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Title: Depleted U - An impromptu interview w/ a Career Tank Specialist
Source: me
URL Source: http://none.com
Published: Apr 27, 2005
Author: Tom007
Post Date: 2005-04-27 22:07:28 by tom007
Keywords: Specialist, impromptu, interview
Views: 2790
Comments: 488

Had an intesting conversation with a man I have known for about 5 months. He delivers to my store, handles alot of cash and is a "straight up" kind of guy. I like him, and I am sure his employer does as well. A steady Eddie man, the kind that makes the country run.

We somehow got talking about the ME, and he mentioned he had been to Egypt, and really did not care for any of it. I asked him how it was that he found himself in the ME and he said he was in the service of the military.

Naturally I wanted to know in what type of service he was in. Well, he was drafted into 'Nam, and did twentyfour years, and tanks were his thing. He started out in a tank designation I did not know of. I know a little about M1A1' and wanted to know some things about them, and the man was very evidently the real deal, no swagger, no he man stories etc. He is who he claims.

After some talk of tactics, guns, how to disable an M1A1, exploding armor, all of which he had the knolwedge of a solider who had spent many years with this type of equipment. He was pretty high up in the system.

Then I asked him about DU. Well turns out he was one of the men on the ground testing it at Aburdeen Proving grounds, shooting various things, like mounds of earth, then digging into it to estimate the ballistics, etc.

Did this many time, and my friend related that one time a DU projectile fragmented into the mound of earth. They were to go dig all the pieces of the remenents out. As he tells me, there was a hole that one of the fragments had made, and as they were poking around, a field mouse was scared up and scampered into that hole made by a fragment.

He just sat back and waited for it to come out-; it didn't. After a few minutes, he saw that it was dead.

He went and got the General of the testing operation, and showed him what he had discovered. The General and his men looked at the situation and told all the testers to go away. For three weeks the site was closed, except to the investigators.

Three weeks later, the investigation was complete. The report said the mouse died of "starvation". My friend looked at me, eye to eye, and laughed. "That mouse damn sure didn't die of starvation", he said emphatically.

He said when the DU rounds hit a tank, he could "see a mushroom cloud", formed (Note, alot of high intensity heat will form a mushroom cloud event).

He said "if you take a giger counter into one of the tanks with DU munitions it will beep like crazy". He said that the explosiom of a DU round into steel was" basically a miniature explosion of a nuclear bomb".

He said they would put goats in the test tanks, and around them. He stated that " for twentyfive meters around the tank, hit by a DU round, all the goats would be dead, ten meters, mangled, turned inside out".

He believed DU dust to be alot more dangerous than the military was allowing.

This man is much more creadible, to me, much more, than the talking hairdoo's reading spin points from the Pentagon.

Draw your own conclusions, this is what I heard today, from a man with incontrovertable creadibility with me. He was there.

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#258. To: Dakmar (#251)

"It's not tobacco's tar which kills, but the radiation!"

And the radiation in cigarettes comes from a pesticide that it used on the tobacco, not the tobacco itself.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-04-28   23:31:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#259. To: Axenolith (#252)

I shit you not, Crack,

lol...hey, do beer breath fumes chelate...i don't like to drink beer, but...i love to kiss a man with beer breath.

christine  posted on  2005-04-28   23:31:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#260. To: tom007 (#254)

"Attorney Amos Hausner, son of the prosecutor who sent Nazi Adolf Eichmann to the gallows, is using these memos as evidence to fight the biggest lawsuit in Israel's history, to make one Israeli and six US tobacco companies pay up to $8 billion for allegedly poisoning Israelis with radioactive cigarettes."

"Radioactive" cigarettes cited in Israeli lawsuit

Dakmar  posted on  2005-04-28   23:32:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#261. To: Dakmar (#260)

Ya can't make it up on a good day.

tom007  posted on  2005-04-28   23:34:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#262. To: tom007, ALL (#0)

Explaining How Depleted Uranium
Is Killing Civilians, Soldiers, Land

Nano-particles pinpointed

By Christopher Bollyn
January 7, 2004, American Free Press

Depleted uranium weapons, and the untold misery they wreak on mankind, are taboo subjects in the mainstream media. This exclusive report should break the media embargo imposed on the American people.

Despite being a grossly under-reported subject in the mainstream, there is intense public interest in depleted uranium (DU) and the damage it inflicts on humankind and the environment.

