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Title: Opus: MineralMan Bows Out -- a FReeper explains life to the rest of the flock
Source: Cafe Paranoia
URL Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1735580/posts
Published: Nov 9, 2006
Author: MineralMan
Post Date: 2006-11-10 00:03:59 by Ferret Mike
Keywords: None
Views: 3153
Comments: 33

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After 4 years and a little over 23,000 posts on Free Republic, I'm taking my leave, probably permanently. The recent election, and a number of other things makes this a good time to quit posting on political topics and devote my time to pursuits that actually have identifiable results.

I've made a lot of friends, and more than a few enemies here. I've tried, with varying degrees of success, to post in a reasonable way about subjects that interest me. I've had many people post kind words. I've also been called a troll, a liberal, a DUer, and much, much worse. I'm none of those things. I've even had one death threat sent to me via FReepmail, which I dealt with in my own way.

I agree with many people here, and disagree with many more. It's been interesting, to say the least. As a parting post, I have some suggestions for several groups of Freepers. Members of those groups may, or may not , see this post...depending on whether it is left up. Those who see it should take it for whatever they think it's worth.

To Younger Libertarians: 1. Move out of your parents' house. 2. Give up your abortive career as a Linux consultant. 3. Recognize that not everyone has as limited a view of society as you do.

To "Water the Tree of Liberty" Buffs: Nobody's impressed with your bravado. Those who do things don't sit around posting that someone should start a new revolution for years on a web site. You're not going to start any revolution, so quit pretending.

To Creationists: You have won your battle here on Free Republic. All the folks who take a scientific view of the Crevo debate are gone, either voluntarily or involuntarily. There's no further reason for endless threads full of quotations from creationist websites. Just recognize that the theory of evolution is a scientific discipline, not a religious one.

To Religious Zealots: 1. Learn to get along with each other. 2. The Roman Catholic Church is not the Antichrist. 3. Those who claim Christianity and accept Jesus ARE Christians. All of them. 4. Christianity is the religion of less than 1/3 of the world's population. Learn something about the others. Most have similar moral values. 5. Read the book of Matthew frequently.

To All 20-something Freepers: 1. Not all people over 50 are your enemy. 2. Consider joining the military. "Let's you and him fight" is not a suitable slogan. If you think the war in Iraq is a great idea, join up and help. 3. The worth of a person is not based on whether you'd "hit it" or not.

To Freeper "Activists": 1. A successful rally involves more than 10 participants. 2. Freeping worthless online polls is not activism. 3. You want to be a real activist? Join the military.

To 2nd Amendment Zealots: 1. Not everyone needs, or wants, to own a firearm. 2. "Out of my cold dead hands" may be a prophetic, not a practical slogan. 3. Gun porn doesn't entice people to your cause. 4. Threats are rarely a good means of persuasion. 5. If you're under 35 and a non-veteran, join up. The military will supply you with weapons and targets at no charge.

To Terri Schiavo Thread Denizens: Terri is still dead. There are worthwhile battles out there, but they have nothing to do with Terri. Not everything is related to Terri. Visit some other Free Republic threads, please.

To Rabid Bush Supporters: George W. Bush is not a deity. He screws up, sometimes. A slavish dedication to a single politician is not productive.

To Bush Haters: George W. Bush is not Satan.

To Photo Buffs: Not every thread requires a photo of a woman in a swimming suit. Equally, not every thread requires a photo of Helen Thomas. Life's more complicated than that.

To The Language Challenged: Language matters. Spelling matters. Grammar matters. Capitalization matters. Punctuation matters. You may be the smartest person on the planet, but if your posts look like they were written by someone who never got out of elementary school, they won't matter. If you want to make a point, try to make it well. Use the spelling checker. Proofread your posts before clicking the Post button.

To The Don Quixotes at FR: Diana Irey had no chance of winning. Neither did Katherine Harris. Both were lost causes and used up valuable resources. Not everyone who pointed that out to you is an enemy. Alan Keyes is not a viable candidate for anything. Newt Gingrich cannot win the Presidency, nor can Tancredo. Pick winners and work hard for them. Don't waste your time and other resources.

To Jim Robinson: A forum where no dissent is allowed is not a forum. It is just a place where people post. It's your forum. Don't let it disintegrate by eliminating everyone with whom you disagree. I see a real danger here that Free Republic will become more and more insular as time goes by. That will diminish its influence. Still, it's your forum, so what you decide is what it will be.

