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Title: What Hit the Pentagon?
Source: 911review
URL Source: http://www.911review.com/attack/pentagon/hypothesis.html
Published: Sep 9, 2006
Author: 911 Review
Post Date: 2006-09-09 07:05:37 by Kamala
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What Hit the Pentagon?

Where the Pentagon was struck on 9/11/01 is indisputable and is strong circumstantial evidence that the attack was an inside job.

However, what hit it has remained controversial in some circles, given the refusal of authorities to produce definitive evidence to support the official story that American Airlines Flight 77 was the attack plane. With security camera video from nearby businesses having been seized minutes after the attack, and only five selected video frames released by the military, we are left with seemingly contradictory physical and eyewitness evidence.

Many eyewitnesses accounts describe a 757-like jetliner approach and collide with the Pentagon.

Photographs of the impact damage seem difficult to reconcile with the collision of a 757, since they show neither the imprint of such a plane on the facade nor large recognizable pieces of aircraft. These apparent contradictions stem partly from misconceptions about the physics of plane crashes. The contradictions vanish when one considers possible manipulations of a 757 crash, such as the destruction of portions of the plane just before impact. However, theories that nothing like a 757 crashed into the Pentagon have been so effectively popularized that mainstream media attacks on 9/11 skeptics frequently identify them as disputing only one aspect of the official story: that Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon.

The Missile and/or Global Hawk Theories Based on interpretations of the physical evidence -- in many cases based on fallacies -- several researchers have proposed theories that the damage to the Pentagon was caused by a missile, and/or a small lightweight remote-controlled plane, such as a Global Hawk. Variants of this theory became popular among skeptics of the official Flight 77 crash story in early 2002, despite their disregard for the eyewitness evidence that the plane seen approaching the Pentagon was a large twin-engine jetliner.

Much of the support for the missile and/or Global Hawk theories is drawn from the five frames of Pentagon video, despite their suspect source and signs of forgery.

The Two-Plane Theory

A second theory, also advanced in 2002, was researcher Dick Eastman's small plane theory (or two-plane theory). It holds that a Boeing 757 did indeed swoop down toward the west block of the Pentagon, but disappeared into a blinding pyrotechnic display, making it appear that it had crashed into the building, while in fact it had cleared the facade, overflown the Pentagon, and then banked sharply to land at Reagan National Airport, whose runways are only about two miles away from the Pentagon. As the jetliner was disappearing into the fireball, a small attack jet, such as an F-16, approached from a different trajectory and crashed into the wall, producing, in combination with a missile, the damage to the facade and interior.

This theory has the advantage over other no-757-crash theories that it is consistent with the many credible eyewitness reports of a jetliner. However, it neither explains the eyewitness statements that the plane collided with the building, nor the lack of a single eyewitness statement supporting the idea that a 757 overflew the Pentagon and then landed at the nearby National airport. Also, the theory raises questions about the fate of the passengers of Flight 77.

The 757 overflight theory is perhaps the weakest part of the two-plane theory. The Pentagon is surrounded by highways, and by densely populated areas such as Pentagon City to the south. Wouldn't a 757 overflying the Pentagon in a direction perpendicular to normal air traffic have been witnessed and reported by numerous individuals?

The Engineered Crash Theory

According to the above theories, no 757 crashed at the Pentagon on 9/11/01, despite the abundance of eyewitness reports of a large jetliner crashing. Some of these theories suggest that events were engineered to fool people into believing that Flight 77 had crashed. Some include elaborate stage-magic tricks, such as a drone painted like an American Airlines plane, and the use of motors and cables to pull down lamp poles.

Many no-757-crash theorists want us to believe that the attack was engineered to trick eyewitnesses into thinking a much smaller attack plane was a jetliner. But we can equally imagine that the attack was engineered to make the site of a 757 crash look to many observers like that of something else.

Eric Bart

French researcher Eric Bart proposed that the airliner was shredded by shape charges both before and after it entered the building. His theory accounts for the eyewitness near-consensus in favor of a 757-type jetliner crashing, for details in eyewitness statements not consistent with a simple crash, and for the pattern of damage to the Pentagon not explained by other theories.

