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Title: Depleted U - An impromptu interview w/ a Career Tank Specialist
Source: me
URL Source: http://none.com
Published: Apr 27, 2005
Author: Tom007
Post Date: 2005-04-27 22:07:28 by tom007
Keywords: Specialist, impromptu, interview
Views: 2736
Comments: 488

Had an intesting conversation with a man I have known for about 5 months. He delivers to my store, handles alot of cash and is a "straight up" kind of guy. I like him, and I am sure his employer does as well. A steady Eddie man, the kind that makes the country run.

We somehow got talking about the ME, and he mentioned he had been to Egypt, and really did not care for any of it. I asked him how it was that he found himself in the ME and he said he was in the service of the military.

Naturally I wanted to know in what type of service he was in. Well, he was drafted into 'Nam, and did twentyfour years, and tanks were his thing. He started out in a tank designation I did not know of. I know a little about M1A1' and wanted to know some things about them, and the man was very evidently the real deal, no swagger, no he man stories etc. He is who he claims.

After some talk of tactics, guns, how to disable an M1A1, exploding armor, all of which he had the knolwedge of a solider who had spent many years with this type of equipment. He was pretty high up in the system.

Then I asked him about DU. Well turns out he was one of the men on the ground testing it at Aburdeen Proving grounds, shooting various things, like mounds of earth, then digging into it to estimate the ballistics, etc.

Did this many time, and my friend related that one time a DU projectile fragmented into the mound of earth. They were to go dig all the pieces of the remenents out. As he tells me, there was a hole that one of the fragments had made, and as they were poking around, a field mouse was scared up and scampered into that hole made by a fragment.

He just sat back and waited for it to come out-; it didn't. After a few minutes, he saw that it was dead.

He went and got the General of the testing operation, and showed him what he had discovered. The General and his men looked at the situation and told all the testers to go away. For three weeks the site was closed, except to the investigators.

Three weeks later, the investigation was complete. The report said the mouse died of "starvation". My friend looked at me, eye to eye, and laughed. "That mouse damn sure didn't die of starvation", he said emphatically.

He said when the DU rounds hit a tank, he could "see a mushroom cloud", formed (Note, alot of high intensity heat will form a mushroom cloud event).

He said "if you take a giger counter into one of the tanks with DU munitions it will beep like crazy". He said that the explosiom of a DU round into steel was" basically a miniature explosion of a nuclear bomb".

He said they would put goats in the test tanks, and around them. He stated that " for twentyfive meters around the tank, hit by a DU round, all the goats would be dead, ten meters, mangled, turned inside out".

He believed DU dust to be alot more dangerous than the military was allowing.

This man is much more creadible, to me, much more, than the talking hairdoo's reading spin points from the Pentagon.

Draw your own conclusions, this is what I heard today, from a man with incontrovertable creadibility with me. He was there.

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#8. To: tom007 (#0)

My best guess is that the DU dust is physically toxic metal, similar to inhaling cyanide dust. It's not that much to do with the radiation.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2005-04-28   1:53:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: SKYDRIFTER (#8)

The basic gist of this is...

Lead used as a projectile is JUST as big a deal as DU being used as a projectile.

The only reason that DU is such a big deal, is because it has Uranium in the name, and they can create a huge public problem with it.

It is just as dangerous as lead is, BUT, that is it....

SO, if you are going to freak out about DU, then you had better freak out about lead as well, otherwise, forget about it.....

Aric2000  posted on  2005-04-28   2:17:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Aric2000 (#10)

The only reason that DU is such a big deal, is because it has Uranium in the name, and they can create a huge public problem with it.

It is just as dangerous as lead is, BUT, that is it....

SO, if you are going to freak out about DU, then you had better freak out about lead as well, otherwise, forget about it.....

On this you are SO wrong.. why not defer to an expert like Dr. Doug Rokke rather than just reguritating the official BS?

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-28   9:09:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Zipporah (#12)

Zipporah, I am NOT wrong.

DU has HALF the radioactivity of NATURAL Uranium, in other words very low, natural uranium is NOT toxic, except when swallowed, and again, ONLY because it is a heavy metal.

So please, get a grip on reality, DU is as dangerous as lead, PERIOD, end of story, it is just as dangerous as ANY OTHER heavy metal, the radioactivity is so far below TOXIC levels that it is NOT even worth discussing.

So, PLEASE, quit with the propaganda crap and listen to science, and COMMON SENSE!!!

Aric2000  posted on  2005-04-28   10:48:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Aric2000 (#22)

like I said, medical doctors and scientists hired by the US Army, hired by the VA, hired by the UN, hired by UN associated NGOs, and others working for private charities have investigated this stuff and found it to be extremely harmful.

They use this DU material to make nuclear bombs. But it is not radioactive, and it is not dangerous you say.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-04-28   10:53:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Red Jones (#25)

They use this DU material to make nuclear bombs. But it is not radioactive, and it is not dangerous you say.

ROFLMAO!!!

Oh please!! Get a grip on reality, if you used DU in a nuclear weapon it would NOT go off, DU is NOT a fissile material.

No matter what you did to DU, it could NEVER, EVER explode in a nuclear reaction, NEVER. It is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

It would be just like using LEAD as the fissile material.

You're NUTS, totally and absolutely NUTS.

DU used in nuclear weapons.....ROFLMAO!!!

Aric2000  posted on  2005-04-28   11:03:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Aric2000 (#27)

DU is a by-product of the process that is used to create the material that is used in nuclear weapons. and the majority of the radioactivity remains in the DU after this process is done. It may be a weaker concentration, but it is still there. And regardless, actual experience with this material shows it to be a very bad killer. Many people have confirmed this.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-04-28   11:10:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#35. To: Red Jones, Aric2000 (#28)

DU is a by-product of the process that is used to create the material that is used in nuclear weapons.

True.

...and the majority of the radioactivity remains in the DU after this process is done.

Unadulterated BS. It is virtually all removed, because virtually all of the U235 is removed. U238 has a half-life in billions of years.

It may be a weaker concentration, but it is still there.

In trace amounts

And regardless, actual experience with this material shows it to be a very bad killer. Many people have confirmed this.

Many flakes. This is almost entirely a politicized issue.

Aric - Your statement that DU is not used in nuclear warheads is not technically true. It is not used in the fissile core, because it cannot sustain a chain reaction. It is used in the shell of thermonuclear devices because it will 'fast fission' under the bombardment of neutrons from the fusion reaction. In fact, this fast fission represents most of the yield of what are commonly referred to as fusion devices. This is just a technical corection and does not refute your absolutely correct position that DU is not capable of chain reaction and has very, very low radioactivity.

Kyle  posted on  2005-04-28 12:49:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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