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Title: Homosexuality as Fascism
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Published: Sep 27, 2006
Author: Johann Hari
Post Date: 2006-09-27 07:16:13 by YertleTurtle
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10,000 gay people were slaughtered in the Nazi death-camps. Many more were humiliated, jailed, deported, ethnically cleansed, or castrated. One gay survivor of the camps, LD Classen von Neudegg, has written about his experiences. A snapshot: “Three men had tried to escape one night. They were captured, and when they returned they had the word ‘homo’ scrawled across their clothing. They were placed on a block and whipped. Then they were forced to beat a drum and cheer, ‘Hurrah! We’re back! Hurrah!’ Then they were hanged.” This is one of the milder events documented in his book. So the idea of a gay fascist seems ridiculous. Yet when the British National Party – our own home-grown Holocaust-denying bigots – announced it was fielding an openly gay candidate in the European elections this June, dedicated followers of fascism didn’t blink. The twisted truth is that gay men have been at the heart of every major fascist movement that ever was – including the gay-gassing, homo-cidal Third Reich. With the exception of Jean-Marie Le Pen, all the most high-profile fascists in Europe in the past thirty years have been gay. It’s time to admit something. Fascism isn’t something that happens out there, a nasty habit acquired by the straight boys. It is - in part, at least - a gay thing, and it’s time for non-fascist gay people to wake up and face the marching music. Just look at our own continent over the past decade. Dutch fascist Pim Fortuyn ran on blatantly racist anti-immigrant platform, describing Islam as “a cancer” and “the biggest threat to Western civilisation today.” Yet with two little fluffy dogs and a Mamma complex, he was openly, flamboyantly gay. When accused by a political opponent of hating Arabs, he replied, “How can I hate Arabs? I sucked one off last night.” Jorg Haider blasted Austria’s cosy post-Nazi politics to rubble in 2000 when his neo-fascist ‘Freedom Party’ won a quarter of the vote and joined the country’s government as a coalition partner. Several facts always cropped up in the international press coverage: his square jaw, his muscled torso, his SS-supporting father, his rabid anti-Semitism, his hatred of immigrants, his description of Auschwitz and Dachau as “punishment centres”. A few newspapers mentioned that he is always surrounded by fit, fanatical young men. A handful went further and pointed out that several of these young men are openly gay. Then one left-wing German paper broke the story everybody else was hinting at. They alleged Haider is gay. Rumours of an Indian waiter with “intimate details” of Haider’s body broke into the press. The Freedom Party’s general manager Gerald Miscka quickly quit, amid accusations that he was Haider’s lover. Haider’s close gay friend Walter Kohler – who has been photographed showing off a holstered pistol while Haider chuckled – declared his opposition to outing politicians. Haider – who is married and has two children – kept quiet while his functionaries denied the rumours. He has quietly dropped out of politics since. On and on it goes. If you inter-railed across Europe, only stopping with gay fascists, there aren’t many sights you’d miss. France’s leading post-war fascist was Edouard Pfieffer, who was not batting for the straight side. Germany’s leading neo-Nazi all through the eighties was called Michael Kuhnen; he died of AIDS in 1991 a few years after coming out. Martin Lee, author of a study of European fascism, explains, “For Kuhnen, there was something supermacho about being a Nazi, as well as being a homosexual, both of which enforced his sense of living on the edge, of belonging to an elite that was destined to make an impact. He told a West German journalist that homosexuals were ‘especially well-suited for our task, because they do not want ties to wife, children and family.’” And it wouldn’t be long before your whistlestop tour arrived in Britain. At first glance, our Nazis seem militantly straight. They have tried to disrupt gay parades, describe gay people as “evil”, and BNP leader Nick Griffin reacted charmingly to the bombing of the Admiral Duncan pub in 1999 with a column saying, “The TV footage of gay demonstrators [outside the scene of carnage] flaunting their perversion in front of the world’s journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures repulsive.” But scratch to homophobic surface and there’s a spandex swastika underneath. In 1999, Martin Webster, a former National Front organiser and head honcho in the British fascist movement, wrote a four-page pamphlet detailing his ‘affair’ with Nick Griffin. “Griffin sought out intimate relations with me,” openly-gay Webster explained, “in the late 1970s. He was twenty years younger than me.” Ray Hill, who infiltrated the British fascist movement for twelve years to gather information for anti-fascist groups, says it’s all too plausible. Homosexuality is “extremely prevalent” in the upper echelons of the British far right, and at one stage in the 1980s nearly half of the movement’s organisers were gay, he claims. Gerry Gable, editor of the anti-fascist magazine ‘Searchlight’, explains, “I have looked at Britain’s Nazi groups for decades and this homophobic hypocrisy has been there all the time. I cannot think of any organisation on the extreme right that hasn’t attacked people on the grounds of their sexual preference and at the same time contained many gay officers and activists.” Griffins’ alleged gay affair