To All Freepers: Get along. Free Republic, in the four years I have been an active poster here, has fragmented more and more. It has devolved into little groups, each with no tolerance for other groups. I've mentioned some of them above. Free Republic could become a useful forum, if it was not broken up into cliques. This is not High School. It is the real world.

Not everyone who disagrees with you is a liberal. Not everyone who shows up here as a new member came from DU. Not every newby deserves being Zotted.

See you all. It's been interesting. Who knows? I might be back someday.

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#1. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

To Bush Haters: George W. Bush is not Satan.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm................

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-11-10   0:10:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

One idiot babbling to a bunch of other idiots.

"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-11-10   0:54:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: YertleTurtle (#2)

He does articulate well in simple terms not even they understand what is wrong with the picture at Café Paranoia. It struck me as funny to hear the obvious laid out so well yet still he is unable to overcome the sound of silence that is the white noise of the low grade babble of lousy posting done in that forum these days.

Sheldon McMurphy Johnson house Tree sit, Eugene, Oregon

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-10   1:09:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Ferret Mike (#3)

What I can't get over is, the posters that hang in at some of these forums, and just battle away and get their brains beat in.

I stop and lurk at a few forums, and there are quite a few members that would fit right in here, but they just put up with all the garbage at these sites.

Mark

The FBI, rather than trying to prevent a terrorist attack, was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.— Robert Wright - Former FBI agent

"At temperatures above 800º C structural steel loses 90 percent of its strength. Yet even when steel structures are heated to those temperatures, they never disintegrate into piles of rubble, as did the Twin Towers and Building 7."-http://www.911research.net

Kamala  posted on  2006-11-10   6:46:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

I'm sure everyone will miss this politically-correct, pompous ass.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2006-11-10   7:13:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Ferret Mike, all (#0)

Free Republic, in the four years I have been an active poster here, has fragmented more and more. It has devolved into little groups, each with no tolerance for other groups. I've mentioned some of them above. Free Republic could become a useful forum, if it was not broken up into cliques. This is not High School. It is the real world.

It's nice to know that some things never change. If MM were truly a sage, he would have reached the above conclusion in less than 4 years.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-11-10   7:47:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Kamala, christine, Coral Snake, Jethro Tull, who knows what evil, mehitable (#4)

It occurs to me that some people here don't know anything about MineralMan, so I'll take a little bandwidth and explain myself...a little.

I'm a 61 year old married guy with no children, living in Minnesota. I'm a USAF veteran from the late 60s. I'm an atheist, but, as my old FR tagline said, an un-evangelical atheist. I don't care what anyone but me believes and figure they shouldn't care what I believe.

And that's essentially my reason for finally opusing out. The culture at FR, always bizarre, has taken an even uglier turn. Jim Robinson has recently gone way over the top in his declarations regarding religion.

Along with my comments on many threads on FR, where I generally tried to put forward an alternative view on many issues, I commented frequently on threads where evolution was being discussed. As most of you know, there are a bunch of very strange YECcers over there, who represent some of the most intolerant people on the site. Robinson's recent equation of evolutionists and socialists just struck me as way more bizarre than I could handle.

That, and the cliques that make up the bulk of active FR members, finally became too hard for me to tolerate. My private slogan for participation at FR was: "Comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable." It became clear, recently, that it was no longer possible to do that in that venue.

Free Republic is finished. All that remains is for the cliques to destroy what remains. The recent election is the turning point, and will lead to the utter disintegration of that website, as the factions there attack each other.

Oddly, the replies to my opus surprised me. They were mostly positive, and many came from unlikely sources. I guess I generally managed to provoke without being provocative, or something like that.

I'm tired of the effort necessary to post to people who will never change their minds. There are now not enough lurkers at FR to make the effort worthwhile. If you look at the number of views of most posts there, it's clear that there are less than 2000 actual active Freepers left.

The total number of posts per day has dropped precipitously during 2006. Yes, Robinson is still raking in his quarterly goals, but that's it. Nobody else bothers to go there.

I don't believe that Free Republic ever really had any influence on anything more that its little audience. Now that the bulk of lurkers have abandoned the site, there is no reason to ever go there again.

I can't say how much I'll have to contribute here. I'll just have to see what comes up that catches my interest. If I can contribute something I think is worthwhile, I'll sure be happy to.

