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Title: The Christian Axis of Evil
Source: LRC
URL Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance85.html
Published: Jul 26, 2006
Author: Laurence M. Vance
Post Date: 2006-07-26 11:44:18 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 457
Comments: 16

"North Korea is a regime arming with missiles and weapons of mass destruction, while starving its citizens. Iran aggressively pursues these weapons and exports terror, while an unelected few repress the Iranian people’s hope for freedom. Iraq continues to flaunt its hostility toward America and to support terror. . . . States like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world." ~ President George W. Bush, State of the Union Address, January 29, 2002.

"Beyond the axis of evil, there are other rogue states intent on acquiring weapons of mass destruction – particularly biological weapons. . . . In addition to Libya and Syria, there is a threat coming from another BWC signatory, and one that lies just 90 miles from the U.S. mainland – namely, Cuba." ~ U.S. Ambassador to the UN John R. Bolton, Remarks to the Heritage Foundation, May 6, 2002.

Bush and Bolton chose their words carefully. The term "axis of evil" was deliberately designed to invoke images of the Axis Powers in World War II, which, of course, included Nazi Germany. Saddam Hussein was then said to be another Hitler, and the U.S. invaded Iraq. Now it is the president of Iran who is being compared to Hitler, by the Bush administration and others.

And who will be among the first to support the president’s next military adventure? Why, the same ones that will support his current endeavor until the bitter end: Christians who try to serve two masters – Christ and the state (as long as it is controlled by "conservatives" or the Republican Party).

It is a disgrace – no, it is a moral outrage – that many Christians continue to support Bush and his war. Christian "leaders" are leading their followers astray. The blind are leading the blind. It is Christian "leaders" who moonlight as apologists for Bush and his war that make up the true axis of evil. To match the six members of Bush and Bolton’s axis of evil, here are six members of the Christian axis of evil.

The first member of the Christian axis of evil is the Baptist pastor Jerry "God is pro-war" Falwell. It was bad enough when Falwell made a ridiculous, feeble attempt to justify, with Scripture, Bush’s invasion of Iraq in a horrendous 2004 WorldNetDaily article entitled "God is Pro-war." (I have critiqued this article here). On FOX News’ Hannity & Colmes show on February 11, 2005, Rev. Falwell appeared opposite Rev. Wallis of Sojourners and tried to deny that many evangelical Christians were opposed to the Iraq war. Falwell’s claim that the anti-war Christian movement could fit into a phone booth shows just how out of touch with reality he is. Falwell’s Liberty University (supposedly a Baptist institution) then gave Hannity (a Roman Catholic) an honorary doctorate, and had him deliver the university’s commencement address on May 14, 2005. Senator John McCain, said by Liberty to be "a practicing Christian," delivered the commencement address this year.

The second member of the Christian axis of evil is Pat "take out Chavez" Robertson. He is another Christian apologist for the Republican Party who has supported this war from the beginning. Robertson, who actually believes the war is being fought on Christian principles, considers criticism of the war to be treason. It should be noted that Robertson’s "faith-based initiative," Operation Blessing, receives millions of dollars in federal grants every year.

The third member of the Christian axis of evil is the psychologist and author James "just war" Dobson of Focus on the Family. Back on March 31, 2003, soon after the invasion of Iraq, Dobson expressed his support for the war on his national daily radio broadcast. America entered Iraq "as a liberator – not as a conqueror." After equating Saddam Hussein with Stalin and Hitler, Dobson labeled Hussein another brutal tyrant who "must be stopped" because the United States has a "moral obligation" to stop evil and tyranny. Invoking the Neville Chamberlain argument, Dobson insisted that "appeasement of tyrants is never successful!" Just before this broadcast, in the March 27, 2003, issue of Boundless (a webzine published by Focus on the Family), a two-part column by Jay Budziszewski (Professor Theophilus) was interrupted in the "Office Hours" section to reprint one of his "classic" columns from the April 29, 1999, issue entitled "Can War Be Justified?" His answer was, of course, yes, even if the war is not for self-defense.

That was three years ago. Perhaps Dobson has changed his mind?

