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Title: Why the towers fell: Two theories [by a civil engineer]
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URL Source: http://www.vermontguardian.com/commentary/032007/TwinTowers.shtml
Published: Mar 1, 2007
Author: William Rice
Post Date: 2007-04-17 16:30:39 by honway
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Why the towers fell: Two theories

By William Rice

William Rice, P.E., is a registered professional civil engineer who worked on structural steel (and concrete) buildings in Boston, New York, and Philadelphia. He was also a professor at Vermont Technical College where he taught engineering materials, structures lab, and other building related courses,

Posted March 1, 2007

Having worked on structural steel buildings as a civil engineer in the era when the Twin Towers were designed and constructed, I found some disturbing discrepancies and omissions concerning their collapse on 9/11.

I was particularly interested in the two PBS documentaries that explained the prevailing theories as determined by two government agencies, FEMA and NIST (National Institute of Science and Technology). The first (2002) PBS documentary, Why the Towers Fell, discussed how the floor truss connectors failed and caused a “progressive pancake collapse.”

The subsequent 2006 repackaged documentary Building on Ground Zero explained that the connectors held, but that the columns failed, which is also unlikely. Without mentioning the word “concrete,” the latter documentary compared the three-second collapse of the concrete Oklahoma City Murrah Federal Building with that of the Twin Towers that were of structural steel. The collapse of a concrete-framed building cannot be compared with that of a structural steel-framed building.

Since neither documentary addressed many of the pertinent facts, I took the time to review available material, combine it with scientific and historic facts, and submit the following two theories for consideration.

The prevailing theory

The prevailing theory for the collapse of the 110-story, award-winning Twin Towers is that when jetliners flew into the 95th and 80th floors of the North and South Towers respectively, they severed several of each building’s columns and weakened other columns with the burning of jet fuel/kerosene (and office combustibles).

However, unlike concrete buildings, structural steel buildings redistribute the stress when several columns are removed and the undamaged structural framework acts as a truss network to bridge over the missing columns.

After the 1993 car bomb explosion destroyed columns in the North Tower, John Skilling, the head structural engineer for the Twin Towers, was asked about an airplane strike. He explained that the Twin Towers were originally designed to withstand the impact of a Boeing 707 (similar in size to the Boeing 767). He went on to say that there would be a horrendous fire from the jet fuel, but “the building structure would still be there.”

The 10,000 gallons of jet fuel (half capacity) in each jetliner did cause horrendous fires over several floors, but it would not cause the steel members to melt or even lose sufficient strength to cause a collapse. This is because the short-duration jet fuel fires and office combustible fires cannot create (or transmit to the steel) temperatures hot enough. If a structural steel building could collapse because of fire, it would do so slowly as the various steel members gradually relinquished their structural strength. However, in the 100-year history of structural-steel framed buildings, there is no evidence of any structural steel framed building having collapsed because of fire.

Let’s assume the unlikelihood that these fires could weaken all of the columns to the same degree of heat intensity and thus remove their structural strength equally over the entire floor, or floors, in order to cause the top 30-floor building segment (South Tower WTC #2) to drop vertically and evenly onto the supporting 79th floor. The 30 floors from above would then combine with the 79th floor and fall onto the next level down (78th floor) crushing its columns evenly and so on down into the seven levels below the street level.

The interesting fact is that each of these 110-story Twin Towers fell upon itself in about ten seconds at nearly free-fall speed. This violates Newton’s Law of Conservation of Momentum that would require that as the stationary inertia of each floor is overcome by being hit, the mass (weight) increases and the free-fall speed decreases.

Even if Newton’s Law is ignored, the prevailing theory would have us believe that each of the Twin Towers inexplicably collapsed upon itself crushing all 287 massive columns on each floor while maintaining a free-fall speed as if the 100,000, or more, tons of supporting structural-steel framework underneath didn’t exist.

The politically unthinkable theory

Controlled demolition is so politically unthinkable that the media not only demeans the messenger but also ridicules and “debunks” the message rather than provide investigative reporting. Curiously, it took 441 days for the president’s 9/11 Commission to start an “investigation” into a tragedy where more than 2,500 WTC lives were taken. The Commission’s investigation also didn’t include the possibility of controlled-demolition, nor did it include an investigation into the “unusual and unprecedented” manner in which WTC Building #7 collapsed.

The media has basically kept the collapse of WTC Building #7 hidden from public view. However, instead of the Twin Towers, let’s consider this building now. Building #7 was a 47-story structural steel World Trade Center Building that also collapsed onto itself at free-fall speed on 9/11. This structural steel building was not hit by a jetliner, and collapsed seven hours after the Twin Towers collapsed and five hours after the firemen had been ordered to vacate the building and a collapse safety zone had been cordoned off. Both of the landmark buildings on either side received relatively little structural damage and both continue in use today.

Contrary to the sudden collapse of the Twin Towers and Building #7, the four other smaller World Trade Center buildings #3, #4, #5, and #6, which were severely damaged and engulfed in flames on 9/11, still remained standing. There were no reports of multiple explosions. The buildings had no pools of molten metal (a byproduct of explosives) at the base of their elevator shafts. They created no huge caustic concrete/cement and asbestos dust clouds (only explosives will pulverize concrete into a fine dust cloud), and they propelled no heavy steel beams horizontally for three hundred feet or more.

