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Title: Breaking News: Shot fired At Memorial Middle School : Student Begged, ‘Not To Make Me Do This’ - Armed With An AK-47
Source: www.joplinglobe.com
URL Source: http://www.joplinglobe.com/local/local_story_282101951.html
Published: Oct 9, 2006
Author: joplinglobe
Post Date: 2006-10-09 10:51:02 by Mind_Virus
Keywords: None
Views: 1653
Comments: 46

Breaking News: Shot fired At Memorial Middle School

October 09, 2006 08:43 am

9:18 a.m. Student Begged, ‘Not To Make Me Do This’

A Memorial Middle School student, armed with an AK-47 assault rifle, pointed the gun this morning at two school administrators and begged them, ‘not to make me do this.”

A 15-year-old student walked into the east side of Memorial Middle School about 7:45 a.m. where he was spotted by Memorial Principle Steve Gilbreath and Assistant Superintendent Steve Doerr.

School officials say the student pointed the gun at the two men, asked them “not to make me do this” and then raised the gun and fired a shot into the ceiling of the school, breaking a water pipe.

After firing the shot, he said again, “Please don’t make me do this.”

Doerr and Gilbreth persuaded the student to go outside the building where he was confronted by two police officers who had their weapons drawn. The student dropped the rifle and was taken into custody.

Joplin police Officer Curt Farmer said officers found a note in the student’s packpack indicating that he had placed an explosive device in the school.

Students in the school were moved to Memorial Hall where they are awaiting their parents.

School Superintendent Jim Simpson said the school will be closed for the day while police make a search of the building.

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#6. To: BTP Holdings (#2)

You have no idea what the hell's going on. Nor do I. Do you really put it past the government to be behind this in some way?

Are AK47's that readily available?

angle  posted on  2006-10-09   11:02:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: All (#3)

Just heard the news and it was on there.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-10-09   11:02:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: angle (#6)

Are AK47's that readily available?

That is if it was an AK. There are tens of thousands of the semi-auto version in the country.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-10-09   11:04:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: BTP Holdings (#8)

They sure are. I should know, one of my assault rifles is one of the versions made for paratroopers.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-09   11:06:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: angle (#4)

but no Iraq war, 911 truth or suspension of habeas corpus.

business as usual...

Leather and Lace*

christine  posted on  2006-10-09   11:07:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: All (#8)

Just heard an update on radio.

They are saying it was a 13 y/o and he had an "AK-47 assault rifle" and that he had planned this attack for some time, including the use of explosives.

I will be interested to hear what kind of lies and other BS they come up with on the so-called explosives.

I do not trust the MSM one bit to report any of this accurately.

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-10-09   11:08:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Ferret Mike (#9) (Edited)

one of my assault rifles is one of the versions made for paratroopers.

I once had a FAL paratrooper rifle in .308. I traded it for another rifle. Damn, that sure was little with the stock folded up. I wish I still had it. The barrel length was only 20 inches so it was really only good for shorter range. But that cartridge packs a real wallop. ;0)

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-10-09   11:11:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Mind_Virus (#0)

The democrats and unions are behind this.

I'm still detached from reality.

Weekend Badeye  posted on  2006-10-09   11:14:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Weekend Badeye (#13)

It ain't the weekend...go back to your regular job. What is that again?

angle  posted on  2006-10-09   11:15:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Ferret Mike (#9)

An AK toting tree hugger? OMG! What's this world coming to? hehehe

Do I hear a fat lady singing?

Critter  posted on  2006-10-09   11:17:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: BTP Holdings (#12) (Edited)

No bicyclist should leave home without one. One of the reasons I moved back to Eugene from Portland was how out of control people have gotten. I had two gutter punks come up to me in a popular park on a Friday night.

One grabbed my handlebars and said, "That's my bike (It was my Bridgestone MB- 1 which is worth a pretty penny). I tried prying his hand off and his friend slapped me.

When I pulled my snub nosed S&W out though, both got polite and said they must be mistaken about the bike being theirs'.

Guns can be a hell of a great truth serum. (Yes I do have a concealed weapon's permit.) ;-)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-09   11:19:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: angle, Weekend Badeye (#14)

Columbus Day

But aren't the public libraries closed today?

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-10-09   11:20:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: angle (#14)

It ain't the weekend...go back to your regular job. What is that again?

lol

Leather and Lace*

christine  posted on  2006-10-09   11:23:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Critter (#15)

"An AK toting tree hugger? OMG! What's this world coming to?"