While American Free Press is actively investigating DU weapons and how they contribute to Gulf War Syndrome, the corporate-controlled press ignores the illegal use of DU and its long-lasting effects on the health of veterans and the public.

In August 2004 American Free Press published a ground-breaking four- part series on DU weapons and the long-term health risks they pose to soldiers and civilians alike. Information provided to AFP by experts and scientists, some of it published for the first time in this paper, has increased public awareness of how exposure to small particles of DU can severely affect human health.

Leuren Moret, a Berkeley-based geo-scientist with expertise in atmospheric dust, corresponds with AFP on DU issues. Recently Moret provided a copy of her letters to a British radiation biologist, Dr. Chris Busby, about how nanometer size particles — less than one-tenth of a micron and smaller — of DU once inhaled or absorbed into the body, can cause long-term damage to one’s health.

Busby is one of the founders of Green Audit, a British organization that monitors companies “whose activities might threaten the environment and health of citizens.”

Moret’s writings were meant to assist Busby in a legal case being heard in the High Court in London where a former defense worker, Richard David, 49, is suing Normal Air Garrett, Ltd., an aircraft parts company now owned by Honeywell Aerospace, claiming exposure to DU on the job has made his life a “living hell.”

David worked as a component fitter on fighter planes and bombers but had to quit due to health problems. He says he developed a cough within weeks of starting work.

Today, David suffers from a variety of symptoms like those known as Gulf War Syndrome, including respiratory and kidney problems, bowel conditions and painful joints. Medical tests reveal mutations to his DNA and damage to his chromosomes, which, he says, could only have been caused by ionizing radiation. He has also been diagnosed with a terminal lung condition.

Honeywell denies DU was ever used at the plant in Yeovil, Somerset, where David worked for 10 years until 1995. David claims that DU’s existence at the plant was denied because it is an official secret.

David has asked the High Court for more time to gather evidence. The hearing is due to resume in April. “I don’t have any legal representation,” David said, “so I am representing myself. It is a real David versus Goliath case.

“I am confident I will win. I hope to set a precedent for other cases of people who have suffered from the effects of depleted uranium,” he said.

Moret’s letters on the particle effect of DU is based on research done by Marion Fulk, a nuclear physical chemist and former scientist with the Manhattan Project and the National Laboratory at Livermore, Calif. Fulk, who has developed a “particle theory” about how DU nano-particles affect human DNA, donates his time and expertise to help bring information about DU to the public.

Asked about Fulk’s particle theory, Busby said it is “quite sound.”

“DU is much more dangerous than they say,” Busby added. “I’ve always said that it contributes significantly to Gulf War Syndrome.”

When Moret’s correspondence to Dr. Busby was posted on the Internet over the New Year’s holiday under the title “How Depleted Uranium Weapons Are Killing Our Troops,” some 6,000 people read the letter in the first two days. The following Monday, a producer from BBC’s Panorama program contacted Moret to arrange an interview.

If the BBC follows up with an investigation on the health effects of DU, it may be hard for the U.S. media to maintain their cover-up. More than 500,000 “Gulf War Era” vets currently receive disability compensation, many of them for a variety of symptoms generally referred to as Gulf War Syndrome. Experts blame DU for many of these symptoms.

“The numbers are overwhelming, but the potential horrors only get worse,” Robert C. Koehler of the Chicago-based Tribune Media Services wrote in an article about DU weapons entitled “Silent Genocide.”

“DU dust does more than wreak havoc on the immune systems of those who breathe it or touch it; the substance also alters one’s genetic code,” Koehler wrote. “The Pentagon’s response to such charges is denial, denial, denial. And the American media is its moral co-conspirator.”

U.S. GOVERNMENT KNOWS

The U.S. government has known for at least 20 years that DU weapons produce clouds of poison gas on impact. These clouds of aerosolized DU are laden with billions of toxic sub-micron sized particles. A 1984 Department of Energy conference on nuclear airborne waste reported that tests of DU anti-tank missiles showed that at least 31 percent of the mass of a DU penetrator is converted to nano-particles on impact. In larger bombs the percentage of aerosolized DU increases to nearly 100 percent, Fulk told AFP.

DU is harmful in three ways, according to Fulk: “Chemical toxicity, radiological toxicity and particle toxicity.”

Particles in the nano-meter (one billionth of a meter) range are a “new breed of cat,” Moret wrote. Because the size of the nano-particles allows them to pass freely throughout the organism and into the nucleus of its cells, exposure to nano-particles causes different symptoms than exposure to larger particles of the same substance.