would stand in a long British fascist tradition. The leader of the skinhead movement all through the 1970s was a crazed, muscled thug called Nicky Crane. He was the icon of a reactionary backlash against immigrants, feminism and the ‘hippy’ lifetsyle of the 1960s. His movement’s emphasis on conformity to a shaven, dehumanised norm resembled classical fascist movements; Crane soon became a campaigner and leading figure in the National Front. Oh, and he was gay. Before he died of AIDS in the mid-1980s, Crane came out and admitted he had starred in many gay porn videos. Just before he died in 1986, he was allowed to steward a Gay Pride march in London, even though he still said he was “proud to be a fascist.” The rubber-soled friction between gay fascists and progressive British gay people sparked into anger in 1985 when the Gay Skinhead Movement organised a disco at London’s Gay Centre. Several lesbians in particular objected to the “invasion” of the centre. They felt that the cult of “real men” and hypermasculine thugs was stirring up the most base feelings “in the very place, the gay movement, where you would least expect them.” And this Gaystapo has an icon to revere, an alternative Fuhrer to worship: the lost gay fascist leader Ernst Rohm. Along with Adolf Hitler, Rohm was the founding father of Nazism. Born to conservative Bavarian civil servants in 1887, Ernst Rohm’s life began – in his view – in the “heroic” trenches of the First World War. Like so many of the generation who formed the Nazi Party, he was nurtured by and obsessed with the homoerotic myth of the trenches – heroic, beautiful boys prepared to die for their brothers and their country. He emerged from the war with a bullet-scarred face and a reverence for war. As he put it in his autobiography, “Since I am an immature and wicked man, war and unrest appeal to me more than the good bourgeois order.” After being disbanded, he tried half-heartedly to get a foothold in civilian life, but he saw it as alien, bourgeois, boring. He had no political beliefs, only prejudices – particularly hatred of Jews. Historian Joachim Fest describes Rohm’s generation of alienated, demobbed young men humiliated by defeat as “agents of a permanent revolution without any revolutionary idea of the future, only a wish to eternalize the values of the trenches.” It was Rohm who first spotted the potential of a soap-box ranter called Adolf Hitler. He saw him as the demagogue he needed to mobilize support for his plan to overthrow democracy and establish a “soldier’s state” where the army ruled untrammelled. He introduced the young fascist to local politicians and military leaders; they knew him for many years as “Rohm’s boy.” Gay historian Frank Rector notes, “Hitler was, to a substantial extent, Rohm’s protégé.” Rohm integrated Hitler into his underground movement to overthrow the Weimar Republic. Rohm’s blatant, out homosexuality seems bizarre now, given the gay genocide that was to follow. He talked openly about his fondness for gay bars and Turkish baths, and was known for his virility. He believed that gay people were superior to straights, and saw homosexuality as a key principle of his proposed Brave New Fascist Order. As historian Louis Snyder explains, Rohm “projected a social order in which homosexuality would be regarded as a human behaviour pattern of high repute… He flaunted his homosexuality in public and insisted his cronies do the same. He believed straight people weren’t as adept at bullying and aggression as homosexuals, so homosexuality was given a high premium in the SA.” They promoted an aggressive, hypermasculine form of homosexuality, condemning “hysterical women of both sexes”, in reference to feminine gay men. This belief in the superiority of homosexuality had a strong German tradition that grew up at the turn of the twentieth century around Adolf Brand, publisher of the country’s first gay magazine. You could call it ‘Queer as Volk’: they preached that gay men were the foundation of all nation-states and represented an elite, warrior caste that should rule. They venerated the ancient warrior cults of Sparta, Thebes and Athens. Rohm often referred to the ancient Greek tradition of sending gay solider couples into battle, because they were believed to be the most ferocious fighters. The famous pass of Thermopylae, for example was held by 300 soldiers – who consisted of 150 gay couples. In its early years, the SA – Hitler and Rohm’s underground army – was seen as predominantly gay. Rohm assigned prominent posts to his lovers, making Edmund Heines his deputy and Karl Ernst the SA commander in Berlin. The organisation would sometimes meet in gay bars. The gay art historian Christian Isermayer said in an interview, “I got to know people in the SA. They used to throw riotous parties even in 1933… I once attended one. It was quite well-behaved but thoroughly gay. But then, in those days, the SA was ultra-gay.” On June 30th 1934, Rohm was awoken in a Berlin hotel by Hitler himself. He sprang to his feet and saluted, calling, “Heil Mein Fuhrer!” Hitler said simply, “You are under arrest,” and with that he left the room, giving orders for Rohm to be taken to Standelheim prison. He was shot that night. Rohm was the most high-profile kill in the massacre known as ‘the Night of the Long Knives’. Rohm had been suspected by Hitler of disloyalty, but his murder began a massive crackdown on gay people. Heinrich Himmler, head of the Gestapo, described homosexuality as “a symptom of degeneracy that could destroy our race. We must return to the guiding Nordic principle: extermination of degenerates.” German historian Lothar Machtan argues that Hitler had Rohm – and almost all