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title: Shaped charges

authors: Eric Bart

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The shaped charges were ignited before the nose touched the wall. That's why some witnesses reported signs of an early impact, before the plane touched the wall :

"It seemed like it made impact just before the wedge" Joe Harrington

"I heard a sonic boom and then the impact" Joel Sucherman Other witnesses understood that the plane hit the ground before the wall :

"It didn't appear to crash into the building, most of the energy was dissipated in hitting the ground, I saw the nose break up, I saw the wings fly forward " Donald "Tim" Timmerman

"The fuselage hit the ground and blew up" Mary Ann Owens

"The nose of the plane curled upwards and crumpled before exploding into a massive fireball" Vin Narayan

But there was no mark of the plane on the ground. Other witnesses reported an impact on the building :

"The large aircraft struck the outermost corridor (E-ring) of the five-ring building at ground level (the second floor)"

Aviationnow

"The aircraft went in between the second and third floors." Lincoln Leibner Why did some witnesses thought [sic] that the plane hit the ground before the wall ? I see two reasons. First, the explosion of the charges created white flashes around the fuselage that seemed an early contact with the ground. Second, shaped charges in a plane have a recoil effect like powder in guns.

Their explosions should have push [sic] back the fuselage and slow it down, giving the impression that it hit something. It could also make the wings detached [sic] and fly forward because, unlike the fuselage, they were not slowed down, "I saw the wings fly forward".

The Penny Elgas statement : "At the point where the fuselage hit the wall, it seemed to simply melt into the building. I saw a smoke ring surround the fuselage as it made contact with the wall. It appeared as a smoke ring that encircled the fuselage at the point of contact and it seemed to be several feet thick. I later realized that it was probably the rubble of churning bits of the plane and concrete. The churning smoke ring started at the top of the fuselage and simultaneously wrapped down both the right and left sides of the fuselage to the underside, where the coiling rings crossed over each other and then coiled back up to the top. Then it started over again -- only this next time, I also saw fire, glowing fire in the smoke ring."

The analysis of this report is complex. However I'll try here.

First I believe Penny Elgas. Under adrenaline things go definetly slower. The report she gave is so unexpected that I don't think she made it up. It's just a pure factual report.

The interpretation she gave is false. : "the rubble of churning bits of the plane and concrete". The smoke moves are too perfect.

My speculation : The "churning smoke" is the white flash of inside charges. Penny Elgas saw the white flashes of these charges exploding in two overlapped and opposite helices.

There was not a single large shaped charge in the plane. I did not see any large shaped charge on the web. The best anti-bunker weapon (BLU-113) is only 1.2 foot large (diameter). Instead, there were many shaped charges (one feet diameter) inside the plane. Roughly, a one foot diameter will make a one foot hole. These charges were arranged in circle inside the fuselage and along the fuselage. Thus it was possible to make a large hit on the wall with small shaped charges. These charges were not fired all at the same time (probably to be more silent or for having a "hammering" effect on concrete). So what is the best sequence for igniting all theses charges ?

Maybe things are simpler then I first thought. All the plane (fuselage and wings) is laid on a rigid structure. This means that the bottom of the fuselage is strong and the top is fragile. So, when a charge explode near the bottom of the fuselage, it destroys the stiffness of it.

I think that the charges where put in two overlapped and opposite helices (clockwise and counter clockwise). The explosion started at the top front of the fuselage, continued downward and backward on each side, joined at the bottom and continued upward and backward, and so on ..., as Penny saw.

When explosions occure at the bottom, the plane fuselage stiffness is damaged. Thus, next charges to explode are less strongly tied to the fuselage. The further they are from the bottom, the more difficult it is to tie them strongly to the fuselage. Thus, next charges have to be attached close to the bottom. That's why I think it continued upward (and backward) on each side of the fuselage, because next charges can't be mechanically attached far form the bottom.

"Then it started over again -- only this next time, I also saw fire, glowing fire in the smoke ring." The glowing fire is the fireball itself that comes after the white flash.

site: eric.bart.free.fr/iwpb/ page: eric.bart.free.fr/iwpb/inv2.html

Bart theorizes only about the use of shaped charges in the destruction of the plane. However, it is possible to imagine other types of weapons may have produced a similar result. If these weapons were ground-based rather than installed in the plane, it would be easier to imagine that the event involved Flight 77, since the perpetrators would not have required physical access to the plane to prepare the attack.

The Remote-Controlled 757 Theory The simplest theory that answers questions about the piloting skill required by the approach maneuver and the location of the strike is the remote-controlled 757 theory, in which an American Airlines 757, perhaps Flight 77, is flown by remote control into the Pentagon. The engineered crash theory is a subset of the remote-controlled 757 theory.

