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Title: Senators Skeptical of Bush Administration's Tribunal Plans
Source: Associated Press
URL Source: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... /08/02/national/w082113D55.DTL
Published: Aug 2, 2006
Author: Associated Press
Post Date: 2006-08-02 12:16:21 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 78
Comments: 13

(08-02) 09:01 PDT WASHINGTON, (AP) --

The Bush administration's initial proposal to prosecute suspected terrorists drew continued skepticism Wednesday from lawmakers, with a key GOP senator contending that Congress must be given more authority to determine tribunal procedures.

Steven Bradbury, the top legal adviser at the Justice Department, told the Senate Judiciary Committee that the administration's legal proposal was still under review but did not say when it would be finished.

Judiciary Chairman Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he would oppose any legislation that would authorize the defense secretary to determine what crimes may be tried by military tribunals — reportedly a provision in an early draft of the administration's proposed bill.

Bradbury confirmed the administration was considering granting the defense secretary such authority but added: "I would not say that the secretary of defense would be creating new crimes from whole cloth, but rather ... recognizing offenses that exist under the laws of war and providing for their prosecution in the military process."

The Supreme Court ruled in June that the Pentagon's military tribunal system, established after the Sept. 2001 terrorist attacks, was not authorized by Congress and violates international treaty obligations on detainee treatment.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England were appearing later before the Senate Armed Services Committee. Chairman John Warner said he expected the administration to outline general recommendations that would help the panel come up with a final legislative proposal by September.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said Wednesday he expects a detainee bill to reach the floor in September.

At the Judiciary panel hearing, Specter said handing over control to the administration would invite another challenge by the Supreme Court. "Is there any reason we ought to follow that course that would be risky at best?" Specter said.

"That's certainly an avenue that's open to Congress and one you might judge as appropriate," Bradbury replied.

Military lawyers testifying before the panel agreed with Specter that Congress should make clear who should be tried by military commission. They also said coerced statements should not be admissible in court.

Gen. Richard B. Myers, retired chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned the committee that the legislation under consideration would have a significant impact on the war on terrorism.

"I don't think there's a more serious subject being discussed today than this subject," Myers said.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, a member of the Judiciary and Armed Services committees, said administration officials in discussions with him have abandoned their previous position that Congress should simply authorize the existing military tribunal system. The latest proposal under discussion would incorporate aspects of the military's court-martial process, which would afford detainees more rights, Graham said.

Bradbury testified last month that he supports legislation that would back the military's existing tribunal system.

Military lawyers testified Wednesday that a new system should incorporate the Uniform Code of Military Justice because it is well known and internationally respected. Brig. Gen. Kevin Sandkuhler, director of the Marine Corps' Judge Advocate Division, added that he would retain some aspects of the tribunal system.

Graham, R-S.C., Warner, R-Va., and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. — who say they support incorporating elements of the court-martial system — have been meeting with administration officials repeatedly in recent days behind closed doors to try to broker a deal.

Democrats have backed the efforts by Graham, McCain and Warner to negotiate the legislation and have supported a system based on the court-martial law.

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

It will prob'ly pass, because we have an antiChrist government. Americans were declared enemies of the state in 1933. Christians have ALWAYS been the enemy. They hated us before they hated you, Brian. They have been fiendishly working for 2,000 years for this.

Under the Noahide Laws2. star chamber (stär chAm¹ber). A court or group that engages in secret, harsh, ... It has been pointed out that the second Noahide Law which prohibits ... http://www.watch.pair.com/law.html

Military lawyers testifying before the panel agreed with Specter that Congress should make clear who should be tried by military commission. They also said coerced statements should not be admissible in court.

Well, yeah, but I don't imagine they have a purported 100,000 guillotines sitting ready and waiting FOR NOTHING, and Zionist "Christian" pastors who have been instructed by Homeland SSecurity to send the flock to the concentration camps as per their misunderstanding of Romans 13, "for their own good". No separation of church and state, it seems, when it comes to coercing the church in favor of the Synagogue of Satan.

