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Title: Depleted U - An impromptu interview w/ a Career Tank Specialist
Source: me
URL Source: http://none.com
Published: Apr 27, 2005
Author: Tom007
Post Date: 2005-04-27 22:07:28 by tom007
Keywords: Specialist, impromptu, interview
Views: 2798
Comments: 488

Had an intesting conversation with a man I have known for about 5 months. He delivers to my store, handles alot of cash and is a "straight up" kind of guy. I like him, and I am sure his employer does as well. A steady Eddie man, the kind that makes the country run.

We somehow got talking about the ME, and he mentioned he had been to Egypt, and really did not care for any of it. I asked him how it was that he found himself in the ME and he said he was in the service of the military.

Naturally I wanted to know in what type of service he was in. Well, he was drafted into 'Nam, and did twentyfour years, and tanks were his thing. He started out in a tank designation I did not know of. I know a little about M1A1' and wanted to know some things about them, and the man was very evidently the real deal, no swagger, no he man stories etc. He is who he claims.

After some talk of tactics, guns, how to disable an M1A1, exploding armor, all of which he had the knolwedge of a solider who had spent many years with this type of equipment. He was pretty high up in the system.

Then I asked him about DU. Well turns out he was one of the men on the ground testing it at Aburdeen Proving grounds, shooting various things, like mounds of earth, then digging into it to estimate the ballistics, etc.

Did this many time, and my friend related that one time a DU projectile fragmented into the mound of earth. They were to go dig all the pieces of the remenents out. As he tells me, there was a hole that one of the fragments had made, and as they were poking around, a field mouse was scared up and scampered into that hole made by a fragment.

He just sat back and waited for it to come out-; it didn't. After a few minutes, he saw that it was dead.

He went and got the General of the testing operation, and showed him what he had discovered. The General and his men looked at the situation and told all the testers to go away. For three weeks the site was closed, except to the investigators.

Three weeks later, the investigation was complete. The report said the mouse died of "starvation". My friend looked at me, eye to eye, and laughed. "That mouse damn sure didn't die of starvation", he said emphatically.

He said when the DU rounds hit a tank, he could "see a mushroom cloud", formed (Note, alot of high intensity heat will form a mushroom cloud event).

He said "if you take a giger counter into one of the tanks with DU munitions it will beep like crazy". He said that the explosiom of a DU round into steel was" basically a miniature explosion of a nuclear bomb".

He said they would put goats in the test tanks, and around them. He stated that " for twentyfive meters around the tank, hit by a DU round, all the goats would be dead, ten meters, mangled, turned inside out".

He believed DU dust to be alot more dangerous than the military was allowing.

This man is much more creadible, to me, much more, than the talking hairdoo's reading spin points from the Pentagon.

Draw your own conclusions, this is what I heard today, from a man with incontrovertable creadibility with me. He was there.

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#364. To: Jethro Tull (#352)

We're getting our asses kicked and it's well deserved. There was a time I actually wanted these guys home, but now I say to those who continue to fight for Bush, stay where you are, your day is coming. The Iraqis have us tied down and the all volunteer military is showing signs of severe strain. I recently read where a 55 year old grandmother is being returned to active duty. This is good. I pray we continue to lose these young and old warmongers. If they want to be in Iraq, they’re brain dead anyway. Good riddance.

You are a sick fuck.

Kyle  posted on  2005-04-29   23:15:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#365. To: Jethro Tull, kyle (#352)

This is good. I pray we continue to lose these young and old warmongers. If they want to be in Iraq, they’re brain dead anyway. Good riddance.

Jethro Tull posted on 2005-04-29 17:58:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

I do not suppose most of them have much of a desire to be in Iraq. They are compelled.

"They Hate Us Because We're Free".

tom007  posted on  2005-04-29   23:20:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#366. To: Kyle (#364)

Bullies need a good beating, Kyle. Get used to it :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-04-29   23:23:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#367. To: SKYDRIFTER, FormerLurker, sfvgto, tom007, duckhunter, BrerRabbit, swarthguy, xUSMC0311, Bill D Berger, honway, Aric2000, BeAChooser (#363)

Even more alarmingly, the VA revealed that 206,861 veterans, almost a third of G eneral Schwarzkopf's entire army, had filed claims for medical care, compensation, and pension benefits based on injuries and illnesses caused by combat in 1991.

TRANS: Saw a VA doctor for ANY reason at all.

After reviewing the cases, the agency has classified 168,011 applicants as "disabled veterans."

Post the link. This is BS. However, if true, it's WAY less than the 500,000 that your sources claimed. Oops! There goes their credibility. Thanks Skyboy.

DU, or Uranium-238, is a waste product of power-generating nuclear reactors.