of the large number of gay figures within the SA – killed to silence speculation about his own homosexual experiences. His ‘evidence’ for Hitler being gay is shaky and has been questioned by many historians, although some of his findings are at least suggestive. A close friend of Hitler’s during his teenager years, August Kubizek, alleged a “romantic” affair between them. Hans Mend, a despatch rider who served alongside Hitler in the First World War, claimed to have seen Hitler having sex with a man. Hitler was certainly very close to several gay men, and never seems to have had a normal sexual relationship with a woman, not even his wife, Eva Braun. Rudolph Diels, the founder of the Gestapo, recorded some of Hitler’s private thoughts on homosexuality. “It had destroyed ancient Greece, he said. Once rife, it extended its contagious effects like an ineluctable law of nature to the best and most manly of characters, eliminating from the breeding pool the very men the Volk most needs.” This idea – that homosexuality is ‘contagious’ and, implicitly, tempting – is revelaing. Rohm is venerated on the Homo-Nazi sites that have bred on the internet like germs in a wound. They have names like Gays Against Semitism (with the charming acronym GAS), and the Aryan Resistance Corps (ARC). Their Rohmite philosophy is simple: while white men are superior to other races, gay men are “the masters of the Master Race”. They alone are endowed with the “capacity for pure male bonding” and the “superior intellect” that is needed for “a fascist revolution.” The ARC even organises holiday “get-togethers” for its members where “you can relax amongst the company of our fellow white brothers.” So it’s fairly easy to establish that gay people are not inoculated from fascism. They have often been at its heart. This begs the bigger question: why? How did gay people – so often victims of oppression and hate – become integral to the most hateful and evil political movement of all? Is it just an extreme form of self-harm, the political equivalent to the gay kids who slash their own arms to ribbons out of self-hate? Gay pornographer and film-maker Bruce LaBruce has one explanation. He claims that “all gay porn today is implictly fascist. Fascism is in our bones, because it’s all about glorifying white male supremacy and fetishizing domination, cruelty, power and monstrous authority figures.” He has tried to explore the relationship between homosexuality and fascism in his movies, beginning with ‘No Skin Off My Ass’ in 1991. In his disturbing 1999 film “Skin Flick’, a bourgeois gay couple – one black, one white – are sexually terrorised by a gang of gay skinheads who beat off to ‘Mein Kampf’ and beat up ‘femmes’. He implies that bourgeois gay norms quickly break down to reveal a fascist lurking underneath; the movie ends with the black character being raped in front of his half-aroused white lover, as the racist gang chant, “Fuck the monkey.” I decided to track down some gay fascists and ask them directly. Wyatt Powers, director of the ARC, says, “I always knew in my heart racist and gay were both morally right. I don’t see any conflict between them. It’s only the Jew-owned gay press that tries to convince us that racialism is the same thing as homophobia. You can be an extreme nationalist and gay without any contradiction at all.” One comment board on a gay racist website goes even further into racist lunacy. One gay man from Ohio says, “Even if you are gay and white, or retarded and white, YOU ARE WHITE, BOTTOM LINE! Instead of letting the white race go extinct because of worthless races such as the Africans or Mexicans popping out literally millions of babies a day, we have to fight this fucked up shit they are doing. They are raping our country.” It’s true that racism and homophobia do not necessarily overlap – but as Rabbi Bernard Melchman explains, “Homophobia and anti-Semitism are so often part of the same disease.” Racists are usually homophobic. Even after reading all their web rantings, I didn’t feel any closer to understanding why so many gay men ally themselves with people who will almost always turn on them in the end, just as the Nazis did. Gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell has a sensitive and intriguing explanation. “There are many reasons for this kind of thing,” he says. “Some of them are in denial. They are going for hyper-masculinity, the most extreme possible way of being a man. It’s a way of ostentatiously rejecting the perceived effeminacy of the homosexual ‘Other’. These troubled men have a simple belief in their minds: ‘Straight men are tough. Queers are weak. Therefore if I’m tough I can’t be queer.’ It’s a desperate way of proving their manhood.” ‘Searchlight’ magazine – the bible of the anti-fascist movement, with moles in every major far-right organisation – offers an alternative explanation. “Generally condemned by a society that continues to be largely hostile to gays, some men may find refuge and a new power status in the far right,” one of their writers has explained. “Through adherence to the politics espoused by fascist groups, a new identity emerges – one where they aren’t outcasts, because they are White Men, superior to everyone else. They render the gay part of their identity invisible – or reject the socially less acceptable parts, like being feminine – while vaunting what they see as superior.” But there’s another important question: will fascist movements inevitably turn on gay people? In the case of the Nazis, it seems to have been fairly arbitrary; Hitler’s main reason for killing Rohm was unrelated to his sexuality. From my perspective as a progressive-minded leftie, all fascism is evil; but