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Title: Iranians expelled: U.S. irate as Iraq sends detainees home
Source: SF Chronicle
URL Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic ... c/a/2006/12/30/MNGSTNAF0H1.DTL
Published: Dec 30, 2006
Author: Sudarsan Raghavan, Robin Wright
Post Date: 2006-12-31 14:24:09 by scrapper2
Keywords: Iran, Iraq, USA
Views: 225
Comments: 11

(12-30) 04:00 PST Baghdad -- Two senior Iranian operatives, who were detained by U.S. troops in Iraq and were strongly suspected of planning attacks against American military forces and Iraqi targets, were expelled to Iran on Friday, according to U.S. and Iraqi officials.

The decision to free the men was made by the Iraqi government and has angered U.S. military officials, who say the operatives were seeking to foment instability in Baghdad.

"These are really serious people," said one U.S. defense official, speaking on condition of anonymity. "They were the target of a very focused raid based on intelligence, and it would be hard for one to believe that their activities weren't endorsed by the Iranian government. It's a situation that is obviously troubling."

One of the commanders, identified by officials simply as Chizari, was the third-highest-ranking official of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards' al-Quds Brigade, the unit most active in aiding, arming and training groups outside Iran, including Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad, U.S. officials said. The other commander was described as equally significant to Iran's support of foreign militaries, but not as high ranking.

American military forces nabbed the two men in raids last week. Their capture, U.S. officials said, represents the strongest evidence yet that Iran's Shiite theocracy is meddling in Iraq's affairs and strengthening its relationship with the government in Baghdad.

Iraq's Foreign Ministry, in a statement, said it wanted to continue "good relations with its neighbor Iran and hopes that such incidents will not be repeated in the future, which may disturb these relations."

U.S. defense officials familiar with the raids said the captured Iranians had detailed weapons lists, documents pertaining to shipments of weapons into Iraq, organizational charts, telephone records and maps, among other sensitive intelligence information.

"The evidence shows that they were exactly up to the things our suspicions indicated," said one U.S. defense official.

The Iraqi government decided to honor Iran's claims that the two detainees had diplomatic immunity. U.S. officials had argued that although the men had diplomatic passports, they were operating under aliases and therefore did not deserve immunity.

Despite their frustration at the release of the Iranians, U.S. officials said they now had a treasure trove of data from computers and documents and the lists of weaponry recently shipped to Iraq.

"The materials they had will factor into additional planning for operations and will likely be very helpful. But with weapons and advanced IEDs (improvised explosive devices) coming into the country, we've identified a major problem," said a U.S. defense official.

The U.S. military said Friday that three more Marines were killed during fighting in Anbar province, making December -- 106 U.S. deaths as of Friday -- the deadliest month this year for American troops. In October, 105 U.S. service members were killed. Through Thursday, at least 2,139 Iraqis have been killed in war-related or sectarian violence, an average rate of 76 people a day, according to an Associated Press count.

In violence Friday, a suicide bomber killed at least nine people near a Shiite mosque in Baghdad, and 32 tortured bodies were found across the country as Iraqis braced for Saddam Hussein's execution.

American troops killed six people and destroyed a weapons cache in separate raids in Baghdad and northwest of the Iraqi capital, the U.S. military said. One of the raids targeted two buildings in the village of Tharthar, where U.S. troops found 16 pounds of homemade explosives, two large bombs, a rocket-propelled grenade, suicide vests and multiple batteries, the military said.

A suicide bomber wearing an explosives belt detonated himself near a mosque in Khalis, 50 miles north of Baghdad, killing nine people and wounding about a dozen, police said.

Twenty-two bodies showing signs of torture were found dumped on the streets of the Iraqi capital Friday, and 10 more were found in Baquba northeast of Baghdad, police and morgue officials said.

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#1. To: scrapper2 (#0)

Their capture, U.S. officials said, represents the strongest evidence yet that Iran's Shiite theocracy is meddling in Iraq's affairs

The irony of this statement coming from US officials will go right over the head of most Americans.

Capture? So they were undercover "operatives" in hiding- working in the shadows- and "intelligence" lead to their "capture?"

Uh- nope. Not quite. They were effing diplomats and they were not hiding. They were not captured- they were- in total violation of international law- kidnapped.

U.S. defense officials familiar with the raids said the captured Iranians had detailed weapons lists, documents pertaining to shipments of weapons into Iraq, organizational charts, telephone records and maps, among other sensitive intelligence information.

Uh huh. Riiiiight. Not that I doubt Iran is "meddaling" in a country that freaking borders them - that was invaded based on lies- was once used to stage an invasion of their country that lead to the deaths of a million Iranians- that will damn well be used to attack Iran by this or the next American Emporer- but what sort of "spies" have documents and records of weapons shipments on them- while on a mission in a foreign country? None- thats who. This is absurd on its face.

