and it launched Fleming's career as the dean of southern historians. Fleming became the leading apologist for the KKK, and was the father of the modern historical line that Reconstruction was a corrupt oppression of the South. In September 1903, Fleming had written in the Journal of the Southern History Association: "The very need for such an organization in the disordered conditions of the time caused the Dens [KKK local units] to begin to exercise the duties of a police patrol for regulating the conduct of thieving and impudent negroes and similar "loyal' whites...." Dr. Fleming's biases have not hurt his reputation with established authorities. The National Cyclopedia of American Biography calls his 1905 Ku Klux Klan history "an authoritative account of that organization." The Dictionary of American Biography states bluntly: "Fleming covered the Civil War and Reconstruction in the South more fully than any other man. His works are characterized by ... scholarly objective. A Southerner, Fleming wrote of the sectional conflict with Southern sympathies yet he was more objective than most Southerners of his generation. The historiography of the Civil War and Reconstruction owes much to his indefatigable research, his breadth of scholarship, and power of interpretation." Basing his career on his defense of Pike's KKK, Fleming became dean of arts and sciences at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee.

Pike's Tennessee Klan Command

It was in Nashville that Albert Pike and other Confederate generals met in 1867 to form a southern states-wide terrorist KKK, expanding the little project they had started two years before in Pulaski, Tenn. The organization he formed in Nashville designated Pike its chief judiciary officer, and its Grand Dragon for Arkansas. As owner-publisher of the Memphis, Tennessee, Daily Appeal, Albert Pike wrote in an editorial on April 16, 1868: "With negroes for witnesses and jurors, the administration of justice becomes a blasphemous mockery. A Loyal League of negroes can cause any white man to be arrested, and can prove any charges it chooses to have made against him. ...The disenfranchised people of the South ... can find no protection for property, liberty or life, except in secret association.... We would unite every white man in the South, who is opposed to negro suffrage, into one great Order of Southern Brotherhood, with an organization complete, active, vigorous, in which a few should execute the concentrated will of all, and whose very existence should be concealed from all but its members." (A copy of that issue of Pike's paper may be viewed at the Library of Congress, as may the books mentioned in this article.) But it was as the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite, and the recognized boss of the southern white masonic order, that Pike exercised the great clandestine power that welded the KKK together. Dr. Walter Fleming designates Confederate Major James R. Crowe as the pre-eminent source for his 1905 KKK History, and describes Crowe as one of the original KKK founders in Pulaski. Fleming says that Major Crowe "held high rank in the Masonic order." In his honor roll of "well-known members of the Klan," Dr. Fleming places "General John C. Brown, of Pulaski, Tennessee" and "Colonel Joseph Fussell, of Columbia, Tennessee."

General Brown and Colonel Fussell, like Major Crowe, are identifiable as soldiers of Albert Pike's masonic order. General Brown had been a master mason in the Pulaski lodge for 15 years when the KKK was formed there, and became grand master of Tennessee Masons and governor of Tennessee during the Klan's era of power. Colonel Fussell was commandant of Tennessee's masonic Knights Templar during the Klan rule. The preceding masonic information is taken from Tennessee Templars: A Register of Names with Biographical Sketches of the Knights Templar of Tennessee by James D. Richardson. This James D. Richardson was himself the Commandant of Knights Templar and Grand Master of Masons in Tennessee, and was speaker of the Tennessee House of Representatives during the era of the Klan power. This same James D. Richardson was Albert Pike's successor as commander of the southern Scottish Rite masons. It was this same Richardson who ordered the Pike statue to be erected in Washington, D.C. It was Richardson who, as a U.S. congressman from Tennessee, introduced into the U.S. House of Representatives the infamous 1898 resolution: It called for the federal government to provide federal land to Richardson's masonic organization, on which to put up their statue honoring the master strategist of KKK terror.