Since phone calls and e-mails to his organization yield no response to this important question, we will have to rely on Focus on the Family publications, including its website. In the March 2006 issue of Citizen magazine, there is a pro-war article entitled "Worth the Sacrifice." The author, Karl Zinsmeister, believes the war is justified because of how we are helping the children of Iraq. He believes that the United States has been "fighting a war of principle, for self-determination, to make a grim part of the world more humane and thereby less threatening, so that our children and Iraq’s can grow up to enjoy God’s dignity and freedom." In the same issue of Citizen, there is an interview conducted by associate editor Stephen Adam with Daniel Ayalon, the Israeli ambassador to the United States. The interview is headlined "Israel, Iran and the Global War on Terror." In reply to the question: "Do you agree with President Bush’s approach to the global war on terror?" the Israeli ambassador said:

Absolutely. Absolutely. We have to realize it’s a war – and it’s a total war-and once you realize it, that you’re in a war, you cannot fight with one hand tied behind your back. The terrorists do not do that. They would use any vulnerability and everything in their power to destroy us. So, we have to be prepared for that. We have to take the war into their camp. If you play defensive, you know, things like 9/11 can happen again. You have to go after them to frustrate their organization, to go after their leaders, after everybody who gives them shelter as well.

A broadcast CD is available for sale from the Focus Resource Center entitled "Supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom." It is described on the website with these words: "Dr. and Mrs. Dobson, along with co-host John Fuller, express their support for America’s military, discuss the atrocities taking place under Iraq’s evil regime, and emphasize the need for our nation to unite in prayer." There is no date given for when the broadcast was aired, but that is irrelevant since it is still for sale on the website. On April 19th and 20th of this year, Dobson interviewed on his radio program Admiral Timothy Keating, the current Commander of NORAD and NORTHCOM at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado. Obviously, this was not to criticize the war.

The fourth member of the Christian axis of evil is the prophecy guru Hal "I’m on my fourth wife" Lindsey, who recently claimed in a column for WorldNetDaily, contrary to the Bush administration, that "it is now evident to all but the blindest partisans that the intelligence was correct and that Saddam not only had weapons of mass destruction, but that he worked directly with al-Qaida." Incredibly, after saying in his article that "Lenin is reputed to have referred to blind defenders and apologists for the Soviet Union in the Western democracies as ‘useful idiots,’" Lindsey, one of the blindest apologists for this war that Bush could ever hope for, labels opponents of Bush’s war as the "useful idiots."

The fifth member of the Christian axis of evil is Cal "I have a long list of favorite patriotic movies" Thomas. Back before the Iraq war formally started in March of 2003, Thomas, invoking Scripture, wrote in a column dated February 19, 2003, that "if ever there was a ‘time for war’ (Ecclesiastes 3:8), surely this is it." This was just after he wrote in a column dated February 6, 2003, about Colin Powell speaking to the U.N. Security Council and making "so strong a case that Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein is in material breach of U.N. resolutions that only the duped, the dumb and the desperate could ignore it." This is the speech that Lawrence Wilkerson, a former colonel in the U.S. Army, a decorated Vietnam vet, and a life-long Republican who served as chief of staff to former Secretary of State Colin Powell, has recently stated was "a hoax on the American people, the international community, and the United Nations Security Council." This is the speech that Powell himself said, in a February 2005 interview with Barbara Walters on the ABC News 20/20 program, was a "blot" on his record. Did Thomas learn from his mistake? His most recent statement about the war is his most radical one yet: "This war should be stepped up and fought like World War II." And this man is "the most widely published op-ed writer in the world"?

The sixth member of the Christian axis of evil is Pat "I wanna get in the Rock N’ Roll Hall of Fame" Boone. Although he has been in the news of late for rebuking the Dixie Chicks because they refuse to respect a president who lied the country into war, Boone was a full-fledged Christian warmonger and Bush apologist long before then. But that hasn’t stopped him from being an embarrassment to the president:

Boone: "More 9-11s are gonna happen unless we try to take the battle to them on their turf instead of letting ’em bring it to us on ours."

Bush: "We have no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th."