Thanks again for the warm welcome!

http://www.clownposse.org/colloquy/showthread.php4?t=683

MineralMan, surfaces on Clown Posse ping

Sheldon McMurphy Johnson house Tree sit, Eugene, Oregon

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-13   13:34:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

He's only 3 years late.

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-11-13   13:44:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: YertleTurtle (#2)

One idiot babbling to a bunch of other idiots.

LOL.

the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal bread.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2006-11-13   13:50:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Ferret Mike (#0)

To Bush Haters: George W. Bush is not Satan.

Bush is an immoral lying power hungry pussy of a man who has through his actions, managed to turn what was once decent and good into a despicable place of horror and pain.

All men die. Not all men truly live. Live for something, rather than die for nothing.

angle  posted on  2006-11-13   13:54:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: robin, bluedogtxn, angle (#8) (Edited)

He is, but he has always been the sort to wait until the last possible minute to give as much rope as possible before his target hung him/herself.

I don't really know if he will jive well with the Posse, but it was highly interesting to see him there. If you would, see if his opus is still up or if Free Republic is down. Uday Robinson (John) has my IP marked to note when I am there, and my recent mention that I well could be the one that caused the Fresno Picnic 'Hate group' story with postings to Indymedia and calls to Fresno Human Rights Commission people that caused a ruckus in that city government and Free Republic at DU might have caused him to make sure his server denies me access. I can't get FR at all right now.

Sheldon McMurphy Johnson house Tree sit, Eugene, Oregon

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-13   13:58:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: angle (#10)

As much as I’d like to blame our entrance into the NWO on one man, Bush alone isn’t responsible for the mess we’re in. Our current national state is the result of many people working over the course of decades. Bush is a front man for the real power. That power met with Bush today in the White House to discuss the fate of the Middle East. But I do agree, Bush is a royal SOB.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-11-13   14:01:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Ferret Mike (#3)

We can't find "http://"freerepublic.com".

Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

aristeides  posted on  2006-11-13   14:01:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: robin (#8) (Edited)

"This thread has been pulled."

Pulled on 11/11/2006 4:18:42 PM PST by Admin Moderator, reason:

Anti Freeping.

OK, I got one browser to pull them up.

MineralMan's Opus is toast. But I can't get a generic FR forum screen still.

Sheldon McMurphy Johnson house Tree sit, Eugene, Oregon

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-13   14:04:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Ferret Mike (#14)

Anti Freeping.

They sure are sensitive even to the mildest criticism, aren't they?

Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

aristeides  posted on  2006-11-13   14:10:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Ferret Mike (#14)

pathetic

Most Profound Man in Iraq — An unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

robin  posted on  2006-11-13   14:12:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Ferret Mike (#7) (Edited)

I'm tired of the effort necessary to post to people who will never change their minds.

MM nails it here. The FR forum model, aped by Goldi, is over. Political spats with shills is a time sponge; It takes and takes without any positive feedback.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-11-13   14:16:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Ferret Mike (#7)

Jim Robinson has recently gone way over the top in his declarations regarding religion.

What did he say? Didn't he use to say that he didn't want religious issues discussed on FR?

Katrina was America's Chernobyl.

aristeides  posted on  2006-11-13   14:18:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: aristeides (#18) (Edited)

His posts are still up, I will do some mining for them later tonight if that site is back up. Essentially he came out for Intelligent Design equating evolution as a socialist plot.

I am posting from memory, so if I have it skewed, someone who can correct me is welcome to do so. In any event, look at MineralMan's comments in his Opus, that's what they indicate as well.

Here is a thread I just started at DU:

http://www.democraticun derground.com/discuss/duboard.php? az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2705446&mesg_id=2705446

Sheldon McMurphy Johnson house Tree sit, Eugene, Oregon

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-13   14:31:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Ferret Mike (#3)

He does articulate well in simple terms not even they understand what is wrong with the picture at Café Paranoia.

i thought so too.

This election was a planned step back to take two steps forward.

christine  posted on  2006-11-13   14:31:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Ferret Mike (#7)

hmmmmm..why clownposse? my eyebrows are raised.

This election was a planned step back to take two steps forward.

christine  posted on  2006-11-13   14:34:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Jethro Tull, Kamala (#17)

Political spats with shills is a time sponge; It takes and takes without any positive feedback.

i agree with both of you.