BS. It is a byproduct of enrichment of natural uranium.

One study of Gulf War veterans showed that their children had a higher possibility of being born with severe deformities, including missing eyes, blood infections, respiratory problems, and fused fingers.

Let's see the study, w/ a link. I'll guarantee it's BS. Remember that I posted a New England Journal of Medicine study, from 6 years after GWI, with a sample size of 34,000 births, that found NOTHING.

...the world needs an International Criminal Court and why the United States should be liable under its jurisdiction.

That, and the author (Chalmers Johnson) should be two strong clues as to the bias of this article.

BTW, why bother pinging Lurker? He knows if he comes back, he'll have to face up to his utter failure.

Kyle  posted on  2005-04-29   23:32:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#368. To: Jethro Tull, FormerLurker, sfvgto, tom007, duckhunter, BrerRabbit, swarthguy, xUSMC0311, Bill D Berger, honway, Aric2000, BeAChooser (#352)

We're getting our asses kicked and it's well deserved. There was a time I actually wanted these guys home, but now I say to those who continue to fight for Bush, stay where you are, your day is coming. The Iraqis have us tied down and the all volunteer military is showing signs of severe strain. I recently read where a 55 year old grandmother is being returned to active duty. This is good. I pray we continue to lose these young and old warmongers. If they want to be in Iraq, they’re brain dead anyway. Good riddance.

In case you missed it - Jethro posted the above. Are any of the rest of you guys willing to defend this sick fuck?

Kyle  posted on  2005-04-29   23:34:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#369. To: Jethro Tull (#366)

Bullies need a good beating, Kyle. Get used to it :)

LOL!

Of course its just the loving thing to do

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-29   23:34:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#370. To: Kyle (#364)

You are a sick f**k.

Kyle, after much thought, and given the state of this current government, I’ve reached the conclusion that I’m anti-American. Therefore, I'm not a sick f**k as you suggest, but rather a patriot in the mold of our founders. Please, my hand is extended, won't you join me in my struggle to take this nation back?

Thank you.

cc: Alberto Gonzalez c/o La Raza

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-04-29   23:34:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#371. To: Kyle, Jethro Tull, christiene, zipporah, crack monkey, arator (#364)

There was a time I actually wanted these guys home, but now I say to those who continue to fight for Bush, stay where you are, your day is coming. T

JT,

I think you need to realize that most of the fellow citizens have little objective understanding of the war's "big picture".

They are put into to groups of men and women, and almost all will quickly adopt the attitudes of the group. This "instinct" to fit in has been explored for thousands of years. When there is not much physical danger or hardship, thinking differently occurs frequently.

When the group is under stress, nearly all will follow the group think, no matter how boneheaded it is.

Very few amoungst us will have the knowledge, vision and then the gumption to tell the group, the course of action they are taking is wrong.

This is not history, it is the human condition, to understand it will illuminate human history.

This is why the girl in the prison in Iraq gleefully tourtured the Iraqi's, her group said it was the thing to do.

Some one said, "If the entire mass of Humanity was to be buried in a colossial grave, the tremendous gravestone would bear the epitath "IT SEEMED LIKE A GOOD IDEA AT THE TIME"

tom007  posted on  2005-04-29   23:35:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#372. To: Kyle (#364)

You are a sick fuck.

Naw. The sick fucks are the ones cheerleading the war. That would be you.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-04-29   23:36:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#373. To: Kyle (#367)

Remember that I posted a New England Journal of Medicine study, from 6 years after GWI, with a sample size of 34,000 births, that found NOTHING.

Remember that I posted a follow-on study with an even larger sample size that didn't limit itself to self-reporting by the VA and the results were somewhat different than what you champion.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-04-29   23:39:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#374. To: tom007 (#371)

Very few amoungst us will have the knowledge, vision and then the gumption to tell the group, the course of action they are taking is wrong.

I totally agree Tom. Personally, I can no longer stand by and ignore the mindless flag wavers. The country they support has become an evil empire, with designs of global hegemony. I detest it and all those who support it. Let them lose this war, and all other wars they chose to start. That, my friend, will be justice.

cc: Bush #41 & #43

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-04-29   23:42:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#375. To: Jethro Tull (#370)

Please, my hand is extended, won't you join me in my struggle to take this nation back?

If you still insist that our troops deserve to be killed, I'll take your hand alright. I'll take it off and beat you to death w/ it.

Kyle  posted on  2005-04-30   0:00:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#376. To: Kyle (#375)

Kyle, the ass kicking continues....