The KKK on Parade

Susan Lawrence Davis's 1924 Authentic History, Ku Klux Klan, 1865-1877, repeats the pattern Fleming created in 1905, revealing Pike's KKK role but treating him and the Klan sympathetically. The Davis book was written to celebrate the new, 20th-century KKK, which was just then staging full-dress mass marches in Washington and northern cities such as Detroit. In her chapter on General Pike's leadership of the Klan, Miss Davis applauds Pike's clever stewardship of the KKK secret organization. She reproduces in her KKK history an oil portrait of Albert Pike given to her for the KKK book by Pike's son. The same is true of other book-length histories of the Klan and numerous published biographies of Albert Pike: Pike's role as Klan leader or KKK boss of Arkansas is discussed, but treated as if KKK terrorist murder of African-Americans was "regrettable" but "only natural" and "understandable." In his book, The Tragic Era, Claude Bowers describes the KKK as patriotic southerners defending their way of life from out-of-control blacks and northerners. Bowers, who served many years as the U.S. ambassador to Spain and to Chile, described Albert Pike as one of the handful of distinguished, respectable founders of the KKK and the Klan's leader in Arkansas.

Bowers wrote that much of the KKK's alleged violence was actually perpetrated by Negroes disguised in Klan robes to wreak vengeance on other Negroes! Rather than quake in fear when the white southern masons or the ADL puts the muscle on, a citizen or his political representative ought to put this question to General Pike's defenders: "Do you say that Professor Fleming, Miss Davis, Mr. Bowers, and all the other pro-Confederate historians were liars when they wrote of Pike's marvelous deeds as KKK founder and leader?" They want to have it both ways: first to issue propaganda justifying Klan terrorism as the work of "respectable'' men like Pike; later, when their hero is under attack, to claim that their own propaganda slanders their man!

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#69. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#68)

On top of all his 1 min speeches he got a law thru that put the "burden of proof" on the IRS when they come after you.

Before that "you" had to prove your innocence.

The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-08-03   18:37:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#68)

Gallery to show Traficant's art Tuesday, June 6, 2006 The 'Traficant Art Show' debuts Saturday.

THE VINDICATOR

By DAVID SKOLNICK

VINDICATOR POLITICS WRITER

EAST LIVERPOOL — A struggling art galley is hoping a showing and possible sale of a pair of paintings by imprisoned ex-U.S. Rep. James A. Traficant Jr. will keep it open.

The "Traficant Art Show" at the Ohio River Arts Gallery on Washington Street in East Liverpool opens at noon Saturday. It will run from noon to 4 p.m. Thursdays through Sundays, closing Aug. 20.

A former nine-term congressman, Traficant bedgan painting — primarily horses and barns — last year while at the Federal Medical Center in Rochester, Minn., where he remains with an undisclosed medical condition.

Traficant sent his paintings to Sybille Oelschlager of Schuyler Falls, N.Y., a fellow artist. She sold the paintings on eBay and the Web site http://www.beammeupart.com with the idea of giving some of the proceeds to the ex- congressman for art supplies.

One of Traficant's paintings of a yellow barn house sold for $2,001 on the eBay Web site in January. Shortly after his paintings were sold, federal prison officials said Traficant was no longer permitted to paint because he might profit from the work, something federal inmates aren't allowed to do. Oelschlager said she owns less than 10 of Traficant's paintings.

Gallery plans

Oelschlager said Wayne Harris, who operates the Ohio River Arts Gallery, contacted her and asked if the gallery could borrow a few of Traficant's paintings.

The gallery is having financial problems and may be forced to close, said Oelschlager and information provided by the facility about the Traficant exhibit.

"Instead of letting them borrow the paintings, I donated them and hope this would give them a shot in the arm," Oelschlager said. "They need help staying open."

One Traficant painting given to the gallery is of a horse and the other is a barn scene.

Several telephone calls to the gallery Monday went unanswered.

The information provided by the gallery states its dwindling membership may force its closure, but attention generated by the Traficant paintings will "breathe new life into it."

Traficant was convicted in 2002 of racketeering, bribery and tax evasion, and began serving his sentence that July 30. His projected release date is Sept. 2, 2009.

skolnick@vindy.com

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The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2006-08-03   19:02:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Grumble Jones (#67)

Show me some documentation - I don't buy it. Accusations and innuendos don't cut it.