Internalized DU particles, Fulk said, act as “a non-specific catalyst” in both “nuclear and non-nuclear” ways. This means that the uranium particle can affect human DNA and RNA because of both its chemical and radiological properties. This is why internalized DU particles cause “many, many diseases,” Fulk said.

Asked if this is how DU causes severe birth defects, Fulk said, “Yes.”

MILITARY AWARE

The military is aware of DU’s harmful effects on the human genetic code. A 2001 study of DU’s effect on DNA done by Dr. Alexandra C. Miller for the Armed Forces Radiobiology Research Institute in Bethesda, Md., indicates that DU’s chemical instability causes 1 million times more genetic damage than would be expected from its radiation effect alone, Moret wrote.

Dr. Miller requested that questions be sent in writing and copied to a military spokesman. She did tell AFP that it should be noted that her studies showing that DU is “neoplastically transforming and genotoxic” are based on in vitro cellular research.

Studies have shown that inhaled nano-particles are far more toxic than micro- sized particles of the same basic chemical composition. British toxicopathologist Vyvyan Howard has reported that the increased toxicity of the nano-particle is due to its size.

For example, when mice were exposed to virus-size particles of Teflon (0.13 microns) in a University of Rochester study, there were no ill effects. But when mice were exposed to nano-particles of Teflon for 15 minutes, nearly all the mice died within 4 hours.

“Exposure pathways for depleted uranium can be through the skin, by inhalation, and ingestion,” Moret wrote. “Nano-particles have high mobility and can easily enter the body. Inhalation of nano-particles of depleted uranium is the most hazardous exposure, because the particles pass through the lung-blood barrier directly into the blood.

“When inhaled through the nose, nano-particles can cross the olfactory bulb directly into the brain through the blood brain barrier, where they migrate all through the brain,” she wrote. “Many Gulf era soldiers exposed to depleted uranium have been diagnosed with brain tumors, brain damage and impaired thought processes. Uranium can interfere with the mitochondria, which provide energy for the nerve processes, and transmittal of the nerve signal across synapses in the brain.

“Damage to the mitochondria, which provide all energy to the cells and nerves, can cause chronic fatigue syndrome, Lou Gehrig’s disease, Parkinson’s disease and Hodgkin’s disease.”

Eternal Vigilance

BTP Holdings  posted on  2005-04-28   23:46:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#263. To: BTP Holdings (#262)

Don't worry, though. Kyle assures us that it is not a hazard.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-04-28   23:51:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#264. To: Aric2000 (#232)

You have not replied to the postings of the articles by scientists on this subject. Perhaps you should write them letters telling them how wrong they are.

robin  posted on  2005-04-29   0:01:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#265. To: crack monkey (#55)

I would like to know what the uranium shells accomplish that can't be accomplished with normal ammo?

Tungsten has been used since the second world war as a penetrator, it's a little less dense and I don't think it has the pyrophoric properties. It's as toxic, or more so, than DU in a finely divided state and it's what everyone else in the world uses...

Axenolith  posted on  2005-04-29   0:08:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#266. To: Axenolith (#265)

Tungsten has been used since the second world war as a penetrator, it's a little less dense and I don't think it has the pyrophoric properties. It's as toxic, or more so, than DU in a finely divided state and it's what everyone else in the world uses...

But they're not fighting armor over there. Why do they need to use large quantities of armor piercing shells?

crack monkey  posted on  2005-04-29   0:11:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#267. To: BTP Holdings (#262)

bah..doncha know everyone other than kyle and aric are ignorant kooks?

christine  posted on  2005-04-29   0:12:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#268. To: Axenolith (#265)

Tungsten has been used since the second world war as a penetrator

I am going from memory here -- It's abundent only in Russia. The US does not want to have a major munitions supply being dependent on a potentially hostile entity.

Tungsten works great, but it is not in our power.

tom007  posted on  2005-04-29   0:14:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#269. To: Jhoffa_ (#77)

I agree with Kyle. Under certain cnditions, AIR may indeed be harmful.

Regardless however, it does nothing to prove DU is not.

If you read the link, they seem to be concerned aith fine particulates. They're a "radiation hazzard" Explosive and may be toxic, especially to the Kidney.

I missed anyone saying is was not harmful. It's the degree of risk, otherwise we'd all be screwed seeing's as how there's about an average of 4 tons of uranium in the top 1 foot of every square mile of soil on the planet...