Boone: "Pre-war intelligence about Saddam’s WMDs was correct all along."

Bush: "It is true that most of the intelligence turned out to be wrong."

Boone is part of a desperate group of diehard Republican armchair warriors who maintain that Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction were smuggled across the border into Syria. But being the champion warmonger that he is, Boone further maintains that "they may still be there, waiting to be used against us." First it was said to be an unnamed number of trucks that transferred the weapons to Syria in February and March of 2003. Now it is said to be converted 747 passenger jets that transported the weapons into Syria in 2002. The latter claim (examined here) is based on the word of former Iraqi general Georges Sada (examined here), who claims that the two pilots (unnamed) of the two airliners that moved the weapons on fifty-six flights told him about it (he was not an eyewitness). Syria? According to Stephen Zunes (Middle East editor for Foreign Policy In Focus, and author of Tinderbox: U.S. Middle East Policy and the Roots of Terrorism (Common Courage Press, 2002):

Syria, despite being ruled by the Baath Party, has historically been a major rival of Iraq’s Baath regime. Syria was the only Arab country to back Iran during the Iran-Iraq War. It was one of the only non-monarchical Arab states to have backed the United States against Iraq during the first Gulf War. Iraq and Syria backed rival factions in Lebanon’s civil war. As a member of the United Nations Security Council, Syria voted this past November in favor of the U.S.-backed resolution 1441 that demanded full cooperation by the Baghdad government with United Nations inspectors, with the threat of severe consequences if it failed to do so.

But as I have previously showed in my article, "Weapons of Mass Distraction," it doesn’t matter whether Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. There is still absolutely no reason why the United States would be justified in attacking and invading a sovereign country – no matter what we thought of that country’s ruler, system of government, economic policies, religious intolerance, or human rights record.

Poor Pat Boone doesn’t know if he wants to be a consecrated Christian or a rock star; he hasn’t decided whether he should be a singer or a political commentator.

I suppose that since the publisher of WorldNetDaily, Joseph "I believe I am the only serious daily news columnist on the Internet" Farah, published the articles I referenced by Falwell, Lindsey, and Boone, and, judging by the things he himself has written, believes what those gentlemen have written, that he will have to be added to the Christian axis of evil as well. But that would make seven members, and since I have limited the group in this article to six, I won’t include him – this time.

Anyone who is familiar with my writings knows that I do not write these criticisms as an outsider. I am willing to match my Christian, Protestant, conservative, evangelical, fundamentalist, Baptist credentials up against anyone. And yes, I know all about the doctrines of Islam and the dangers of "Islamofascism." But I also know all about the insidious nature of a U.S. foreign policy that sows discord, stirs up strife, intensifies hatred, and creates terrorists.

There is no telling how many thousands of Christian Americans that Bush administration lapdogs Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, Lindsey, Thomas, and Boone have influenced. I am sure there are many other Christian leaders and wannabe leaders who, because they likewise serve as cheerleaders for the president, the war, and the military, are candidates for membership in the Christian axis of evil. Identify them, mark them, avoid them – and speak out against them if you can. It is only when Christians learn to look behind the façade of religious piousness that cloaks these Christian warmongers that the influence of the Christian axis of evil will be destroyed.

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#1. To: christine (#0)

Identify them, mark them, avoid them – and speak out against them if you can. It is only when Christians learn to look behind the façade of religious piousness that cloaks these Christian warmongers that the influence of the Christian axis of evil will be destroyed.

Outstanding article - thank you.


War - it's for the children

Lod  posted on  2006-07-26   11:51:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Zoroaster, bluegrass, Zipporah, mehitable, rowdee, innieway, noone222, BTP Holdings, Lady X, Jethro Tull, ..., HOUNDDAWG, Phant2000, jessejane, Cynicom, loner, peteatomic, Eoghan, Esso, Hmmmmm, robin, all (#0)

But as I have previously showed in my article, "Weapons of Mass Distraction," it doesn’t matter whether Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. There is still absolutely no reason why the United States would be justified in attacking and invading a sovereign country – no matter what we thought of that country’s ruler, system of government, economic policies, religious intolerance, or human rights record.