Yeah- Secret agents always travel with lists of weapons and org charts of their networks. Riiiiiight.

Burkeman1  posted on  2006-12-31   15:05:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Burkeman1 (#1)

Interesting too is the fact that the Iraqi gov't officials have kept their silence on a lot of issues - the go along guys so to speak - except for anything that pertains to Iran. It's like an unspoken line in the sand - don't push us on the Iran issue because you won't like the answer.

This was so predictable. I think the neocons cannot believe how they screwed up by removing Saddam. So they need to keep running these "tests" of Iraqi loyalty to Iran vs the USA/Israel to see if the Iraqis will suddenly get on board with them to have Iraq used as a staging post for an attack on Iran. So far the neo/zios are scoring zero on every test.

The neocons tried this a few months ago when Rumsfeld declared they caught some Iranians with bomb makings in their car. And then the Iraqi Minister of Defense undercut Rumsfeld and basically said Rumsfeld was making crap up.

Then there was the Sadr thingie - that the Iraqi PM was supposed to tell Sadr to disband his militias and/or Sadr was supposed be kicked out of the gov't blah, blah Sadr is still doing what he's always been doing. Then the UK shut down the Iraqi police station and the Iraqi gov't officials were royally pissed off and now the Iraqi gov't has forced the USA to free the diplomats.

I hope the neocons finally get the picture. In any kind of war plans these morons may have cooked up in their zio brains, they should finally realize that if they take on Iran, they are also taking on Iraq and the American forces situated in Iraq will be trapped.

Also, I don't think the neocons and Israel can count on the Kurds for very much in the future, after Saddam got whopped in such a hurry. I read an article in a Kurdish newspaper that the Kurds are very annoyed that Saddam did not get a chance to be tried for all the crimes committed against them.

http://www.kurdmedia.com/articles.asp?id=13821

"The execution of Saddam Hussein without judgment on the Anfal Genocide"

The neocons have crossed too many people in their rush to do away with Israel's threats in the region and now the webs of deception are so tangled, they can't count on any groups' "loyalties" except for that of the Tel Aviv junta.

scrapper2  posted on  2006-12-31   15:36:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: scrapper2 (#2)

the Kurds are very annoyed that Saddam did not get a chance to be tried for all the crimes committed against them.

That would have brought out so many of those inconvenient facts that killing Saddam has kept from coming out. The Kurds should have known better than make a deal with the devil.

"It is the old practice of despots to use a part of the people to keep the rest in order; and those who have once got an ascendency and possessed themselves of all the resources of the nation, their revenues and offices, have immense means for retaining their advantages." Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1798

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-12-31   16:07:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: BTP Holdings (#3)

That would have brought out so many of those inconvenient facts that killing Saddam has kept from coming out. The Kurds should have known better than make a deal with the devil.

The Kurds wanted Saddam removed and they needed to have themselves well trained and equipped to defend themselves in the event the liberated federal Iraq dream was comprised of fairy dust. Ergo, the alliance with the USA and Israel - necessity and convenience.

However, the Kurds are survivors - they have been kicked around Asia and the ME for eons and still they are okay - this tells me the Kurds are no one's fool.

IMO, the Iraqi Kurds have been paying close attention to recent events like this summer when the Turks shelled their northern territories and killed and injured some Kurds and though the Kurds protested vehemently to the USA, the DC neocons DID ZERO to help them. The Kurds could not help but notice the different type of reaction the DC neocons and politicians had when Hezbollah captured 2 Israeli soldiers on Lebanese side of the border.

And now this Saddam quick execution thingie that robbed the Kurds of good press coverage and sympathy PR on the world's stage for his monumentally evil gassing of the Kurds and wholesale killing and removal of Kurds from their ancestoral homes due to his Arabization policies, whereas in contrast John Bolton and his zio pals are planning on filing a case in the ICC of crimes against humanity for Iran hosting a measly Holocaust conference, whose attendees were even Jewish rabbis themselves. Say what??? Kurds are feeling like Cinderella these days.

