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Title: Israeli attack on UN post: "accidentally on purpose"? Shades of the USS Liberty affair.
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URL Source: http://ww4report.com/node/2234
Published: Jul 26, 2006
Author: Ian Williams
Post Date: 2006-07-26 23:18:13 by Brian S
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Deadline Pundit July 26: Accidentally on Purpose With the Israeli bombing of a UN camp and the killing of four UN peacekeepers, we really do seem to be in a "deja vu" all over again phase. Already UN Secretary General Kofi Annan is under attack for condemning the "apparently deliberate targeting by Israeli Defense Forces of a UN Observer post." It is reminiscent of the trouble his predecessor Boutros Boutros-Ghali got himself into last time the Israelis tried shock and awe on Lebanon back in 1996, when he failed to suppress a report that said pretty much the same thing about the IDF shelling of the UN post in Qana, which macerated some 106 Lebanese civilians to death. It is worth remembering that of all UN Secretary Generals, Annan has done most to end Israel's isolation in the organization and maintained the closest relations with Israel's friends in the US. In the end, however, he is also an S-G who sets great store by protecting UN staff, and so the palpable anger of his statement is entirely understandable. "This coordinated artillery and aerial attack on a long established and clearly marked UN post at Khiyam occurred despite personal assurances given to me by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that UN positions would be spared Israeli fire. Furthermore, General Alain Pellegrino, the UN Force Commander in south Lebanon, had been in repeated contact with Israeli officers throughout the day on Tuesday, stressing the need to protect that particular UN position from attack." So to accept it was yet another accident presupposes a level of incompetence or insubordination in the Israeli army that should see result in some serious court-martials, but never does. That feeling was doubtless exacerbated when the IDF shelled the site and prevented a rescue operation. So what could be the motive? It is clear that there are many in the IDF with a profound contempt for the UN and all it stands for, and who would not shed many tears at such an accident. It may also rankle that UNIFIL [UN Interim Force in Lebanon] has, with the dearth of Western reporters in much of South Lebanon, provided independent corroboration of many incidents of IDF attacks on civilians. One only has to think of the fate of the USS Liberty in 1967 for being in a position to observe what the IDF was up to when the Israeli's bombed and shelled an American ship for over an hour, killing 34 American sailors and wounding 170 more. And most sinisterly of all, there are many Israelis-including the government only a few days ago, who do not want an international force between them and their targets in Lebanon, who would have no great scruples about bombing a UN compound "accidentally on purpose." This time, the "collateral damage" is not just four dead UN personnel. The bombing scotches any realistic chance of a reinforced UN or multinational peacekeeping force-which it is worth remembering that Israel itself opposed until a few days ago, and which the war party in Israel sees as a potential obstacle to their attempts to emulate Ariel Sharon's disastrous invasion in 1982. (See the Israeli peace group Gush Shalom's ad in Ha-Aretz at the end of the article). Already, while many countries have endorsed the general idea of putting foreign troops on the Lebanese side of the border, there has been a complete lack of specific volunteers-for the understandable reasons that the attack on Khiyam now so forcibly demonstrates. Third world militaries like the Fijians and Ghanaians make lots of money out of providing peacekeepers for UNIFIL and seem to think weekly humiliation by the Israelis and Hezbollah is worth it. There are few serious military powers would contemplate sending their troops for IDF target practice, let alone Hezbollah attacks. And who knows? If any were so bold as to put in contingents, they may well stand up to Israeli incursions as well. Some Israel supporters are already arguing that the bombing could not have been deliberate because it was a public relations disaster for Israel. Excuse me, but only an American or Israeli commentator could say that. Manifestly, for the rest of the world, the whole Israeli campaign is a PR disaster, with massive majorities even in Blair's Britain regarding the Israeli attack as a massively disproportionate reaction, let alone how Israel's assault is turning Hezbollah into the toast of the Third World. There is some added piquancy that both the Lebanese and Iraqi prime ministers (until this week at least champions of the democratic "New Middle East") are condemning Israel's assault. Condoleezza Rice's statement that it is "too early" for a ceasefire, when only five hundred were dead and countless more dismembered, should go down with Madeleine Albright's since regretted statement that the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children as a result of sanctions was "a price worth paying." Since Annan is already going at the end of year, which puts him beyond reach of Bolton's veto, we can but hope that he will not be browbeaten by Rice, Bolton or Bush, but will use the sacrifice of the UN observers to shame the Security Council into demanding an immediate ceasefire. And who knows, while he is still angry, he may wish to remind them that Israel was defying Resolution 242 for many decades before 1559, and that it has to be a crucial foundation for any peace settlement for the region.