Axenolith  posted on  2005-04-29   0:24:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#270. To: christine (#101)

"Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy." ~ Henry Kissinger ~ January-February 2003 edition of Eagle Newsletter

Criminy! 2003?!?! When is that old bag of shit gonna die?!?!

Axenolith  posted on  2005-04-29   0:31:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#271. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut, Kyle (#263)

Don't worry, though. Kyle assures us that it is not a hazard.

Hey Kyle, go to Fallujah and breathe deeply during a dust storm. Then we can watch as your lungs glow in the dark. ;^)

BTP Holdings  posted on  2005-04-29   0:35:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#272. To: tom007 (#247)

We will know ten years from now, in any event. It may be that the real culprit of the awful conditions being experienced by the GW1 vets is a toxic brew of insect vectored parasites, alond with the experimental vaccines given the the soldiers, and a bit of DU in the lungs. Stir and let sit in the sun for a few years, and see what developes.

You have probebly hit the nail squarely upon the head...

Axenolith  posted on  2005-04-29   0:44:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#273. To: crack monkey (#249)

According to this, (Blurb on natural exposures) you get about 16,000 mrem per year from smoking as opposed to ~360 from normal exposures...

Axenolith  posted on  2005-04-29   0:47:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#274. To: robin (#264)

You have not replied to the postings of the articles by scientists on this subject. Perhaps you should write them letters telling them how wrong they are.

And why should I?

This is the same thing as Global warming.

There are thousands of scientists that say we are ALL GOING TO DIE, but there are hundreds that say, NO, we're NOT, because Global warming is NOT happening because of manmade reasons. It is a NATURAL occurence, and will happen, NO MATTER what we do, others say the whole thing is BULLSHIT, and it is nothing more then a boogeyman to scare the misinformed.

The DU thing is the same thing, Natural uranium will NOT hurt you in the short term, it's radiation level is TOO low, Depleted Uranium has about HALF of that radiation, it will NOT hurt you in any way shape or form via radiation, it is NOT radioactive enough to do a damned thing.

It is a HEAVY metal, so, just like lead, there are some Toxic effects from ingesting it, although, UNLIKE lead, DU passes through the body rather quickly, and will not be absorbed and do major physiological damage.

I can repeat these FACTS, until I am BLUE in the face, but because you wish it to be harmful, you will believe that it is, NO matter what I tell you.

So, again, why should I respond to a bunch of scaremongering, the sky is falling bullshit?

Aric2000  posted on  2005-04-29   0:48:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#275. To: Dakmar (#253)

ARF!

Probably the alcohol. Worked with an engineer who told me about the chelation value of good beer, and had the blood tests to support it after coming up positive for chrome exposure after a big plating shop job we did at a Naval facility. He just drank one or two an evening and retested ( I forget the time factor but it was a month or two at most) to normal levels afterwards.

Axenolith  posted on  2005-04-29   0:52:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#276. To: Aric2000 (#274)

This is the same thing as Global warming.

Not Quite. PING to #262.

This is all very well founded in research. Read it and perhaps you will change your mind.

BTP Holdings  posted on  2005-04-29   0:53:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#277. To: tom007 (#255)

From here on, you are DR.Axenolith!!, MD. Nah, just registered PG ;-)

Axenolith  posted on  2005-04-29   0:55:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#278. To: SKYDRIFTER (#262)

PING!

BTP Holdings  posted on  2005-04-29   0:55:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#279. To: christine (#259)

If it's the alcohol, wine is probably just as good.

Liquor is antidotal to glycol poisoning BTW...

Axenolith  posted on  2005-04-29   0:57:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#280. To: Axenolith (#279)

Liquor is antidotal to glycol poisoning BTW...

OMG, I just accidently drank a quart of antifreeze!!! What should I do???.

O well, Ok some warm Schafer lite, with rat droppings on the top of the cans, that's the antidote!

Thanks Dr Anenolith!

(saved my life, once again)

tom007  posted on  2005-04-29   1:10:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#281. To: tom007 (#268)

Pine Creek, Strawberry, Tungsten Hills, et. al. are all mines in California shut down primarily due to cheaper sources, mainly China dumping the concentrate on the US market at ridiculously low prices in the late 80's-90's. You could have bought the Strawberry (and I tried to figure out some way I could afford it because it was a kick ass property and an insanely good hedge in case of trouble with China) for ~$800,000, owner financed a couple of years ago. Way cool place and it was all practically new (1980's).