He's been dead for over a hundred years - who cares, anyway? Is there anything particularly pertinent today.

Washington was a slave-owner; so what?


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-08-04   13:32:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: SKYDRIFTER (#71)

He's been dead for over a hundred years - who cares, anyway?

I'm with you, Sky. Traveling down these conspiracy trails, given the times in which we live, is fruitless. For those with a burning desire to research these matters, at the end of their study they’ll still be stuck in the present with the rest of us. We've all come to a similar belief system (re: the government) from a variety of backgrounds. I could care less what you choose to believe, or what religion (if any) you practice. Your info is always solid, and that’s all I care about.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-08-04   13:39:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Jethro Tull, Christine, Zipporah, robin, Zoroaster, BTP Holdings, Arator, Brian S, A K A Stone, Bub, mugwort, bluegrass, Bill D Berger, FormerLurker, Uncle Bill, Dakmar, Flintlock, Neil McIver, tom007, aristeides, Burkeman1, Diana, (#72)

Pike was a controversial character in a bizarre time. Lincoln made him look like a saint.

I don't understand the problem, as Masonic values adhere so closely to essential moral values. A gal I know (Eastern Star) just got a five-month suspension for getting out of line. We police our own, quite effectively.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-08-04   13:45:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Ferret Mike, Tauzero, Cynicom (#5)

...backing and liking for good works which the ADL has many such things to it's credit are two different things.

Mike-

I'm still waiting for you to list these "good works". You've had a couple-few years to think about it.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-09-25   15:51:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: bluegrass (#74)

And I have not done so and am not ever going to start. The matter is moot.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-09-25   22:35:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Ferret Mike (#75)

The matter is moot.

Far from it. You contend that the ADL does 'good works' and then can't back up your contention.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-09-25   22:37:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: bluegrass (#76)

"Far from it."

Done deal, live with it.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-09-26   2:18:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: SKYDRIFTER, Christine, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, bush_is_a_moonie, wudidiz (#58)

how 'evil' do you want people to believe Masons are?

Get a freakin' brain!

Skydrifter, i've always liked your 911 posts but let's get down to the brass tax: do you think of lucifer as 'the light bearer' and 'son of the morning' like pike did? will you refute or denounce these words written by pike? ------------

Here is what the famous freemasons themselves say, in their own words:

From http://freemasonrywatch.org/3index.html

"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the son of the morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with it's splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!

Morals and Dogma, page 321 Illustrious Albert Pike 33° Sovereign Grand Commander Supreme Council 33°, The Mother Supreme Council of the World The "must read" Occult "Bible" of Freemasonry by the "Pope" of Freemasonry...

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The apex of our teachings has been the rituals of MORALS AND DOGMA, written over a century ago."

-Illustrious C. Fred Kleinknecht 33° Sovereign Grand Commander Supreme Council 33° The Mother Supreme Council of the World New Age Magazine, January 1989 The official organ of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry


The following is what Patrick Henry said about government:

"We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth... For my part, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst; and to provide for it."

Scripture sums it up for us:

"For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and powers, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places." Ephesians 6:12.

Here is a sampling of what the Popes said about freemasonry:

"Filled with the spirit of Satan, who knows how to transform himself into an angel of light, Freemasonry puts forward as its pretended aim the good of humanity. Paying a lip service to the authority of law, and even to the obligations of religion, it aims at the destruction of civil authority and the Christian priesthood, both of which it regards as the foes of human liberty." - Pope Leo XIII

"Their Law is Untruth: Their God is the Devil and their Cult is Turpitude." - Pope Pius VIII

JFK: "The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret pro- ceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarrented concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating it's arbitrary actions. Even today, there is little value in assuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control." http://www.networker.www3.50megs.com/jfk8.html


John Quincy Adams, The Sixth President of The United States said:

"I am prepared to complete the demonstration before God and man, that the Masonic oaths, obligations and penalties, cannot, by any possibility, be reconciled to the laws of morality, of Christianity, or of the land." J.Q. Adam's letter to Ed. Livingston.

