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Title: Depleted U - An impromptu interview w/ a Career Tank Specialist
Source: me
URL Source: http://none.com
Published: Apr 27, 2005
Author: Tom007
Post Date: 2005-04-27 22:07:28 by tom007
Keywords: Specialist, impromptu, interview
Views: 2369
Comments: 488

Had an intesting conversation with a man I have known for about 5 months. He delivers to my store, handles alot of cash and is a "straight up" kind of guy. I like him, and I am sure his employer does as well. A steady Eddie man, the kind that makes the country run.

We somehow got talking about the ME, and he mentioned he had been to Egypt, and really did not care for any of it. I asked him how it was that he found himself in the ME and he said he was in the service of the military.

Naturally I wanted to know in what type of service he was in. Well, he was drafted into 'Nam, and did twentyfour years, and tanks were his thing. He started out in a tank designation I did not know of. I know a little about M1A1' and wanted to know some things about them, and the man was very evidently the real deal, no swagger, no he man stories etc. He is who he claims.

After some talk of tactics, guns, how to disable an M1A1, exploding armor, all of which he had the knolwedge of a solider who had spent many years with this type of equipment. He was pretty high up in the system.

Then I asked him about DU. Well turns out he was one of the men on the ground testing it at Aburdeen Proving grounds, shooting various things, like mounds of earth, then digging into it to estimate the ballistics, etc.

Did this many time, and my friend related that one time a DU projectile fragmented into the mound of earth. They were to go dig all the pieces of the remenents out. As he tells me, there was a hole that one of the fragments had made, and as they were poking around, a field mouse was scared up and scampered into that hole made by a fragment.

He just sat back and waited for it to come out-; it didn't. After a few minutes, he saw that it was dead.

He went and got the General of the testing operation, and showed him what he had discovered. The General and his men looked at the situation and told all the testers to go away. For three weeks the site was closed, except to the investigators.

Three weeks later, the investigation was complete. The report said the mouse died of "starvation". My friend looked at me, eye to eye, and laughed. "That mouse damn sure didn't die of starvation", he said emphatically.

He said when the DU rounds hit a tank, he could "see a mushroom cloud", formed (Note, alot of high intensity heat will form a mushroom cloud event).

He said "if you take a giger counter into one of the tanks with DU munitions it will beep like crazy". He said that the explosiom of a DU round into steel was" basically a miniature explosion of a nuclear bomb".

He said they would put goats in the test tanks, and around them. He stated that " for twentyfive meters around the tank, hit by a DU round, all the goats would be dead, ten meters, mangled, turned inside out".

He believed DU dust to be alot more dangerous than the military was allowing.

This man is much more creadible, to me, much more, than the talking hairdoo's reading spin points from the Pentagon.

Draw your own conclusions, this is what I heard today, from a man with incontrovertable creadibility with me. He was there.

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#268. To: Axenolith (#265)

Tungsten has been used since the second world war as a penetrator

I am going from memory here -- It's abundent only in Russia. The US does not want to have a major munitions supply being dependent on a potentially hostile entity.

Tungsten works great, but it is not in our power.

tom007  posted on  2005-04-29   0:14:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#269. To: Jhoffa_ (#77)

I agree with Kyle. Under certain cnditions, AIR may indeed be harmful.

Regardless however, it does nothing to prove DU is not.

If you read the link, they seem to be concerned aith fine particulates. They're a "radiation hazzard" Explosive and may be toxic, especially to the Kidney.

I missed anyone saying is was not harmful. It's the degree of risk, otherwise we'd all be screwed seeing's as how there's about an average of 4 tons of uranium in the top 1 foot of every square mile of soil on the planet...

Axenolith  posted on  2005-04-29   0:24:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#270. To: christine (#101)

"Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy." ~ Henry Kissinger ~ January-February 2003 edition of Eagle Newsletter

Criminy! 2003?!?! When is that old bag of shit gonna die?!?!

Axenolith  posted on  2005-04-29   0:31:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#271. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut, Kyle (#263)

Don't worry, though. Kyle assures us that it is not a hazard.