should all gay people see it as inimical to their interests? Is it possible to have a gay fascist who wasn’t acting against his own interests? Fascism is often defined as “a political ideology advocating hierarchical government that systematically denies equality to certain groups.” It’s true that this hierarchy could benefit gay people at the expense of, say, black people. But given the prevalence of homophobia, isn’t that – even for people who don’t see fascism as inherently evil – a terrible risk to take? Won’t a culture that turns viciously on one minority get around to gay people in the end? This seems, ultimately, to be the lesson of Ernst Rohm’s pitiful, squalid little life. The growing awareness of the role gay men play in fascist movements has been abused by some homophobes. In an especially nutty work of revisionist history called ‘The Pink Swastika’, the ‘historian’ Scott Lively tries to blame gay people for the entire Holocaust, and describes the murder of gay men in the camps as merely “gay-on-gay violence.” A typical website commenting on the book claims absurdly, “The Pink Swastika shows that there was far more brutality, rape, torture and murder committed against innocent people by Nazi homosexuals than there even was against homosexuals themselves.” Yet we can’t allow these madmen to prevent a period of serious self-reflection from the gay movement. If Bruce LaBruce is right, many of the mainstream elements of gay culture – body worship, the lauding of the strong, a fetish for authority figures and cruelty – provide a swamp in which the fascist virus can thrive. It’s time all gay people realised that fascists will not bring on a Fabulous Solution for gay people. They will bring a Final Solution for us all.
Poster Comment: This was sent to me by a German woman I know, and it stuck me there is a lot of truth in it. Stangely, most "libertarians" are homosexual, and through the years I have noticed there is a strong PC Thoughtcrime aspect to them. In other words, fascist.
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This is a fascinating article, and one with immediate relevance to the Bush admin and the neocon circle, many of whom are closeted gays, including Bush himself.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
Wow. Homophobia as intellectual anti-Bush froth. Like we don't have more serious shit to deal with, the gay bashers have to come out of the woodwork and get in their two-cents. Kinda like when the PETA people show up at the Democratic Convention, and no one has the nuts to stand up and tell them how friggin' embarrassing they are. Or when the KKK endorses a candidate. It's like ewwww. Thanks but no thanks.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
Homosexuals, who make up less than two percent of the population, are responsible for at least one-third of all child sex crimes. That's pretty serious shit, I'd say. Everyone whines about Jews, fundamentalist Christians and big corporations gaining control of the government. Another group that needs to be exposed are homosexuals. By the way, Lincoln was a faggot and a mass murderer. The same appears to be true for Bush.
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities also has the power to make you commit atrocities." — Voltaire (1694-1778)
And men are responsible for about 95% of all violent crime. That's pretty serious, too. Maybe we should outlaw men? The problem is xenophobia and hate. The GOP has been feeding us hate as the way to solve all our problems for decades, and the Dems have been responding by saying, "don't hate THAT group, hate that OTHER group." So here we have Jew-haters and Gay-haters and Rich people haters and Mexican haters; while over there they have Poor people haters and black haters and Mexican haters and gay haters... It's all bullshit. You, like me, pay more than half of what you earn to the government, either state, local or federal. When you pay more than half of what you earn to massa, you are a plantation slave. When you say, "dat gay nigga is de problem", massa laughs. When you say "Dem jew niggas or dem Meskin niggas is de problem" massa laughs. Because massa is the problem. And when you and me is being good niggas and going after each other, we isn't going after massa. And we keeps on a pickin his cotton, don't we? Sho do.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
"Serial killers, government tyrants, academic liberals, Catholic priests, politicians, Mormon Church higher-ups, Jewish rabbis, environmental extremists, communists, religious heretics, mass murderers, occultists, spies, and the Illuminati share something hideous and grotesque in common. Almost all are homosexual. Worse, most of the sick-minded men who comprise these demented social groups are not only homosexual, they practice the most kinky and perverted forms of sexual licentiousness—pedophilia, satanic bondage, physical torture, bisexuality, transvestitism, and even bestiality. If you doubt this, I invite you to consider the wicked lives of some of these moral degenerates—men like Lenin, Mussolini, Hitler, Marx, Jim Jones, Alfred Kinsey, Michael Jackson, Jacques DeMolay, Bill Clinton, Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggert, Mick Jagger, Aleister Crowley, Hubert Humphrey, Paul Tsongas, Martin Luther King, Mario Cuomo, Rudy Giuliani, Jeffrey Dahmer, Richard Speck, and John Wayne Gacy......." Two On a Saddle - Unmasking the Sexual Perversions of the Illuminati http://www.texemarrs. com/012002/two_on_a_saddle.htm Two On a Saddle Part II http://www.texemarrs.com/022002/two_on_a_saddle_part_ii.htm
Most, if not all, serial killers are homosexual. For that matter, so are most "libertarians."