I would never take one on such an action. But when I am on my own time I remember how close I've been more then once to be punked for my bike. The MAX train in Portland allows bikes and I had to run cyclo-cross style from a group at one of the remote stops and rode off the wrong way on the limited access highway paralleling the tracks.

One of the sports up there is walking up to someone not watching and punching them, like if you are on a pay phone for instance. Some even video the spectacle to watch later on and laugh about it.

The world is not getting safer, and if one relies on the police and their long waiting times until one get a response, they are a fool.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-09   11:37:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: angle (#14)

It ain't the weekend...go back to your regular job. What is that again?

Just what I thought.

This site is nothing but democrat-supporting union thugs.

I'm still detached from reality.

Weekend Badeye  posted on  2006-10-09   11:53:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: robin (#17)

But aren't the public libraries closed today

No...I drove my Hummer to the library on the Burkley Campus where they don't celebrate that injun killin' Columbus.

I'm still detached from reality.

Weekend Badeye  posted on  2006-10-09   11:55:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: all (#11)

Why would anyone need an AK-47 assault rifle???????????????

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-10-09   11:58:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

Why would anyone need an AK-47 assault rifle???????????????

Are you daft man? I'd be glad to have one.

angle  posted on  2006-10-09   12:05:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: angle (#23)

Best get one now. When the Ds grab power, they'll be illegal.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-10-09   12:14:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Ferret Mike (#16)

When I pulled my snub nosed S&W out though, both got polite and said they must be mistaken about the bike being theirs'.

LOL...great story. Glad you weren't hurt.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2006-10-09   12:27:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Mind_Virus (#0)

After firing the shot, he said again, “Please don’t make me do this.”

Who is he 'talking' to...the 'voices' in his head? Karl Rove?

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2006-10-09   12:29:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Mind_Virus (#0)

GOOGLE "MKULTRA ASSASSINS"

The Timeline for the Amish school shootings, had the cop state SEVERAL times that the wife was at a prayer meeting at CHURCH [puts the onus on CHRISTIANS against Christians, which is most likely NOT the case]. Another interesting tidbit, was that the shooter had come from HIS ROUTINE DRUG TEST [at 3 a.m., I believe was said], required because of his job as a milk truck driver. This theme of psychodrugs, and wack-job psychiatrists, and now DRUG-TESTING is too much of a coincidence. The neighbors and family of the Amish shooter said this was TOTALLY OUT OF HIS CHARACTER, and totally unforeseen.

"British psychiatry: from eugenics to assassination

by Anton Chaitkin

A behavior control research project was begun in the 1950s, coordinated by the British psychological warfare unit called the Tavistock Institute, with the Scottish Rite Masons, the Central Intelligence Agency, and other British, U.S., Canadian, and United Nations agencies. The project became famous in the 1970s under a CIA code name, ``MK-Ultra.'' Its notoriety for brainwashing by drugs, hypnosis, electroshock, and other tortures caused many books to be written about the project, and the U.S. Senate conducted hearings which exposed many of its abusive features. President Gerald Ford appointed a commission headed by Vice President Nelson Rockefeller, to correct the CIA's misconduct. There was a widespread anti-establishment view at the time, that here was the fox appointed to guard the hen house. The intelligence agencies offered a public rationale for the project: the need to counteract and compete with the mind-control capabilities of the communists. This was largely based on the fact that U.S. personnel held prisoner by the enemy in the Korean War had signed false confessions of crimes, and some had defected to North Korea, the apparent result of brainwashing. {The Manchurian Candidate,} a 1959 book which was made into a popular movie in 1962, reflected this rationale. It told the story of a communist plot to use a U.S. soldier brainwashed in Manchuria as a zombie-assassin, to kill the leading U.S. presidential candidate. A central theme of MK-Ultra was to attempt to control the human mind in a similar way. Threatened and accomplished assassination of political leaders has become increasingly frequent in public life since the 1960s. Just since the 1992 election campaign, for example, President Bill Clinton has been the target of at least 15 assassination threats. Many of these would-be killers, and many of the assassins of past years, had been in destructive psychiatric programs, or were members of psychiatrically manipulated cults. The present threats are the more meaningful, in the context of the British-led Whitewater scandal directed against the presidency. It is long past time for a thorough public inquiry into the assassination epidemic, whereby its relationship to the official project to {create assassins} would be fully explored. A great obstacle to clear thinking in this area has been the assumption that the U.S. government would not sponsor programs for the murder of American leaders. This logical assumption misses the point, that the overall project, including ``MK-Ultra,'' has been foreign-sponsored and anti- American in its purposes. We shall outline here the British background of this deeply criminal enterprise, with its roots in the political and psychiatric movement called eugenics.............."