Its added element of explosives or other weapons destroying portions of the aircraft prior to impact helps to reconcile the crash of a 757 with the crash impact damage shown in photographs, but this element is consistently targeted by critics defending no-757-crash theories. Researcher Mark Robinowitz, webmaster of oilempire.us, has suggested that speculation about crash engineering, like that about exactly what hit the Pentagon, has served as a distraction from the provable fact of where the building was hit and its implications. On The Pentagon attack: How the 'no plane' theories are used to discredit 9/11 skepticism and distract from proven evidence of complicity he provides evidence that the the no-757-crash theories may be rooted in a false-flag psy-op to discredit skepticism of the official story.

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#57. To: RickyJ (#55)

Any explosion would have wiped out ALL the windows in the heliport tower cab, as well as at least "pocking" the lawn with holes and debris projecting upward.

With Bush being supposedly originally scheduled into the heliport about the time of the shit hitting the fan, why were there no personnel in the tower? They wouldn't work "on-call."

Etc.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-09-09   22:25:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Cynicom (#45)

no police or investigator ever saw them "planting" remains.

OK. But who took the remains to be identified? Were they the same remains gathered at the scene?

angle  posted on  2006-09-09   22:26:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: BTP Holdings (#56)

The disinformation tactics are glowing in the dark.

Cyner = BAC?


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-09-09   22:28:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: RickyJ (#55)

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?bm=1&ArtNum=33832&Disp=20&Trace=&SC=0&EC=40&Range=20

Check out this post made here last week. Blew my mind.

angle  posted on  2006-09-09   22:29:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: SKYDRIFTER (#57)

Any explosion would have wiped out ALL the windows in the heliport tower cab, as well as at least "pocking" the lawn with holes and debris projecting upward.

Not necessarily with shaped charges.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2006-09-09   22:30:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: angle (#58)

There's no suggestion that the firefighters seriously attempted to penetrate the building for survivors; nor to recover remains. Instead, the building was clearly allowed to continue burning, through the night, add the mysteriously torched construction trailer in the fenced yard.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-09-09   22:30:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Eoghan (#61)

I totally agree that the Pentagon damage was done with internal exolosive and thermal charges. I think the trailer immediately in front of the building was blown up with explosives - and a few gallons of fuel.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-09-09   22:32:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: SKYDRIFTER (#59)

Cyner = BAC?

I dunno about that. Some folks just want to believe "the" story.

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-09   22:37:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: SKYDRIFTER (#63)

Sky, who made the A-3? Was it Boeing or some other outfit?

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-09   22:43:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: BTP Holdings (#56)

People have short memories on this.

This gentleman was FEET away from the aircraft, saw it coming and ran .

"Probst, Frank

. . . [a] Pentagon renovation worker and retired Army officer, . . . stopped by the renovation workers' trailer just south of the Pentagon heliport. . . . Probst took a sidewalk alongside Route 27, which runs near the Pentagon's western face. . . . "He has lights off, wheels up, nose down," Probst recalled. The plane seemed to be accelerating directly toward him. He froze. "I knew I was dead," he said later. "The only thing I thought was, `Damn, my wife has to go to another funeral, and I'm not going to see my two boys again.'." He dove to his right. He recalls the engine passing on one side of him, about six feet away. The plane's right wing went through a generator trailer "like butter," Probst said. The starboard engine hit a low cement wall and blew apart. . . . He still can't remember the sound of the explosion. . . . "It was pretty horrible," he said of the noiseless images he carries inside him, of the jet vanishing in a cloud of smoke and dust, and bits of metal and concrete drifting down like confetti. On either side of him, three streetlights had been sheared in half by the airliner's wings at 12 to 15 feet above the ground. An engine had clipped the antenna off a Jeep Grand Cherokee stalled in traffic not far away. "Fortress Reborn," by Vince Crawley, http://Military.com, 9/11/02"

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-09   22:44:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: angle (#58)

OK. But who took the remains to be identified?

Who???

People that are trained to do such grisly work.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-09   22:47:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: BTP Holdings (#65)

That was built by Douglas Aircraft, with about four different engine types used on it.

It was far too big to have been THE aircraft at the Pentagon. If anything flew into the Pentagon; it was a missile. Anymore, I doubt if that is a viable possibility.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-09-09   22:48:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Cynicom (#66) (Edited)

Lovely little tidbit from http://Military.com ROTFLMAO!

It don't get any better than this for the spooks and propaganda artists. Just what we need to get all of the flag wavers and bots going bonkers.

