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Title: What Hit the Pentagon?
Source: 911review
URL Source: http://www.911review.com/attack/pentagon/hypothesis.html
Published: Sep 9, 2006
Author: 911 Review
Post Date: 2006-09-09 07:05:37 by Kamala
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What Hit the Pentagon?

Where the Pentagon was struck on 9/11/01 is indisputable and is strong circumstantial evidence that the attack was an inside job.

However, what hit it has remained controversial in some circles, given the refusal of authorities to produce definitive evidence to support the official story that American Airlines Flight 77 was the attack plane. With security camera video from nearby businesses having been seized minutes after the attack, and only five selected video frames released by the military, we are left with seemingly contradictory physical and eyewitness evidence.

Many eyewitnesses accounts describe a 757-like jetliner approach and collide with the Pentagon.

Photographs of the impact damage seem difficult to reconcile with the collision of a 757, since they show neither the imprint of such a plane on the facade nor large recognizable pieces of aircraft. These apparent contradictions stem partly from misconceptions about the physics of plane crashes. The contradictions vanish when one considers possible manipulations of a 757 crash, such as the destruction of portions of the plane just before impact. However, theories that nothing like a 757 crashed into the Pentagon have been so effectively popularized that mainstream media attacks on 9/11 skeptics frequently identify them as disputing only one aspect of the official story: that Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon.

The Missile and/or Global Hawk Theories Based on interpretations of the physical evidence -- in many cases based on fallacies -- several researchers have proposed theories that the damage to the Pentagon was caused by a missile, and/or a small lightweight remote-controlled plane, such as a Global Hawk. Variants of this theory became popular among skeptics of the official Flight 77 crash story in early 2002, despite their disregard for the eyewitness evidence that the plane seen approaching the Pentagon was a large twin-engine jetliner.

Much of the support for the missile and/or Global Hawk theories is drawn from the five frames of Pentagon video, despite their suspect source and signs of forgery.

The Two-Plane Theory

A second theory, also advanced in 2002, was researcher Dick Eastman's small plane theory (or two-plane theory). It holds that a Boeing 757 did indeed swoop down toward the west block of the Pentagon, but disappeared into a blinding pyrotechnic display, making it appear that it had crashed into the building, while in fact it had cleared the facade, overflown the Pentagon, and then banked sharply to land at Reagan National Airport, whose runways are only about two miles away from the Pentagon. As the jetliner was disappearing into the fireball, a small attack jet, such as an F-16, approached from a different trajectory and crashed into the wall, producing, in combination with a missile, the damage to the facade and interior.

This theory has the advantage over other no-757-crash theories that it is consistent with the many credible eyewitness reports of a jetliner. However, it neither explains the eyewitness statements that the plane collided with the building, nor the lack of a single eyewitness statement supporting the idea that a 757 overflew the Pentagon and then landed at the nearby National airport. Also, the theory raises questions about the fate of the passengers of Flight 77.

The 757 overflight theory is perhaps the weakest part of the two-plane theory. The Pentagon is surrounded by highways, and by densely populated areas such as Pentagon City to the south. Wouldn't a 757 overflying the Pentagon in a direction perpendicular to normal air traffic have been witnessed and reported by numerous individuals?

The Engineered Crash Theory

According to the above theories, no 757 crashed at the Pentagon on 9/11/01, despite the abundance of eyewitness reports of a large jetliner crashing. Some of these theories suggest that events were engineered to fool people into believing that Flight 77 had crashed. Some include elaborate stage-magic tricks, such as a drone painted like an American Airlines plane, and the use of motors and cables to pull down lamp poles.

Many no-757-crash theorists want us to believe that the attack was engineered to trick eyewitnesses into thinking a much smaller attack plane was a jetliner. But we can equally imagine that the attack was engineered to make the site of a 757 crash look to many observers like that of something else.