"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." —Israeli Prime Minister Menechem Begin

christine  posted on  2006-07-26   12:12:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: christine (#2)

It comes down to text within the Scofield Study Bible....printed by the Oxford University Press's own dispensationalist bible, custom written in 1962

The Cause of the Conflict. Fixing Blame By C. E. Carlson

The terrible war between Israel and Palestine that erupted in a second uprising of the prisoners (Intifada II) 20 months ago has claimed over 2,000 Palestinian lives and almost 600 Israelis. It is time to name and condemn the responsible parties. Only then can the killing stop. This will be the least complicated of this 9-or 10-chapter series entitled "Inside the Gaza Strip." The final chapter will be completed next week.

Naming the guilty parties is easy because they have come forward publicly to name themselves. The guilty are neither the Palestinian nor the Israeli people. At the root of the problem is a race-hate cult that has emerged under American Zionist leadership. Without this unholy alliance there would have been no uprisings, because the West Bank and Gaza would not have become occupied territories.

Ralph Reed, Chairman of the Georgia Republican Party and former executive director of Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition, and Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein, founder of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, have become co-chairmen of a new anti-Islamic hate group called the "Stand for Israel" campaign." Southern Baptists Jerry Falwell and Oliver North, and many others have expressed support for the campaign's goal of recruiting 100,000 churches and a million Christians to "support Israel".

Rabbi Eckstein describes "Stand for Israel" as the "the Christian AIPAC" (American Israeli Political Affairs Committee). Please see our report on an AIPAC meeting held on May 13, 2002. At that meeting the National Anthem of Israel was sung, but not the Star Spangled Banner (http://www.whtt.org/articles/020513.htm). Note that AIPAC is called "American," but it is controlled by Israel. "Stand for Israel" will also be controlled by Israel.

The "Stand for Israel" campaign is a hate group pitting Christians against Muslims and led by Israeli Patriots. The Southern Baptist Convention is for Israel and against Islam. Our source is the Christian leaders' own words. Let us quote some of its founders and most powerful supporters:

According to a report by Adella M. Banks of the Religious News Service, the new SBC president, Reverend Jack Graham, pastor of Prestonwood Baptist Church in Plano, Texas, joined other leaders of his denomination in publicly denouncing Islam's venerated prophet Mohammed as a "demon-possessed pedophile." This could be likened to calling the pope a pervert--a highly unusual act by a dignified church leadership committed to Christ's commandment to "love your brother" and even "your enemy."

Here is the text of the statement by Jerry Vines, outgoing president of the SBC: "Islam is founded by Mohammed, a demon-possessed pedophile who had 12 wives, and his last one was a nine-year old girl." (emphasis added) So said Reverend Vines.

After his June 11 election, Dr. Graham said he believes successor's statement is "accurate." Mr. Graham did not make it clear why having a harem, one wife being a child, is proof of either pedophilia or demon-possession in the 9th century. Baptists also read the Book of Genesis as if it were written today, as we will see.

Perhaps Dr. Graham is judging the Islamist prophet's marriage and sexual practices by his own congregation in Dallas, Texas, in the 21st century. It is noted that the word "pedophile" is big in religious news right now--a handy word to toss around a Baptist Convention because everyone has learned what it means. But name calling and character slurs is mild when compared two what others in the Baptist bureaucracy want to say

Richard L. Land, a Harvard-educated spokesman for the SBC, obviously thinks Southern Baptist ethics do not preclude slandering another religion, if that religion is an enemy of Israel. What has Dr. Land said about the ethics of Catholic leaders on the subject of pedophilia? Very little said, judging from the SBC website. Dr. Land saves his attacks for enemies of Israel--the hapless Palestinians, some of whom are Baptists, too, and among whom, crimes like this are virtually unheard of.

In its condemnation of Mohammed, the Southern Baptist leadership did not mention the well-known rules for pederasty set out in Israel's state religion, Judaism, in the 5th century Talmud, gross and ugly as they are (Sanhedrin 55b-55a). Rabbi Eckstein could no doubt enlighten Mr. Land about what the Talmud says.

