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Title: Depleted U - An impromptu interview w/ a Career Tank Specialist
Source: me
URL Source: http://none.com
Published: Apr 27, 2005
Author: Tom007
Post Date: 2005-04-27 22:07:28 by tom007
Keywords: Specialist, impromptu, interview
Views: 2003
Comments: 488

Had an intesting conversation with a man I have known for about 5 months. He delivers to my store, handles alot of cash and is a "straight up" kind of guy. I like him, and I am sure his employer does as well. A steady Eddie man, the kind that makes the country run.

We somehow got talking about the ME, and he mentioned he had been to Egypt, and really did not care for any of it. I asked him how it was that he found himself in the ME and he said he was in the service of the military.

Naturally I wanted to know in what type of service he was in. Well, he was drafted into 'Nam, and did twentyfour years, and tanks were his thing. He started out in a tank designation I did not know of. I know a little about M1A1' and wanted to know some things about them, and the man was very evidently the real deal, no swagger, no he man stories etc. He is who he claims.

After some talk of tactics, guns, how to disable an M1A1, exploding armor, all of which he had the knolwedge of a solider who had spent many years with this type of equipment. He was pretty high up in the system.

Then I asked him about DU. Well turns out he was one of the men on the ground testing it at Aburdeen Proving grounds, shooting various things, like mounds of earth, then digging into it to estimate the ballistics, etc.

Did this many time, and my friend related that one time a DU projectile fragmented into the mound of earth. They were to go dig all the pieces of the remenents out. As he tells me, there was a hole that one of the fragments had made, and as they were poking around, a field mouse was scared up and scampered into that hole made by a fragment.

He just sat back and waited for it to come out-; it didn't. After a few minutes, he saw that it was dead.

He went and got the General of the testing operation, and showed him what he had discovered. The General and his men looked at the situation and told all the testers to go away. For three weeks the site was closed, except to the investigators.

Three weeks later, the investigation was complete. The report said the mouse died of "starvation". My friend looked at me, eye to eye, and laughed. "That mouse damn sure didn't die of starvation", he said emphatically.

He said when the DU rounds hit a tank, he could "see a mushroom cloud", formed (Note, alot of high intensity heat will form a mushroom cloud event).

He said "if you take a giger counter into one of the tanks with DU munitions it will beep like crazy". He said that the explosiom of a DU round into steel was" basically a miniature explosion of a nuclear bomb".

He said they would put goats in the test tanks, and around them. He stated that " for twentyfive meters around the tank, hit by a DU round, all the goats would be dead, ten meters, mangled, turned inside out".

He believed DU dust to be alot more dangerous than the military was allowing.

This man is much more creadible, to me, much more, than the talking hairdoo's reading spin points from the Pentagon.

Draw your own conclusions, this is what I heard today, from a man with incontrovertable creadibility with me. He was there.

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#429. To: h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t (#426)

We're told that the tape, which every print and electronic tabloid wanted, has mysteriously disappeared...

Whaddya want to bet Mary and Lynne Cheney bought up every copy?

Note post 425's link, Kelly Ann appears to be offering another reward, like the one for Gannon.

robin  posted on  2005-04-30   13:33:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#430. To: crack monkey (#428)

A little bird has told me that Kyle has gone the way of all integrity challenged lying little shitballs.

Kneeling in a ditch sniveling while awaiting the inevitable bullet to the back of the head?

Esso  posted on  2005-04-30   13:44:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#431. To: Zipporah (#417)

You know.. there are fools and there are damned fools and you can be catagorized as the latter.

I am neither, but I watch quite a few of both here....

So, money is not a motivation for me when I say the DU scare is a load of shit.

Dr. Rokke has MUCH money to be made if he can convince enough people that INDEED, DU is dangerous. LOADS of it, because the US government will get blamed, will be sued, and some stupid idiots on a Jury will declare them guilty and a massive amount of money will be awarded, and guess who will get a piece of that action?

The doctor that made it ALL possible.

So to say that your "expert" is some lily white, neutral man with a professional opinion, tells me that you are blind to such things as long as it matches your prejudices.

Aric2000  posted on  2005-04-30   21:26:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#432. To: Zipporah (#417)

You know.. there are fools and there are damned fools and you can be catagorized as the latter.

And what does that make me???????