Hey Kyle, go to Fallujah and breathe deeply during a dust storm. Then we can watch as your lungs glow in the dark. ;^)

BTP Holdings  posted on  2005-04-29   0:35:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#272. To: tom007 (#247)

We will know ten years from now, in any event. It may be that the real culprit of the awful conditions being experienced by the GW1 vets is a toxic brew of insect vectored parasites, alond with the experimental vaccines given the the soldiers, and a bit of DU in the lungs. Stir and let sit in the sun for a few years, and see what developes.

You have probebly hit the nail squarely upon the head...

Axenolith  posted on  2005-04-29   0:44:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#273. To: crack monkey (#249)

According to this, (Blurb on natural exposures) you get about 16,000 mrem per year from smoking as opposed to ~360 from normal exposures...

Axenolith  posted on  2005-04-29   0:47:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#274. To: robin (#264)

You have not replied to the postings of the articles by scientists on this subject. Perhaps you should write them letters telling them how wrong they are.

And why should I?

This is the same thing as Global warming.

There are thousands of scientists that say we are ALL GOING TO DIE, but there are hundreds that say, NO, we're NOT, because Global warming is NOT happening because of manmade reasons. It is a NATURAL occurence, and will happen, NO MATTER what we do, others say the whole thing is BULLSHIT, and it is nothing more then a boogeyman to scare the misinformed.

The DU thing is the same thing, Natural uranium will NOT hurt you in the short term, it's radiation level is TOO low, Depleted Uranium has about HALF of that radiation, it will NOT hurt you in any way shape or form via radiation, it is NOT radioactive enough to do a damned thing.

It is a HEAVY metal, so, just like lead, there are some Toxic effects from ingesting it, although, UNLIKE lead, DU passes through the body rather quickly, and will not be absorbed and do major physiological damage.

I can repeat these FACTS, until I am BLUE in the face, but because you wish it to be harmful, you will believe that it is, NO matter what I tell you.

So, again, why should I respond to a bunch of scaremongering, the sky is falling bullshit?

Aric2000  posted on  2005-04-29   0:48:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#275. To: Dakmar (#253)

ARF!

Probably the alcohol. Worked with an engineer who told me about the chelation value of good beer, and had the blood tests to support it after coming up positive for chrome exposure after a big plating shop job we did at a Naval facility. He just drank one or two an evening and retested ( I forget the time factor but it was a month or two at most) to normal levels afterwards.

Axenolith  posted on  2005-04-29   0:52:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#276. To: Aric2000 (#274)

This is the same thing as Global warming.

Not Quite. PING to #262.

This is all very well founded in research. Read it and perhaps you will change your mind.

BTP Holdings  posted on  2005-04-29   0:53:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#277. To: tom007 (#255)

From here on, you are DR.Axenolith!!, MD. Nah, just registered PG ;-)

Axenolith  posted on  2005-04-29   0:55:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#278. To: SKYDRIFTER (#262)

PING!

BTP Holdings  posted on  2005-04-29   0:55:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#279. To: christine (#259)

If it's the alcohol, wine is probably just as good.

Liquor is antidotal to glycol poisoning BTW...

Axenolith  posted on  2005-04-29   0:57:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#280. To: Axenolith (#279)

Liquor is antidotal to glycol poisoning BTW...

OMG, I just accidently drank a quart of antifreeze!!! What should I do???.

O well, Ok some warm Schafer lite, with rat droppings on the top of the cans, that's the antidote!

Thanks Dr Anenolith!

(saved my life, once again)

tom007  posted on  2005-04-29   1:10:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#281. To: tom007 (#268)

Pine Creek, Strawberry, Tungsten Hills, et. al. are all mines in California shut down primarily due to cheaper sources, mainly China dumping the concentrate on the US market at ridiculously low prices in the late 80's-90's. You could have bought the Strawberry (and I tried to figure out some way I could afford it because it was a kick ass property and an insanely good hedge in case of trouble with China) for ~$800,000, owner financed a couple of years ago. Way cool place and it was all practically new (1980's).

