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Title: Two Marines Killed In Fighting In Anbar Province; 23 U.S. servicemembers killed in Iraq this week...
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Associated Press
URL Source: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006 ... /ME_GEN_Iraq_US_Casualties.php
Published: Oct 5, 2006
Author: Associated Press
Post Date: 2006-10-05 17:16:13 by Brian S
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Comments: 28
Two Marines killed in fighting in Anbar province The Associated Press Published: October 5, 2006 BAGHDAD, Iraq Two U.S. Marines were killed in fighting in Iraq's western Anbar province, a hotbed of the Shiite insurgency, the U.S. command announced Thursday. The two Marines, assigned to Regimental Combat Team 7, were killed from "enemy action" on Wednesday, the command said in a statement. It provided no further details and said their names were being withheld pending notification of their families. Their deaths brought to 23 the number of U.S. servicemembers killed in Iraq this week.
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#1. To: Brian S, all (#0)
Yet more waste of life. Oh well....they joined *and* I'm betting their IDIOT parents think the sacriface of their kid was worth while. Assholes...
Assholes... Jethro... Needs editing.
AnacondaLisa Rice showing how safe Baghdad Airport is 3+ Years after "Mission Accomplished."
How many of the 23 were killed by small arms fire? And what does this change in enemy tactics signify?
Katrina was America's Chernobyl.
These beltway people show up to schmooz with the troops. In reality they are using the troops as propaganda grist back home.
16 from "hostile fire" or "small arms fire" rather than "hostile fire, IED attack". In other words- more are dying in stand up fire fights with insurgents. It would indicate more strength on the part of insurgents.
That is an excellent and telling pic Ferret.
My friend has been back a few months from his second tour and is now undergoing counseling. Not a "kid" by any means, he is 50 years old. If he accepts Lt. Col. they want him to go to Afghanistan for a year.
Mike, below is text of State Dept release, I found it amusing. "But her arrival in Baghdad was delayed by 30 minutes because of "indirect fire" at the airport complex, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said. Her plane circled until it was deemed safe for her to land."
Outstanding picture. Says more than a book would.
Lots to smile about. Lots, lots.
I agree with Burkeman1, this demonstrates greater strength on the insurgency. It also shows that their tactics and training are improving, and they're growing in confidence. Traditionally, a prudent enemy commander wouldn't countenance giving battle with the US forces anywhere. Now it appears that they're more willing to take that risk, which doesn't bode well for us. They could also be getting more accurate with their firing. For at least two years it was always said that "spray and pray" was the firing technique of choice for the insurgency. Maybe that's changed a bit. I spoke at length with a Major that was over there with me about how he would train if he was leading them, and what tactics he would use. It was really a common sense type of approach, with in the beginning use ambushes and occasional indirect fire until they're well trained enough to combine an ambush with indirect fire and possibly IEDs. The insurgency has pretty much followed a similar path. One thing that weakens this argument a little bit is that the Marines were issued the SAPI plates for their body armor (after the scandal about the quality of the armor) but they decided that mobility was more important than protection, as the plates make the armor quite heavy. If one is doing a foot patrol as opposed to a mounted patrol, the body armor wears you out. Since the Marines possibly aren't wearing the extra protective plates, they would have more small arms casualties that the plates would have stopped otherwise. As an aside, I worked last year with a different Major who was involved with the procurement of the body armor, and the PM that was handling it one day looked at him and said "There are worse things than dying, you know." It was a statement in response to all the horrificly maimed soldiers who would have died except for the armor keeping their vital portions so well protected that multiple limbs were destroyed during an attack.
I only wish him the best. PTSD is a serious problem many who have gone to war suffer from. Sadly, it is so pervasive and expensive a disorder to address, it is one of the most ignored afflictions by the V.A. They just don't want to hear about it, and the standard of proof for it is incredibly difficult to meet. Sadly, the underfunded V.A. will have what budget they do have gutted unmercifully once these contrived wars are over. I got allot out of the Army. I am still affected by a sense of pride and have feelings for it. I know as I saw a leg home on leave at Saturday Market in class As with his coat unbuttoned with no cover on and SSG McCarthy was beating on my head asking to be allowed to go do an on the spot correction. Naturally I didn't as it is no longer my purview to do so as a former NCO. That surprised me. But I imagine I shouldn't of been. I love this country and fear my government. The electric butter knife and tab still mean enough to me I carry my coin in my wallet, and I want to be buried with it when I pass on. Go figure.