Eric Bart

French researcher Eric Bart proposed that the airliner was shredded by shape charges both before and after it entered the building. His theory accounts for the eyewitness near-consensus in favor of a 757-type jetliner crashing, for details in eyewitness statements not consistent with a simple crash, and for the pattern of damage to the Pentagon not explained by other theories.

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title: Shaped charges

authors: Eric Bart

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The shaped charges were ignited before the nose touched the wall. That's why some witnesses reported signs of an early impact, before the plane touched the wall :

"It seemed like it made impact just before the wedge" Joe Harrington

"I heard a sonic boom and then the impact" Joel Sucherman Other witnesses understood that the plane hit the ground before the wall :

"It didn't appear to crash into the building, most of the energy was dissipated in hitting the ground, I saw the nose break up, I saw the wings fly forward " Donald "Tim" Timmerman

"The fuselage hit the ground and blew up" Mary Ann Owens

"The nose of the plane curled upwards and crumpled before exploding into a massive fireball" Vin Narayan

But there was no mark of the plane on the ground. Other witnesses reported an impact on the building :

"The large aircraft struck the outermost corridor (E-ring) of the five-ring building at ground level (the second floor)"

Aviationnow

"The aircraft went in between the second and third floors." Lincoln Leibner Why did some witnesses thought [sic] that the plane hit the ground before the wall ? I see two reasons. First, the explosion of the charges created white flashes around the fuselage that seemed an early contact with the ground. Second, shaped charges in a plane have a recoil effect like powder in guns.

Their explosions should have push [sic] back the fuselage and slow it down, giving the impression that it hit something. It could also make the wings detached [sic] and fly forward because, unlike the fuselage, they were not slowed down, "I saw the wings fly forward".

The Penny Elgas statement : "At the point where the fuselage hit the wall, it seemed to simply melt into the building. I saw a smoke ring surround the fuselage as it made contact with the wall. It appeared as a smoke ring that encircled the fuselage at the point of contact and it seemed to be several feet thick. I later realized that it was probably the rubble of churning bits of the plane and concrete. The churning smoke ring started at the top of the fuselage and simultaneously wrapped down both the right and left sides of the fuselage to the underside, where the coiling rings crossed over each other and then coiled back up to the top. Then it started over again -- only this next time, I also saw fire, glowing fire in the smoke ring."

The analysis of this report is complex. However I'll try here.

First I believe Penny Elgas. Under adrenaline things go definetly slower. The report she gave is so unexpected that I don't think she made it up. It's just a pure factual report.

The interpretation she gave is false. : "the rubble of churning bits of the plane and concrete". The smoke moves are too perfect.

My speculation : The "churning smoke" is the white flash of inside charges. Penny Elgas saw the white flashes of these charges exploding in two overlapped and opposite helices.

There was not a single large shaped charge in the plane. I did not see any large shaped charge on the web. The best anti-bunker weapon (BLU-113) is only 1.2 foot large (diameter). Instead, there were many shaped charges (one feet diameter) inside the plane. Roughly, a one foot diameter will make a one foot hole. These charges were arranged in circle inside the fuselage and along the fuselage. Thus it was possible to make a large hit on the wall with small shaped charges. These charges were not fired all at the same time (probably to be more silent or for having a "hammering" effect on concrete). So what is the best sequence for igniting all theses charges ?

Maybe things are simpler then I first thought. All the plane (fuselage and wings) is laid on a rigid structure. This means that the bottom of the fuselage is strong and the top is fragile. So, when a charge explode near the bottom of the fuselage, it destroys the stiffness of it.

I think that the charges where put in two overlapped and opposite helices (clockwise and counter clockwise). The explosion started at the top front of the fuselage, continued downward and backward on each side, joined at the bottom and continued upward and backward, and so on ..., as Penny saw.

When explosions occure at the bottom, the plane fuselage stiffness is damaged. Thus, next charges to explode are less strongly tied to the fuselage. The further they are from the bottom, the more difficult it is to tie them strongly to the fuselage. Thus, next charges have to be attached close to the bottom. That's why I think it continued upward (and backward) on each side of the fuselage, because next charges can't be mechanically attached far form the bottom.