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#1. To: Brian S, Christine, Diana, Zipporah, robin, Zoroaster, BTP Holdings, Arator, Bayonne, A K A Stone, Bub, mugwort, bluegrass, Bill D Berger, FormerLurker, Uncle Bill, Dakmar, Flintlock, Neil McIver, tom007, aristeides, Burkeman1, Diana, (#0)
Israel is betting that they can peddle a passionately told lie as the truth - AGAIN! It's that simple. They've done this before to the UN observers - 200 dead during the previous invasion of Lebanon.
fake-chosen have no reason to care about public relation
Hey SKYDRIFTER, I just joined the "banned from LP" club. The site has turned into a hatefest, with a bunch of rapture nuts dancing with glee over the death of innocent victims. Goldi banned me this morning for joking how the Secret Service might want to talk to some nut that wanted UN Secretary General Kofi "eliminated". Maybe she got pissed when I stuck up for honway when the neocrazies were attacking him for daring post news articles critical of Israel's story. She's definitely not the person I thought she was. She can take her hate site and shove it as far up her ass as it will go.
Some here tried to tell you that. I hope you will be here more often now, it's not a bad forum. I post here and on a few others.
God is always good! welcome to the place for voices of reason. ;)
"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." —Israeli Prime Minister Menechem Begin
it's a lovely forum with the best of the best posters, imnsho. ;)
"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." —Israeli Prime Minister Menechem Begin
These loons empower the Loon-in-Chief, and therefore blow the big one.
I always try to see the best in people. I guess I was holding her in higher esteem than she deserved.
I prefer to be thrown out of forums, however, the sick hatred displayed by Goldi and her Israeli Firsters turned to blood thirsty pirhana frenzy feeding and it was something no decent human could stand, so I left. Glad to see you here.
It will be amusing to see how the piranhas react if Israel now agrees to a prisoner swap and a negotiated deal.
Thanks christine. You know, I've noticed that as of late, many of the more rational posters no longer post on LP anymore because of the gang bot attacks against them. The place has become another FreeRepubic.com. I wonder if Goldi is hanging with RimJob these days. I've also noticed that most of the better posters have already migrated to 4um over the past several years. I only have time for one forum, so I'd much rather post here amongst friends than endure constant abuse by maniacs that wish to annihilate mankind just so that they can get "raptured".
Thanks Cynicom, good to see you here too.
They certainly do.
well, you know i've always loved ya so i'm happy you consider yourself "amongst friends." :)
"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." —Israeli Prime Minister Menechem Begin
I usually get piranha wrong... There are two or three there that have got to be deranged, Goldi I figure is nothing more than light in the loafers and does as she is told.
Welcome, FL. Goldi, and her stocked pond, has run its course.
Welcome to the forum FL. It is truely amazing that the dizzy bitch bans you for someone else suggusting the 'elimination' of another person and you calling them on it. She is picking up the pace of the purge. I imagine Honway or Burkeman will be next. Again, welcome and good to see you here!!!
I suspect the backers of the site felt they had to pull out all the stops as an Israeli defeat became more and more imminent.
You're right. They can't sell this shit as easily as they once did, so their strategy is to present a unified front. LP is nothing more than tFR, and both are shit houses owned by swine.