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities also has the power to make you commit atrocities." — Voltaire (1694-1778)
The damage done to society by the anti-social behavior that is attached to homosexuality is being ignored or covered up today, while almost every civilization of the past has suffered the dire consequences of it. Over the years I have noticed that many spies and assassins have been fags. It seems that their ability to live with a secret and a double life makes them perfect candidates for subversive acts against society at large, especially when that society doesn't accept them or their behavior. I have also noticed that queers are inclined to support abortion.
"consensus facit legem" "consensus makes the law"
Interesting observations.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers what? you're saying that most libertarians are homosexual?
Unfortunately, yes, at least when dealing with the anarcho-capitalists. Almost all are homosexual. I have for a long time thought there was a virulent strain of fascism in libertarianism. I finally identified as the homosexuality. Tom Palmer of the Cato Institute is a perfect example. He claims he's a libertarian, but he's not. He's a pro-war chickenhawk homosexual fascist. You wouldn't believe the amount of these "libertarians" who use, and believe in, words like "bigot," "racist," etc. They're leftist-fascists.
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities also has the power to make you commit atrocities." — Voltaire (1694-1778)
I've seen this too in libertarian homosexuals. I think what it comes down to is, they just want to have a system that totally allows them to do whatever they want to do with no consequences. Well personally I believe adults should be able to do what they want in their own bedrooms as well, but I think that's their starting point and they move on from there. People usually adapt positions from their own personal experience rather than picking a philosophy just because it makes sense to them.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
The Nazis put the queers in the camps because they were social misfits and moral degenerates, end of story.
“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper
I know several homosexuals who are kind, thoughtful, don't flaunt their sexuality so much, and I like them but worry for their souls. Many homosexuals, on the other hand, are not content to leave their sexuality in the bedroom, but want it to be in our face, and in those of our children, and if we do not like it, would like us to be brought up on hate crimes and disposed of.
Since my mother and her mother never had a need to teach me and my sisters on this subject, I was at something of a loss about what to tell my four sons. When I heard a typical teenage homophobic response I would correct them and say something like "Well that is sad isn't it?". Then again, once when I saw man staring at their asses in a really long and weird way, I told them I was ready to strangle the guy. Emily Post just doesn't have a chapter on this.
"If there’s another 9/11 or a major war in the Middle-East involving a U.S. attack on Iran, I have no doubt that there will be, the day after or within days an equivalent of a Reichstag fire decree that will involve massive detentions in this country." - Daniel Ellsberg Author, Pentagon Papers That's strange as all the gays I know just leave the acknowledgment of their preference as an aside. It is good to know if someone is in the pool for relationships or not and casually being aware of another's same gender preference should be no big thing. You make a mountain out of a molehill. It's only a worry if you distort the truth and try to make others fear a scapegoat to advance a wedge issue agenda.
The Nazis were social misfits and moral degenerates, and no judge of who was fit to imprison or kill, end of story.
Most of the gays I've known have been very nice, productive people, but definitely troubled. They come from similar kinds of backgrounds. Over and over again, I would get to know a gay man and find out that he had no father, or a very weak father, and a dominating mother. I also would find out that they had a lot of problems in general in relating to women, and not just sexually. Once you get to know them in a really personal way, you see that there are a lot of psychological problems inherent in being gay - and not because the society is negative about it. It's a developmental or psychological disorder. I don't want to prosecute them on it, but I am sick of them trying to normalize their aberrant behavior and insisting that the rest of us accept it as normal. I'm sorry there are some things that are just disabilities. If you're deaf, you're deaf. I don't want to pretend that it is as good as being able to hear - it's not.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
There was a lot of homosexuality among the Nazis. Rohm, for example, and his beer-hall rowdies, the SA. Hitler had them all shot. The rumor is that Hitler was a bit of a lavender loveboy himself, saw how homosexuality had destroyed ancient cultures, repressed it in himself, and took his problems out on others.