Samuel Adams, The Father of the Revolution said: "I am decidedly opposed to all secret societies whatever!"

John Hancock, President of the Continental Congress said: "I am opposed to all secret societies."

James Madison, The Fourth President of the United States said: "From the number and character of those who now support the charges against Freemasonry, I cannot doubt that it is at least susceptible of abuse, outweighing any advantages promised by its patrons."

Whereas George W. Bush, when asked about his membership in Yale Skull & Bones on NBC's Meet the Press with Tim Russert, said "It's so secret I can't talk about it". A similar answer was given by his cousin John F Kerry, another Yale skull & bones member, when he was questioned about it.

By the way, why did purported 'pro-lifer' G.W. Bush vehemently campaign for rabid abortionist Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, when there was a pro life conservative republican named Pat Toomey, running against Specter in the primary? (See www.BushRevealed.com for archived articles and photos of Bush/Specter campaign photos.)

Interesting that Paul Fisher includes in his book a Wall Street Journal article from the 1980's in which Specter is revealed to be a 33rd degree freemason. 33rd degree freemasons stomp on a replica of the papal crown and say 'death to Rome' and other such things in their satanic rituals.

It's no wonder that Bush, whose father and grandfather were also both members of Skull and bones, and whose grandfather Prescott Bush financed Hitler and was charged by he US Govt under the TRADING WITH THE ENEMIES ACT in 1942, and his assets seized. George Herbert Walker Bush advocated global population control programs while he was a congressman in Texas, and openly criticized the Pope's statements against birth control at the time. [Details on Bush senior's war against the Pope]

This is all in the official U.S. Congressional Record and I will provide links if you wish to research it for yourself. Is it somehow surprising or confusing that GW Bush and his wife Laura would campaign for a liberal pro-abortion 33rd degree mason? Not at all.

Here is what the famous freemasons themselves say, in their own words:

From http://freemasonrywatch.org/3index.html

"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the son of the morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with it's splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!

Morals and Dogma, page 321 Illustrious Albert Pike 33° Sovereign Grand Commander Supreme Council 33°, The Mother Supreme Council of the World The "must read" Occult "Bible" of Freemasonry by the "Pope" of Freemasonry...

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The apex of our teachings has been the rituals of MORALS AND DOGMA, written over a century ago."

-Illustrious C. Fred Kleinknecht 33° Sovereign Grand Commander Supreme Council 33° The Mother Supreme Council of the World New Age Magazine, January 1989 The official organ of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Back to Patrick Henry: "We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth... For my part, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst; and to provide for it."

Which reminds me of another scripture, "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil: that put. darkness for light, and light for darkness: that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter." Isaiah 5:20

I won't even ask you why so many Catholics enthusiastically support this undeclared Iraq 'war' when the church and Popes are strictly against it and call it an unjust war.

Aleister Crowley was a proud satan worshipper and 33rd degree freemason, which go hand in hand: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859- 1&q=crowley+mason+satan

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In one of his last letters before his death, freemason Thomas Jefferson wrote: "May it be to the world, what I believe it will be (to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all), the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government. That form which we have substituted, restores the free right to the unbounded exercise of reason and freedom of opinion.

"All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God. These are grounds of hope for others. For ourselves, let the annual return of this day forever refresh our recollections of these rights, and an undiminished devotion to them."

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The constant referral to 'monkish' and 'popery' derisions by the freemason founders is not coincidental or accidental. Even on his death bed Jefferson let his true colors show regarding his philosphical war with the Church.- a war which still wages today. To the freemasons, liberty meant much more than political freedom from despots; it meant rejection of what they viewed as the 'chains' of God's law, the commandments of Jesus Christ and the Roman Catholic church.

In closing I will inclide excerpts from the EXCELLENT article MASONIC FAMILY VALUES:.

