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Title: Depleted U - An impromptu interview w/ a Career Tank Specialist
Source: me
URL Source: http://none.com
Published: Apr 27, 2005
Author: Tom007
Post Date: 2005-04-27 22:07:28 by tom007
Keywords: Specialist, impromptu, interview
Views: 2002
Comments: 488

Had an intesting conversation with a man I have known for about 5 months. He delivers to my store, handles alot of cash and is a "straight up" kind of guy. I like him, and I am sure his employer does as well. A steady Eddie man, the kind that makes the country run.

We somehow got talking about the ME, and he mentioned he had been to Egypt, and really did not care for any of it. I asked him how it was that he found himself in the ME and he said he was in the service of the military.

Naturally I wanted to know in what type of service he was in. Well, he was drafted into 'Nam, and did twentyfour years, and tanks were his thing. He started out in a tank designation I did not know of. I know a little about M1A1' and wanted to know some things about them, and the man was very evidently the real deal, no swagger, no he man stories etc. He is who he claims.

After some talk of tactics, guns, how to disable an M1A1, exploding armor, all of which he had the knolwedge of a solider who had spent many years with this type of equipment. He was pretty high up in the system.

Then I asked him about DU. Well turns out he was one of the men on the ground testing it at Aburdeen Proving grounds, shooting various things, like mounds of earth, then digging into it to estimate the ballistics, etc.

Did this many time, and my friend related that one time a DU projectile fragmented into the mound of earth. They were to go dig all the pieces of the remenents out. As he tells me, there was a hole that one of the fragments had made, and as they were poking around, a field mouse was scared up and scampered into that hole made by a fragment.

He just sat back and waited for it to come out-; it didn't. After a few minutes, he saw that it was dead.

He went and got the General of the testing operation, and showed him what he had discovered. The General and his men looked at the situation and told all the testers to go away. For three weeks the site was closed, except to the investigators.

Three weeks later, the investigation was complete. The report said the mouse died of "starvation". My friend looked at me, eye to eye, and laughed. "That mouse damn sure didn't die of starvation", he said emphatically.

He said when the DU rounds hit a tank, he could "see a mushroom cloud", formed (Note, alot of high intensity heat will form a mushroom cloud event).

He said "if you take a giger counter into one of the tanks with DU munitions it will beep like crazy". He said that the explosiom of a DU round into steel was" basically a miniature explosion of a nuclear bomb".

He said they would put goats in the test tanks, and around them. He stated that " for twentyfive meters around the tank, hit by a DU round, all the goats would be dead, ten meters, mangled, turned inside out".

He believed DU dust to be alot more dangerous than the military was allowing.

This man is much more creadible, to me, much more, than the talking hairdoo's reading spin points from the Pentagon.

Draw your own conclusions, this is what I heard today, from a man with incontrovertable creadibility with me. He was there.

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#8. To: tom007 (#0)

My best guess is that the DU dust is physically toxic metal, similar to inhaling cyanide dust. It's not that much to do with the radiation.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2005-04-28   1:53:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: SKYDRIFTER (#8)

The basic gist of this is...

Lead used as a projectile is JUST as big a deal as DU being used as a projectile.

The only reason that DU is such a big deal, is because it has Uranium in the name, and they can create a huge public problem with it.

It is just as dangerous as lead is, BUT, that is it....

SO, if you are going to freak out about DU, then you had better freak out about lead as well, otherwise, forget about it.....

Aric2000  posted on  2005-04-28   2:17:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Aric2000, Zipporah (#10)

According to Dr. Rokke, DU is not purely DU, but is chocked full of other byproducts from nuclear fission, including highly radioactive elements.

It's basically low grade radioactive waste. Nothing to worry about, I'm sure. < /sarcasm >

Arator  posted on  2005-04-28   9:13:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Arator, Aric2000, Zipporah, SKYDRIFTER (#13)

According to Dr. Rokke, DU is not purely DU, but is chocked full of other byproducts from nuclear fission, including highly radioactive elements.

It's basically low grade radioactive waste.

Whoever this Dr. Rokke is, their wrong. Aric2000 has it right, but actually overstated the problem. Lead is more chemically toxic than DU and DU is far less than 1/2 as radioactive as natural (3% U235) uranium. The half life of U238 is in the billions of years, so its decay rate is extremely low.

The radioactive waste remark is ludicrously off base. Even if the DU were made from radioactive waste (which it isn't; it's made from natural uranium ores as a byproduct of enrichment), other radioative isotopes could not be present because of the process used.

Uranium is reacted with fluorine to produce uranium hexafluoride gas. At this point, most other radioactive elements are exclude because they don't react with fluorine under the same conditions.

Then the gas is centrifuged over and over and over to separate the U238 and the U235 based on the slight difference in density. Any other gaseous radioactive compounds that MIGHT be present would have densities so low that they would all be separated out with the U235. This is purely theoretical because, in practice, they don't exist.

The gas is converted back into nearly pure U238. The only contaminate possible is residual U235, but the level is monitored closely.

Because DU comes from natural uranium and because of the production process and the monitoring of U235 levels, the resultant DU poses less of a radioactive risk than other natural and man-made sources.

Kyle  posted on  2005-04-28   10:08:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Kyle (#16)

the resultant DU poses less of a radioactive risk than other natural and man-made sources.

me-thinks you are in denial Mr. Kyle. I've read and heard from several experts who were paid by the US government to look into this, and they concluded that DU is deadly. There's also people paid by the UN to study this and they've concluded the same.

My goodness, a VA sponsored scientist concluded that DU killed 11,000 US soldiers from Gulf War 1 and you are still in denial over this.

I guess you can't handle the truth.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-04-28   10:16:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Red Jones (#17)

I guess you can't handle the truth.