If I were DC neo/zios, I would not count on the Kurds' loyalties when it comes to staging an attack on Iran. I suspect the Kurds are totally and completely pissed right now with the US/Israel love couple and they have been shown in no uncertain terms that three's a crowd. Also, the Kurds don't need anything from the US or Israel now. They have what they want. The Kurds may throw in their lot in with the Iraqi Shiites if push comes to shove about Iran. And why not? The Kurds have a better chance to be allowed an autonomous state within the greater "Iraq federation" dealing with the Shiite Iraqis than dealing with the US ( Turkey) and the Kurds have been pariahs so long that now they have a chance to be considered legitimate Iraqi Muslims so why would they want to take on the black pariah cloud again by being associated with the likes of Israel? If the Kurds were smart ( and they are, I think) they might try to have the Shiite Iraqis broker a deal with Iran to allow the Kurdish Iranians to be re- patriated to Iraqi Kurdistan. [ Keep in mind the the current President of Iraq, Jabal Talabani, took refuge in Iran in the 1980's when the Kurds fought as allies of Iran - there are long standing relationships there.] That way Iran gets rid of its Kurdish "troublemakers" and the Iraqi Kurds gain more warm body Kurds to fill out their fighter ranks in the event the Iraqi and Turkish Sunnis get any bright light ideas in the future to attack Kurdistan. And Iran makes huge points with the Iraqi Kurds with this deal- win-win.

scrapper2  posted on  2006-12-31   16:40:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Burkeman1 (#1)

The irony of this statement coming from US officials will go right over the head of most Americans.

Amen.

Bah, humbug

Lod  posted on  2006-12-31   17:42:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: scrapper2 (#4) (Edited)

The Kurds wanted Saddam removed and they needed to have themselves well trained and equipped to defend themselves in the event the liberated federal Iraq dream was comprised of fairy dust. Ergo, the alliance with the USA and Israel - necessity and convenience.

Of course they did. But the alliance with the U.S. and Israel, something which the Israelis vehemently deny, was fairy dust from the start. And the liberated federal Iraq was never in the plan for the Kurds who want an independent Kurdistan or, at the least, an autonomous region free from interference from Baghdad.

    However, the Kurds are survivors - they have been kicked around Asia and the ME for eons and still they are okay - this tells me the Kurds are no one's fool.

Au contraire, mon amie, the Kurds were fooled badly when they were lead into starting an uprising in an attempt to overthrow Saddam after Gulf War I. The U.S. left them hanging and Saddam kicked their butts again. I guess the Kurds forgot to study the Bay of Pigs.

    IMO, the Iraqi Kurds have been paying close attention to recent events like this summer when the Turks shelled their northern territories and killed and injured some Kurds and though the Kurds protested vehemently to the USA, the DC neocons DID ZERO to help them. The Kurds could not help but notice the different type of reaction the DC neocons and politicians had when Hezbollah captured 2 Israeli soldiers on Lebanese side of the border.

The 2 Israelis were captured before the Kurdish camps in Iraq were shelled by the Turks. The latter event was concurrent with the Israeli attack on Lebanon. Could the Kurds expect anything more than to be ignored when the neocons were pushing the Israelis to attack Syria? Not likely. Fool me once, shame on you...

    Say what??? Kurds are feeling like Cinderella these days.

Fool me twice, shame on me.

    I would not count on the Kurds' loyalties when it comes to staging an attack on Iran. I suspect the Kurds are totally and completely pissed right now with the US/Israel love couple and they have been shown in no uncertain terms that three's a crowd.

The Kurds attacking Iran would be foolishness since the Iranians are just as miffed at the Kurdish shenanigans as are the Turks. The Kurds are and have been used in the past, and will continue to be used. Nothing new here.

    Also, the Kurds don't need anything from the US or Israel now. They have what they want.

Do they? I doubt it. They still are not an independent nation, and never will be under the current geopolitical paradigm.

    The Kurds may throw in their lot in with the Iraqi Shiites if push comes to shove about Iran. And why not? The Kurds have a better chance to be allowed an autonomous state within the greater "Iraq federation" dealing with the Shiite Iraqis than dealing with the US ( Turkey) and the Kurds have been pariahs so long that now they have a chance to be considered legitimate Iraqi Muslims

The Kurds have already been used by the U.S. to attack both Sunnis and Shia in Iraq. They will continue to be pariahs and will never be considered "legitimate Iraqi Muslims," not by either the Sunni or the Shia.

    so why would they want to take on the black pariah cloud again by being associated with the likes of Israel?

Too late, the Kurds already have the onus on them, and the stigma of collaborating with the CIA, the Zionists and Mossad.

    they might try to have the Shiite Iraqis broker a deal with Iran to allow the Kurdish Iranians to be re-patriated to Iraqi Kurdistan.

It would be a cold day in hell before that happens. The Persians would rather eliminate the Kurds from Iranian territory, permanently and NOT strengthen the hand of the Kurds in Iraq or elsewhere. The geopolitics of the region will not currently allow for it.

    [ Keep in mind the the current President of Iraq, Jabal Talabani, took refuge in Iran in the 1980's when the Kurds fought as allies of Iran - there are long standing relationships there.]

Irrelevant at the present time.

    That way Iran gets rid of its Kurdish "troublemakers" and the Iraqi Kurds gain more warm body Kurds to fill out their fighter ranks in the event the Iraqi and Turkish Sunnis get any bright light ideas in the future to attack Kurdistan. And Iran makes huge points with the Iraqi Kurds with this deal- win- win.