"Buried in a document of the Pontifical Council for Culture, dated March 13, 2004, is this surprising observation concerning the state of religious belief in the world:

"[A] certain cultural hostility is being spread against religions, especially Christianity and Catholicism in particular, notably through the means of social communication, and is promoted by Masonic sources active in different organisations."[i]

Just like that a Vatican pronouncement reminds us that the Church is still at war with Freemasonry. And we thought they had forgotten. This discovery can only be an embarrassment to those Catholic sophisticates who turn up their noses at what they view as an aberrantly traditionalist "preoccupation" with the role of Masonry in world affairs. Here we have a very recent document from the distinctively non-traditionalist Pontifical Council for Culture matter-of- factly remarking the existence of a worldwide campaign against the Church by "Masonic sources active in different organizations." That sounds awfully like the sort of Masonic conspiracy the sophisticates belittle in their supposedly more nuanced understanding of Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment history.

The Church versus the Masonic Sect... ...

Christ's divinely revealed commission to baptize and make disciples of all nations, teaching them to observe all things He has commanded, is a heresy in the Masonic system. For the Mason, the only god to whom all nations must be converted is Liberty. Before Liberty every knee must bend. Christ Himself must bend His knee to Liberty, respecting the autonomy of the newly created Masonic realm of secular politics. ....

However imperfectly Liberty was understood by the common man in revolutionary America, in the minds of those who wielded Liberty as a philosophical concept its meaning was crystal clear: freedom from any external authority not subject to the "sovereign will of the people"—which is to say, the overthrow of the Catholic social order of altar and throne, the dreaded memory of which was invoked to stoke the passions of the colonial masses. A typical example of this propaganda is a sermon by one Reverend Holly in defense of resistance to British taxation and other violations of "Liberty." If the colonists were to submit to British tyranny, Holly warned, it would only be a matter of time before their consciences would be

"bound by Popish chains, which, when thoroughly fastened upon us, away must go our Bibles, and in lieu thereof we must have imposed upon us, the superstitions and damnable heresies and idolatries of the church of Rome. Then we must pray to the Virgin Mary, worship images, believe their doctrine of purgatory, and the Pope's infallibility, and such like. And last of all, the deepest plot of hell and Rome, the holy inquisition, must guard the Catholic faith of the church of Rome, and bind us thereto with all its terrors and cruelty.[ix]

When all is said and done, Liberty has always meant emancipation from the claims of the Catholic Church on men and nations, or what Pierre Manent has called "the Church's complete subordination to the body politic."[x] Hence the incessant propaganda of colonial pamphleteers against "Popery" had the same object as the outright genocide of the Catholic hierarchy by the Jacobins of France: the suppression of what Pope Leo called "the power of that divine religion which the Freemasons hate in proportion to their fear of it." The Masonic mind's hatred and fear of Christ and His Church was summed up in Voltaire's famous epithet "ecrasons l'infame!" ("let us crush the infamous one"). The Lodge of Nine Muses inducted Voltaire into the Craft in 1778. In attendance was his American Masonic brother, Benjamin Franklin.

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-09-26   6:17:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: bluegrass (#74)

thanks for the post; because of your reponse i saw this 2 year old thread. interesting. ;-/

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-09-26   6:19:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Ferret Mike (#77)

Done deal

Not when Pharisaical fluffers smack their lips when fellating the ADL.

I find it hilarious that you haven't been able to provide one example of the ADL's 'good works' in two or three years.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-09-26   8:06:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Artisan (#79)

Not a prob. Glad you got something from it.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-09-26   9:39:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: bluegrass (#80)

Well, whatever fires your rocket. You have a one track mind, I don't. So it goes.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-09-27   0:10:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Ferret Mike (#82)

You have a one track mind

That track tends to go the opposite way of lies, deceit, treachery, blackmail, murder and other fun by-products of the ADL and its other narcissistic/sociopathic cousins.