As we get absolutley no details of the fighting in our controlled censored press I have read alternative media that suggests nearly every "smalls arms hostile fire" death (before this "Baghdad offensive" in the last few days) has been from sniper fire and that these deaths are increasing. Sniper war is perhaps the worst sort of warfare a second generation military can endure. It is morale draining and maddening. Death at any second- often without the shot even being heard in congested city streets with traffic noise. Just intant death. Of course I imagine the reaction to such deaths by the troops that just suffered a sniper casualty isn't too healthy for the civilians who just happen to be in the area.
The single greatest life saver in this war has been the development of quick clotting agents that stop bleeding almost immediately even on massive wounds. Men who would have died in minutes after having their lower half blown off have been saved. All sorts utterly disfiguring injuries that no one would have thought possible to be survivable have been treated successfully in Iraq. The flip side of this is that you have many many soliders who are little more than a torso and head or wounded in such ways that by all right they shouldn't be alive- often with brain damage as well. Things worse than death? Yep.
The upside for the insurgency is that our lashing out indiscriminately just makes more people sympatheic to their cause and gives them more supporters. There's been lots of talk of the whiz-bang gadgets. One of my favorites is this microphone that's supposed to be able to detect where a sniper's bullet came from. No one has explained to me yet how it's supposed to be able to determine what was echoes in an urban environment or how it can tell if it was friendly fire, etc. Yet the army is spending millions on figuring out how to determine where a bullet came from. As always, hardware first, then training then tactics, instead of how COL Boyd stated it, "People, ideas, hardware-in that order." http://Military.com is reporting that there is a joint USMC/US Army manual on counterinsurgency due out next month. The little info the AP report on it had seemed to indicate that there was some learning going on, but it didn't go far enough.
Burky is not only a war hater, Israel hater, but MOST directly he is a very subtle AMERICA hater. Always on the edge but not quite daring to expose himself. Read his posts carefully and you will find a constant pattern of America hatred.
It is difficult for an honest man not to be upset with his country when it is so fearsomely off the rails. My better angels tell me, Cynicon, that you are divider and a troll sent from hell. I want to hear your denial.
Sniper war? One more similarity with Stalingrad.
Katrina was America's Chernobyl.
To deny something that you allege is a game played by children. For instance, do you deny you are a pedophile??? Now if you deny it, I can play endless word games and still make you look bad. I state my views and opinions, and as I have stated before, there are alternatives open to you, dont read them, use bozo or there is PM to the owners and request I be banned. Burky chose the easy way out, he rang up the Bozo card. You invited yourself in on something that I suspect you honestly do not know anything about or what is going on. That I can understand. However if you chose to carry water for Burky for whatever reason then you have to take what comes with it. At the top is PM, avail yourself of it to management if you are so indignant that you wish to silence others. I assure you, I will manage here with you, regardless of what you write.
"You invited yourself in on something that I suspect you honestly do not know anything about or what is going on." Can you explain in some concise way exactly what it is that "is going on"? "However if you chose to carry water for Burky for whatever reason then you have to take what comes with it." May I ask you what you mean by that? What is it that "comes with that"? "I will manage here with you, regardless of what you write." I have absolutely no doubt that you will.
In American Lit, Dalton Trumbo's 1938 Johnny Got His Gun is the only book I can think of from that generation of post-World War One writers who focused on this aspect you mention. While Mr.Trumbo was a Red (he had to do the screenplay for Sparatcus under a psuedonym after getting blacklisted), his focus on the individual was uniquely American while the anti- war Europeans focused on the lies of adults (Kipling's poetry and Remarque's All Quiet...where the protagonist has a clean sniper's death at the end) Hemingway, while brilliant in A Farewell to Arms, did join the fray for the Reds in Spain (like Orwell) so they weren't anti-war, just anti-that war...and just like Trumbo after the Werhmarcht invaded Russia. JGHG: FYI, there is a Maine soldier living this hell about an hour from here at a Vet hospital. His story was on tv for 3 minutes a few years ago, and the family said they were just so glad he was alive.
Does that bother you??? By the way do you deny you are a pedophile???? Why did'nt you answer??? See what I mean about childishness? You have a good day and do try and avoid reading my horrible posts that never mention you.