http://www.heliophobe.com/mkultra.h tm

Gun Confiscation to make us sitting targets for the enemy within, is the desired goal [you knew that], particularly since the "National Guard" and other "defense" forces are being deliberately depleted in foreign wars of aggression for the benefit of said "enemy within", and using brainwashed assassins to put the blame ELSEWHERE, is said enemy's usual Modus Operandi.

Fortress Americas Part 2 - Yisraelim Prepare to Invade America Back to "Fortress Americas Part 1 - Ben Gurion's One True Zion", Click Here ... to promote a general climate 'conducive to gun control' in the west, ... http://vialls.com/myahudi/fortre ss2.html -

Russia vSo conquest of the “one true Zion” was to be a long drawn-out game, ... Fortress Americas, Part 2 - Yisraelim Prepare to Invade America - Click Here. http://vialls.com/myahudi/fortre ss1.html

Nassi 3 So conquest of the "one true Zion" was to be a long drawn-out game, with Zionists ... to promote a general climate 'conducive to gun control' in the west, ... http://www.samliquidation.com/n assi_3.htm -

Do Our Jewish 'Leaders' Want Us All To Be Victims?

By Aaron Zelman

Executive Director Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership 5-12-2

http://www.rense.com/general25/le ad.htm

The obvious answer is: yes.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-10-09   12:58:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: who knows what evil, BTP Holdings (#26)

After firing the shot, he said again, “Please don’t make me do this.” Who is he 'talking' to...the 'voices' in his head? Karl Rove?

Please see #27

I flashed on the thought that they should scan his brain for a chip, thinking I had read something along those lines. Just did a quick search, and have not read the following, yet, but it looks feasible:

George Orwell Meets the Matrix - Maureen Farrell at http://BuzzFlash.comPotential military uses for the brain chip, which is partially funded by ... And so, from 2001's HAL to Darth Vader to "chipped" assassins, we’ve had a ... http://www.buzzflash .com/farrell/04/07/far04025.html -

Rauni-Leena Luukanen-Kilde - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaAccording to Kilde, "brain electrodes were inserted into the skulls of babies in ... The microchip can be read by passing "a scanner. . . over the chip. ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rauni-Leena_Luukanen-Kilde -

Rauni-Leena Luukanen-Kilde - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The microchip can be read by passing "a scanner. . . over the chip. ... States to transform unsuspecting individuals into assassins who have no knowledge or ... http://en.wikipedia.o rg/wiki/Microchip_mind_control -

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-10-09   13:13:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#27) (Edited)

ChinaMart doing its part, despite losing the strong sales receipts...

Wal-Mart Dropping Gun Sales in 1,000 Stores Nationwide

The firearms industry trade association’s Bullet Points newsletter noted that although Wal-Mart cited lack of demand in certain markets as the reason for its decision, recent nationwide data show that firearm and accessory sales remain strong. According to the latest statistics from the National Sporting Goods Association, US firearm sales increased by 9%, while hunting gear sales saw the fastest growth of all sporting goods categories, in 2004.

Stats still show that gun sales increase with high-profile shootings...one tough Bolshevik nut to crack...

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2006-10-09   13:16:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Weekend Badeye (#13)

The entire planet is being surgically detached from reality, one fake terror event, one queer politician event, one bullshit ADL claim at a time ... I for one am fucking sick of their shit ! While we remain passive, the shit eating bottom feeders and baby killers aggressively attack us, rob us, murder us and others with impunity.

And today, we recall the fake discovery of America by Columbus. Another fraud like Santa, the tooth-fairy, the easter bunny and "FREEDOM" ... we wouldn't know reality if it clubbed us in the noggin !

"bis pueri senes"

"old men are twice boys"

noone222  posted on  2006-10-09   13:18:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Eoghan (#29)

ChinaMart! Good name for it...had not heard that one before.

Stats still show that gun sales increase with high-profile shootings...one tough Bolshevik nut to crack...

Maybe people are finally waking up and catching on?

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-10-09   13:24:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

"Why would anyone need an AK-47 assault rifle?"