Shot of Pine Creek Mine

What's really neat about the Pine Creek and some of the other Skarn deposit mines is that the shafts go up .

Axenolith  posted on  2005-04-29   1:13:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#282. To: tom007 (#280)

If you drank a quart of antifreeze you'd better hit the JD...

Axenolith  posted on  2005-04-29   1:18:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#283. To: Kyle, Aric2000 (#262)

PING!

Don't say I never gave you anything. Here is the gift of REAL knowlegde.

BTP Holdings  posted on  2005-04-29   1:21:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#284. To: BTP Holdings (#276)

Oh please, get a better grip, your grip on reality is SLIPPING......

Aric2000  posted on  2005-04-29   1:22:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#285. To: Kyle (#63)

You haven't figured out that radioactive U-238 is radioactive - what "facts" are you trying to refer to - fool?

(God, but you're stupid Kyle!.) {Still won't commit to your gender, eh?}

The FACT is that the Afghan & Iraq invasions were War Crimes. Where do you stand on those "facts?"

You're an idiot, Kyle!


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2005-04-29   1:24:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#286. To: Aric2000 (#284)

Oh please, get a better grip, your grip on reality is SLIPPING......

Not me, buddy boy.

BTP Holdings  posted on  2005-04-29   1:30:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#287. To: Aric2000 (#284)

You're in denial. Look in the mirror.

BTP Holdings  posted on  2005-04-29   1:30:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#288. To: BTP Holdings (#286)

ANY heavy metal in Nano as they put it, will sicken a person, Lead will do this, tungsten will do this, ANY heavy metal will do it.

DU happens to be the densest material for projectiles etc, therefore we use it.

If it sickens someone because of the Nano, as they put it, then it is because they breathed in the nanoparticles due to war.

After impact, DU does NOT become MORE readioactive, it does NOT create birth defects etc.

It is QUITE impossible....

Yes, it may sicken a person, but ANY heavy metal will do the same.

So to say that DU is the boogeyman, is ridiculous in the extreme.

Shit, breathing in paint fumes will sicken you far more and far faster then DU ever will, and the chances of breating in paint fumes is MUCH greater then ever getting the chance of breathing in nanoparticles of DU, or any other heavy metal.

Aric2000  posted on  2005-04-29   1:40:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#289. To: Kyle, crack monkey (#64)

Kyle, you're still an idiot!


Yes, there is a soluable form of DU, which can be readily excreted - then, there's a ceramic dust version - that hangs around.

DU’s radioactivity is in the form of Alpha particles. Alpha particles are described by the military as the ‘weakest’ form of radiation, they can be stopped by skin. However, when aerosolized into ceramic dust they are easily inhaled and can stay in the lungs for years, irradiating lung tissues causing emphysema or fibrosis. In addition to being inhaled, DU dust can settle on plants where it can be eaten and on open wounds, common in a war zone, where there is no skin to block the alpha radiation from irradiating soft body tissues. In the USA particles of DU have been found in the filters of air- conditioning units over 20 miles from any known source.

In addition to its radioactivity, Depleted Uranium is also chemically toxic as a heavy metal. DU dissolves in water. This heavy metal toxicity can be absorbed byplants and pollute ground water reserves. DU ends up in the kidneys and gastro intestinal tract causing a host of illnesses in a similar way to lead poisoning.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2005-04-29   1:41:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#290. To: SKYDRIFTER (#285)

Excuse me Sky, but DU is as radioactive as the earth itself, gamma and beta particles are an EVERYday thing, you are bombarded with these particles EVERY FRICKING DAY.

Are you dying Sky, have those radioactive particles sickened you?

Please, quit attacking Kyle for telling you the truth, you may NOT like the truth, but it is STILL THE TRUTH.

DU is HALF as radioactive as NATURAL Uranium, in other word Uranium that sits around on the surface and in mines. It is NOT deadly, only when it is concentrated and purified does it become dangerous, and the MORE pure DU is the LESS radioactive it becomes....

Aric2000  posted on  2005-04-29   1:43:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#291. To: Kyle (#66)

Kyle, the "U" metals are variants of each other. Some are fisionable - U235 & 239 - some are not; U-238. It all goes to atomic chemistry, as the numbers imply.

