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Title: 9/11 Truth: Steven Jones on WTC 7 and Controlled Demolition
Source: 9/11 Truth conference
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pJQ2yZfTY0
Published: Feb 20, 2007
Author: Steven Jones
Post Date: 2007-02-20 00:41:08 by robin
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Views: 13946
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Steven Jones speaks at the Chicago 9/11 Steven Jones speaks at the Chicago 9/11 Truth conference (June 2006) about World Trade Center Building 7 and the case for controlled demolition of all three towers. This is just ten minutes from a longer lecture that you can find in its entirety on Google Video here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2436472348579687382

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#3. To: robin, ALL (#0)

I've decided this should be posted on any 9/11 conspiracy thread that suggests something other than planes caused the WTC and Pentagon damage:

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-02-20   14:16:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: BeAChooser (#3)

I'm just curious.

Do you have a low intellect, like to be a troll or do you get paid for your dellusions.

intotheabyss  posted on  2007-02-20   14:19:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: intotheabyss, ALL (#4)

Do you have a low intellect, like to be a troll or do you get paid for your dellusions.

You didn't find it funny and appropriate?

Tell me, what do you know about Steven Jones?

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-02-20   14:26:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: BeAChooser (#5)

You didn't find it funny and appropriate?

I love having shills like you around. I find you very entertaining.

Pathological people only make up 2% of the pop.

I get to see up front what someone is like that has no conscience and has no problem selling out their fellow man.

Keep up the good work.

intotheabyss  posted on  2007-02-20   14:35:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: intotheabyss, ALL (#6)

Tell me, what do you know about Steven Jones?

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-02-20   14:40:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: BeAChooser (#7)

Keep up the good work.

Like clockwork. How does it feel to be so predictable?

intotheabyss  posted on  2007-02-20   14:42:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: intotheabyss, ALL (#8)

Tell me, what do you know about Steven Jones?

Anything at all?

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-02-20   14:50:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: BeAChooser (#10)

I know he isn't part of the Bush administration, which lends instant credibility.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-02-20   15:04:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull, ALL (#11)

I know he isn't part of the Bush administration,

He also isn't a professor at BYU anymore.

And the entire structural engineering department at BYU said his assertions weren't supported by the facts.

Anything more you want to tell us about Steven Jones?

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-02-20   15:10:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: BeAChooser (#13)

And the entire structural engineering department at BYU said his assertions weren't supported by the facts.

Linky please.

Jones, btw, isn't the 1st to be silenced by this pack of blood thirsty pigs, but you knew that I'm sure.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-02-20   15:15:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Jethro Tull, ALL (#17)

"And the entire structural engineering department at BYU said his assertions weren't supported by the facts."

Linky please.

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From here:

Category: News & Opinion (Specific) Topic: Conspiracy: 9/11 - Alleged Coverups
Synopsis: Structural engineering faculty of BYU repudiate Jones
Source: Ira A. Fulton College News
Published: November 1, 2005 Author: BYU College of Engineering and Technology
For Education and Discussion Only. Not for Commercial Use.

Brigham Young University has a policy of academic freedom that supports the pursuit and dissemination of knowledge and ideas. Through the academic process, ideas should be advanced, challenged, and debated by peer-review in credible venues. We believe in the integrity of the academic review process and that, when it is followed properly, peer-review is valuable for evaluating the validity of ideas and conclusions.

The University is aware that Professor Steven Jones's hypotheses and interpretations of evidence regarding the collapse of World Trade Center buildings are being questioned by a number of scholars and practitioners, including many of BYU's own faculty members. Professor Jones's department and college administrators are not convinced that his analyses and hypotheses have been submitted to relevant scientific venues that would ensure rigorous technical peer review. The structural engineering faculty in the Fulton College of Engineering and Technology do not support the hypotheses of Professor Jones.

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Jones, btw, isn't the 1st to be silenced by this pack of blood thirsty pigs

First what? Sub-atomic particle physicist? ROTFLOL!

And by the way, he wasn't silenced. He resigned. Seemed quite happy about it. And he's still out there talking.

What else don't you know about Steven Jones, Jethro?

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-02-20   15:28:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: BeAChooser (#21)

The structural engineering faculty in the Fulton College of Engineering and Technology do not support the hypotheses of Professor Jones.

Of course they don't, they don't want to lose their funding!

You know that!

Diana  posted on  2007-02-22   9:08:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Diana, ALL (#45)

The structural engineering faculty in the Fulton College of Engineering and Technology do not support the hypotheses of Professor Jones.

Of course they don't, they don't want to lose their funding!

Are you saying the structural engineers at BYU know that it was a controlled demolition that killed about 3000 Americans but aren't saying word one about that because of the all mighty dollar? Why that would make them truly EVIL, wouldn't it, Diana? Perhaps you should write them and tell them what you think of them.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-02-22   14:05:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: BeAChooser (#67)

Are you saying the structural engineers at BYU know that it was a controlled demolition that killed about 3000 Americans but aren't saying word one about that because of the all mighty dollar? Why that would make them truly EVIL, wouldn't it, Diana?