Don't apologize, Mel.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-08-04   13:03:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Brian S, BTP Holdings, robin, christine, wakeup, All (#1)

....and to bolster that argument, thanks to a tip from wakeup on another thread, I just ran across this, which brings it all into focus:

".....Provisions in Patriot Act II will allow secret arrests, warrantless searches, broad asset forfeiture [*** search Title 50 confiscation] and, believe it or not, the stripping of citizenship from Americans. Once so disenfranchised, we can be deported for “further processing.”......

[btw, see Bush TRANSPLANT hospitals: http://www.stewwebb.com/bush_crime_family_companies.htm . When "culling the herd", no sense in letting all those organs going to waste is there? After all ....."WHEN A JEW NEEDS A LIVER....." and "THE MELTDOWN OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND PERSONAL FREEDOM". ]

......Can you say torture and murder?

To be arrested under Patriot Act II, one merely has to be accused by bureaucrats of providing support to groups designated as terrorist organizations, even if one is unaware of that group's activities.

Tomorrow’s legal system will look like today’s child custody courts.

While we debate the merits of military tribunals, far worse takes place as family after family is ripped apart by courts...

sitting without juries...

closed to the public...

with sealed records...

no right to cross-examine or, even, confront accusers...

no right to present evidence other than that offered by the State...

where you are guilty until proven innocent and there is no way to prove your innocence....."

INJUSTICE FOR ALL http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/columns/injustice.htm [great read!]

coming soon to ALL Americans, particularly Christians?

here we [Christians] go AGAIN?

Mar 13:9 — But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

councils [Sunedria] Sanhedrins, the grand national council, and smaller courts of judicature in each city: see on Mat 5:22. For the fulfilment of these predictions, see Note on Mt Mat 24:2

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Mar/13/9.html

Interesting, there is a note at the end of The Illuminati and the COUNCIL on Foreign Relations, [the CFR is the Illuminati in the US], that says the SANHEDRIN is the predecessor of the Illuminati.

Furthermore, a new Sanhedrin has been launched in "Israel":

Sanhedrin Launched in Tiberias

12:42 Oct 14, '04 / 29 Tishrei 5765

"A unique ceremony - probably only the second of its kind in the past 1,600 years - is taking place in Tiberias today: The launching of a Sanhedrin, the highest Jewish-legal tribunal in the Land of Israel....."

http://philologos. org/bpr/files/misc_studies/ms102.htm

http://www.blueletter bible.org/tsk_b/Isa/65/15.html

http://www.blueletterbi ble.org/tsk_b/Rev/3/9.html

Psalm 2:12.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-08-05   12:58:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#2)

".....Provisions in Patriot Act II will allow secret arrests, warrantless searches, broad asset forfeiture [*** search Title 50 confiscation] and, believe it or not, the stripping of citizenship from Americans. Once so disenfranchised, we can be deported for “further processing.”......

Makes a good case for becoming an ex-pat now.

Abramoff's operation in South Africa was named Sanhedrin.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-08-05   13:06:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: robin (#3)

Abramoff's operation in South Africa was named Sanhedrin.

Thank you for reminding me of that once again. What a web they have spun.

Makes a good case for becoming an ex-pat now.

I think there are some problems with that one, although I am not clear on why.

I think it boils down to, if you are a Christian American, they want you D-E-A- D. Micah 4, Psalm 2, and your "cords cast away" from them. Some of them have proclaimed "America is our Zion!". Not! II Samuel 7:10; Ezekiel 34:11-13; John 10; Matthew 15:13. It's literally, the battle for the kingdom of heaven, which is not "out there", but here. [THY KINGDOM COME, they will be done ON EARTH as it is in heaven. See also Matthew 13:31-34. Jesus said to beware the leaven of the Pharisees. We didn't do a very good job of that.]. They lose in the end, which I believe is fast approaching. I pray for it every day and night, before they kill everyone in the Middle East.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-08-05   13:28:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#4)

Before this war is over, evangelical Christians will be thoroughly despised here and abroad.

Just as the NeoCommies have completely destroyed the GOP, they have also destroyed the credibility of the Christian Right. They are both a laughing stock, but worse, more like the plague.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-08-05   13:33:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: robin (#3)

INJUSTICE FOR ALL http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/columns/injustice.htm [great read!]