Did you watch the Flash linked by Eoghan? If not, do it.

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-09   22:52:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Cynicom (#66)

Strange that he doesn't remember the scorching heat from that engine or the noise.

In the daylight, one couldn't distinguish the lights being on - if they were. At the purported 300-plus knots, the gear/flaps configuration of the aircraft would have been a blur.

The wing that went through the generator like butter forgot to topple the generator - or leave anything representing a forward-moving impact.

(Bullshit!)


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-09-09   22:53:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: BTP Holdings (#69)

It don't get any better than this for the spooks and propaganda artists

That is not an intelligent reply to what a person saw that was there. If face to face would you feel you were in a position to call him a kook???

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-09   22:54:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: SKYDRIFTER (#70)

(Bullshit!)

Once again did yiou testify as a witness or professional expert???

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-09   22:55:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Cynicom (#66) (Edited)

An engine had clipped the antenna off a Jeep Grand Cherokee stalled in traffic not far away. "Fortress Reborn," by Vince Crawley,

There's obvious problems with the account, no heavy traffic at the time and the force of air and the engine exhaust would have sent the vehicle airborne.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2006-09-09   22:58:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Cynicom (#66)

He recalls the engine passing on one side of him, about six feet away.

If you believe this story then I have bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2006-09-09   22:58:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: RickyJ (#74)

If you believe this story then I have bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

Then I am to believe that the dozens of people that were there are all liars??????

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-09   23:00:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Cynicom (#71)

That is not an intelligent reply to what a person saw that was there. If face to face would you feel you were in a position to call him a kook???

I'd tell him I wasn't there and who the hell is he? I don't know him from Adam. So just who would you be calling a kook?

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-09   23:02:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Cynicom (#71)

If face to face would you feel you were in a position to call him a kook???

In a heart beat. I would call him a heck of lot worse actually.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2006-09-09   23:02:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Cynicom (#2)

Sixty four people aboard AA77 WERE removed from the pentagon.

Where do you arrive at this figure? Clearly, no aircraft hit the Pentagon; where did they get the remains for the autopsy?

There is no suggestion of the rescue workers going in after survivors or remains. There is every evidence (judging by the firemans' garb) that there was no hydrocarbon fire associated with the Pentagon, versus a torched diesel fuel tank (on the wrong side of the generator) in the construction yard.

Well....?


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-09-09   23:02:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Cynicom (#75)

Then I am to believe that the dozens of people that were there are all liars??????

As I said before, how many are plants?

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-09   23:04:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: SKYDRIFTER (#78)

Where do you arrive at this figure?

There are numerous accounts available on the net.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-09   23:04:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Cynicom (#75)

Cyner,

There were viable witnesses - backed by corroborating evidence. Those don't suggest that an aircraft actually hit the Pentagon.

The supposed 'witnesses' who are lacking corroborating evidence are somewhere between wannabe witnesses and poorly trained liars.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-09-09   23:05:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Cynicom (#75) (Edited)

I said that if you believe that person’s story then I have bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. Do you have no understanding of what a jet engine at full throttle only 6 feet away would do to a human being? By your responses it appears you do not. Facts are always more realiable than people because they never lie.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2006-09-09   23:06:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: BTP Holdings (#79)

As I said before, how many are plants?

Plants??? Surely you do not believe that everyone connected with this event is a plant???

If you check the credentials of some of the witnesses you will find they are newpaper people with USA Today. They have hardly b een Bush supporters, yet their testimony is the same as the rest.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-09   23:07:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Cynicom (#80)

There are numerous accounts available on the net.

The passengers were supported by reservations, ticket purchases, tickets and names on a passenger manifest - not so the purported 'terrorists;' don't you find that off-scale for the situation?

On NONE of the 9-11 aircraft are found 'terrorist' reservations, ticket purchases, tickets and names on a passenger manifest.

Well....?


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-09-09   23:08:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Cynicom (#80)

Where do you arrive at this figure?

There are numerous accounts available on the net.

And I've seen the figures you cite. But the "official" flight manifest only lists 54 people. And there seems to be one who was bumped from another flight and put on 77 at the last moment. So that would make 55 on the passenger list. A heck of a difference.

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-09   23:08:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: RickyJ (#82)

. Do you have no understanding of what a jet engine at full throttle only 6 feet away would do to a human being? By your responses it appears you do not.