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities also has the power to make you commit atrocities." — Voltaire (1694-1778)
The only problem is you speak of unscientific anecdotal information. The APA did a SCIENTIFIC study that was exhaustive that contradicts your observations. Besides, nobody is not saying that bigotry does not cause self loathing and problems, but you are incorrectly ascribing manifestations created and exacerbated by homophobia, not a person's sexual orientation. Homosexuality is absolutely well within the range of normal sexual behavior.
The Third Reich was, nevertheless, the lawful government of Germany at the time. Now, we have Next Generation Nazis and queers, both running rampant. Where does that leave us if both are social misfits and moral degenerates?
“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper
The things about Rohm and his cohorts have been verified from different sources. But, there is alot of BS floating around about Hitler. Not all of the SA were homos. They were the shock troops in the street fights with Marxists and others (who were under orders from the Comintern and Moscow) who would frequently even resort to armed violence rather than just good old fashioned fisticuffs. If you don't know the whole story about Ernst Rohm, you should realize that not only did he challenge Hitler, but the General Staff of the Wehrmacht as well. Hitler put an end to the attempted coup by Rohm and his collaborators with the Night of the Long Knives. The SA under Rohm had grown out of control at that point (their numbers being equal to the Wehrmacht itself) and the attempted coup was put down by Hitler himself as he met troops face to face and ordered them to return to their barracks.
“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper
There is nothing 'lawful' about fascists in power. Every one of those dogs came into power deserving the noose. Having power and managing a land and people on it like a herd of cattle ain't leadership. Hitler was never a true leader, as a leader is there to not serve his own selfish needs and interests, but to do what is best for the people. He was never a servant, just another tin pot tyrant like Bush, longing in the deepest reaches of his puerile heart to be an emperor, or at the very least a king.
The ADL has a large hand in training the New Gestapo. Are you ok with that, Mike? Hitler was never a true leader, as a leader is there to not serve his own selfish needs and interests, but to do what is best for the people. I'm no fan of Hitler as he was the leader of a centralized industrial military power, but he did one thing for the Germans that no leader of any other country in the world did at the time: Germany was the only country to crawl out of debt and the Depression because Hitler told the Banksters to kiss his ass. Then he spent the whole country into the toilet. But he got it right for a few years.
I think gays suck.... :P Seriously, it doesn't surprise me at all that an Administration chock full of closeted queers, and "headed" by a "Queen Bee" Commander-in-Chief, is rapidly inaugurating fascism here on our shores, all the while prating about "freedom" and "democracy." Deceit and double dealing, emotional immaturity, selfishness and lack of empathy for others, a soulless worship of power, and a twisted craving for violence---since both power and violence are perceived to be "masculine" and hence a "turn-on"---, are all very typically "gay" (what a misnomer...). And all these traits very much characterize the Bush Administration----perhaps the contemporary Republican Party in general. Odd, isn't it, that the party least associated with "gay rights" in reality seems to be run by gays, while the party associated with "gay rights" and feminism seems to have more men at the top who'd rather have the "offices" (as in "Oval" :P) of a female of the species..... :P
Paging Richard Perle, Bill Kristol, Jonah Goldboig and Co.
Don't forget intolerance, non-diversity, bigotry and public nativity scenes. Because massa is the problem. You and massa serve the same massa.
We obviously have different takes on the problems with the police. I do not blame everything on the Jews. The police get lots of training, lots of new equipment and are ready to do lots of strange policing tasks they should never be involved in.
That doesn't negate the fact that the ADL has a larger hand in training the New Gestapo than any other private group in America. Are you comfortable with that?
That is exactly the point of the article, and my point also. Everyone whines about Jews, Christian Zionists, corporations...they're forgetting another group --homosexuals.
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities also has the power to make you commit atrocities." — Voltaire (1694-1778)
People are more likely to agree with a philosophy once they've decided that joining the group (such as libertarians, dems, reps,) suits their puposes. They surely become more inclined to listen to others of the same orientation. So, I disagree with the assertion quoted above. Group-think challenges individuality.
"consensus facit legem" "consensus makes the law"
I have not looked at the content of the training they give. That they give it is not enough for me to condemn them for anything. I have criticized the militarization of the police for many years. And I have been reamed by the Eugene Police Department in the local news media when I have erred in my criticism, so I am more careful about it then I used to be. If you have a link to a site that covers the contends of the training that would be interesting. But just he fact they give blocks of training is not enough for me to go on to criticize them for doing so.
People usually adapt positions from their own personal experience rather than picking a philosophy just because it makes sense to them. People are more likely to agree with a philosophy once they've decided that joining the group (such as libertarians, dems, reps,) suits their puposes. They surely become more inclined to listen to others of the same orientation. So, I disagree with the assertion quoted above. Group-think challenges individuality. However, I think people pick certain groups, or are attracted to certain groups, because of their own needs and experiences. The groups may radicalize them, but the seed was always there, otherwise they wouldn't be attracted. This is presuming that someone is joining a group of their own free will, of course, and is not raised into something like a church or cult.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
Sho do. Now git yo black ass back to werk.
the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.