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BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Insurgents set off at least 17 bombs in Iraq on Friday, killing at least 50 people, including three U.S. soldiers, in a series of attacks aimed at shaking Iraq's newly formed government. An audio tape by one of America's most-wanted insurgents, Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi, warned President Bush there was more bloodshed to come

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-04-30   0:02:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#377. To: tom007, Jethro Tull, christiene, zipporah, crack monkey, arator (#371)

I think you need to realize that most of the fellow citizens have little objective understanding of the war's "big picture".

That was a nice inocuous post, but it totally ignored the fact that this asshole likes seeing our troops killed.

Kyle  posted on  2005-04-30   0:02:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#378. To: Kyle (#375)

you are special

Dakmar  posted on  2005-04-30   0:03:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#379. To: Kyle (#375)

I'll take it off and beat you to death w/ it.

You couldn't beat your tallywacker, you pos :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-04-30   0:03:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#380. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#372)

Naw. The sick fucks are the ones cheerleading the war. That would be you.

So you like seeing our troops killed too. Mind if I bring some parents of soldiers to this thread, scum?

Kyle  posted on  2005-04-30   0:03:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#381. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#373)

Remember that I posted a follow-on study with an even larger sample size that didn't limit itself to self-reporting by the VA and the results were somewhat different than what you champion.

Oh, you mean the one that found slight statistical significance but no causation? ;o)

Kyle  posted on  2005-04-30   0:05:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#382. To: Jethro Tull (#374)

Personally, I can no longer stand by and ignore the mindless flag wavers.

I am far from mindless or a flag waver. Apparently you find it necessary to peg me as both to discredit me. You would do better to discredit my facts and argument. Oh, you can't.

Kyle  posted on  2005-04-30   0:07:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#383. To: Kyle (#377)

That was a nice inocuous post, but it totally ignored the fact that this asshole likes seeing our troops killed.

Kyle posted on 2005-04-30 00:02:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

And you, Kyle, became my thoughtmaster, exactly when?

tom007  posted on  2005-04-30   0:08:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#384. To: Jethro Tull (#376)

Kyle, the ass kicking continues....

And you revel in it. SICK FUCK! Get out of the country.

Kyle  posted on  2005-04-30   0:08:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#385. To: Kyle (#380)

Mind if I bring some parents of soldiers to this thread, scum?

Ahhh...I consider our troops akin to bungee jumpers. They both know the dangers they face, but do it anyway. Sure, bring the parents here. Let me tell them that Bush killed their kid by lying to the nation. They deserve the truth.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-04-30   0:10:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#386. To: All (#383)

Dont bother to reply. I say this as it does nothing to further the illumination.

tom007  posted on  2005-04-30   0:10:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#387. To: Kyle (#384)

Get out of the country.

Nope. I'm staying. It's you neocon bastards who will be driven out.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-04-30   0:11:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#388. To: Kyle (#384)

And you revel in it. SICK FUCK! Get out of the country.

Which country you mean, weirdo?

Dakmar  posted on  2005-04-30   0:13:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#389. To: tom007 (#383)

Kyle is one of those people that reminds me there is a reason doors have locks.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-04-30   0:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#390. To: Dakmar (#388)

And you revel in it. SICK FUCK! Get out of the country.

Which country you mean, weirdo?

Hmm maybe hes just confused and thinks JT lives in the country and wants him to move and become a city dweller?? :P

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-30   0:18:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#391. To: Jethro Tull, FormerLurker, sfvgto, tom007, duckhunter, BrerRabbit, swarthguy, xUSMC0311, Bill D Berger, honway, Aric2000, BeAChooser (#385)

Sure, bring the parents here. Let me tell them that Bush killed their kid by lying to the nation.

That's a furious backpedal you're doing. Now, you want to commiserate w/ them over what Bush is doing to their kids. A few minutes ago, you were reveling in their death:

"...but now I say to those who continue to fight for Bush, stay where you are, your day is coming."

"I pray we continue to lose these young and old warmongers. If they want to be in Iraq, they’re brain dead anyway. Good riddance."

Apparently you don't have the balls to stick w/ your initial position or the balls to change it. So you weasel. What a pathetic punk you are.

Kyle  posted on  2005-04-30   0:21:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#392. To: Dakmar, tom007 (#389)

Kyle is one of those people that reminds me there is a reason doors have locks.

But you have no problem w/ Jethro's post #?

Kyle  posted on  2005-04-30   0:23:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#393. To: Kyle (#391)

I love it when you get mad :)

Let me be clear.

Bad shit happens to invaders.

We are the invaders.

That said, the Iraqis are doing what nationalists do. They are defending their nation.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-04-30   0:24:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#394. To: Kyle (#392)

But you have no problem w/ Jethro's post #?

Jethro isn't promoting statism, you are.