Shot of Pine Creek Mine

What's really neat about the Pine Creek and some of the other Skarn deposit mines is that the shafts go up .

Axenolith  posted on  2005-04-29   1:13:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#282. To: tom007 (#280)

If you drank a quart of antifreeze you'd better hit the JD...

Axenolith  posted on  2005-04-29   1:18:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#283. To: Kyle, Aric2000 (#262)

PING!

Don't say I never gave you anything. Here is the gift of REAL knowlegde.

BTP Holdings  posted on  2005-04-29   1:21:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#284. To: BTP Holdings (#276)

Oh please, get a better grip, your grip on reality is SLIPPING......

Aric2000  posted on  2005-04-29   1:22:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#285. To: Kyle (#63)

You haven't figured out that radioactive U-238 is radioactive - what "facts" are you trying to refer to - fool?

(God, but you're stupid Kyle!.) {Still won't commit to your gender, eh?}

The FACT is that the Afghan & Iraq invasions were War Crimes. Where do you stand on those "facts?"

You're an idiot, Kyle!


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2005-04-29   1:24:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#286. To: Aric2000 (#284)

Oh please, get a better grip, your grip on reality is SLIPPING......

Not me, buddy boy.

BTP Holdings  posted on  2005-04-29   1:30:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#287. To: Aric2000 (#284)

You're in denial. Look in the mirror.

BTP Holdings  posted on  2005-04-29   1:30:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#288. To: BTP Holdings (#286)

ANY heavy metal in Nano as they put it, will sicken a person, Lead will do this, tungsten will do this, ANY heavy metal will do it.

DU happens to be the densest material for projectiles etc, therefore we use it.

If it sickens someone because of the Nano, as they put it, then it is because they breathed in the nanoparticles due to war.

After impact, DU does NOT become MORE readioactive, it does NOT create birth defects etc.

It is QUITE impossible....

Yes, it may sicken a person, but ANY heavy metal will do the same.

So to say that DU is the boogeyman, is ridiculous in the extreme.

Shit, breathing in paint fumes will sicken you far more and far faster then DU ever will, and the chances of breating in paint fumes is MUCH greater then ever getting the chance of breathing in nanoparticles of DU, or any other heavy metal.

Aric2000  posted on  2005-04-29   1:40:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#289. To: Kyle, crack monkey (#64)

Kyle, you're still an idiot!


Yes, there is a soluable form of DU, which can be readily excreted - then, there's a ceramic dust version - that hangs around.

DU’s radioactivity is in the form of Alpha particles. Alpha particles are described by the military as the ‘weakest’ form of radiation, they can be stopped by skin. However, when aerosolized into ceramic dust they are easily inhaled and can stay in the lungs for years, irradiating lung tissues causing emphysema or fibrosis. In addition to being inhaled, DU dust can settle on plants where it can be eaten and on open wounds, common in a war zone, where there is no skin to block the alpha radiation from irradiating soft body tissues. In the USA particles of DU have been found in the filters of air- conditioning units over 20 miles from any known source.

In addition to its radioactivity, Depleted Uranium is also chemically toxic as a heavy metal. DU dissolves in water. This heavy metal toxicity can be absorbed byplants and pollute ground water reserves. DU ends up in the kidneys and gastro intestinal tract causing a host of illnesses in a similar way to lead poisoning.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2005-04-29   1:41:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#290. To: SKYDRIFTER (#285)

Excuse me Sky, but DU is as radioactive as the earth itself, gamma and beta particles are an EVERYday thing, you are bombarded with these particles EVERY FRICKING DAY.

Are you dying Sky, have those radioactive particles sickened you?

Please, quit attacking Kyle for telling you the truth, you may NOT like the truth, but it is STILL THE TRUTH.

DU is HALF as radioactive as NATURAL Uranium, in other word Uranium that sits around on the surface and in mines. It is NOT deadly, only when it is concentrated and purified does it become dangerous, and the MORE pure DU is the LESS radioactive it becomes....

Aric2000  posted on  2005-04-29   1:43:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#291. To: Kyle (#66)

Kyle, the "U" metals are variants of each other. Some are fisionable - U235 & 239 - some are not; U-238. It all goes to atomic chemistry, as the numbers imply.

You don't know shit about chemistry, either. Yes, they are considered seperate elements; that's moot.