Know what you mean. I felt the same way when my daughter came home and told me she was hit on in a restaurant by a dyke waitress. The next time she went there, and the woman started in again, my daughter snapped and gave her a "rude" retort. The owner is very observant. I wonder if he saw it, because come to think of it, she didn't last long after that.
fyi, if you are interested, imo, the origins of the gaystapo: http://freedom4um.com/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=35496&Disp=13 "....In an irony to Jewish history, could the tribe of Dan have gone to Greece and later to Rome? Could descendents of Dan have actually been involved with all the holocausts of Jewish history (Greek, Roman, Inquisition and Nazi Germany)?...." Apparently Jerusalem was filled with Sodomites before it fell to the Romans, as well.
I omitted that final bit the first time, and I shouldn't have. I have heard this said about homosexuals in general, before. I think you are on to something. Re-reading the article quickly, because I have to go, I was reminded that the "Jews" are great at projecting their faults onto others. Here is the entry for projection from wikipedia. I think they may have removed the part about doing this out of a sense of guilt. Nevertheless: "... Overview According to Sigmund Freud, projection is a psychological defense mechanism whereby one "projects" one's own undesirable thoughts, motivations, desires, feelings—basically parts of oneself—onto someone else (usually another person, but psychological projection onto animals, inanimate objects - even religious constructs - also occurs). The principle of projection is well- established in psychology...... Historical uses Peter Gay describes it as "the operation of expelling feelings or wishes the individual finds wholly unacceptable—too shameful, too obscene, too dangerous— by attributing them to another." (Freud: A Life for Our Time, page 281) The concept was anticipated by Friedrich Nietzsche: "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." — Beyond Good and Evil ..... Counter-projection When addressing psychological trauma the defense mechanism is sometimes counter projection, including an obsession to continue and remain in a recurring trauma- causing situation and the compulsive obsession with the perceived perpetrator of the trauma or its projection. Jung writes that "All projections provoke counter-projection when the object is unconscious of the quality projected upon it by the subject." Common definitions "Projection is the opposite defence mechanism to identification. We project our own unpleasant feelings onto someone else and blame them for having thoughts that we really have." "A defense mechanism in which the individual attributes to other people impulses and traits that he himself has but cannot accept. It is especially likely to occur when the person lacks insight into his own impulses and traits." ........ "A man harboring attractions for a woman would perceive other men has having the same attractions for her." "People attribute their own undesirable traits onto others. An individual who unconsciously harbours his or her aggressive/sexual tendencies may then imagine other people acting in an excessively aggressive or sexual way." "An individual who possesses malicious characteristics, but who is unwilling to perceive himself as an antagonist, convinces himself that his opponent feels and would act the same way." [edit] Psychopathology In psychopathology, projection is an especially commonly used defense mechanism in people with certain personality disorders: Paranoid personality disorder Narcissistic personality disorder Antisocial personality disorder Psychopathy " http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/Psychological_projection Under repression: "...Abnormal repression, or complex neurotic behavior involving repression and the superego, occur when repression develops, or continues to develop due to the internalized feelings of anxiety, in ways leading to behavior that is illogical, self-destructive, or anti-social. http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/Psychological_repression
Google search of the ADL's site:police trains OR training yields 567 hits. It would be educational for all to take a gander who haven't yet done so. One example: Posted: September 14, 2006 Member agencies of the St. Louis County Mobile Response Team gathered for an ADL training on right-wing extremism on September 12 in St. Louis, Missouri. The conference brought together officers representing 40 different local agencies. The training focused on domestic extremist groups, including anti-government extremists and white supremacist groups, and examined extremist ideologies, extremist activities, and the latest criminal tactics and trends used by extremists, as well as local St. Louis extremist activity. Officers present included members of the Chesterfield Police Department, Shrewsbury Police Department, Ladue Police Department, Des Peres Police Department, Kirkwood Police Department, Maryland Heights Police Department, St. Louis County Police Department, Glendale Police Department, Eureka Police Department, Clayton Police Department, Lambert-St. Louis International Airport Police Department, Manchester Police Department, Hazelwood Police Department, and University of Missouri Police Department. The ADL is defining what "extremism" and "anti=government" ideologies are and the Jewish group is training cops as the Feds are gearing up to crack down on dissent. Anyone who still supports the ADL after knowing these things is no friend to honest American dissent. Ask Christopher Bollyn.
Mike- As the ADL is defining what "extremism" and "anti-government" ideologies are while training cops all over the country and as the Feds are increasingly going after those they consider to be "extremist" and "anti-government", how can you, in good conscience, still claim to support a group that's training the government's muscle? I won't be letting up on this.