How many 'good works' can a group do that has Meyer Lanksy's daughter as one of its honchos?

bluegrass  posted on  2008-09-27   1:34:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: bluegrass (#83)

End of discussion, it is past it's shelf life. But it's sure good to see you again and I hope things are going good for you. Later alligator.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-09-27   4:40:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Ferret Mike (#84)

it is past it's shelf life

Not by a long shot, pard. B'nai B'rith and its ugly little kid, the ADL, are instrumental in the police state that's now a reality in America.

I also hope things are also going well for you. They go better when one can admit the reality of what's in front of one's face.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-09-27   11:09:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Artisan, bluegrass, christine, Cynicom, Tauzero (#78)

For the record, no civil libertarian can want the Catholic church to take back global political power. The papacy was every bit as bad as the alleged Masonic conspiracy, and worse. If there is a Masonic plot, and I know many of you think there is, it may have grown out of the excesses of the Reformation, a much-needed turn of western events that eventually led to the founding of the United States. If true, it would be just another case of "meet the new boss, same as the old boss." I doubt it though. The west has the seeds of its own destruction buried in the fabric of our ideals. Those seeds are alive in each of us.

Civilizations do fall from time to time. It happens.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-27   11:29:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: buckeye, christine, Cynicom, Tauzero, Artisan (#86)

no civil libertarian can want the Catholic church to take back global political power.

Agreed. Monolithic power of any sort is anathema is liberty.

Those seeds are alive in each of us.

Indeed. You're a wise soul.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-09-27   11:31:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: bluegrass (#87)

Not yet wise enough to figure out how to get us back to freedom. Help!

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-27   11:42:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: buckeye (#88)

It might start with concerted efforts to pluck those seeds out of ourselves. Or maybe not...what the hell do I know?

bluegrass  posted on  2008-09-27   11:44:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: bluegrass (#89)

Sounds reasonable.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-27   11:54:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Christine, Jethro Tull, All (#50)

I've heared these claims before, but I've never discovered any of them to be historically factual. If I remember correctly, Pike was drummed out of the Confederate army for being extreme in his attacks on the Union Army. He was facing criminal charges, but all that ended up being glossed over.

Whatever his faults, he left a terrific legacy, at least in Freemasonry.

I don't know that Leo Taxil was ever a legitimate Mason, but he did well as a self-confessed fraud.

In any case, who really gives a shit, this is the 21st Century; a lot of great changes since the 1860s.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2008-09-27   13:58:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: SKYDRIFTER (#91)

In any case, who really gives a shit, this is the 21st Century; a lot of great changes since the 1860s.

Incorrect. There are MANY people that still buy into the Stone Age fairy tales of Judaism (that have morphed into things like Freemasonry) and other fables that have a direct bearing on the fates of billions.

Attempting to dismiss the past as irrelevant is not a very effective method of learning from our mistakes.

bluegrass  posted on  2008-09-27   14:06:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: buckeye (#86)

I think it's quite a strech to claim that Catholicism and libertarianism are incompatable, which seems to be essentially what you're saying. I believe the exact opposite is true, i've read many encyclicals on respect for life, property rights, parental rights, keeping the state out of marriage altoghether, etc directly from the vatican over the centuries. I don't see any conflict.

you ever heard of this one?

How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization by Thomas E. Woods, Jr. www.lewrockwell.com/woods/w oods40.html

www.amazon.com/review/pr oduct/0895260387? sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

as far as a Papal monarchy, i havent looked into it enough to comment. ;-). furthermore who are most of the neocon kooks with their tyranical agenda and wars? jews and protestants. who's the few maintsream guys who oppose it? pat buchanan, thomas woods, Joe sobran,.. all evangelicals? Nope. all Catholic, following the just war doctrine outlined by the church.

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-09-27   14:34:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Artisan (#93)

No, I'm just saying the Church ought not be restored to any level of direct political control. That would be a step backwards from where we are now, and the transgressions of the evangelical protestants only demonstrate that truth.