=0)

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-04-30   21:29:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#433. To: Aric2000 (#431)

am neither, but I watch quite a few of both here....

So, money is not a motivation for me when I say the DU scare is a load of shit.

Dr. Rokke has MUCH money to be made if he can convince enough people that INDEED, DU is dangerous. LOADS of it, because the US government will get blamed, will be sued, and some stupid idiots on a Jury will declare them guilty and a massive amount of money will be awarded, and guess who will get a piece of that action?

The doctor that made it ALL possible.

So to say that your "expert" is some lily white, neutral man with a professional opinion, tells me that you are blind to such things as long as it matches your prejudices.

Oh really? Your 'friend' certainly has prejudices and they are tied to money.. have you taken the time to see WHO Dr. Rokke is.. and if you think it's about money for him you are sadly mistaken..

You believe I have prejudices regarding DU or anything else.. you dont know jack shit about me.. I was blind to all the bullshit you are blind to.. and I wised up.. something you may think about trying to do.. instead of calling people on this site NUTS.. well guess what if you think everyone here is nuts..and want to watch as you put it a 'train wreck'.. and that is all the input you have maybe that is what you should do.. just watch..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-30   21:33:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#434. To: h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t (#421)

Desperation?

I am desperate to convince a bunch of paranoid fools without a clue that what they are dioung is scaremongering, and NOT scientifically valid in any way shape or form.

You are in more danger from Radon gas in your own fricking house, then you are from DU on a battlefield, unless of course you are the intended target of such munitions.

You people are scaremongering on NO evidence, and the words of a doctor who is bound and determined that he is going to create a class action lawsuit that will make he and the lawyers a SHITLOAD of money, and the sad thing is, it's ALL BULLSHIT. The US government, which means US, because it is our tax money that will pay for it, is going to put out a shitload of money, to a bunch of victims that are NOT the victims of what they claim to be victims of.

DU is NOT the problem, something else is creating the Birth defects etc, and as long as they are concentrating so hard on DU, then they fail to find the TRUE cause and possibly fix it.

They fixate on DU, because the US government can be blamed, and has DEEP pockets.

How will you sue the Saddam government for releasing dangerous chemicals into the environment via their chemical and biological programs, that government no longer exists.

YOU MUST FIND A BOOGEY MAN THAT CAN BE USED TO COUGH UP CASH.

You ALL have been suckered, just as millions more will be by a propaganda machine that wants Our tax dollars, and will do and say anything, INCLUDING BS THAT DU WILL CAUSE BIRTH DEFECTS ETC, to get their hands on that cash.

Aric2000  posted on  2005-04-30   21:33:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#435. To: Esso (#430)

Kneeling in a ditch sniveling while awaiting the inevitable bullet to the back of the head?

Banished to the great beyond for unethical posting.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-04-30   21:39:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#436. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#432)

And what does that make me???????

=0)

Its not a either or .. LOL.. just applies to a select few.. :P

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-30   21:40:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#437. To: Zipporah (#433)

Oh please, study up on the ACTUAL qualities of DU, PLEASE....

Because if you do, it becomes GLARINGLY obvious that it CANNOT do what these people claim that it does.

It is as dangerous as lead, it's radioactivity levels are less dangerous then the material used in glow in the dark markings on your watch.

It is a heavy metal, of course it can be dangerous, and must be used with care, just as lead etc is used with care. BUT, it will not and CANNOT create birth defects of any sort, it will NOT change DNA strands, it cannot and will NOT cause birth defects, the radioactivity is just NOT high enough, and the tetrogenic damage it can cause, DOESN'T HAPPEN. Lead is FAR more dangerous to a fetus then DU ever thought of being.

You're all being paranoid nutcases on this, and it is ALL because the US government is big and EVIIIL in your eyes, and if someone says that DU is dangerous, and it is used by the US government, and therefore they use it when they KNOW it is dangerous, etc, etc ad nauseum, you fruitloops are gonna eat it up.

Aric2000  posted on  2005-04-30   21:40:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#438. To: Aric2000 (#437)

You're all being paranoid nutcases on this, and it is ALL because the US government is big and EVIIIL in your eyes, and if someone says that DU is dangerous, and it is used by the US government, and therefore they use it when they KNOW it is dangerous, etc, etc ad nauseum, you fruitloops are gonna eat it up.