You don't know shit about chemistry, either. Yes, they are considered seperate elements; that's moot.

When it comes to Uranium, "half-Life is a radioactivity measure! You dumb shit!


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2005-04-29   1:48:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#292. To: Axenolith (#282)

If you drank a quart of antifreeze you'd better hit the JD...

Hah, Doctors orders!!

tom007  posted on  2005-04-29   1:58:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#293. To: Aric2000, crack monkey, Kyle, Christine (#290)

DU is HALF as radioactive as NATURAL Uranium,

Aric, you're dumb as a rock, as well! (Or, are you just doing disinformation?)

U-238 is the most common form of Uranium - it's "natural!" Given mined Uranium ore, U-235 has to be processed out, as it's in radically smaller proportion.

Yes, DU is 40% LESS radioactive than the common in-the-dirt variant. Yes, that's why it's called "depleted." It's still radioactive - and toxic. It still has a radioactive "half-life." Yes, God will one day see it turn to lead.

Until that day, it's still radioactive, still emitting dangerous alpha particles, and it's still a heavy-metal toxin to the body. Inhaled DU dust has a high probability of staying in the lungs, poisoning the hell out of the body. If the lungs were to be so lucky as to only inhale the soluable variant, you might not have any appreciable affects. If the ceramic variant is inhaled; different story. How lucky do you think one can get, when dealing with weaponized DU?

There's the rub, no one in "power" wants to know the answer; our Veterans are lab-rats. Check the statistics on "Gulf War Syndrome."


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2005-04-29   2:07:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#294. To: Aric2000 (#290)

you may NOT like the truth, but it is STILL THE TRUTH.

Why do you count yourself among the legions of professional disinformationalists that fight tooth and nail to pimp the patently untrue?

What do you get out of it? Warm fuzzies?

Dude Lebowski  posted on  2005-04-29   2:13:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#295. To: SKYDRIFTER (#293)

Then why aren't you bitching about all the above ground Nuke testing in the 40's & 50's also

Despot of the Delta  posted on  2005-04-29   2:40:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#296. To: SKYDRIFTER (#291)

t all goes to atomic chemistry, as the numbers imply.

You don't know shit about chemistry, either. Yes, they are considered seperate elements; that's moot.

Maybe atomic physics, not chemistry...

And they aren't "separate elements", they're isotopes and there's 14 (92U227 to 92U240) of them + an upper state isomer of 92U235...

Axenolith  posted on  2005-04-29   2:49:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#297. To: Kyle (#69)

I'll call you what I wish to call you, you malignant, traitorous, republican asshole.

Your so-called education didn't enable you to understand this:

"I don't believe you. It is very clear from your many posts on LP, and your posts here, that you have read plenty of propaganda, talking points, etc., from your administration. So there is no reason to suppose that you did not read about this subject."

In sum, I said I don't believe you, and I said why. But if that's not enough for you, then I will tell you that after reading your posts here and on LP, I conclude that you are a LIAR. You have, or think you have, some stake in the Bush administration, and as a result you jump through hoops like a trained monkey to defend it. Your bias is legendary here and on LP. That's why you are considered a LIAR.

We're not all that impressed with your so-called education. Is that what they call brainwashing nowadays--"education"? Because your main attribute is that you seem to be entirely brainwashed. Brainwashing = education, in your Orwellian Bushworld. Why not? To Bushistas like yourself, was is peace, freedom is slavery.

AS IF others here were not educated. We are.

You are irrational: you cling to your bias without even considering the mountains of evidence to the contrary which people here have wasted good hours putting before you.

This is inevitable. Everytime we post the truth and it conflicts with the pre- packaged administration propaganda on these boards, we are immediately labeled as "conspiracy theorists". That is a lame comeback - You can't support your position so you try to label us "conspiracy theorists".

You're not important enough to be part of any "conspiracy". You are just another "good German" who refuses to believe that evil is in power in our country. I doubt you care about dead Iraqi or Afghan civilians, so I will simply reiterate that the blood of over 1500 Americans is on your complicit hands, murderer. At the moment when you finally expire, remember that you sold out your own fellow Americans for the financial gain which you imagine you are getting from this fraudulent administration.