Ask the world why worldwide it is the most popular one in use. You can open the thing and throw sand in he lower receiver and it still works. If you do that to an AR-15 it jams because the machining is done at such a close tolerance.

You can also use 7.62 ammo an M60 machine gun uses, but the U.S. M60 machine gun won't accept Russian spec 7.62 ammo. They are fast to put into action, durable and tolerant of long period without cleaning.

They are ugly, cheap looking, and the finish and detailing horrible. But who cares if it saves your ass if you have to head for the hills because you have gone from voicing your opinion to being a subversive to the government because your opinion differs from the power elite?

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-09   13:25:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Eoghan (#29) (Edited)

FYI...when we went to Dunhams Sporting Goods to get shotgun slugs for the 12 gauge, they wanted our info, drivers license, telephone number etc. When we asked why, being there's no state requirement, they said it was store policy. I faxed a message to the President of Dunhams...with no reply to date.

We'll buy our stuff elsewhere from now on.

angle  posted on  2006-10-09   13:36:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Ferret Mike, Jethro Tull, christine, Zipporah, Diana, rowdee, (#32)

You can also use 7.62 ammo an M60 machine gun uses, but the U.S. M60 machine gun won't accept Russian spec 7.62 ammo. They are fast to put into action, durable and tolerant of long period without cleaning.

First, it's not a question of need, it's a question of rights. _____________________________________________

Perhaps I misread your post?

Did you mean to imply that you can load and fire the NATO cartridge in the AK?

The 7.62X51 NATO cartridge is not interchangeable with the Russian 7.62X39.

The "51" and "39" are the lengths of the cartridge cases in millimeters.

Need I say more?

Even if the two cartridges were roughly interchangeable, it would have to be the other way around, where the shorter cartridge is accommodated by the longer chamber, not vice versa.

But they are not in any way interchangeable. One reason is, both cartridges headspace on the shoulders of the brass, (where the cartridges get wider) and unless the distances from the case heads to the shoulders were identical it would be impossible for the bolt face to meet and support the rims or, impossible to close the bolt on a too long cartridge..

If you need more info just ask, and I'll dig up a comparison chart.

As we Darwinians like to say, "To Hell with Creationism, Gimme your hot, monkey love!"

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-10-09   14:14:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: HOUNDDAWG (#34)

Thanks. I got the weapon -- as I did with most I own -- when I was in the Army, bored with money to burn and should burn off this old ammo I have next time I go to the range as I usually target shoot what I can afford to use. I was going off the top of my head with old info and should know better, as I left the Army in 1990 and it doesn't seem that long ago but it is.

Appreciate the correction. ;-)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-09   14:45:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: HOUNDDAWG (#34)

I have been cleaning this thing this morning now that I feel guilty of neglecting it, and checked on the net for parts. I have a Norinco and I am finding out it's not made anymore (It's made in China) and is allot more valuble then I paid for it. Think I'll hold off putting any more rounds through it until I decide what I am going to do with it.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-09   15:19:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Ferret Mike (#35)

I have so much stuff bouncing around in the brain that sometimes I do the same thing-mix my recollections up-And they come from who knows where...

No shame in that.

You're well trained and served honorably, so we can leave the tech stuff to the armorers and nerds and let you take care of bidness if the Taliban comes a'sneakin' over the back fence.

And after a half hour of skirmishing it'll all come back to you.

As we Darwinians like to say, "To Hell with Creationism, Gimme your hot, monkey love!"

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-10-09   16:59:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Ferret Mike, Jethro Tull, christine, Zipporah, Diana, rowdee, (#37)

They went from 300 bones to a grand after peeps discovered how delightful they are, and that imported ammo was (at that time) affordable enough to stockpile and plink like .22.

The Norinco AK's and SKS rifles are fine tools, and even though they aren't as prized as Ruskie produced arms, they stand on their own reps and no one need ever feel ashamed to show up to a social gathering (i.e. militia muster) with them.

When I first saw a SKS I thought that they're so homely that only a commie's mommy could love them.

But every one I've fired was delightful to shoot, accurate and reliable, and I like them alot now.

As we Darwinians like to say, "To Hell with Creationism, Gimme your hot, monkey love!"

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-10-09   17:22:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: HOUNDDAWG, Ferret Mike (#38)

I don't have any AKs. I'm an AR whore. But I do have a Russian SKS which has served me well. I have a shitpile of Wolf steel case 7.62X39 for the thing.