"Then it started over again -- only this next time, I also saw fire, glowing fire in the smoke ring." The glowing fire is the fireball itself that comes after the white flash.

site: eric.bart.free.fr/iwpb/ page: eric.bart.free.fr/iwpb/inv2.html

Bart theorizes only about the use of shaped charges in the destruction of the plane. However, it is possible to imagine other types of weapons may have produced a similar result. If these weapons were ground-based rather than installed in the plane, it would be easier to imagine that the event involved Flight 77, since the perpetrators would not have required physical access to the plane to prepare the attack.

The Remote-Controlled 757 Theory The simplest theory that answers questions about the piloting skill required by the approach maneuver and the location of the strike is the remote-controlled 757 theory, in which an American Airlines 757, perhaps Flight 77, is flown by remote control into the Pentagon. The engineered crash theory is a subset of the remote-controlled 757 theory.

Its added element of explosives or other weapons destroying portions of the aircraft prior to impact helps to reconcile the crash of a 757 with the crash impact damage shown in photographs, but this element is consistently targeted by critics defending no-757-crash theories. Researcher Mark Robinowitz, webmaster of oilempire.us, has suggested that speculation about crash engineering, like that about exactly what hit the Pentagon, has served as a distraction from the provable fact of where the building was hit and its implications. On The Pentagon attack: How the 'no plane' theories are used to discredit 9/11 skepticism and distract from proven evidence of complicity he provides evidence that the the no-757-crash theories may be rooted in a false-flag psy-op to discredit skepticism of the official story.

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#4. To: Kamala (#0)

Every night I thank God I am not a deluded conspiracy nutcase.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-09-09   12:15:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: YertleTurtle (#4)

"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities also has the power to make you commit atrocities." — Voltaire (1694-1778)

Voltaire was once jailed for smiling at the wrong time at some political speech.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-09   12:18:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#5)

Voltaire was once jailed for smiling at the wrong time at some political speech.

They made political speeches in monarchist France?

aristeides  posted on  2006-09-09   12:30:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: aristeides (#7)

They made political speeches in monarchist France?

I seem to recall it was in Spain and he was present at some gathering listening to profound statements by some person in power.

I also recall there was someone with him, someone of note. Prolly read that nearly 60 hears ago. The fact he was jailed for smiling always stuck with me.

Sounds like something we may soon endure here.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-09   12:36:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom, all (#8) (Edited)

Cyni, you raise lots of solid questions, questions I personally have no answer for. The unanswered questions keep me digging. On the flip side, we who question the government version score valid points when we follow the money. The put options on American Airlines strongly suggest prior knowledge of the event. And how Larry Silverstien is in a position to collect more than $7 billion in insurance money, after having invested $125 million of other people's money, money that was returned to the principles by the port authority after the collapse is astounding. Silverstein, incidentally, purchased the lease to the WTC in July '01, just six weeks before 911. Talk about deals. Then there is that pesky issue of the collapse of 7 World Trade. What is that about? And wasn’t Silverstein recorded saying that the building should be “pulled”? I don’t trust the people in front of this mess, or the ones who benefited from it.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-09-09   13:21:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull (#9)

I personally have no answer for.

Jethro...

Was 911 orchestrated by our government or whomever??? I dont know, have not a clue.

Did AA77 crash into the Pentagon??? Yes, it certainly did, with 64 souls aboard.

From your years, you know of a "chain of custody", well, those souls never left custody of AA and FAA, therfore they arrived and died at the Penatagon.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-09   13:25:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#10)

Did AA77 crash into the Pentagon??? Yes, it certainly did, with 64 souls aboard.

Geez, you say that with certainty as though it is a fact. May I direct you to a thread with a differing perspective:

THE PENTAGON ATTACK PAPERS: Seven Hours in September: The Clock that Broke the Lie

http://freedom4um.com/cgi- bin/readart.cgi? bm=1&ArtNum=33832&Disp=20&Trace=&SC=0&EC=40&Range=20

angle  posted on  2006-09-09   14:31:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: angle (#13)

Geez, you say that with certainty as though it is a fact

Angle...