Your personal beliefs are yours, and you're welcome to observe them in the church of your choice. But don't think that putting your church in charge of the government would be progress.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-27   14:37:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: buckeye (#94)

But don't think that putting your church in charge of the government would be progress.

yeah, that's not something that i've ever advocated, although i have seen reference to it in passing, (referred to as 'Catholic monarchists'?)

i've never read up on it and don't know anything about it, on first glance it seems sort of silly , especially when discussing murika 2008. as i understand it, this world is satans and Jesus did not come here to be head of the earthly kingdom

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-09-27   14:43:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Artisan (#95)

I'm good with that. My point is that Masons were in opposition to that form of tyranny at one time. Looks to me as if they went too far in some ways. It happens.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-27   14:47:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: buckeye (#96)

as i understand it, the masons view of what they call 'liberty', (not on a superficial level as the average person think of the word liberty,) but the masons such as jeffersons and franklin's view was that they break the 'chains of monkish superstition' (monkish being a veiled reference specifically to Catholicism) as jefferson wrote on his deathbed shortly before his death. they view God's laws and a moral code as inhibiting their 'freedom'. Now if you want a fascinating read on documented facts about masonry in us govt, read BEHIND THE LODGE DOOR by paul fisher. fascinating read. one of the things he included which kept my attention was the fact that arlen specter, proponant of the magic bullet theory in the death of catholic JFK, is an admitted 33rd degree freemason, as outlined in a favorable wall street journal article in the 80's. jack kemp was also included in that article as a 33 degree mason.

he also includes many congressional records, military documents, court papers, etc. the author was a congresssional aide.

the masons and all their devil crap is widely known by both protestant and catholic nwo opponants, so at least we have agreement on this point.

so while they did establish this country with all their devil statues and architecture all over washington, i think the freedom rhetoric was a rouse from the start. and arent we still under the thumb of the queen anyway,? lol. also, did you ever see the bbc report of the 6 or 10 bodies found under mason kook ben franklins home in england a few yrs ago? im sure it was all just a coincidence., maybe they were looking for a kitty and got stuck under there.

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-09-27   15:01:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Artisan (#97)

I'm only going back to the beginning of freemasonry when the real evil in the world really was the secular rule of the Catholic church. I'm not about to jump on the anti-Jefferson bandwagon on account of his dabbling in new age religion. Until we had the American Constitution, Catholics and Protestants alike suffered from religious establishments of one kind or the other. The way I see it, the conflagration continues with the Roy Moore/Noahide movement, now revealing its ugly Christian Zionist head. Religion has very little role to play in secular government, and Jefferson was 100% correct on his cautious stance in that regard. More recent history makes for interesting speculation, but is beside my point: the Catholic church was an evil force when it had secular political power.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-27   15:09:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Artisan, Christine, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, bush_is_a_moonie, wudidiz (#78)


Here's the problem with Pike - he was super educated and rarely spoke to the level of the layman. "Morals and Dogma" is one hell of a tough read. The essence of it is that every great civilization has had morality as its foundation. Erode that foundation & the civilization quickly crumbles. Pike's allusions to the "ancient mysteries" leads to Manly P. Hall's "Secret Teachings of all Ages;" there the "mysteries" (non-Masonic) are explained. If you're not REALLY curious, don't bother with that one. The material is a good reference source, but it's almost a distraction, otherwise. Esoteric groupies love that book. It's online at http://phoenixmasonry.org .

You'll discover that in the original Hebrew scripture, "Lucifer" announced the impending dawn. Pikes reference was to 'light,' as in the Masonic allusion to "truth." (Amazing, what the Catholic Church did with that

I only know one Mason who claims to have actually read "Morals and Dogma." The book remains an Icon, as the Scottish Rite Ritual is based upon that work. I've read a decent percentage of it, but not all of it.

The Masons aren't perfect, anymore than the typical church group - experts on scripture, but ignorant of God. At the moment, I'm at extreme odds with my own Grand Lodge. It seems that the effects of the New World Order have crept into the Grand Lodges. There is quite a crowd in the various Lodges, trying to inject P-C, which conflicts with the Obligations and the Masonic Code. You should hear the groans in Lodge when I remind a Master that a particular proposal defies the Masonic Code - which all Master Masons pledge to abide by. In most institutions of America, "manufactured consensus" has taken over, such that a passionate lie is quite often taken as truth; that's readily discovered in the Lodges, as well.