It's a fun gun that's for sure. Not as accurate as I'd like, but then again, I'm spoiled with some tack driving AR15s. :)

Do I hear a fat lady singing?

Critter  posted on  2006-10-09   19:08:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Critter, Ferret Mike, christine, AngelSpawn (#39)

I don't have any AKs. I'm an AR whore. But I do have a Russian SKS which has served me well. I have a shitpile of Wolf steel case 7.62X39 for the thing.

It's a fun gun that's for sure. Not as accurate as I'd like, but then again, I'm spoiled with some tack driving AR15s. :)

Very good.

I bought a COLT CAR-15 25 years ago in CA, and I was a desert rat back then. That gun was not only accurate but it never once failed to load, fire and eject.

But, the myth endures.... of course it would have locked up had I dumped a handful of sand into it, but, I made a point of never doing that!

So, the comparison between the low maintenance AK (and it's one hundred million copies and numerous variants) and the AR patent rifles isn't really fair. IF an agency takes the time to train their riflemen how to shoot and maintain the AR it serves them well, except at extended ranges where the tiny pill runs out of steam. (It could be chambered in a new 6mm cartridge with the new "smart ammo" and the enemies of corporate America would tell their kids horrible campfire stories about the evil Americans' Bogey gun.)

But, if you sweep a village and conscript every man, woman and child who can tote a piece of iron, give them a few classes on the great words of Chairman Mao, put them in black PJs and send them into the bush, then, reliability under harsh conditions is paramount, and there is really no reason for the weapon to be any more accurate than the poor training requires.

That's my cut on it, and you and Mike may disagree.

As we Darwinians like to say, "To Hell with Creationism, Gimme your hot, monkey love!"

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-10-10   5:21:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Mind_Virus (#0)

Where in the fuck did this retard get an AK-47???

That's the first question I'd be asking. The next question would be to find out as much as possible about this kid's medical history, and WHO HIS FUCKING DOCTORS ARE.

What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2006-10-10   5:51:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Ferret Mike (#16)

Guns can be a hell of a great truth serum. (Yes I do have a concealed weapon's permit.) ;-)

That's fine.

They don't sell you real bullets, do they? ;)

As we Darwinians like to say, "To Hell with Creationism, Gimme your hot, monkey love!"

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-10-10   12:11:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: HOUNDDAWG (#42)

About the time this happened, an informal "family," as they called themselves beat up a large number of people. They would wake up homeless people down there (this is Old Town, the place in Portland and the U.S. the words 'slid row' first came into use) and ask for cannabis or money then beat them up and they called it "charging the homelessness tax."

They beat up people at the Max train stop on SE 1st and were arrested in a felony stop fashion with many police cars while crossing the Burnside Bridge to get to their camp under the I-5 and other highway bridges on the Eastside.

That is just the centerpiece incident for that area that month. People i that area with all the new clubs and thousands upon thousands of homeless people - most of them quite young make where I was working at Saturday Market up there dangerous to be on foot of bicycle, so I went home to Eugene.

I do not like pulling guns out, and I was a hair away from using it as I never unholster unless I do it to shoot. I had said, "wait, take my money," when pulling it out as they were so in my face I wanted to motivate them to allow me to get something from my pocket and not fear a weapon was coming out.

Years earlier I had a guy do a round-house kick to my throat on NW Stark as I was walking to my car. He has waved and said, "Hi!" and went right into the kick. I anchored into a back stance and took the kick and went inside his longer reach and was going to start in on him when three guys with him started in on me.

I was rescued by bouncers from the nearby Bar and pulled inside. It turned out they were guys kicking and fighting people looking harmless as they walked down the street, also on a Friday night.

I saw the guy on Ankeny Street a few months later alone and took off my bicycle messenger helmet cover and red shirt and planted my mountain bike wheel into his crotch at a good speed, probably 15 - 18 MPH.

I admit I can be less then a nice guy if I am pissed off, but I feel leaving a mega sized city was a wise thing to do because sooner or later, you lose.

Eugene is much safer, and having lived here since 1971 minus some years in the Army, I have a network of friends and superior familiarity of this smaller city that I now prefer to Portland.

I have visited my old state of Connecticut and don't want to live back there either. It has gotten much worse since I grew up there and you can have it.

Guns are just a tool and there was nothing glamorous about pulling one out. Dead or screaming blood spurting people make life way too complicated. I am just glad it is so easy to get a concealed permit in Oregon, as some states just do not allow this sort of permit to be issued quite that easily.