Not only did she ban me for calling someone on their threat to "eliminate" UN Secretary General Kofi, she slandered me by suggesting that I'm the one that reported Fred to the Secret Service, where in fact, it was probably her that did it. Here's her post to me suggesting that I'm the "snot" that called the SS on Fred.; Hmmm. Secret Service might be interested in talking with you. Don't be surprised when then come visit... Are you the snot who called them on one of our other members? If you were, you don't belong here. And I will have no qualms in removing you. Anyone can see that "elimated" in that context simply means "removed." You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. Goldi-Lox posted on 2006-07-27 10:04:32 ET Reply Trace
#2. To: Brian S (#0)
Some Israel supporters are already arguing that the bombing could not have been deliberate because it was a public relations disaster for Israel
#3. To: SKYDRIFTER, Fred Mertz, honway (#1)
#4. To: FormerLurker (#3)
She's definitely not the person I thought she was.
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02] More and more of our imports come from overseas. - George W. Bush
#5. To: FormerLurker (#3)
#6. To: RickyJ (#4)
it's not a bad forum
#7. To: FormerLurker (#3)
rapture nuts
#8. To: RickyJ (#4)
Some here tried to tell you that. I hope you will be here more often now, it's not a bad forum. I post here and on a few others.
#9. To: FormerLurker (#3)
She's definitely not the person I thought she was.
#10. To: Cynicom (#9)
#11. To: christine (#5)
welcome to the place for voices of reason. ;)
#12. To: Cynicom (#9)
Glad to see you here.
#13. To: Jethro Tull (#7)
These loons empower the Loon-in-Chief, and therefore blow the big one.
#14. To: FormerLurker (#11)
#15. To: aristeides (#10)
piranhas react
#16. To: FormerLurker (#13)
#17. To: FormerLurker (#3)
Hey SKYDRIFTER, I just joined the "banned from LP" club. The site has turned into a hatefest, with a bunch of rapture nuts dancing with glee over the death of innocent victims. Goldi banned me this morning for joking how the Secret Service might want to talk to some nut that wanted UN Secretary General Kofi "eliminated".
#18. To: Jethro Tull (#16)
#19. To: aristeides (#18)
#20. To: Brian S, Fred Mertz (#17)
It is truely amazing that the dizzy bitch bans you for someone else suggusting the 'elimination' of another person and you calling them on it.
79. To: FormerLurker (#16)Kofi should be eliminated.
And here's where she bans me...
82. To: FormerLurker (#17)
Kofi should be eliminated.Hey Fred, do you know of anyone that might be interested in that type of statement?
Okay that's it!
You are consistently RUDE to everyone.
However, I will not have ANY member of this website ridicutled, threatened, or threatened to be reported to the Secret Service or FBI for an innocent remark.
You are SO out of here.
BANNED !!
Goldi-Lox posted on 2006-07-27 10:12:33 ET Reply Trace
Fred, do you know who it was that called the SS on you? Mail me if you want to discuss it. I don't take kindly to some hateful bitch slandering me then banning me so that I can't respond to her slander.
#21. To: Brian S (#17)
She appeared very close to banning honway yesterday. She's just waiting for the right time, and the right conditions, so that she doesn't look like the complete and total hypocrite that she really is.
She is picking up the pace of the purge. I imagine Honway or Burkeman will be next.
#22. To: FormerLurker (#20)
it's obvious that she totally misperceived your posts and you, FL.
"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." —Israeli Prime Minister Menechem Begin
#23. To: FormerLurker (#20)
This is the politically motivated moderating that caused so many to leave LP. After Neil McIver handed over to Goldi full moderating powers she lost all objectivity. About a year ago she banned OKC and aristeides each for a week for very minor infractions of her unevenly applied rules. But all the paid Bushbots may threaten, harass, call names, destroy discourse on threads, etc. w/o any fear of being banned.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers
#24. To: christine (#22)
But when aristeides and others have been threatened by being put on lists or by having the FBI notified, and without any sarcasm, she just ignored those posts. It was not misperception on her part, it was deliberate. She has her marching orders. I wonder how much she's paid for her small part in the betrayal of America. Probably not near as much as Jim Robinson.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers
#25. To: christine (#22)
She knows damn well it was a Bush worshipper that called the SS on Fred, as several of them threatened to turn him on her site when he said a few things he probably shouldn't have said concerning the traitor-in-chief. I'm sure she fished through those posts to see who it might have been. And just as obvious is the fact that she'd be the one suppying the SS Fred's personal info. She's just used an excuse to both slander me and ban me in one shot. I'm so glad I never revealed any real personal information to her, as I'm sure I'd have goon squads at my door anyday.