Yes that would make them evil if they really thought that the towers were brought down with a explosives yet would not admit it. However it could be that they are not evil, but rather stupid. I think you give structural engineers way too much credit for being smart. The ones I know aren't exactly rocket scientists.

RickyJ  posted on  2007-02-22   14:50:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: RickyJ, BeAChooser (#81)

The exposives detonating are visible in small plumes of smoke from the sides of the buildings, just under the line of fall. There is a name for this in the demolition industry, that is so well acquainted with them.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds12.html

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/theories/explosives.html

robin  posted on  2007-02-22   14:58:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: robin, ALL (#84)

The exposives detonating are visible in small plumes of smoke from the sides of the buildings, just under the line of fall.

No, what is visible is air, compressed by the collapse, blowing out windows below the line of fall. You do know that the building was 95 percent air? Where do you think that air went as the building collapsed, robin?

There is a name for this in the demolition industry, that is so well acquainted with them.

Curious that no demolition expert in the world says that WTC 1 and WTC 2 were controlled demolitions and many have said they weren't.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-02-22   15:07:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: BeAChooser (#91)

Curious that no demolition expert in the world says that WTC 1 and WTC 2 were controlled demolitions and many have said they weren't.

That's a lie.

RickyJ  posted on  2007-02-22   15:09:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: RickyJ, BeAChooser, *9-11* (#94)

Curious that no demolition expert in the world says that WTC 1 and WTC 2 were controlled demolitions and many have said they weren't.

That's a lie.

Yes it is.

Start with this one:

Controlled Demolition Expert and WTC7 (original subtitles)

robin  posted on  2007-02-22   15:10:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: robin, rickyj, ALL (#95)

Curious that no demolition expert in the world says that WTC 1 and WTC 2 were controlled demolitions and many have said they weren't.

That's a lie.

Yes it is.

Start with this one:

Controlled Demolition Expert and WTC7 (original subtitles)

ROTFLOL! I hate to tell you, robin, but Mr Jowenko has specifically stated that the collapse of WTC 1 and WTC 2 were clearly NOT controlled demolitions.

http://screwloosechangedebunked.wordpress.com/2006/09/18/not-a-single-demolition-firm/ "The Jowenko video on youtube is edited to show Jowenko’s reaction to the WTC7 collapse which he does indeed opine is a CD. However the portion of the show where Jowenko states that WTC 1 and 2 were clearly NOT CD has been edited out."

And didn't you know that Jowenko based his opinion about WTC7 SOLELY on a video tape supplied by conspiracists and that he didn’t know that it happened on 9/11, didn’t know the building was on fire, and didn't know that firemen had observed the structure leaning long before the collapse and were sure it would collapse?

And you might want to check out this

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=63884

because Jowenko appears to have some rather kooky ideas.

You will never find the truth on a foundation of misinformation, robin.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-02-22   15:23:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: BeAChooser (#100)

On Sept 14, a demolition expert who works for the Pentagon, professor Van Romero, said that upon his viewing of the collapse videos, he believed that it was a controlled demolition. Prof Romero later retracted his statement in mysterious circumstances, refusing to say why and refusing to offer any alternative scenario, simply saying that he wasn't prepared to say what did or didn't happen, and didn't want to talk about it anymore.

http://911closeup.com/index.shtml?ID=51

robin  posted on  2007-02-22   15:35:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#109. To: BeAChooser (#108)

WTC1 and WTC2 weres no ordinary demolitions.

http://www.rense.com/general67/9118.htm

http://letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html

THE EXPERTS SPEAK OUT

Asked about these spikes seismologist Arthur Lerner-Lam, director of Columbia University's Center for Hazards and Risk Research told the American Free Press, "This is an element of current research and discussion. It is still being investigated." According to Lerner-Lam, "The ground shaking that resulted from the collapse of the towers was extremely small."

A "sharp spike of short duration" is how seismologist Thorne Lay of Univ. of California at Santa Cruz told AFP an underground explosion appears on a seismograph. Another seismologist, Won-Young Kim, stated that the Palisades seismographs register daily underground explosions from a quarry 20 miles away. These blasts are caused by 80,000 lbs. of ammonium nitrate and cause local earthquakes between Magnitude 1 and 2.

Evidently, the energy source that shook the ground beneath the towers was many times more powerful than the total potential energy released by the falling mass of the huge towers.

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A call was placed to Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) who arrived on the WTC site two days later and wrote the clean-up plan for the entire operation

American Free Press asked Loizeaux about the report of molten steel on the site. "Yes," he said, "hot spots of molten steel in the basements." These incredibly hot areas were found "at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels," Loizeaux said. The molten steel was found "three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed," Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon.

What could have caused those box columns of 4-inch thick steel to melt like this?

robin  posted on  2007-02-22 15:50:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: robin, ALL (#108)

On Sept 14, a demolition expert who works for the Pentagon, professor Van Romero, said that upon his viewing of the collapse videos, he believed that it was a controlled demolition. Prof Romero later retracted his statement in mysterious circumstances, refusing to say why and refusing to offer any alternative scenario, simply saying that he wasn't prepared to say what did or didn't happen, and didn't want to talk about it anymore.