What I do or do not know is not germaine here. We are discussing how the bodies were recovered at Pentagon if the AA aircraft never arrived.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-09   23:10:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: RickyJ (#74)

... He recalls the engine passing on one side of him, about six feet away. and If you believe this story then I have bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

I wasn't going to get into the fray on this one, because I could not believe that anyone in their right mind, with sufficient gray matter and common sense, would want to waste their time on such nonsense.

Therefore, the amount of activity being devoted to such trivial absurdity begs the question, "Has the 47m been infiltrated by those from LP or FR who want to get something going just for the fun of it?"

On the other hand, those who tend to put weight into this theory have to believe what the "newspaper" people have reported they witnessed. Please, what don't you understand about the media in this country?

Wake up and don't waste time trying to turn bullshit into more bullshit.

Phant2000  posted on  2006-09-09   23:11:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Cynicom (#83)

Plants??? Surely you do not believe that everyone connected with this event is a plant???

If you check the credentials of some of the witnesses you will find they are newpaper people with USA Today. They have hardly b een Bush supporters, yet their testimony is the same as the rest.

No way to tell for sure, but the differing stories is astounding. Give me 50 people looking at the same thing and you will get several differing accounts, maybe more than several. And the old college test does not mean much since they all knew what they were there for. For that matter, so probably were many of the "witnesses" aware of why they were there at the Pentagon. ;0)

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-09   23:12:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: BTP Holdings (#85)

And I've seen the figures you cite.

The basic premise is this, how did the victims arrive at the Pentagon if not via AA 77, where is the aircraft that departed Dulles and where did the authorities obtain 64 or whatever number of replacement bodies???

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-09   23:13:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Cynicom (#83)

USA Today. They have hardly been Bush supporters

I think you're old enough to know better...this is Israel's war, Bush, with the help of Diebold, would be The One.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2006-09-09   23:13:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Cynicom (#86)

We are discussing how the bodies were recovered at Pentagon if the AA aircraft never arrived.

Cyner,

How do you arrive at the conclusion that any passengers were FACTUALLY removed from the Pentagon? There is no suggestion that any sign of bodies was found. The one fire chief admitted that there were only scattered (small) parts of an aircraft in the building. By his description, nothing that couldn't have been easily planted.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-09-09   23:15:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: BTP Holdings (#88)

No way to tell for sure, but the differing stories is astounding.

Agreed...

Twenty five testified they saw the aircraft airborne and saw the AA markings.

Forty five saw it airborne but could not identify carrier.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-09   23:15:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: SKYDRIFTER (#91)

How do you arrive at the conclusion that any passengers were FACTUALLY removed from the Pentagon?

And how does anyone arrive at the fact that they were NOT taken from the site?

If not the passengers, then where are the passengers and the aircraft????

Ted Olson is not a dummy, and he has raised no doubts.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-09   23:18:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Cynicom, RickyJ (#86) (Edited)

What I do or do not know is not germaine here.

But you posted the schtick from the military mag.

I agree with RickyJ. If that guy was 6 feet from a 757 engine at full throttle and at near full speed, he would be hamburger.

Most people have no idea of these things. That is why the propagandists and spin artists succeed to a great extent.

It works the same way with explosives. I knew a guy in UDT and he knew about explosives. Once there was a bomb scare at a suburban Chicago school and the cops said the so-called bomb would have levelled the building. He knew that was bogus by the way it was described as being 3 sticks of dynamite. It was only enough to blow out the walls in the area near where it was found.

But the average Joe Schmoe on the street would not know any better. Same as with the military mag story. It don't cut the mustard.

"Never has so much military and economic and diplomatic power been used so ineffectively, and if after all of this time, and all of this sacrifice, and all of this support, there is still no end in sight, then I say the time has come for the American people to turn to new leadership not tied to the mistakes and policies of the past." Richard M. Nixon

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-09-09   23:21:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: SKYDRIFTER (#91)

nothing that couldn't have been easily planted.

Planted material would not have residue of burnt jet fuel.

You told someone there was no indication of such fuel. That is totally false and if you have aviation experience you know it.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-09   23:22:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: BTP Holdings (#94)

engine at full throttle and at near full speed, he would be hamburger.

Not true...Men have been sucked into jet engines and lived. You can find such on the net if you have never had prior reading.

Cynicom  posted on  2006-09-09   23:24:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Cynicom (#93)

Ted Olson is not a dummy, and he has raised no doubts.

Olson is an ardent Zionist.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2006-09-09   23:24:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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