Outgoing President Vine expressed what must be taken as the official Southern Baptist view. His choice of words, "pedophile" and "demonic," is slanderous and seems designed to deliberately provoke anger among Muslims. Reverend Graham affirmed Vine's comment, but later soft-peddled by stating "we realize there are differences in religions but every person has the right to worship in adherence to the confines and dictates of his heart." Obviously Dr. Graham cannot believe both of his statements. Hatred of Islam is Baptist policy, and it leads not to a call for political action, but to war on Islam.

The SBC's own leadership explains the heretical use of scripture that demands it go to war against Islam on the side of Rabbi Eckstein and his fellow Israeli Patriots. Richard L. Land, a permanent fixture as head of the powerful Southern Baptist Ethics and Religious Liberties Commission stated:

"God made an unconditional covenant (with the present day state of Israel), and he doesn't negotiate. It's God's way or the highway."33; (emphasis added)

These are not just hot words from a cold pulpit; they were delivered at a June 10 press briefing at the Southern Baptist Convention at the American Center in St. Louis. They are Dr. Land's crass way of saying Palestinian families should hit the road and turn over their land to the state of Israel, because he thinks they did not get their land title from God. Dr. Land, like so many others, does not tell the Palestinians which highway to use or which desert they should march out into. His interpretation of scripture dictates that each family give up all its worldly property and leave...or die like many already have.

Land continued: "Supporting Israel is a matter of being obedient to God." 33;(emphasis added)

Can anyone doubt the meaning of Dr. Land's words? He has said that the state of Israel is carrying out God's work. Therefore, the secular state of Israel is the Baptist Church's proxy God. What does this make Ariel Sharon? What about the first of the Ten Commandments: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

When the Baptists allow Israel's Sharon to become a God icon, they accept the acts of Israel as their own. By so doing, the Southern Baptist Convention has declared itself to be a 25-million-member hate cult led by Ariel Sharon, or whoever replaces him when his acts become so hideous the world will no longer accept them.

Ariel Sharon embraces the Celebrity Christians fondly as "Christian Zionists," but he makes no secret of his own heathenism. Recently Sharon told the American Congress he knows the land of Palestine was given to the Zionists because "the Pope told me so." Sharon loves to joke of those who believe in God.

Whatever became of the "Christian Right"? Dr. Land provides a childish explanation which he no doubt expects every Baptist to understand from the footnotes of his Scofield or McArthur Study Bible. These are the incredible words Dr. Land has publicly proclaimed: "God has blessed them (referring to Arabs), and He will continue to bless them everywhere but Palestine, because God gave Palestine to the descendants of Isaac forever." (emphasis added)

Land's logic is explained in the heretical footnotes of Oxford University Press's own dispensationalist bible, custom written in 1962 and named the Scofield Study Bible (to be discussed in detail in our next edition). The Southern Baptist Convention has apparently dropped the true and uncorrupted bible as its standard of truth; it now relies on footnotes printed in a book published by one of the most anti-Christian publishers one could find. Dr. Land quotes almost word-for-word from the Oxford bible's heretical footnotes, composed by unknown and unspecified authors 500 or more years after the King James Edition was written.

The SBC interprets the ancient Hebrew Scriptures found in Genesis as if they were written in 1948. The reason for this is that the Oxford Press rewrote the Baptists' favorite Bible in 1962 to accommodate the creation of the state of Israel 14 years before. In other words, a secular publisher rewrote Genesis by adding and changing hundreds of pages of interpretive footnotes, some of which recognized "Israel" as a state, and declared it a national sin not to support the Israeli government.

Dr. Land wants us to believe that while God blessed both the sons of Abram, one was given land and the other none. Furthermore, he wants us to believe he has divine knowledge of which of the sons is the founder of which living tribe, and moreover he want us to believe he knows which families today are descended from each of the two sons. He gets his information from an Oxford 1962 vintage heretical bible. Of course, there is not a shred of historical or genetic evidence to support any of these assumptions. Abraham's DNA has not been found.

Worst of all, based upon Dr. Land's (and Rabbi Eckstein's) interpretation of these footnotes, we are supposed to decide who lives and who dies in the Middle East.