I know that he's never passed a Geiger counter over a piece of the stuff. Compared to anything you'll encounter in normal life, the stuff is hot as hell, many, many times what normal background radiation is. I wonder what he thinks he's getting out of spreading this bullshit.

Esso  posted on  2005-04-28   10:36:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Esso (#20)

the arrogance is astounding, isn't it?

christine  posted on  2005-04-28   11:20:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: christine (#30)

the arrogance is astounding, isn't it?

I don't know what's going on here or why, but what I do know is that when I was trained in the use of radiation detection equipment over 20 years ago, the source that was used for practice detection was depleted uranium plates about 1/4" thick and 2" by 10" long. The Geiger counters would detect this with no problem. I no longer remember the exact ranges that we used, but to say that it is not a radiation source is ludicrous. The instructor explained that even though it was a low level radiation source, exposure to it should be kept to a minimum.

As far as this BS about "natural uranium", it doesn't occur naturally anymore than steel does. It has to be refined, processed and enriched.

The next thing we'll be hearing is that the "spent" fuel rods from nuke plants can be used as swizzel sticks. Sheesh.

Esso  posted on  2005-04-28   12:55:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Esso (#38)

i don't know what's going on either, but i can guess. it's spelled s-h-i-l-l.

christine  posted on  2005-04-28   13:02:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: christine (#41)

i don't know what's going on either, but i can guess. it's spelled s-h-i-l-l.

Looking at the support Kyle offers for his arguments, my guess is that Kyle's primary purpose here is to punish people who dare voice opinions that diverge from the RNC party line.

Sort of an FR enforcer on loan from FR.

I think if you could pin him down on his political position he would claim to be an "independent" who often criticises Bush.

If you looked a little harder you would find that he has never cast a non-RNC vote in his life and that his "critique" of Bush consists of an unvoiced objection to a few aspects of Bush's immigration policy.

I don't think you'll ever see him present a useful or well supported piece of knowledge on the forum.

I do think you'll see him use intimidation tactics to keep others from voicing opinions that don't conform to the bot orthodoxy.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-04-28   13:28:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: crack monkey, christine (#50)

i don't know what's going on either, but i can guess. it's spelled s-h-i-l-l.

Looking at the support Kyle offers for his arguments, my guess is that Kyle's primary purpose here is to punish people who dare voice opinions that diverge from the RNC party line.

Read my other posts. My bias is toward facts and logic. Your attempt to discredit me by labeling me is lame. Deal w/ the substance or remain quite.

Kyle  posted on  2005-04-28   14:18:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#285. To: Kyle (#63)

You haven't figured out that radioactive U-238 is radioactive - what "facts" are you trying to refer to - fool?

(God, but you're stupid Kyle!.) {Still won't commit to your gender, eh?}

The FACT is that the Afghan & Iraq invasions were War Crimes. Where do you stand on those "facts?"

You're an idiot, Kyle!


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2005-04-29   1:24:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#290. To: SKYDRIFTER (#285)

Excuse me Sky, but DU is as radioactive as the earth itself, gamma and beta particles are an EVERYday thing, you are bombarded with these particles EVERY FRICKING DAY.

Are you dying Sky, have those radioactive particles sickened you?

Please, quit attacking Kyle for telling you the truth, you may NOT like the truth, but it is STILL THE TRUTH.

DU is HALF as radioactive as NATURAL Uranium, in other word Uranium that sits around on the surface and in mines. It is NOT deadly, only when it is concentrated and purified does it become dangerous, and the MORE pure DU is the LESS radioactive it becomes....

Aric2000  posted on  2005-04-29   1:43:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#308. To: Aric2000 (#290)

DU is HALF as radioactive as NATURAL Uranium, in other word Uranium that sits around on the surface and in mines. It is NOT deadly, only when it is concentrated and purified does it become dangerous, and the MORE pure DU is the LESS radioactive it becomes....

Really? This is your "educated" opinion? Perhaps you could address the effects of radon for us - considering you're such an expert on the effects of radioactivity, heavy metals and their effect on the human body.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-04-29   10:51:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#481. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#308)

the effects of radon for us - considering you're such an expert on the effects of radioactivity, heavy metals and their effect on the human body.

Do you have any good links on this? I recently had my house tested for radon and the results came back at 4.0 pCi/l.

justlurking  posted on  2005-05-02   6:31:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#482. To: justlurking (#481)

Do you have any good links on this?

This one has some good information. There's tons of others to be found on Google. Fortunately, radon is fairly easy to remediate in most homes - especially if you have a crawl space.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-05-02   10:18:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#485. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#482)

radon is fairly easy to remediate in most homes - especially if you have a crawl space.

Thanks for the link. I usually do google, but I have no idea regarding radon what is good advise and what is not. I'll check out your link. I have a log house, the first floor is completely underground (this is also where the test took place). It's also where the master bedroom is and the den where the computer is, so it's where I spend a majority of my time.

justlurking  posted on  2005-05-02   19:01:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#486. To: justlurking (#485)

You will probably find that the best solution will be good ventilation.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-05-02   21:56:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#487. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#486)

That's what I read from your site (very good one too). There is only one door that comes in from the outside down here, no windows at all since this floor is underground. I am thinking now of adding a screen door on and letting it ventilate that way. Just not sure if it will be enough. But the wind does come in from that direction most of the time, so it might be.

Thanks again for the site.

justlurking  posted on  2005-05-02   22:02:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#488. To: justlurking (#487)

I suspect there are some good monitors available. It might be worth checking them out to see if they're cost effective. At least that way you will know how long it takes for it to build up and how often to air the place out.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-05-02   23:08:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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