This election was a planned step back to take two steps forward.

christine  posted on  2006-11-13   14:37:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

Bush is a front man for the real power. That power met with Bush today in the White House to discuss the fate of the Middle East.

We are in agreement. Being the front man does not give him a free pass, however.

All men die. Not all men truly live. Live for something, rather than die for nothing.

angle  posted on  2006-11-13   15:23:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: aristeides (#15)

They sure are sensitive even to the mildest criticism, aren't they?

What are you, some kind of anti-FRemite?

"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson

bluegrass  posted on  2006-11-13   15:23:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: bluegrass (#24)

What are you, some kind of anti-FRemite?

ha! good one.

This election was a planned step back to take two steps forward.

christine  posted on  2006-11-13   15:25:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: christine (#25)

Then there's the pernicious anti-DUmites.

"...it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child; it should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children." -Thomas Jefferson

bluegrass  posted on  2006-11-13   15:37:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: bluegrass (#24)

anti-FRemite?

That' a keeper :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-11-13   16:47:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: christine (#21)

"hmmmmm..why clownposse? my eyebrows are raised."

Surprised me too. It shows though how savvy the smart members/former members are in ferreting out stuff on the Internet pertaining to extended community of forums that have at least nominal ties to FR.

Sheldon McMurphy Johnson house Tree sit, Eugene, Oregon

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-11-13   17:59:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jethro Tull, All (#6)

It's nice to know that some things never change. If MM were truly a sage, he would have reached the above conclusion in less than 4 years.

Some of us were ahead of the curve and were saying in 2000 (and earlier) that the two party system was an absolute fraud.

Those of us who were reading The Spotlight (and now American Free Press) knew these things long ago. This is what led me to lean toward Buchanan in the 90s, even though he should have bailed in '92 (with his delegates) and told Bush and Dole to eat shit. After that, I no longer considered myself a Republican, and I told people I knew in 2000 who were so worked up over Dubya that he would be a disaster for this country as would Gore, and the only option was to vote for Buchanan.

Furthermore, I had said, due to my diligence at following what has been transpiring in the national political scene, that it did not matter between the two major party candidates who we had in the White House, we would be getting into a war (openly and aggressively) due to the fiat money system and its need to continually expand. And that is something which we have seen beyond all comprehension.

During Reagan and Bush41 the debt was ratcheted up considerably and much of it was done without proper records being kept, especially during HW Bush. So there was no way to know how many hundreds of billions in Treasury paper was out there and would be coming home to roost. Al Martin put out this information in 2002 or so.

It all comes down to perspective. And all of the posters I have seen who would be derisive of Willis Carto and company I knew had an agenda or were taken in by the propaganda circulating on the net, as was shown by the bots on numerous occasions (and which has also been displayed by others more recently).

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-11-13   18:07:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: BTP Holdings (#29)

HI BTP, we have a remarkable similar political tract. I too remember Buchanan’s primary run against Bush #41, and his remarkable Houston convention speech. Bush #41 bumped up 7points immediately after it, IIRC. Nevertheless he was derided by the then budding neocons. Barbara Bush especially was disgusting. Yes, Buchanan should have launched his 3rd party challenge then and there. His loyalty to the Rs should have woken me up, but I held out hope only because there wasn’t a more qualified candidate on the scene. My last vote was for Buchanan in ’00 when he ran under the Reform banner. And I do mean last vote. I haven’t returned to a voting booth since, nor will I.

Tom Valentine introduced me to The Spotlight in the early 90s. I was an avid shortwave radio listener then. It’s been an eye opener and as you know all the right people despise it.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-11-13   18:54:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Jethro Tull (#30)

I voted for Buchanan in '00 and Constitution Party in '04. I did not vote this time, nor will I until the time comes to vote by other means. ;0)

“The tendency of democracies is, in all things, to mediocrity, since the tastes, knowledge, and principles of the majority form the tribunal of appeal.” James Fenimore Cooper

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-11-13   19:13:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: BTP Holdings (#31)

Again we agree. Better dead than to live in slavery.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-11-13   19:15:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: christine (#21)

Most of the old crowd that caused you so much trouble at ClownPosse is gone. It has basically become what LibertyPost used to be, The first place one goes to after getting banned from Freeperville.

Coral Snake  posted on  2006-11-14   0:44:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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