Having sad all that, please don't think that I walk in the shadow of Masonic blind faith/obedience. Viet Nam taught me the horror of 'going along; to get along.'

I drive the Washington Masons nuts. On one hand they detest my history of going toe-to-toe with Grand Masters. On the other they can't deny my contributions to the Craft, such as my works seen at http://phoenixmasonry.org . (Referring to my scanning of the major ancient Masonic books, dating back to 1723. Add my own work, "The Enigma of Freemasonry.")

In the meantime, the ignorance among the local Masons leaves me in the position to answer questions, which they think are among the 'mysteries.' Even those who seriously don't like me won't challenge my knowledge. Alternatively, those seeking answers will seek me out for answers. I get the best of both worlds; better to be talked about, than forgotten.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2008-09-27   15:19:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: buckeye (#98)

but is beside my point: the Catholic church was an evil force when it had secular political power.

i dont know enough about that to discuss it or refute it, but ill look into it sometime. i do know, however, that high level masons are evil kooks and i would never give them a pass or attribute benevolent intentions to them.

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-09-27   15:19:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: SKYDRIFTER (#99)

interesting. do you ever talk about 911 with them there at the lodge? and if so, what is their response? i once talked with a guy, we had started a convo about 911, he knew it was an inside job and he was also a freemason. so i'm sure you're not the only one.

how would freemasons for 911 truth strike ya? not trying to be an idiot but seriously, would that get you ostracized?

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-09-27   15:22:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Artisan (#100)

Catholic control over Europe's political systems during the Middle Ages meets every definition of tyranny. It's important to separate the Catholic faith from its historical political ambitions. I think the will to power is always there, and it would be hardly fair to describe it as inherently Catholic. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-27   15:24:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: SKYDRIFTER (#99)

What do you think of the three world wars letter?

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-27   15:37:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Artisan, Christine, Jethro Tull, All (#101)

My last Lodge meeting was on 9-11, 2008. The Master opened a discussion "at refreshment" on 9-11. I laid out the key evidence which illustrated 9-11 as being undeniably an inside job. While those present knew me to be controversial, they didn't say a word in opposition. One Brother works for TSA; but I think he went home quite disturbed. If I end up on the no-fly list; I'll know the source.

Masons are prohibited from taking political or religious positions (other than a belief in a Supreme Being), in the name of Freemasonry. So, such positions are unique to the individuals. We can independently get together & debate any subject, but not in a closed Lodge meeting, or using the "Masonic" name in public. Such could get you expelled, quickly.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2008-09-27   16:03:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: bluegrass (#92)

Incorrect. There are MANY people that still buy into the Stone Age fairy tales of Judaism (that have morphed into things like Freemasonry) and other fables that have a direct bearing on the fates of billions.

Attempting to dismiss the past as irrelevant is not a very effective method of learning from our mistakes.


Well, considering that the "Old Testament" is essentially a combination of the Torah & Talmud, do we hold out Christianity as a fraud? As a break-away Jewish sect? Where do you draw the "pertinence" line between the ancient and the modern? I'm convinced that Freemasonry has a direct lineage to the Templars; but it's hell trying to arrive at a convincing presentation.

Sometimes history is very accurate, with distortionists easily exposed. Sometimes, we're stuck, not knowing how or where to draw a line in the sand. The fable of "The Blind Men and the Elephant" holds a lot of wisdom.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2008-09-27   16:22:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: buckeye (#103)

What do you think of the three world wars letter?

I'm missing your reference, clarify, please.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2008-09-27   16:24:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: SKYDRIFTER (#106)

www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike.htm

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-27   16:25:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: SKYDRIFTER (#106)

I have my own opinions, but before I revisit them, I'd like your opinion. Feel free to take as long as you like.

buckeye  posted on  2008-09-27   16:26:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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