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Title: Southern Poverty Law linked to OKC Bombing.
Source: Federal Observer
URL Source: http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=7134
Published: Apr 11, 2005
Author: Fred Van Sickle
Post Date: 2005-04-11 10:22:42 by Zipporah
Keywords: Southern, Bombing., Poverty
Views: 89
Comments: 24

FOREWARD: Let's see - it ain't in the South (is it?). It's got nothing to do with Poverty, 'cause it sure ain't po'. It might have little to do with the Law - other than it's own. Let's hear it for Morris Sleaze.

A four page Federal Bureau of Investigations report, straight from the desk of then FBI director Louis Freeh, dated January 4, 1996, brings to light an undercover operation conducted by the Southern Poverty Law Center involving convicted OKC bomber Timothy McVeigh.

The McCurtain Daily Gazette, an Idabel, Oklahoma newspaper, recently obtained a copy of the aforementioned FBI cable and ran a story on Dec. 14, 2003, that disclosed earth shattering information concerning the OKC bombing. The most startling revelation involved the purported civil rights group, headed by Morris Dees, conducting an "intelligence gathering operation" at Elohim City, a "white supremacist compound" long suspected of being heavily infiltrated by federal agents.

At a press conference before a speaking engagement at Southeastern Oklahoma University on Nov.11, 2003, Morris Dees admitted that SPLC had an agent operating inside Elohim City on April 17, 1995, just two days before the OKC bombing which according to the FBI report is the day Timothy McVeigh placed a call to certain persons at Elohim City. Dees further stated that " Timothy McVeigh probably was at Elohim City, based on evidence we've been able to pick up - stuff I can't really go into." He also said, "We work very closely with the CIA, FBI, ATF."

This new information when coupled with the fact that the federal governments alphabet soup organizations seem to be intertwined with subversive movements such as the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai Brith and the Jewish Defense League to the extent that U.S law enforcement agencies have in the past farmed out intelligence operations to these said anti-freedom groups we can begin to understand the ineffectiveness of the investigations surrounding one of the most horrific terrorist attacks to take place on American soil.

Some other groundbreaking admissions enclosed in former FBI director Louis Freeh's cable include the following "Prior OKBOMB investigation determined that (named withheld) had placed a telephone call to (name withheld) on April 5, 1995, a day he was believed to have been attempting to recruit a second conspirator to assist in the OKBOMB attack."

The gov't. spin has always been that McVeigh and Nichols had been plotting and scheming together dating back to the fall of 1994, but according to the FBI report at least up to April 5, 1995, just two weeks before the OKC bombing a second conspirator did not exist. Obviously this leads to the question ,who was the second conspirator on April 19,1995, ? An agent provacateur perhaps? Well the answer to this question might also be found in the directors report when he refers to a person at Elohim City as having a long relationship with one of the two indicted conspirators.

Even after these stunning admissions, nearly 9 years after the fact justice has not been served, but it is refreshing to know that the trail leading to the true conspirators is not as cold as was once believed

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#1. To: OKCSubmariner (#0)

ping!

robin  posted on  2005-04-11   10:28:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: robin (#1)

I found this while looking for the article that mentioned the SPLC.. interesting isn't it?

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-11   10:31:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Zipporah (#2)

I found this while looking for the article that mentioned the SPLC.. interesting isn't it?

VERY. Right up there with the 5 dancing Israelis on 9/11.

robin  posted on  2005-04-11   10:48:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Zipporah (#0)

it ain't in the South (is it?).

It's in downtown Montgomery, Alabama, not a block or two from the Supreme Court building where the Ten Commandments were displayed.

I've seen this bullet proof fortress, where jackbooted goons come running out to tell you to move along if you stare at the building in more than a passing glance.

CWRWinger  posted on  2005-04-11   11:21:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Zipporah (#0)

An agent provacateur perhaps?

Would I believe this of Morris Dees? You bet I would. Would I believe this of the FBI under the Clinton administration? You bet I would.

So would others.

So why, why, will they not also believe that the FBI under the Bush administration, and/or the CIA under Bush (whose family has long, deep ties with said agency), and/or the right-wing complements to Morris Dees' group, might also do this sort of agent provocateur thing? Specifically, on 9/11/01?

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-04-11   11:26:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Zipporah (#0)

Actually, this is old news. But it doesn't hurt to post it again.

Here's a clip from "The Southern Mercury", 2003:

CREATING HATE WHERE NONE EXISTS Over the years Morris Dees and the SPLC have searched diligently for "hate groups" to expose and then use in fundraising schemes. Many of the targeted groups are not "hate groups" at all; some exist only on paper, or only consist of a hand full of members. That hasn't stopped the SPLC. Soon after the infamous Oklahoma City bombing by Timothy McVeigh, the SPLC mailed out a solicitation linking McVeigh to "militia groups." In the best traditions of "yellow journalism" the SPLC screamed that the "militia movement" counted perhaps 40,000 members, mostly armed, and a majority linked to the Klan.(30) But subsequently Federal investigators found no connection between McVeigh and any militia group. Indeed, researcher Laird Wilcox estimated that members in such groups numbered only around 7,000, and most of them were not focussed on race or violence, but on constitutional issues.(31) An FBI spokesman added that his agency did not regard the militia movement as a danger.(32)

CWRWinger  posted on  2005-04-11   11:28:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Zipporah (#0)

Thanks for posting this article. Dees and his phony "Law Center" need to be exposed. The SPLC is nothing but a cash cow for the child molester.