I do have a conviction on my record for carrying a conceal S&W model 15 early on when I first got to Oregon and lost it as I was under 21 and had to pay a 50 fine and had one year unsupervised suspended sentence.

I had stuck the gun under the seat as did my friend who had been target shooting at the waste transfer site i the boonies with me to go into the store there in Noti, Oregon.

The cop had asked about the brass in the backseat having snouted around my Pinto suspicious at the two long hairs and had asked where the guns were and I told him. I was promptly arrested and charged with the misdemeanor I speak of.

I plead guilty as I was.

Since then I've kept informed about what's legal with guns and stay in that envelope. I have been stopped for running a red light and as I was on a bike the first thing I always say to a cop walking up to me is what I have on me and where it is and let them grab it.

Cops are testy about someone they stop and don't know who they find out has a gun on them and I don't want any more trouble from them then I have to put up with.

I have other less lethal items I prefer to carry in Eugene if out at night, and it is safe enough here I don't tote very often. Which is why I am back here and not in Portland any longer.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-10   13:44:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Ferret Mike (#43)

Very good.

Several things:

The Model 15 and its stainless steel counterpart the Model 67 were (they're no longer in production) my favorite 4 inch all steel-adjustable rear sight S&W revolvers. My buddy bought a heavy barreled model 13 .357 to carry with .38s and he soon regretted that brick on his hip.

The Model 15 was perfect. No alloy, no extra weight, adj. sight and of course Smiths have the smoothest production double action triggers made. I dropped a ten dollar BULLSEYE spring kit in my Smittys, replacing the mainspring and the trigger rebound spring. I polished the bearing surfaces and Mister, all I ever shot was double action combat style with revolvers and I can hit what I'm shooting at.

My Model 15 was an LAPD service revolver. My friend, Dr. Roy Salls (an archaeologist at the LaBrea Tarpits) was a retired LAPD detective lieutenant and he carried his own weapon the whole time he was on the job, so when he retired he was eligible to buy a company gun for about 90 bux. Because I did some work on his airweight that made him happy, he sold me that new, in the box Model 15 for a C note!

I've been in two shooting situations and I've produced a firearm more than a few times to help ne'er-do-wells and 'scapegallows get right with the Lord.

I learned that in most cases if I convinced them that I would shoot, I wouldn't have to. Hence the importance of training, mental prep and command presence.

Your handling of the situation was reasonable and appropriate.

As we Darwinians like to say, "To Hell with Creationism, Gimme your hot, monkey love!"

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-10-10   14:05:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Ferret Mike (#43)

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Here's my model 19 snubby .357 with Bianchi Lightning grips. It also has a BULLSEYE spring kit installed

As we Darwinians like to say, "To Hell with Creationism, Gimme your hot, monkey love!"

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-10-10   14:10:27 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: HOUNDDAWG (#45)

Nice. My friend I spoke of earlier has one of those real nice 357 magnums, but he hasn't had the same work done on it. He's had the sights modified similar to yours' and has the same barrel length though.

I replaced the Model 15 'combat masterpiece' -- as they are named -- as when I was a crew chief I didn't want to vary from the organizational ammunition type for the issue model 10s of the time for obvious reasons, but if I was going to war, I wanted zeroed sights.

I still have it. It was owned by a police officer originally and has the action improved too, a four inch barrel and grips large enough for my hands which I recently got for it as the ones on it when I got it had problems with them.

I don't ever plan on getting rid of it. S&W products are rugged and machined well. They last, and I've had the best luck with their product and they hold their value.

A little six shot 38 is no where near as glamorous as a model 29, and it doesn't have the stopping or penetration power of other weapons I own, but I like it.

I get good results at the range with it, and actually I got into shooting as a boy because I always had better aim then most people I shot with.

I find when teaching people about small handgun use, fire control and aim are the two things people need the most work on. In fact, anyone I go to the range with who screws up and points a loaded gun unthinkingly at me finds out quickly just how annoying I can be when really upset.

Eugene is very very liberal and I have experienced people getting highly upset with me for merely owning rifles and handguns. I am also amused when anarchist or activist friends speak of insurrection in any form. I always point out that initiating that sort of business when people politically to the right of them are trained and armed in far greater numbers is mud dumb, as they would be more likely be the winners in that sort of brinkmanship, not them.

But of course in those fantasy land ruminations they don't want to listen to that. I guess the truth hurts.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-10-10   14:59:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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