This reminds me of an article recently regarding 'frames' set in wait, here in the US. It's much the same as al-quaeda cells, but to work for ADL type missions. I wish I could remember the title of the article.. but I did read it here within the last couple of weeks. I'd never heard or dreamed of such things.
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Jewish groups like the ADL invented the idea of "cells". The Freudian concept of projection applies very well in this case.
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#2. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
Homosexuality as Fascism
#3. To: bluedogtxn (#2)
Like we don't have more serious shit to deal with
#4. To: YertleTurtle (#3)
Homosexuals, who make up less than two percent of the population, are responsible for at least one-third of all child sex crimes.
#5. To: YertleTurtle, mehitable (#0)
#6. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#5)
#7. To: YertleTurtle (#3)
#8. To: noone222, Diana, Red Jones (#7)
#9. To: YertleTurtle (#6)
For that matter, so are most "libertarians."
#10. To: christine (#9)
what? you're saying that most libertarians are homosexual?
#11. To: YertleTurtle (#10)
#12. To: mehitable, YertleTurtle (#11)
People usually adapt positions from their own personal experience rather than picking a philosophy just because it makes sense to them.
#13. To: mehitable (#11)
#14. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#13)
#15. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#13)
"Many homosexuals, on the other hand, are not content to leave their sexuality in the bedroom, but want it to be in our face, and in those of our children, and if we do not like it, would like us to be brought up on hate crimes and disposed of."
#16. To: BTP Holdings (#12)
"The Nazis put the queers in the camps because they were social misfits and moral degenerates, end of story."
#17. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#13)
#18. To: BTP Holdings (#12)
The Nazis put the queers in the camps because they were social misfits and moral degenerates, end of story.
#19. To: mehitable (#17)
#20. To: Ferret Mike (#16)
The Nazis were social misfits and moral degenerates, and no judge of who was fit to imprison or kill, end of story.
#21. To: YertleTurtle (#18)
There was a lot of homosexuality among the Nazis. Rohm, for example, and his beer-hall rowdies, the SA. Hitler had them all shot. The rumor is that Hitler was a bit of a lavender loveboy himself, saw how homosexuality had destroyed ancient cultures, repressed it in himself, and took his problems out on others.
#22. To: BTP Holdings (#20)
"The Third Reich was, nevertheless, the lawful government of Germany at the time."
#23. To: Ferret Mike, BTP Holdings (#22)
(Edited)
There is nothing 'lawful' about fascists in power.
#24. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
#25. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
Gaystapo
#26. To: bluedogtxn (#4)
The problem is xenophobia and hate.
#27. To: AngelSpawn (#23)
(Edited)
"The ADL has a large hand in training the New Gestapo. Are you ok with that, Mike?"
#28. To: Ferret Mike (#27)
#29. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#24)
Seriously, it doesn't surprise me at all that an Administration chock full of closeted queers, and "headed" by a "Queen Bee" Commander-in-Chief, is rapidly inaugurating fascism here on our shores, all the while prating about "freedom" and "democracy."
#30. To: mehitable (#11)
People usually adapt positions from their own personal experience rather than picking a philosophy just because it makes sense to them.
#31. To: AngelSpawn (#28)
"That doesn't negate the fact that the ADL has a larger hand in training the New Gestapo than any other private group in America."
#32. To: noone222 (#30)
To: mehitable
#33. To: AngelSpawn (#26)
You and massa serve the same massa.
#34. To: robin (#14)
Then again, once when I saw man staring at their asses in a really long and weird way, I told them I was ready to strangle the guy.
#35. To: YertleTurtle, BTP HOLDINGS, mehitable, AngelSpawn, Peatie Wheatstraw (#18)
There was a lot of homosexuality among the Nazis. Rohm, for example, and his beer-hall rowdies, the SA. Hitler had them all shot. The rumor is that Hitler was a bit of a lavender loveboy himself, saw how homosexuality had destroyed ancient cultures,
#36. To: YertleTurtle (#18)
The rumor is that Hitler was a bit of a lavender loveboy himself, saw how homosexuality had destroyed ancient cultures, repressed it in himself, and took his problems out on others.
#37. To: Ferret Mike, bluedogtxn, Cynicom, Horse, Indrid Cold, richard9151, robin, IndieTX, ruthie, Red Jones, christine, Zipporah (#31)
I have not looked at the content of the training they give.
ADL Trains Missouri Mobile Response Team
#38. To: Ferret Mike, jessejane, BTP Holdings, Cynicom, christine (#37)
#39. To: AngelSpawn (#38)
#40. To: jessejane (#39)
It's much the same as al-quaeda cells, but to work for ADL type missions.
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