Had Oxford University Press known they could get away with it in 1962; they might have inserted a footnote about Prophet Mohammed that made him out to be a "demon-possessed pedophile." After all, Mohammed was born well before 1962, so why not put him in too?

The SBC's outrageously racist words make this writer personally ashamed to have once been a Baptist Deacon. Drs. Graham, Vine and Land and many others all clearly tell us they are prepared to commit genocide on the Palestinian people, members of the Arab race. Perhaps it is less painful to watch them die if their Prophet is considered a pedophile and a devil.

Dr. Land wills that the Arabs should leave. He makes no concession for the Christian Arabs in Palestine, which includes some of my own friends who live in Gaza and attend the Baptist Church there. Land says they must hit the "highway" because God gave the land they live on to someone called Jacob who fathered a different tribe. Thus, on account of their race, they must die or starve, even if they are Baptists. How racist can you get? Does this also apply to Arab Jews in Gaza, of whom there are quite a few, I'm sure?

Not a single Israeli of any religion can prove himself to be in direct lineage to someone three thousand years ago. This is also true of the rest of us, no matter how tidy the family records. Yale University geneticist Mazim Qumseyeh has told We Hold These Truths that the DNA evidence is not available and that the Arab Palestinian is genetically similar to the Arab Jew.

In Gaza City, the Baptist church is located between the Library of Culture and Light and the Islamic Center on Omar Mukhter Boulevard. There I met and interviewed three Christian Arab members who consider themselves Baptists. Some of them have already been bombed by the Israelis. One, who asked that I not use his name, (Mr. J.) had to find a new school for his two boys because the Israelis had bombed their school into rubble a few days before I arrived. They used American-made F-16s and 500-pound American Smart Bombs.

Dr. Land and his allies would, of course, approve of this raid, because they believe the Israelis are of Jacob's seed and the Arabs are of Ishmael's. But they have no shred of evidence for either belief, except in the footnotes of the Oxford Bible and its several prosperous imitators. Does Dr. Land have a special "dispensation33; to protect Mr. J' s children, when the rest of the Arabs have to hit the "highway?" Does he really believe Israelis from Russia should occupy Mr. J's land that his family has owned for hundreds of years?

robnoel  posted on  2006-07-26   12:22:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: robnoel, Glenna (#3)

Dr. Land wills that the Arabs should leave. He makes no concession for the Christian Arabs in Palestine, which includes some of my own friends who live in Gaza and attend the Baptist Church there. Land says they must hit the "highway" because God gave the land they live on to someone called Jacob who fathered a different tribe. Thus, on account of their race, they must die or starve, even if they are Baptists. How racist can you get? Does this also apply to Arab Jews in Gaza, of whom there are quite a few, I'm sure?

excellent article, robby.

"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." —Israeli Prime Minister Menechem Begin

christine  posted on  2006-07-26   12:35:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: christine (#0)

The fifth member of the Christian axis of evil is Cal "I have a long list of favorite patriotic movies" Thomas. ...This was just after he wrote in a column dated February 6, 2003, about Colin Powell speaking to the U.N. Security Council and making "so strong a case that Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein is in material breach of U.N. resolutions that only the duped, the dumb and the desperate could ignore it."

But ol Cal doesn't have a problem at all with the fact that Israel is in material breach of more U.N. resolutions than any other nation on the planet..

Similar "doublespeak" could be commented on for each of the 6 the author mentioned.

This article demonstrates (and makes me appreciate) why I am NOT a christian. I just don't "meet the standards". Since I don't do things that ALL christians know is fine to do like chomping a pork chop or having a shrimp cocktail, or participate in christmas and easter; and DO things which christians don't do such as making sure I don't wear any articles of clothing made up of mixed fabrics (even if it's 99% cotton, 1% nylon) apparently I simply don't qualify to fit into the group. Thank God we still have the right of religious free exercise in this country. It is THE basis of the ability to follow Common Law as opposed to civil law, but you must actively PRACTICE your beliefs. Everyone knows christians don't mind participating in the census - so they can't claim the exemption based upon violation of religious beliefs (which is on the form!). Ditto for having your kids vaccinated for school. Hmmmm, sidetracked didn't I - don't know how I got onto that rant HAHAHAHAHA

Anyhow, Great article Christine! Thanks!