This deal is dead on arrival.

The only reason the Turks have not invaded northern Iraq to put the Kurds in their place is because the Zionists told them not to do so. The Turks have too many deals going with the Israelis.

And a Turkish invasion of Iraq would put a crimp in the heroin pipeline. The Kurds, in case you have forgotten, are a part of that pipeline and they deal with the Turks in this instance. One major reason for the Turks to invade the Kurdish areas of Iraq would be to cut the Kurds out of the loop, and reap more profits in the process. It would be one less middleman.

The Iranians want the Kurds to stop fomenting unrest along their border. As I said, the deal is dead on arrival.

Sometimes you just can't help embellishing your comments. Picking them apart is relatively easy most of the time, but too time consuming for me. Happy New Year. Catch ya later. ;0)

"It is the old practice of despots to use a part of the people to keep the rest in order; and those who have once got an ascendency and possessed themselves of all the resources of the nation, their revenues and offices, have immense means for retaining their advantages." Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1798

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-12-31   20:57:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: BTP Holdings (#6)

Sometimes you just can't help embellishing your comments. Picking them apart is relatively easy most of the time, but too time consuming for me. Happy New Year. Catch ya later. ;0)

Don't get over confident. Time will tell whether or not the Kurds have hedged their bets with the Persians.

For starters, Kurdish-Iraqi President Talabani has just brokered a deal with the Iranians for a 1 Billion $ loan guarantee to Iraq which includes the use of Iranian "reconstruction experts and contractors."

The Kurds do not need a separate nation called Kurdistan. All the Kurds need is to have an autonomous Kurdish run state within a federal Iraq. The Shiites probably want the same for their region. Ostensibly Iraq would still be called a federal nation of Iraq but it will have 2 very separate regions - kind of like Quebec is within Canada and which Alberta is hoping for, too. Ditto for the territories within the US.

All the Kurds and Shiites need to do is figure out a way to keep the Sunni Iraqis get happier - like it might be worth it to the former 2 parties to give the Sunnis a cut of the oil action every year as revenues for their own region's budget to run schools and police and roads etc.

Stranger alliances and working "relationships" have evolved with other nations/groups. For example who would have thunk that Assad Jr. of Syria would become an ally of the Persians? P.S. And Happy New Year to you, too!

scrapper2  posted on  2006-12-31   21:47:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Burkeman1 (#1)

Yeah- Secret agents always travel with lists of weapons and org charts of their networks. Riiiiiight.

Why, the only smart secret agents are Israeli... oh, and a few that work for the US. Everyone else is just, you know, dumb enough to get caught like this! And if you ask some idiot on Main Street, USA, that is just about what they would tell you. Of course the story is foolish, but it will be bought, hook line and sinker.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2006-12-31   23:58:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: BTP Holdings, scrapper2 (#6)

Too late, the Kurds already have the onus on them, and the stigma of collaborating with the CIA, the Zionists and Mossad.

Don´t forget the KGB; one of the reasons that the Kurds are universally hated is their growing of dope for the KGB. That was not a relationship that was designed to make friends in that area. Of course, the Kurds have been hated for long before then. If I remember, most of this goes back a 1,000 years or more..... We are confused about hate; we really do not know how to do it right! The people in the middle east and eastern Europe could teach us a lot! IF we wanted to learn about it.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-01-01   0:04:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: richard9151, robin, BTP Holdings (#9)

If I remember, most of this goes back a 1,000 years or more.....

The Kurds are hated because they are like the Iranians - oddballs - not Arabs but Muslim all the same. In the Kurds case, they are not Arab but are Sunni apostates - mystic sufi. Iranians are not Arab and are Shiite, also considered apostate.

I think the Kurds and the Iranians are a good fit for a long lasting alliance. The Iraqi Shiites are Arab but are as one with the Persians.

When Jabal Talabani, a Kurd, was installed as President of Iraq, the following transpired as described by Peter Galbraith:

"The shortest speech was given by the head of the Iranian intelligence service in Erbil, a man known to the Kurds as Agha Panayi. Staring directly at Ms. Bodine [American Embassy rep.], he said simply, "This is a great day. Throughout Iraq, the people we supported are in power." He did not add "Thank you, George Bush." The unstated was understood..."

http://www.thed ailystar.net/magazine/2005/09/01/inter.htm

scrapper2  posted on  2007-01-01   0:30:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: All (#10)

I should add that the Persians and Kurds and Indians all trace their roots to being Indo-European - and Aryan at that.

The CIA predicted that India will be a rising star 10 years hence ( along with China and Brazil?).

India has technology but no oil resources and its historic "blood brothers" have oil but not the other...

scrapper2  posted on  2007-01-01   1:10:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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