CWRWinger  posted on  2005-04-11   11:31:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: CWRWinger (#6)

In the best traditions of "yellow journalism" the SPLC screamed that the "militia movement" counted perhaps 40,000 members, mostly armed, and a majority linked to the Klan.(30) But subsequently Federal investigators found no connection between McVeigh and any militia group. Indeed, researcher Laird Wilcox estimated that members in such groups numbered only around 7,000, and most of them were not focussed on race or violence, but on constitutional issues.(31) An FBI spokesman added that his agency did not regard the militia movement as a danger.(32)

At the time, I wasn't aware of the SPLC's job in this smear campaign, but I believed the Clinton admin was after the militia groups. That they were mostly constitutional oriented groups, speaks volumes about real intent by the admin.

robin  posted on  2005-04-11   12:01:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: CWRWinger (#7)

SPLC is but a sub-group of this conglomerate: ADL; AIPAC; NAACP; ACLU; Hollywood; PNAC; JINSA

wbales  posted on  2005-04-11   14:06:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: robin (#8)

But subsequently Federal investigators found no connection between McVeigh and any militia group.

Sounds similar to Randy Weaver's story..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-11   14:15:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t (#5)

So why, why, will they not also believe that the FBI under the Bush administration, and/or the CIA under Bush (whose family has long, deep ties with said agency), and/or the right-wing complements to Morris Dees' group, might also do this sort of agent provocateur thing? Specifically, on 9/11/01?

They're dimwits?

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-11   14:16:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: CWRWinger, christine, Neil McIver (#6)

Indeed, researcher Laird Wilcox estimated that members in such groups numbered only around 7,000, and most of them were not focussed on race or violence, but on constitutional issues.(31) An FBI spokesman added that his agency did not regard the militia movement as a danger.(32)

Interesting ?? So what does that say? There are groups that want to eliminate the Constitution and those who are constitutionalists..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-11   14:18:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Zipporah (#12)

Stalin purged the "troublemakers" too; the educated, the leaders (even within his own party), the patriots, and even the artists & writers. Threw them in gulags to die.

20 million. I'm still waiting for the movie about that holocaust. Maybe I'll get to see the sequel first hand. Didn't the neocons start as Trotskyites?

robin  posted on  2005-04-11   14:27:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: robin (#13)

Didn't the neocons start as Trotskyites?

Did they stop?

DeaconBenjamin  posted on  2005-04-11   14:34:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: DeaconBenjamin (#14)

Didn't the neocons start as Trotskyites?

Did they stop?

Good point, apparently not.

robin  posted on  2005-04-11   14:42:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: robin (#13)

Stalin purged the "troublemakers" too; the educated, the leaders (even within his own party), the patriots, and even the artists & writers. Threw them in gulags to die.

20 million. I'm still waiting for the movie about that holocaust. Maybe I'll get to see the sequel first hand. Didn't the neocons start as Trotskyites?

Interesting that so little is said about Stalin..isn't it?

For all their ralling against communism, its yet more smoke and mirrors.. consider Horrorwitz.. he claims to have seen the light .. which for a time I bought into...lies and more lies.. the father of neoconservatism, Kristol, says he was (past tense) a Trotskyite... what is the saying? A leopard can't change it's spots?

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-11   14:49:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Zipporah (#16)

More like parasites, willing to change hosts whenever the opportunity arises.

robin  posted on  2005-04-11   14:51:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: wbales (#9)

SPLC is but a sub-group of this conglomerate: ADL; AIPAC; NAACP; ACLU; Hollywood; PNAC; JINSA

You forgot one. NAMBLA.

CWRWinger  posted on  2005-04-11   15:12:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: CWRWinger, wbales (#18)

Dont forget the NAACP - for some reason they couldn't see fit to have a black leader until the mid fifties. Up until then the leadership was 100% Jewish, and is still mostly so, although they make certain to have a black figurehead nowadays.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-04-11   15:18:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Dakmar (#19)

100% Jewish,

Make that: 100% communist Jewish

CWRWinger  posted on  2005-04-11   15:20:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Zipporah (#11)

They're dimwits?

Well, yeah, that (lol), but also, they can't handle it if they can't see a discernible "good guy" whom they can follow blindly.

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-04-12   3:02:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Zipporah (#16)

. the father of neoconservatism, Kristol, says he was (past tense) a Trotskyite...

Oh, yeah. And take a look at the background of Irving Kristol's wife, little Willie's mother.

Little William Kristol is the one who is visible now, of course. Even back when I watched Fox without sneering, whenever he came on there (which was and is often), I got a kind of nauseated feeling. My instincts were trying to warn me, lol. He is disgusting.

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-04-12   3:05:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t (#22)

Oh, yeah. And take a look at the background of Irving Kristol's wife, little Willie's mother.

Little William Kristol is the one who is visible now, of course. Even back when I watched Fox without sneering, whenever he came on there (which was and is often), I got a kind of nauseated feeling. My instincts were trying to warn me, lol. He is disgusting.

His mother? I'll have to do a search..

Isn't Bill Kristol enough to make you gag..? Not only politically.. but he's so .. well.. not exactly manly..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-12   7:49:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Zipporah (#12)

An FBI spokesman added that his agency did not regard the militia movement as a danger.(32)

Possibly because some of these groups are guided and directed away from the things the FBI would consider "dangerous", by FBI/BATF infiltrators.

Some of the members of these groups are very sensitive about the presence of infiltrators and gov't agents. Their sensitivity is justified, IMO.

CWRWinger  posted on  2005-04-12   8:29:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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