Sixty four souls arrived there in the aircraft.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-09   14:47:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#14)

Sixty four souls arrived there in the aircraft.

Back it up with a link.

angle  posted on  2006-09-09   14:55:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: angle (#16)

Back it up with a link.

Link?

Already you seem not willing to accept the word of 100 eyewitnesses, of what value would be a link to anything????

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-09   15:18:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Cynicom (#17)

Link? Already you seem not willing to accept the word of 100 eyewitnesses, of what value would be a link to anything????

25 Ways to Supress Truth

#8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources

angle  posted on  2006-09-09   16:56:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: angle (#18)

#8. Invoke authority.

From recall, I do not believe any of the 25 witnesses that identified the aircraft as AA worked for or had any connection to any government agency.

Thus we have 25 people with no agenda that we discount as, liars, story tellers,or paid lackeys of someone.

The next 45 witnesses saw the jet but not the identity of the airline. We are nearing 100 people that are at once suspect.

In five years, not one of the many witnesses has come forward and said I was paid or forced to lie, not one. Nor have any family members of the victims had bodies exhumed to perform their own tests, not one. Very difficult to really accept that these numerous people are all in on "something".

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-09   17:11:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Cynicom, Yertle Turtle (#19)

With security camera video from nearby businesses having been seized minutes after the attack, and only five selected video frames released by the military

Why?

christine  posted on  2006-09-09   17:55:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: christine (#24)

With security camera video from nearby businesses having been seized minutes after the attack, and only five selected video frames released by the military

That is something I have no knowledge about and in no way changes the fact that the passengers were found at the crash.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-09   19:59:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Cynicom (#37)

no way changes the fact that the passengers were found at the crash.

Cyn, Bodies were found. Their ID was determined elsewhere. Window of opportunity.

jessejane  posted on  2006-09-09   20:14:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: jessejane (#38)

Cyn, Bodies were found. Their ID was determined elsewhere. Window of opportunity.

No.

I believe something like 180 parts of human remains were found. ALL of the passengers were identified by DNA and OTHER means. There were remains found that could not be identified, five in fact, the number of hi-jackers.

There were dozens of pathologists, dentists etc etc that took three weeks to complete their work.

Any attempt to make them complicit in or unaware of any "coverup" would be ludicrous to the extreme. These people were highly trained professionals and to believe every one of them was involved is just too much.

They completed their work in about three weeks, overview of that work is available on the net by some of the participants for those that care to read.

Doctor Andrew Baker gives a very good presentation.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-09   20:25:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Cynicom, JJ, cristine, ALL (#39) (Edited)

At 10:09 a.m. there was a secondary explosion, which rocked the entire parking lot area. Fire officials speculated it was caused by additional explosives in the aircraft.

PLANE CRASHES INTO PENTAGON IN TERROR ATTACK

United Press International; 9/12/2001

United Press International

09-12-2001

Plane crashes into Pentagon in terror attack

WASHINGTON, Sep 11, 2001 (United Press International via COMTEX) -- The nation's top military officer declared Tuesday that the military is ready to take action against the terrorists that planned and carried out a series of attacks on the United States, including one on the Pentagon that collapsed part of its west wall, killed dozens and left the building in flames.

"I have no interest in discussing what comes next. But make no mistake about it: your armed forces are ready," said Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Henry Shelton at a Pentagon news conference Tuesday.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, flanked by Shelton, two senators and the secretary of the Army, declared the Pentagon open for business Wednesday.

"The Pentagon is functioning. It will be in business tomorrow," Rumsfeld said at a hastily called news conference at the Defense Department headquarters, its hallway still filled with acrid smoke.

"There is no question but that the attack on the United States of America was a vicious well coordinated massive attack against the United States," he said.

A U.S. senior defense official said that Rumsfeld spoke with Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov but could offer nothing as far as intelligence help.

Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin, D-Mich., declared the Congress unified behind President Bush.

"Our institution is strong and our unity is palpable," Levin said.

Levin said the United States would "track down, root out and relentlessly pursue terrorists and the states who support them."

Virginia Republican Sen. John Warner called the attacks in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania "the most tragic hour in American history."

"We call upon the entire world to step up and help because terrorism is a common enemy to all," Warner said, asking other nations to "step forward and let us hold accountable and punish" the perpetrators.

Rumsfeld said he and the senators had just spoken to the president and that he had a "firm grip on the situation."

He would not specify the number of dead and injured at the Pentagon, and neither would he say whether the Pentagon had any intelligence that warned of the attack.

The Defense Department sent several buses to an ad hoc press center at a gas station near the Pentagon to retrieve dozens of reporters gathered there for the news conference, held at a podium in front of a plaque of the building -- a clear demonstration that while the building was hobbled, it was not cowed by the attack.

Rumsfeld was in his office at the time of the attack and felt the shock wave rumble through the building. He went out to see the damage and saw people being hauled out of the wreckage.

"I saw (them) bring bodies out that had been injured, most of which were alive and moving, but injured," he said.

A hijacked civilian airliner crashed into the building's west side, between the first and second floors. The impact collapsed five floors of a roughly fifty- foot section, three hallways deep into the building.

The Pentagon is comprised of five concentric "rings", criss-crossed by hallways and numbered corridors. The impact occurred near the fourth corridor, and went through the outer "E" ring into the "C" ring, stopping short of the two inner rings, sending up a massive fireball. Pieces of the plane were scattered on a web of commuter roads that ring the Pentagon.

Rumsfeld confirmed that U.S. Air Force aircraft have been flying "protective missions over parts of the United States today and they will continue to do that."

Earlier in the day, an American Airlines aircraft struck the west side of the Pentagon about 9:39 a.m., according to Arlington County, Va., fire officials and eyewitnesses at the scene, part of an apparent series of terrorist attacks against the United States.

The plane's nose drove into the wall of the building about the second story near the Pentagon's Heliport. Part of the building collapsed and plumes of smoke were visible for miles around.

"The plane is buried down in the building," said Gov. James Gilmore, R-Va., who toured the devastation. He said the plane flew directly into (the Pentagon) between the first and second floor."

Gilmore added: "There're obviously very major (casualties). Not just in New York but here as well."

A Pentagon spokesman said all employees should call the following numbers to sign into a "muster list," which will help determine the number of casualties and who is missing.

Members of the Army can call 1-800-984-8523, or 703-428-0002. Navy and Marine Corps personnel should call 1-877-663-6772, and members of the Air Force can call 1-800-253-9276.

The crash came less than an hour after two hijacked planes crashed into the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York, and shortly before the center collapsed entirely.

At 10:09 a.m. there was a secondary explosion, which rocked the entire parking lot area. Fire officials speculated it was caused by additional explosives in the aircraft.

Defense Protective Service chief John Jester told United Press International "Our first goal is to knock down the fire," adding that -- six hours after the crash -- small flames continued to lick at the roof of the building. "Then the search-and-rescue team can go in and see what we find inside."

No official count of casualties was available, but it seems certain that all of the 58 passengers and six crew members on American Airlines flight 77 out of Dulles bound for LAX were dead.

Military officials on the scene said they had heard there were at least six fatalities in the building and medical personnel at the scene told UPI that there were up to 36 injured being treated at area hospitals. Two women with glass cuts on their legs were being treated at the scene.

The Virginia Hospital Center Arlington said it had received 31 injured people by late afternoon Tuesday. Of those, six were treated and released and 15 were admitted for further treatment. The other 10 patients were being evaluated.

At the time of the attack, the Defense Department was fully staffed -- thousands of military and civilian personnel work there.

The explosion sent plumes of gray, black smoke 200 feet into the air and the entire west side of the Pentagon facing Arlington Cemetery was blackened by the blast. Cars on the nearby Route 27 toward Washington were thrown off the road by the force of the detonation.