False. Romero stated quite clearly why he retracted his first impression that the destruction was a demolition. He said he changed his story after looking at more detailed videos and the rest of the information that was gathered.

Futhermore, Romero is NOT an demolition expert. Here is his resume:

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http://infohost.nmt.edu/~red/van.html

"Van D. Romero, Ph.D.

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Current Employment

Since 1997: Vice President for Research and Economic Development, New Mexico Tech., Serves as chief official of the Research and Economic Development Division responsible for the encouragement, leadership, and support of research at the Institute and for the administrative and policy making activities of the division; offers dynamic research and administrative leadership to stimulate, coordinate, and provide support for the research at New Mexico Tech; acts as advocate for research within the Institute; serves as director of the Geophysical Research Center; manages the research support functions of the Research Division; serves as the Institute's representative and on-campus administrator for the Waste-Management Education and Research Consortium; acts as an external advocate and representative for New Mexico Tech's research activities; serves as mentor to new faculty to help them establish their research programs at the Institute; strongly encourages diversity and affirmative action; identifies research opportunities and actively encourages development of interdisciplinary research at the institute; ensures that high quality proposals are submitted by the Institute."

Previous Experience

1995-1997: Director, Energetic Materials Research & Testing Center, Direct and manage a multi-disciplinary team of scientists, engineers, and staff involved in RDT&E programs in energetic materials. EMRTC provides a working laboratory for conducting research in support of both government and commercial programs in the areas of ordnance, explosives, propellants and other energetic materials. Facilities include over 30 separate test sites, gun ranges and research labs located within a 32 square mile field laboratory. Developed and implemented counter-terrorist program that benefits research and academic programs.

1994 - 1995: Senior Member Technical Staff, Sandia National Lab, Albuquerque, NM. Conducted Environmental Impact Assessment for Medical Isotope Production program. Program consisted of converting weapons program facility to produce radio-isotopes for medical usage.

1993 - 1994: Deputy Director of Environmental, Safety and Health Oversight; Manager, Hazardous Waste Programs, Superconducting Super Collider, Dallas, TX. Developed and implemented radiation protection policies compatible with DOE orders and CFR regulations, performed liaison activities with DOE, and provided technical direction to radiation and hazardous waste program. Responsible for the development and review of radiation transport calculations, shielding design, health physics procedures, mixed waste procedures, and environmental monitoring activities. Served as Chairman of the Laboratory's ALARA committee and member of DOE's R&D Laboratory Working Group (RADWG) Health Physics Procedures Committee. Responsible for RCRA compliance during project closure.

1979 - 1993: Manager, Thermal Hydraulic Programs, General Electric Knolls Atomic Power Lab, Schenectady, NY. Responsible for both the technical and personnel management of the group. Key participant in the long term planning and direction of both the research and the facilities construction and maintenance. Group responsibilities included thermodynamic and materials testing and analysis of fuel channels, steam generators, and in-core materials. This work determined the thermodynamic limits for the nuclear reactor which will power the next generation submarine scheduled for delivery at the turn of the century. In previous work as Lead Engineer, was responsible for the experimental fluid mechanics effort and developed LASER instrumentation and techniques for flow visualization and quantitative flow measurements. Additional experience includes the development, execution, and analysis of environmental impact testing of nuclear sub marines which includes radiation transport analysis, neutron detection, and gamma ray spectroscopy."

Current Funded Research Activities

* Experimental verification of the alpha-omega effect for galaxy formation with Los Alamos National Laboratories.
* Develop groundwater activation model that can be used to optimize the design for acceleration production of tritium with DOE.
* Seismic source investigation, modeling and characterization of currently deployed explosive sources, design and computational testing of improved explosive sources, experimental verification and validation of improved sources - Western Geophysical (students - recruiting, post-doc and graduate in Geophysics).
* Resusable blast test fixture, investigate explosive impact on wide-body aircraft with FAA.

Courses Taught

* Graduate and undergraduate courses in Solid State Physics and Particle Physics for the Physics Department
* Course in Explosives Surety for the Chemical Engineering Department

Patents Held

* Procedure to study Bubble Evolution by correcting scattered LASER light and dynamic pressure signals

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So we learn that at the time of 9/11 he wasn't even working in the field of explosives. We learn that for ONLY 2 or 3 years he ran a group that focused on ordnance, explosives and energetic materials ... and not so much the effects of them on structures but the characteristics of the explosives themselves. Certainly there is no mention of him or any organization he worked for working on explosive demolition of structures or buildings. And we learn that prior to 1995, he conducted Environmental Impact Assessments, implemented radiation protection policies and investigated thermodynamic limits for the nuclear reactors.

That's hardly the resume of the explosives, demolition and structures *expert* you want him to be. In fact take a look at his publications. You won't find one word about demolition or structures in those titles. And hardly a mention of explosives.

You seem to live in a world of misinformation, robin. Not a good foundation for finding the truth.

BeAChooser  posted on  2007-02-22 16:12:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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