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-04-29   7:14:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#298. To: Kyle (#71)

your looney

Your extreme bias is showing. Experts who disagree with the shit you're peddling are "loonies". You can't see your own mental illness: rigidity, refusal to listen to reason, extreme bias. You're like a Moonie. Makes sense; the Moonies are good friends of your administration.

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-04-29   7:17:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#299. To: Jhoffa_, Kyle (#76)

In an effort to accomidate this, I give you the US Navy themselves, and you choke.

Oh, the U.S. Navy are "conspiracy theorists"?

Kyle's paranoid--sees conspiracy theorists everywhere. Seek professional help, Kyle.

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-04-29   7:19:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#300. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut, Kyle (#79)

Kyle knows this. He knows damn well it is dangerous. He just doesn't care. Military be damned, civilians be damned, just so long as he gets to revel in the deaths of muslims.

...and to revel in the deaths of Americans. Kyle is complicit to murder.

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-04-29   7:21:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#301. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut, Kyle (#88)

By the way, your posted conclusion is NOT the conclusion that goes with the abstract I posted. Just a bit deceptive on your part, there little feller.

Whaddya know. Kyle's been caught lying.

Is there no end to what the True Believers will do to support this murderous, traitorous, fraudulent administration and its false positions?

But then, the administration has been caught lying about WMD's, so it's not surprising that its supporters would be liars.

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-04-29   7:24:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#302. To: Kyle, Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#91)

Do you think they have an axe to grind?

I think you have an axe to grind.

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-04-29   7:25:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#303. To: Kyle, christine (#103)

the Gulf War 1 veterans who, btw, your "Help is on the way" administration has pretty much told to STFU and go away.

I know this government has a long, long history of lying to the American people.

"Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy." ~ Henry Kissinger ~ January-February 2003 edition of Eagle Newsletter

Do you deny the above? I know I'll never get a straight answer. That's not what you shills--whether paid or unpaid--are about.

You are complicit to murder and torture.

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-04-29   7:30:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#304. To: Kyle, Mr Nuke Buzzcut, Jhoffa (#102)

I've read hundreds of MSDS's and they always sound much worse than reality.

Hmm why is it that you've yet to address Dr. Rokke?? Seems you've repeatedly and conveniently ignored what he has to say regarding DU..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-29   7:53:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#305. To: Aric2000 (#274)

Global warming is a false comparison, it is something being predicted; there is no concrete evidence only insufficient historical data.

~300,000 Gulf War Vets are on disability and 11,000 are dead. Far too many of their children are being born with birth defects as compared with the general population. In Iraq, the civilian population is also showing the effects. The DU dust is picked up the sandstorms and tradewinds. It is not confined to Iraq.

Already "uninjured" soldiers are returning from Iraq and dying from "unknown" causes.

THESE ARE THE FACTS. YOU are a DISinformer. READ the articles.

robin  posted on  2005-04-29   8:10:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#306. To: SKYDRIFTER (#293)

There's the rub, no one in "power" wants to know the answer; our Veterans are lab-rats. Check the statistics on "Gulf War Syndrome."

I posted a link that has a lot of documentation for this, but he and Kyle won't read it. If it doesn't fit into their preconceived notions, they won't see or hear it.

christine  posted on  2005-04-29   10:39:22 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#307. To: h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t (#302)

I think you have an axe to grind.

My axe is already ground to a razor edge. I just need to give it a heft and a swing.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-04-29   10:44:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#308. To: Aric2000 (#290)

DU is HALF as radioactive as NATURAL Uranium, in other word Uranium that sits around on the surface and in mines. It is NOT deadly, only when it is concentrated and purified does it become dangerous, and the MORE pure DU is the LESS radioactive it becomes....

Really? This is your "educated" opinion? Perhaps you could address the effects of radon for us - considering you're such an expert on the effects of radioactivity, heavy metals and their effect on the human body.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-04-29   10:51:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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