A section of the building 50 feet wide and five stories high collapsed, allowing a view of the Pentagon's inner courtyard.

Tim Timmerman, a pilot who saw the impact from his apartment on the 16th floor of a building near the Pentagon, told CNN that a jet bearing American Airlines markings with its engines gunning came North, above route 395, before accelerating and crashing into the helipad immediately adjacent to the West side of the building. Shortly afterwards, he said, the whole area was engulfed in flames.

Tori Clarke, Pentagon spokeswoman, said Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was in the building at the time of the crash and remains there directing the Pentagon's efforts, in consultation with President Bush and the national security staff.

Clarke said Rumsfeld was in his office, and felt the concussion of the collision. He went outside the building where he "helped get some people on to stretchers and into ambulances," she said.

The site of the crash and explosion was on the opposite side of the building from the offices of the Secretary of Defense and the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Pentagon spokesman Rear Adm. Craig Quigley said all of the service chiefs and secretaries and the chairman and vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff are accounted for.

He said the U.S. military worldwide was at threat condition Delta -- the highest level of alert, called when there is an imminent threat or a terrorist attack.

Thousands of military and civilian employees were evacuated from the Pentagon on foot. The evacuation was orderly and many of the employees gathered around the scene.

At 10:23 a.m., police and fire officials evacuated an area about 3,000 yards further away from the building on all sides after a warning that a second aircraft might be on its way.

Pentagon officials said a casualty center was being established on nearby Fort Myer Army Base in Arlington, Va., and a press center was also expected to be set up there Tuesday evening.

By NICHOLAS M. HORROCK and PAMELA HESS

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-09-09   20:43:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: Jethro Tull, Kamala (#40)

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, flanked by Shelton, two senators and the secretary of the Army, declared the Pentagon open for business Wednesday.

"The Pentagon is functioning. It will be in business tomorrow," Rumsfeld said at a hastily called news conference at the Defense Department headquarters, its hallway still filled with acrid smoke.

Finally, some truth from the administration:

"....Is is just a coincidence that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld announced that the Pentagon lost $2.3 trillion of the taxpayer's dollars the day before the attacks and that the section of the Pentagon that got hit housed a lot of accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts and was also the end of the fiscal year and important budget information was in the damaged area?

 "On Sept. 10, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld declared war. Not on foreign terrorists, "the adversary's closer to home. It's the Pentagon bureaucracy," he said.

He said money wasted by the military poses a serious threat.

"In fact, it could be said it's a matter of life and death," he said. Rumsfeld promised change but the next day – Sept. 11-- the world changed and in the rush to fund the war on terrorism, the war on waste seems to have been forgotten. Just last week President Bush announced, "my 2003 budget calls for more than $48 billion in new defense spending."

More money for the Pentagon, CBS News Correspondent Vince Gonzales reports, while its own auditors admit the military cannot account for 25 percent of what it spends.

"According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions," Rumsfeld admitted.

$2.3 trillion — that's $8,000 for every man, woman and child in America." -CBS (01/29/02)

 Rumsfeld: "According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions." - DoD (09/10/01)

 "One Army office in the Pentagon lost 34 of its 65 employees in the attack. Most of those killed in the office, called Resource Services Washington, were civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts. They were at their desks when American Airlines Flight 77 struck." - South Coast Today/Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (12/20/01)

 An Engineer's Expertise Joins a Firefighter's Nightmare

"The plane had gone in right where she was located as part of the budget analyst office. The guys began working themselves to death to clear this huge area to try and find her under the debris."