"This country has come to feel the same when congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer." Will Rogers..... "None can love freedom heartily but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license." John Milton.....

innieway  posted on  2006-07-26   12:40:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: robnoel (#3)

This article was from 2002. It wasn't until the following year when Bushco invaded Iraq that I realized the SBC was indistinguishable from the neocon wing of the GOP. The men of the church almost literally began reading me the Riot Act for not bowing down and worshipping the Chimp of God.

In fact, all these groups are probably interrelated. Hezbollah, which I've seen referenced as "Party of God" in Arabic, translated into English is no doubt GOP (God's Own Party).

I will never voluntarily go to another Southern Baptist Church, except for attending funerals etc., for the rest of my life. And I was a member of the local SBC church here for 10 years. Even sang in the choir. Their notes have turned discordant. It's a helluva note what's happened to them. The First Bat$h!t (Crazy) Church.

Sam Houston  posted on  2006-07-26   12:44:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Sam Houston (#6)

In fact, all these groups are probably interrelated. Hezbollah, which I've seen referenced as "Party of God" in Arabic, translated into English is no doubt GOP (God's Own Party).

Very interesting observation Sam.

"This country has come to feel the same when congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer." Will Rogers..... "None can love freedom heartily but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license." John Milton.....

innieway  posted on  2006-07-26   12:50:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Sam Houston (#6)

I can relate. Not all good evangelical churches are like this though.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-07-26   13:07:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: christine (#2)

Did Thomas learn from his mistake? His most recent statement about the war is his most radical one yet: "This war should be stepped up and fought like World War II." And this man is "the most widely published op-ed writer in the world"?

I would love for Cal Thomas to elucidate exactly how one fights an ill defined "War on a Tactic of the Weak" (I invite everyone to assist me in my "War on the Hasty Ambush" since we're fighting tactics rather than enemies now) like we fought WW2. I guess he'd want to have rationing instituted, and conscript about 11 million men (I guess we could draft women now, too) and get government controls on virtually every facet of life. Taxes would probably have to be raised to about 85% on the lowest tax bracket just to pay for the equipment for all those new soldiers.

But, the question would still remain: to what end? With such an ill defined conflict, who would all those soldiers fight? I think the biggest question that really can't be answered is: What does success look like? How is victory even determined? To say that the desired end state is that no one anywhere on earth can attack the US, that is both unrealistic and unobtainable (it also begs all the alpha male types on the planet to attempt to do so). Barring that, what level of threat (real or perceived) is acceptable so that the War on a Tactic of the Weak can be considered complete? Given the nature of the government mind this war can never end, because no one wants to declare it over and then be proven wrong.

"In terms of ordinary, day-to-day actions, there is a Golden Rule for winning at the moral level, and it is this: Don’t do anything to someone else that, if it were done to you, would make you fight." William S. Lind

historian1944  posted on  2006-07-26   13:48:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: historian1944 (#9)

But, the question would still remain: to what end? With such an ill defined conflict, who would all those soldiers fight? I think the biggest question that really can't be answered is: What does success look like? How is victory even determined? To say that the desired end state is that no one anywhere on earth can attack the US, that is both unrealistic and unobtainable (it also begs all the alpha male types on the planet to attempt to do so). Barring that, what level of threat (real or perceived) is acceptable so that the War on a Tactic of the Weak can be considered complete? Given the nature of the government mind this war can never end, because no one wants to declare it over and then be proven wrong.

well, of course the global elites whose agenda is to gain more power and wealth with ongoing ambiguous wars ("War on a Tactic of the Weak") have no desire to see them end nor do they care one iota for the men and women fighting and dying for them.

enjoyed your comments.