Good heavens...Look what Burky just posted. Nearly word for word for what I have been saying. My, my my. Olberman's harsh rhetoric against Bush is, at the end of the day, just harsh rhetoric against Bush. He in fact is a very effective two party fraud water carrier. He has purposefully odopted a Murrowesque seromonizing quality in his voice, tone, and pitch. He even looks the part. Always very supportive of DC templates and myths- comparing Bush to the "Great Presidents" like Lincoln and FDR and Truman and even Reagan- all the "Great" men who built up the current war/welfare state. At the end of the day- Olberman is just another two party fraud spokesman who supports war- the war state- and just doesn't like Bush. I can't get excited about him at all.
"By the way do you deny you are a pedophile???? No, I am not. "You have a good day and do try and avoid reading my horrible posts that never mention you." Thank you, I am having a fine day. I shall continue to be a student of your interesting posts. Now, I want to hear you deny that you are a divider sent from hell.
I am a troll, divider and all sorts of things, now admit to all here that u are a closet pedophile. Childish is'nt it? By the way, you better take Burky to task for what he just posted as it is word for word what I have said that has so irritated you. My , my my,
Marksmanship and good rifles is one of the most valuable assets a resistance movement could possess, imho...
I'm having difficulty identifying the post that you are referring to. I did see this: #17. To: historian1944 (#16) "Of course I imagine the reaction to such deaths by the troops that just suffered a sniper casualty isn't too healthy for the civilians who just happen to be in the area." Burky is not only a war hater, Israel hater, but MOST directly he is a very subtle AMERICA hater. Always on the edge but not quite daring to expose himself. Read his posts carefully and you will find a constant pattern of America hatred. Cynicom posted on 2006-10-06 8:51:14 ET It struck me as an unprovoked and very cheap shot. Childish wasn't it?
#2. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
Oh well....they joined *and* I'm betting their IDIOT parents think the sacriface of their kid was worth while.
#3. To: Cynicom (#2)
#4. To: Brian S (#0)
23 U.S. servicemembers killed in Iraq this week...
#5. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
how safe
#6. To: aristeides (#4)
#7. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
#8. To: aristeides (#4)
How many of the 23 were killed by small arms fire?
#9. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
showing how safe Baghdad Airport
#10. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
how safe
#11. To: Ferret Mike (#3)
#12. To: aristeides, burkeman1 (#4)
#13. To: Cynicom (#8)
"My friend has been back a few months from his second tour and is now undergoing counseling. Not a "kid" by any means, he is 50 years old. If he accepts Lt. Col. they want him to go to Afghanistan for a year."
#14. To: historian1944 (#12)
#15. To: historian1944 (#12)
#16. To: Burkeman1 (#14)
Of course I imagine the reaction to such deaths by the troops that just suffered a sniper casualty isn't too healthy for the civilians who just happen to be in the area.
#17. To: historian1944 (#16)
Of course I imagine the reaction to such deaths by the troops that just suffered a sniper casualty isn't too healthy for the civilians who just happen to be in the area.
#18. To: Cynicom (#17)
(Edited)
#19. To: Burkeman1 (#14)
#20. To: randge (#18)
I want to hear your denial.
#21. To: Cynicom (#20)
#22. To: Burkeman1 (#15)
He threw back his head and started to yell from fright. But he only started because he had no mouth to yell with. He was so surprised at not yelling when he tried that he began to work his jaws like a man who has found something interesting and wants to test it. He was so sure the idea of no mouth was a dream that he could investigate it calmly. He tried to work his jaws and he had no jaws. He tried to run his tongue around the inside of his teeth and over the roof of his mouth as if he were chasing a raspberry seed. But he didn't have any tongue and he hadn't any teeth. There was no roof to his mouth and there was no mouth. He tried to swallow but he couldn't because he had no palate and there weren't any muscles left to swallow with.
#23. To: randge (#21)
I have absolutely no doubt that you will.
#24. To: randge (#21)
Burkeman!
#25. To: Cynicom (#23)
Why did'nt you answer??? "
#26. To: randge (#25)
Now, I want to hear you deny that you are a divider sent from hell.
#27. To: aristeides (#19)
Sniper war?
#28. To: Cynicom (#26)
By the way, you better take Burky to task for what he just posted as it is word for word what I have said that has so irritated you. My , my my,
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