He said his mother-in-law had died in the crash. "We were only partially successful [in finding the body]. It's one of things I'm still dealing with," he admitted." -Connection Newspapers (09/05/02)

 "The impact area included both the Navy operations center and the office complex of the National Guard and Army Reserve. It was also the end of the fiscal year and important budget information was in the damaged area." - Arlington County After-Action Report

 Web Exclusive: Washington’s Heroes

"Lt. Col. Marilyn Wills has staff meetings every other Tuesday morning. A deputy chief of staff in the Army’s personnel division, Wills, 40, had a particularly full agenda for the Sept. 11 meeting. The House and Senate Armed Services Committees were working on the 2002 budget, and her department was responsible for gathering facts and figures to pass on to congressional number crunchers. She got to her desk in office 477 on the second floor of the Pentagon’s E-Ring at about 7:30 a.m., went through her voice-mail messages and e-mails, and spent an hour prepping for the meeting with a colleague. As she was nearing the end of her presentation about the budget bills and the upcoming Association of the U.S. Army Conference, the room shook, and there was a thunderous boom." -MSNBC (09/28/03).........."

Compare the list of those killed in the pentagon, numbers crunchers, and those involved in the "War Games" being conducted [at the link http://killtown.91 1review.org/flight77/fatalities.html - thanks, Eoghan?], with those killed on the plane:

".....The following list of passengers was gathered from many sources posted on the Internet:

Dong Lee, Ruben Ornedo, and Chad Keller all worked for Boeing. Lee also worked for the NSA. Stanley Hall, "the dean of electronic warfare," (along with Peter Gay, David Kolvacin, and Kenneth Waldie on other flights), worked for Raytheon.

William Caswell was a particle physicist who worked for the Navy. His job was so classified that his family had no clue as to what he did and did not know why he was flying to California.

Charles Droz, LCDR USN Ret, was a software developer for EM solutions (manufacturer of Wide Area Networks).

Robert Penniger worked for BAE Systems, ("an industry leader in flight control systems"), whose Board is comprised of many from the intelligence community. BAE has apparently removed their Board of Directors page, but it list a "who's who" of high level connections to the CIA, DARPA, and NSA. (See the appendix for a list of outside directors of BAE Systems that were not on Flight 77.)

Robert Ploger and his wife were added "late" to the original CNN passenger list. He is the son of Major General Robert R Ploger USA, Ret, another "flag" link. The other "late" addition was Sandra Teague, a physical therapist at Georgetown University Hospital.

John Sammartino and Leonard Taylor worked at Xontech (missile defense), another company connected to the intelligence community, also with ties to Boeing.

Vicki Yancey worked for Vreedenberg Corp, yet another company connected to the intelligence community. Her father describes her death as a "planned murder." Her widower works for Northrup-Grumman.

Mary Jane Booth was in a position to know what was going on at Dulles Airport as secretary for American Airlines general manager.

John Yamnicky, 71, Capt USN Ret, was a defense contractor for Veridian who had done a number of "black ops," according to his son.

The physicians, lawyers, biotech representatives, and "human interest" victims who were aboard, could also provide important clues, but in the interest of space, we will save them for future consideration.

Many readers recall a particular Fox Television TV show called "The Lone Gunmen" which was aired on March 2, 2001 [Download Episode]. In the show, the bad guys control a passenger airplane by remote control with intentions of flying it into the World Trade Center. The villains were a Pentagon insider faction; the motive to inflame the public and thereby legitimate new military budgets and operations. Life indeed imitates art.

It has been reported that some people were warned not to fly that day. One was reported to be Mayor Willie Brown of San Francisco. Another was author Salman Rushdie. The person on that flight MOST likely to be warned was Robert Speisman. He was an executive at Lazare Kaplan, a diamond merchant, and son in law of Maurice Templesman. Templesman was Jackie Kennedy's long time lover and is highly connected according to Time Magazine. Time also reported about about his "special access" to the National Security Council. He has also "stepped out" with Madeleine Albright.

I attempted on three occasions to obtain a final passenger list from American Airlines. They refuse to give a list and in fact won't even verify that they gave the first list to CNN. Since the list is in the public domain, I find it curious that they would not take ownership nor provide a current, "correct" list.