"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." —Israeli Prime Minister Menechem Begin

christine  posted on  2006-07-26   18:10:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: christine (#0)

There is no telling how many thousands of Christian Americans that Bush administration lapdogs Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, Lindsey, Thomas, and Boone have influenced. I am sure there are many other Christian leaders and wannabe leaders who, because they likewise serve as cheerleaders for the president, the war, and the military, are candidates for membership in the Christian axis of evil. Identify them, mark them, avoid them – and speak out against them if you can

Outstanding - I am surrounded by these "Christian" war mongers.

tom007  posted on  2006-07-26   19:28:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: robnoel (#3)

Not a single Israeli of any religion can prove himself to be in direct lineage to someone three thousand years ago. This is also true of the rest of us, no matter how tidy the family records.

E. Gibbons, of The Decline and Fall of Rome" fame flatly states that no one, including royality, can realistically trace his relations past the twelth or thirteenth century. All is fable, according the the tremendous mind of Gibbons.

The disasters of that era erased any resonable thread of historical kinship, in Europe and the ME.

I am sure he was not commenting on east Asia's situation, tho.

tom007  posted on  2006-07-26   19:38:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: christine (#0)

Thanks for the flag.

Pat 'kill Chavez' Robertson, Jimmy 'I have sinned' Swaggart, and remember PTL's Jim & Tammy 'too much makeup' Bakker? All three of these fools belong to the Assemblies of God. It is a pentecostal church that broke with other pentecostal protestants in the early part of the twentieth century because it didn't want to be integrated with black preachers.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-07-28   9:16:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Sam Houston (#6)

I realized the SBC was indistinguishable from the neocon wing of the GOP. The men of the church almost literally began reading me the Riot Act for not bowing down and worshipping the Chimp of God.

There's a reason for that. The Southern Baptist Church is heavily infiltrated with Judeo-Freemasonry [ http://tracingboard.com/noachites.h tm ].

"The Christian Right, The Pope, the Knights of Malta and the CNP

To understand the puzzle, we are quoting from an Encyclopedia of Freemasonry and Its Kindred Sciences," etc. by Albert G. Mackey, M.D., Thirty- Third Degree, Volume I, published by the Masonic History Company, Chicago, New York, & London, 1925, Volume One, pp. 392-95:

"This Order, which at various times in the progress of its history received the names of Knights Hospitalers, Knights of St. John of Jerusalem, Knights of Rhodes, and lastly, Knights of Malta, was one of the most important of the religious and military orders of knighthood which sprang into existence during the Crusades which were instituted for the recovery of the Holy Land...."

"....CHEY: Umhum. That's what "unification" is all about. Unify everything under a big world religion. He financed the World Parliament of Religions that included the Covenant of Isis and all of these Theosophical Society groups and Christian Groups. Some of the Baptist churches participated in that. So, it's a very, very dangerous thing.

KELLEIGH: I'm not surprised with the Baptist churches because of there are so many Freemasons within the Baptist church and the core of Sun Myung Moon and freemasonry is very similar.

CHEY: That's true, although freemasonry is broader than just being confined to the Baptist church. But, I know that the Southern Baptist Convention identified over half a million freemasons and there was a big issue within their church on whether they should allow freemasonry, members of freemasonry to be church members. They do have this "great architect of the universe" mentality and recognize plurality of religions that spans from Christianity through all the eastern religions and Buddhism and Hindus and Shintos and many, many different religious organizations that, Biblically, Christians are told not to fellowship with. It's a matter of being unequally yoked with unbelievers...."

The Christian Right, The Pope, the Knights of Malta and the CNP at http://cephasministry.com

Freemasonry and the Church: A Christian Worker's Perspective

http://www.saintsalive.com/freemasonry/fm-church.htm

A Pastor and Freemasonry: What's a Pastor to do?

http://www.biblebelievers.or g.au/masindx.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-07-30   15:55:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: christine (#0)

Christine,

Thanks for the ping to this..

I need to print some for study, and surf for the rest.

I perhaps have something to offer on this topic as well. But rather than shoot from the lip, I must do my homework.

Thank you again.

:) ~jj

jessejane  posted on  2006-07-30   17:03:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: christine (#0)

Excellent article.. the author nails them doesnt he?

Zipporah  posted on  2006-07-30   17:07:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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