When it comes to Uranium, "half-Life is a radioactivity measure! You dumb shit!


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2005-04-29   1:48:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#292. To: Axenolith (#282)

If you drank a quart of antifreeze you'd better hit the JD...

Hah, Doctors orders!!

tom007  posted on  2005-04-29   1:58:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#293. To: Aric2000, crack monkey, Kyle, Christine (#290)

DU is HALF as radioactive as NATURAL Uranium,

Aric, you're dumb as a rock, as well! (Or, are you just doing disinformation?)

U-238 is the most common form of Uranium - it's "natural!" Given mined Uranium ore, U-235 has to be processed out, as it's in radically smaller proportion.

Yes, DU is 40% LESS radioactive than the common in-the-dirt variant. Yes, that's why it's called "depleted." It's still radioactive - and toxic. It still has a radioactive "half-life." Yes, God will one day see it turn to lead.

Until that day, it's still radioactive, still emitting dangerous alpha particles, and it's still a heavy-metal toxin to the body. Inhaled DU dust has a high probability of staying in the lungs, poisoning the hell out of the body. If the lungs were to be so lucky as to only inhale the soluable variant, you might not have any appreciable affects. If the ceramic variant is inhaled; different story. How lucky do you think one can get, when dealing with weaponized DU?

There's the rub, no one in "power" wants to know the answer; our Veterans are lab-rats. Check the statistics on "Gulf War Syndrome."


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2005-04-29   2:07:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#294. To: Aric2000 (#290)

you may NOT like the truth, but it is STILL THE TRUTH.

Why do you count yourself among the legions of professional disinformationalists that fight tooth and nail to pimp the patently untrue?

What do you get out of it? Warm fuzzies?

Dude Lebowski  posted on  2005-04-29   2:13:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#295. To: SKYDRIFTER (#293)

Then why aren't you bitching about all the above ground Nuke testing in the 40's & 50's also

Despot of the Delta  posted on  2005-04-29   2:40:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#296. To: SKYDRIFTER (#291)

t all goes to atomic chemistry, as the numbers imply.

You don't know shit about chemistry, either. Yes, they are considered seperate elements; that's moot.

Maybe atomic physics, not chemistry...

And they aren't "separate elements", they're isotopes and there's 14 (92U227 to 92U240) of them + an upper state isomer of 92U235...

Axenolith  posted on  2005-04-29   2:49:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#297. To: Kyle (#69)

I'll call you what I wish to call you, you malignant, traitorous, republican asshole.

Your so-called education didn't enable you to understand this:

"I don't believe you. It is very clear from your many posts on LP, and your posts here, that you have read plenty of propaganda, talking points, etc., from your administration. So there is no reason to suppose that you did not read about this subject."

In sum, I said I don't believe you, and I said why. But if that's not enough for you, then I will tell you that after reading your posts here and on LP, I conclude that you are a LIAR. You have, or think you have, some stake in the Bush administration, and as a result you jump through hoops like a trained monkey to defend it. Your bias is legendary here and on LP. That's why you are considered a LIAR.

We're not all that impressed with your so-called education. Is that what they call brainwashing nowadays--"education"? Because your main attribute is that you seem to be entirely brainwashed. Brainwashing = education, in your Orwellian Bushworld. Why not? To Bushistas like yourself, was is peace, freedom is slavery.

AS IF others here were not educated. We are.

You are irrational: you cling to your bias without even considering the mountains of evidence to the contrary which people here have wasted good hours putting before you.

This is inevitable. Everytime we post the truth and it conflicts with the pre- packaged administration propaganda on these boards, we are immediately labeled as "conspiracy theorists". That is a lame comeback - You can't support your position so you try to label us "conspiracy theorists".

You're not important enough to be part of any "conspiracy". You are just another "good German" who refuses to believe that evil is in power in our country. I doubt you care about dead Iraqi or Afghan civilians, so I will simply reiterate that the blood of over 1500 Americans is on your complicit hands, murderer. At the moment when you finally expire, remember that you sold out your own fellow Americans for the financial gain which you imagine you are getting from this fraudulent administration.

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-04-29   7:14:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#298. To: Kyle (#71)

your looney

Your extreme bias is showing. Experts who disagree with the shit you're peddling are "loonies". You can't see your own mental illness: rigidity, refusal to listen to reason, extreme bias. You're like a Moonie. Makes sense; the Moonies are good friends of your administration.

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-04-29   7:17:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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