Would it even be necessary to "lure" all expendables onto the designated death flights? Why not just grab those you want to get rid of and then slip them into the pile later? Have you seen an interview with the check-in personnel for the flights who can tell us who actually got on any of these flights? Not a chance. In fairness, Washington, D.C. and it's suburbs draw a great number of contractors for the military and intelligence communities in their normal course of business. It may be mere coincidence that these passengers were all on the same flight; however; the government refuses to release information which would relieve our concerns.

Appendix

List of outside diectors of BAE Systems that were not on Flight 77:

Richard J. Kerr former Deputy Director of Central Intelligence

Mr. Kerr served in the U.S. Intelligence community for 32 years - from September 1960 until March 1992. He started as a country analyst in the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and ended his career as the senior professional intelligence officer in the U.S. government serving as Deputy Director of Central Intelligence.

Dr. William Schneider, Jr. former Under Secretary State for Security, Science and Technology

Prior to serving on the board, Dr. Schneider was formerly Under Secretary of State for Security Assistance, Science and Technology (1982-1986). He served as Associate Director for National Security and International Affairs at the Office of Management and Budget (198l-2) prior to being nominated as Under Secretary by the President.

Dr. Robert S. Cooper former Director, DARPA

Dr. Cooper is currently President, CEO, Director and co-founder of Atlantic Aerospace Electronics Corporation. From 1981 to 1985, Dr. Cooper was Assistant Secretary of Defense for Research and Technology and simultaneously held the position of Director for the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). As Assistant Secretary, he was principal advisor to the Secretary of Defense on the allocation of Department resources to research, exploratory development and advanced development projects.

General Anthony C. Zinni (Ret) former Commander-in-Chief, CENTCOM

Gen. Zinni was formerly Commander-in-Chief, U.S. Central Command. While in the Marine Corps he held numerous command and staff assignments that include platoon, company, battalion, regimental, Marine expeditionary unit, and Marine expeditionary force command. His staff assignments included service on battalion, regimental, division, base, and service staffs in operations, training, special operations, counterterrorism, and manpower billets. Gen. Zinni most recently served as the United States Special Envoy to the Middle East.

General Kenneth A. Minihan (Ret) former Director National Security Agency; Central Security Service

Lt. Gen Minihan served more than thirty-three years of active commissioned service to the nation before retiring from the U.S. Air Force in 1999. On his final tour of duty, he served as the 14th Director of the National Security Agency/Central Security Service, a combat support agency of the Department of Defense with military and civilian personnel stationed worldwide. As Director, he was the senior uniformed intelligence officer in the Department of Defense. He also served as the Director of The Defense Intelligence Agency.

Robert L. Prestel former Deputy Director, National Security Agency

Mr. Prestel served as Deputy Director of the National Security Agency (NSA) from 1990 - . He was the senior civilian presiding over this Defense Agency whose principal missions are the production of foreign Signals Intelligence and the protection of official U.S. Government communications and information systems....."

Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77 [see also STILL NO ARABS ON FLIGHT 77 sierratimes]

http://www.physics911.net/olmsted.h tm

Interesting juxtaposition, I'd say.

as for the plane, I think I read it was parted out or sold for scrap, like the tower. If the plane landed at Jay Rocky's Yeager, it wouldn't be hard to do. Saw Rocky on TV yesterday, backtracking on the war. See David Rockefeller quote re right crisis needed:

"Quote: We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we [ the CFR ] need is the right major crisis and the nation[s] will accept the New World Order. End Quote. David Rockefeller: Founder and Honorary Chairman, Council of the Americas; Chairman, Americas Society; Founder, Forum of the Americas; Chairman, Emeritus, Council on Foreign Relations [CFR]; Founder and Honorary Chairman, Trilateral Commission [TC]; Chairman, The Bilderbergs. [ How does the 11 Sept 2001 attack upon our country figure into this? CLMsr ]"

THE BANKRUPTCY OF THE UNITED STATES

http://www.apfn.net/Doc- 100_bankruptcy.htm

follow the money.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-09-10   8:10:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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that is bombshell information.

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