it's obvious that she totally misperceived your posts and you, FL.
#26. To: robin (#23)
But all the paid Bushbots may threaten, harass, call names, destroy discourse on threads, etc. w/o any fear of being banned. It is rather sickening isn't it. I was getting really fed up with the crap over there anyways. I'm glad she banned me, as it was nothing but a huge waste of my time anyways.
#27. To: FormerLurker (#26)
That's what many of us came to realize. There were no meaningful discussions anymore. It was all being disrupted, intentionally, by those who don't want the truth discovered and revealed.
I was getting really fed up with the crap over there anyways. I'm glad she banned me, as it was nothing but a huge waste of my time anyways.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers
#28. To: robin, Former Lurker, Neil McIver (#24)
i was giving her the benefit of the doubt--why would i do that? ;)
It was not misperception on her part, it was deliberate. She has her marching orders.
"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." —Israeli Prime Minister Menechem Begin
#29. To: FormerLurker, Fred Mertz (#26)
wasn't it one of the clowns who inhabited LP too who reported Fred?
"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." —Israeli Prime Minister Menechem Begin
#30. To: robin, Original_Intent (#27)
It looks like Original_Intent is begging Goldi to be next in line... :) The entire US Government needs T-shirts printed with "I am Israel's bitch!
#31. To: christine (#29)
You mean from the Posse? I don't know who the culprit was, but the clowns certainly were high fiving each other over it for weeks on end, right on LP.
wasn't it one of the clowns who inhabited LP too who reported Fred?
#32. To: FormerLurker (#30)
do you have any idea who Slavic_Avenger is?
"Our race is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves." —Israeli Prime Minister Menechem Begin
#33. To: christine (#32)
No, why? He appears to be a good guy from I saw of his posts.
do you have any idea who Slavic_Avenger is?
#34. To: FormerLurker (#3)
Maybe she got pissed when I stuck up for honway when the neocrazies were attacking him for daring post news articles critical of Israel's story. She's definitely not the person I thought she was. She can take her hate site and shove it as far up her ass as it will go. Welcome to the Penal Colony! {:-)) You're in good company. Goldi is a wannabe Jewess, oblivious to the derision that goes on behind her back, as another fat "chiksa," desperate for acceptance and approval. Now, she's trying to prove her worth as an Israeli cheerleader. Nothing like a chicksa, whoring for Israel - really cheap labor. She might have been well-intended at one time; then her "mission" got changed. In any case, congratulations, you're in a better place. There are those of us whose character is best attested to by the nature of our enemies. Hey SKYDRIFTER, I just joined the "banned from LP" club. The site has turned into a hatefest, with a bunch of rapture nuts dancing with glee over the death of innocent victims. Goldi banned me this morning for joking how the Secret Service might want to talk to some nut that wanted UN Secretary General Kofi "eliminated".
#35. To: SKYDRIFTER (#34)
Thanks for the welcome back. You have Goldi pegged perfectly as she has become no better than Jim Robinson. She allows gang attacks on those she disagrees with, but bans those who fight back. With the recent influx of FR rejects, who are in fact full-fledged neocon whackjobs that only differ from the rest of the drooling idiots on FR in their view of open borders, the place is quickly becoming what FR became after 9/11. Most of the people that I care to speak with there post on this site anyways, so I'm not broken hearted about it at all. It's a relief actually, as I was getting really fed up with the maniacs that have been given free reign there.
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