That is really a MUST READ! I just wish that he had been a little more sensitive on the black issue. Yes, a lot of crime has been committed by them, but that was all part of the plot, the Hegelian Dialect they have employed from our founding. THEY [the Jews] were the great slave-traders and owners. THEY instigated the Civil War, and funded both sides, in order to enslave us all with the fraudulent 14th Amendment. THEY are the ones who were behind the KKK. THEY are the ones who were behind the Great Society programs, which destroyed the black families. THEY are now hoping to use them as part of their fifth column against whites in America. I don't know if that is because they misunderstood God's plan, and when God said Gentiles would become part of His chosen, they thought he meant WHITE. I don't know, but I do know some of God's most loving sons and daughters are of the black church. I wish he had re- worded some of that, because otherwise, I think it is a great letter to hand out in great quantities as a sort of Paul Revere movement.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-08-05   13:39:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: robin (#5)

That's a very good point. They already destroyed the name. I always thought of evangelical as a GOOD thing, almost sounding "angelic". And it WAS a good thing, when evangelicals were preaching THE GOSPEL, the Good News of Christ and His coming kingdom. Now the very name evangelical has a very EVIL connotation, thanks to their WOLVES who entered into our churches and seminaries spewing their JEWISH FABLES, and LIES, and TALMUDIC JEW AGENDA OF MAYHEM AND JEWISH SUPREMACY! I know I am not supposed to hate them, but it is very difficult, looking at what they have done to us, what they are doing in the Middle East, and putting their people to straight-faced lie about what they are doing. And those bombs that are killing those people are paid for by US! I'm sorry, but it is very difficult not to despise them, devil-seed that they are. [not all of them, just the ones who lie, cheat, steal, and MURDER!]

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-08-05   13:47:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#6)

I just wish that he had been a little more sensitive on the black issue.

I agree with your sentiments.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-08-05   13:49:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#7)

Remind yourself it is really just the ZioNazis. They have their Mitlaufers too. The average Joseph doesn't think the way they do, but he's not really protesting all that much. I posted an article a day or so ago by a professor from TelAviv, very good; he condemns the war.

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-08-05   13:52:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: robin (#9)

The average Joseph doesn't think the way they do, but he's not really protesting all that much. I posted an article a day or so ago by a professor from TelAviv, very good; he condemns the war.

I'd like to read your article. I wish there were more of them.

One of THE nicest people I have ever met is a Jewish girl who used to live across the street. When I really start to hate them, I remind myself of what the Bible says about that, and I remind myself about HER.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-08-05   14:00:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#10)

This 1st article aristeides, posted, it sort of led me to the following:

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=31618&Disp=1#C1

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=31619

"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country."

- Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers

robin  posted on  2006-08-05   14:03:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#2)

whew..informative post there.

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison

christine  posted on  2006-08-05   14:59:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#6)

I just wish that he had been a little more sensitive on the black issue. Yes, a lot of crime has been committed by them, but that was all part of the plot, the Hegelian Dialect they have employed from our founding.

I hate to be brash, but there is an old saying we had in Chicago. "You can take the nigger out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of the nigger."

Not all of them are like this, but a great many are, especially now with the gang situations and the dispersion of the ghetto areas to the formerly all white (and stable) suburbs. It's a carbon copy of what happened to many neighborhoods in the formerly industrial northern cites.

I could go on a continued diatribe over this, but it only takes a good look at what has happened in our domestic history to affirm where the problem lies.

It is as a guy I once knew who was a teacher in the Chicago Public Schools and worked on the West Side. When one of the kids was complaining about Whitey this, and Whitey that, he interrupted and said, "Do white people come to your neighborhood at night and throw garbage all around in the alleys? Do white people burn down the buildings in your neighborhood?"

The kid didn't have an answer, of course. But this points to a grave social dilemma among that group which cannot be explained away. BTW, I'm aware of the problem of "slumlords" and know that some fires were arson to collect insurance, but that was not common.

What was more apt to be seen was that the older buildings were still owned by absentee landlords and they put very little money back in on repairs. Just another small problem associated with the capitalist system. The roots of this problem do not lie with the landlords so much as with the economic policies which this country has pursued for the last century, and that includes agriculture policy and free trade.

"Madmen in authority, who hear voices in the air, are distilling their frenzy from some academic scribbler of a few years back." Lord Keynes

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-08-05   18:47:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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