Cya Aric..

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-30   21:43:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#439. To: Aric2000 (#437)

It is as dangerous as lead, it's radioactivity levels are less dangerous then the material used in glow in the dark markings on your watch.

That stuff will kill you quick if you injest it. A lot of women who painted clock faces at the turn of the century found this out the hard way. They would moisten the tip of the bruch with thier lips. Doctoroh talks about the incident in Ragtime.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-04-30   21:44:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#440. To: Aric2000 (#437)

It is a heavy metal, of course it can be dangerous, and must be used with care, just as lead etc is used with care. BUT, it will not and CANNOT create birth defects of any sort, it will NOT change DNA strands, it cannot and will NOT cause birth defects, the radioactivity is just NOT high enough, and the tetrogenic damage it can cause, DOESN'T HAPPEN. Lead is FAR more dangerous to a fetus then DU ever thought of being.

It's odd the way you offer up all of these wild claims but never provide a shred of proof for anything. Are you an oracle that simply must be believed? A lot of stuff you offer up is transparently false on its face.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-04-30   21:47:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#441. To: Zipporah (#438)

Cya Aric..

May I assume that Aric2000 has joined kyle in asshole heaven?

I guess it's a waste of time to post to him then.

But of course, it was also a waste of time to post to him when he was here. Same difference I guess.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-04-30   21:49:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#442. To: Aric2000 (#437)

Long time no read. Remember me (braddueringer), It's Saturday and some of us are trying not to venture forth from the state of euphoria. At least not with out a road map. So please try and contain the vitriol and venom for the proper outlets. Aren't we all fighting the same foe here or am I just drunk.... OK... Don't answer that but you know what I am saying.

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-04-30   21:50:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#443. To: crack monkey (#441)

May I assume that Aric2000 has joined kyle in asshole heaven?

It really would be a sad turn of events....

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-04-30   21:52:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#444. To: timetobuildaboat (#443)

It really would be a sad turn of events....

I don't know. He has Kyle up there with him. I got the impression the two were sort of butt buddies.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-04-30   21:54:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#445. To: crack monkey (#441)

May I assume that Aric2000 has joined kyle in asshole heaven?

I guess it's a waste of time to post to him then.

But of course, it was also a waste of time to post to him when he was here. Same difference I guess.

Yep.. safe to assume that.. if anyone wants to contribute here.. great.. fine ..no problem but when they start calling everyone here nuts.. and say that they're here to watch a 'train wreck' hey fine ..let them 'watch'.. since that is what they want..hey I'll be glad to cooperate.. :P

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-30   21:55:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#446. To: Zipporah (#445)

Yep.. safe to assume that.. if anyone wants to contribute here.. great.. fine ..no problem but when they start calling everyone here nuts.. and say that they're here to watch a 'train wreck' hey fine ..let them 'watch'.. since that is what they want..hey I'll be glad to cooperate.. :P

Well .... his honest opinion seemed to be that he was too good to be here. Maybe you did him a favor.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-04-30   21:56:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#447. To: crack monkey (#446)

Well .... his honest opinion seemed to be that he was too good to be here. Maybe you did him a favor.

Well then good if that was his opinion.. then I solved a problem for him .. did I not? :P

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-30   21:58:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#448. To: Zipporah (#445)

Yep.. safe to assume that.. if anyone wants to contribute here.. great.. fine ..no problem but when they start calling everyone here nuts.. and say that they're here to watch a 'train wreck' hey fine ..let them 'watch'.. since that is what they want..hey I'll be glad to cooperate.. :P

I still say you are a sweety....

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-04-30   22:00:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#449. To: All (#448)

Then again it could be alcohol induced..... Naaahh!

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-04-30   22:01:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#450. To: timetobuildaboat (#448)

I still say you are a sweety....

Hey it was out strictly out of kindness.. ;P

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-30   22:02:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#451. To: Aric2000 (#431)

Dr. Rokke has MUCH money to be made if he can convince enough people that INDEED, DU is dangerous. LOADS of it, because the US government will get blamed, will be sued, and some stupid idiots on a Jury will declare them guilty and a massive amount of money will be awarded, and guess who will get a piece of that action?

The doctor that made it ALL possible.