Dakmar  posted on  2005-04-30   0:25:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#395. To: Kyle (#391)

Kyle, I have a question for you. If you've already answered it I apologize, since I have not read all 400 postings in this thread. My question has to do with the pictures I've seen of horribly deformed babies in Iraq. The claim that has been made is that

1) these births are extremely abnormal and out of the range of statictical normalcy, i.e. there are way more babies being born defective than could ever be explained by natural causes, and that

2) The cause of these birth defects is depleted uranium.

I'd like to know what you think of the birth defects that have been reported, and the reputed cause of these defects. The reason I'm asking is because the pictures I've seen are extremely horrifying, these defects seem to be well outside the realm of anything that could happen naturally in anything more than 1 in 100,000 births, and apparently the rate of these hideously deformed children is much, much higher than that.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2005-04-30   0:29:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#396. To: Kyle (#380)

So you like seeing our troops killed too. Mind if I bring some parents of soldiers to this thread, scum?

No, once again, as usual, you are 100% wrong. I don't like seeing them killed. I would much prefer that they came home and actually started honoring the oath they took to defend the United States.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-04-30   0:45:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#397. To: Kyle (#381)

Oh, you mean the one that found slight statistical significance but no causation?

Go ahead. Play your word games. I'm sure the parents of those troops you mentioned will appreciate your spin when their son or daughter or grandchild is dying. You are one sick fuck.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-04-30   0:46:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#398. To: Elliott Jackalope (#395)

these defects seem to be well outside the realm of anything that could happen naturally in anything more than 1 in 100,000 births, and apparently the rate of these hideously deformed children is much, much higher than that.

Actually 'Lope, the norm is a LOT higher than that. Additionally, a lot of that stuff was being purported to be caused by the "sanctions" in the intervening years. I'm willing to believe that any number over the "norm" for Iraq is generally due to malnutrition (lack of stuff like folic acid), which was rampant in areas of Iraq pre war and probably continues to this day.

The test of this will be when, if a semblance of normalcy comes around, these defects taper off rapidly (from the increasing dietary stability), or linger further into the future (which would indicate a persistent environmental factor.

Axenolith  posted on  2005-04-30   0:49:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#399. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#397)

No Buzzcut,

We wait for OVERWHELMING scientific evidence, before we jump on the bandwagon.

You guys hear a sniff of something, and you're ALL over it...

We try to talk sense into you, because the scientific evidence DOES NOT EXIST, but NO, we have to be KOOKS, or sick fucks, because we don't jump at every little red herring that would feed our paranoia.

What is it with you people?

Not happy unless you're afraid of something?

OMG, talk about nuts.....

Wait for ACTUAL OVERWHELMING scientific evidence.

You do the SAME for global warming, and there are HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people on that bandwagon, what is it about DU that makes it different?

Aric2000  posted on  2005-04-30   0:57:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#400. To: Axenolith (#398)

OMG, where did you come from? and why do you post on this forum?

You seem to know what you are talking about, didn't you know that that is against the rules here?

Aric2000  posted on  2005-04-30   0:58:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#401. To: Aric2000 (#399)

Hmm yeah talk about nuts.. you want to explain to me why you nor your friend would EVER address Dr. Rokke? Hmm?

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-30   0:59:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#402. To: Aric2000 (#399)

What is it with you people?

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You do the SAME for global warming

Your sure you reading from the right set of notes, agent orange?

Dakmar  posted on  2005-04-30   1:02:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#403. To: Axenolith (#398)

Actually 'Lope, the norm is a LOT higher than that. Additionally, a lot of that stuff was being purported to be caused by the "sanctions" in the intervening years. I'm willing to believe that any number over the "norm" for Iraq is generally due to malnutrition (lack of stuff like folic acid), which was rampant in areas of Iraq pre war and probably continues to this day.

Malnutrition could be part of the cause.. due to the sanctions as well as malnutrition since the invasion which has worsened.. but would it cause 3 Xs the number of deformaties since the Gulf War as prior?

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-30   1:04:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#404. To: Axenolith (#398)

I'm willing to believe that any number over the "norm" for Iraq is generally due to malnutrition (lack of stuff like folic acid), which was rampant in areas of Iraq pre war and probably continues to this day.

On that point I have to disagree, because I've seen tons and tons of pictures of starving children in Africa, and while they look tragic, they don't look like visions of Dante's Inferno as filtered through a bad acid trip. Children who are starving or who are born to starving people look thin and/or bloated. The Iraqi children I've seen are missing little things like their faces, or they have one big eye in the center of their forehead, or just a big hole in the middle of their head where a face should be, or their guts grew on the outside of their bodies. That's not malnutrition, that's something far more sinister.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2005-04-30   1:04:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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