So to say that your "expert" is some lily white, neutral man with a professional opinion, tells me that you are blind to such things as long as it matches your prejudices.

What a load of bullshit!

You should have enough sense to know that only pettifogger shyster attorneys and BAR lawyers benefit from others' iniquities and troubles. They are the lowest form of life on the Earth.

BTP Holdings  posted on  2005-04-30   22:05:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#452. To: Zipporah (#450)

His comments smacked of government cohort... or am I just off base considering my inebriated state?

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-04-30   22:06:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#453. To: BTP Holdings (#451)

Aric2000 has followed Kyle into the great beyond. He can't answer you.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-04-30   22:08:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#454. To: BTP Holdings (#451)

What a load of bullshit!

Just a word of advice....

Don't beat around the bush.

Tell him what you really think.

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-04-30   22:08:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#455. To: timetobuildaboat (#452)

His comments smacked of government cohort... or am I just off base considering my inebriated state?

Hmm well not sure about that.. it may be your inebriated state.. I think it could be better catagorized as your basic marching moron.. :P

Zipporah  posted on  2005-04-30   22:08:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#456. To: crack monkey (#453)

Aric2000 has followed Kyle into the great beyond. He can't answer you.

Being a free-um we may need to tolerate the likes of Aric2000 to "walk the talk" but Oh well! Who am I to inject policy in my pickled state of mind.

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-04-30   22:12:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#457. To: crack monkey (#453)

He can't answer you.

So I found out.

BTP Holdings  posted on  2005-04-30   22:12:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#458. To: timetobuildaboat (#452)

or am I just off base considering my inebriated state?

Oh, that explains your fiendishness tonight. LOL

BTP Holdings  posted on  2005-04-30   22:14:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#459. To: Zipporah (#455)

Marching lockstep? yes.... I see it now....

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-04-30   22:14:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#460. To: timetobuildaboat (#456)

Being a free-um we may need to tolerate the likes of Aric2000 to "walk the talk" but Oh well! Who am I to inject policy in my pickled state of mind

I don't think he got pronged for his views. It was more the way he was presenting them.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-04-30   22:15:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#461. To: All (#456)

Being a free-um we may need to tolerate the likes of Aric2000 to "walk the talk" but Oh well! Who am I to inject policy in my pickled state of mind.

free-um?

What the hell! Is this guy drunk, and do you tolerate this on your site? If so I will go somewhere else to vent my dislike for the status quo.

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-04-30   22:16:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#462. To: crack monkey (#460)

I don't think he got pronged for his views. It was more the way he was presenting them.

Attacking others personally is a sign of serious insecurity in the humble and drunk oppinion of this poster.

I hate to say it but... Good God Craig Chaquico's midnightnoon is absolutely brilliant. Needless to say it is playing right now with Third Force's Richard Elliott on sax.

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-04-30   22:22:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#463. To: Zipporah (#455)

You really are a sweet thing and I hop your husband does'nt know where I live.

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-04-30   22:24:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#464. To: All (#463)

hop = hope

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-04-30   22:24:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#465. To: All (#464)

Not bad just 30 seconds to a correction!!!

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-04-30   22:25:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#466. To: Zipporah (#416)

I'm working on this, I'm not ignoring it! Follow up soon...

Axenolith  posted on  2005-05-01   2:33:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#467. To: Zipporah (#438)

Cya Aric..

(Harrrrumphh)

Aric and Kyle,

A real steaming pile,

Hung out and spewed on the 4um a while.

Zipporah got pissed,

When the two smirked and dissed,

And booted their asses in style.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-05-01   9:39:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#468. To: h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t (#418)

That statement is an OUTRAGE. I am SICK AS HELL of hearing Bushistas telling the rest of us that we "hate Americans" or are "blood dancers". It is so obvious that those who are against the war are against it because we DON'T want to see Americans (and others) die. This is typical Bush-speak: black is white, up is down, patriots are traitors, conservatives are liberals, war is peace, freedom is slavery.

Bush supporters are the true anti-Americans!!

I just saw this post, halfwitt. It's awesome.

christine  posted on  2005-05-01   19:26:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#469. To: crack monkey (#467)

Zipporah got pissed,

correction: Christine and Zipporah got pissed ;)

christine  posted on  2005-05-01   19:27:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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