The collapse of WTC building #7, which housed the offices of the CIA, the Secret Service, and the Department of Defense, among others, was omitted from the government’s 9/11 Commission Report, and its collapse has yet to be investigated. Perhaps it is time for these and other unanswered questions surrounding 9/11 to be thoroughly investigated. Let’s start by contacting our congressional delegation.

William Rice, P.E., is a registered professional civil engineer who worked on structural steel (and concrete) buildings in Boston, New York, and Philadelphia. He was also a professor at Vermont Technical College where he taught engineering materials, structures lab, and other building related courses. Subscribe to *9-11*

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#41. To: Paul Revere (#40)

Yes, diversion/disruption appears to be his main objective. One way to counter it is to know when to quit replying to his replies. When you have made a point that effectively answers all his previous objections, that is the time to quit. The entire thread is there for people to absorb, if they take the time, and if the "knock-out" reply is enough, the thoughtful people will see it. Even if the readers don't "get it" in real-time, they can go back through the archives and see for themselves who was right and who was wrong. Sure, he will crow a NON SEQUITUR that he "won" if he gets in the last word. In the case of the invasion and occupation of Iraq, everyone knows now that he was wrong about everything. You have to be patient, but the truth will out.

roughrider  posted on  2007-04-21   6:23:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: nolu_chan (#39)

Another aspect people overlook is all the mechanical floors were not the truss design but conventual heavy girder contruction to support the mechanicals of each 1/3 of the towers.

Mark

"I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer

Kamala  posted on  2007-04-21   7:59:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: roughrider (#41)

It doesn't matter what one posts to "IT". Wether you provide links, pictures or paragraphs. Thats why I have never provided any links to "IT". Why feed "IT" any info that "IT" could split hairs with.

Mark

"I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer

Kamala  posted on  2007-04-21   8:02:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Paul Revere (#40)

I have concluded that the only purpose BAC has here is to derail all 9-11 discussions with spam filled posts and outrageous claims. He's the Donald Segretti showing up to sabotage an open forum and make it his agenda.

You're right. There's no shortage of examples. And it doesn't matter if someone has real life experience in matters pertinent to the tower collapse incident, he/she/it will try to discredit them. In that attempt, there may be a link included to prove his/her/its point, and in quoting from that link only the "convenient" information is told; but when an important part of the information from that link is brought out that he/she/it didn't mention, it results in more ridicule. Moreover, he/she/it also adamantly and openly refuses to answer ANY other glaring pertinent inconsistencies and/or questions concerning 9/11

You're not the only one. But like you said, it's to little avail...

No matter how noble the objectives of a government; if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion - it is an EVIL government. Eric Hoffer

innieway  posted on  2007-04-21   11:46:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: nolu_chan, ALL (#39)

In your idiocy, you asserted that prior to the White Paper in 1964, the design had been COMPLETED.

The design of the major structural elements of the towers surely had to have been completed by February 1964. Otherwise, Skilling could not possibly have completed an analysis of the structure's ability to survive a high speed plane crash that he published a White Paper about on February 3, 1964.

Referring to the White Paper of February 3, 1964, you blathered at #18, "This was a back of the envelope calculation done AFTER the design was complete."

You can't have it both ways NC. Either the White Paper is simply nonsense based on an incomplete design or the design (as far as what would be necessary to determine the resistance of the towers to plane impact) was completed by February 3, 1964. And since it must have taken some time to do the analysis that is claimed and write the White Paper, that would imply the design was essentially finished before January 1964.

AFTER 1964, Robertson's original engineering design plan had to be scrapped because tests in 1965 showed the buildings would sway beyond the limits of human tolerance. As Glanz and Lipton wrote in the New York Times, "Even today, Robertson has no trouble conjuring what two towers full of seasick office workers would have meant: 'A billion dollars right down the tube.' So he went back to work."

But he didn't change the essential structure during that revision. The revision must have consisted of very few changes because the articles you linked and quoted from 1964 and earlier show design details (size of columns, spacing, steel strengths, etc) that agree quite well with the final design. And indeed, the article you quote doesn't say the revision involved changes in the major structure.

What he did not take into account was the extraordinary conditions of an intense, violent fire. Girders and beams would be far superior under those circumstances. Thin steel elements heat up and soften faster than thick ones.

Your article is telling us that contrary to what the CT community has been saying, the WTC tower design was MORE vulnerable to fire than other steel skyscrapers (which usually uses girders and beams)? Well ... perhaps that explains why they were the first skyscrapers to collapse due to fire.

They chose not to use thick masonry or cement to encase the three escape stairways in each tower but rather light sheets of gypsum. Although the gypsum was extremely resistant to fire, and less likely than masonry to crack when the building swayed in the wind, it would work only if it remained intact -- and it was much more susceptible to being shaken loose or damaged by an explosion or any other kind of unexpected impact.

Oh my goodness ... yet another difference between the WTC tower design and most other skyscraper designs. One that again makes the towers MORE vulnerable to fire if a plane crash has occurred.

Wind-tunnel experiments in Fort Collins, Colo., confirmed that Robertson's initial design would sway far beyond those human tolerances,

Are you finally admitting that it was Robertson's design ... not Skilling's. Good for you.

Still, he recalls that he addressed the question of an airplane collision, if only to satisfy his engineer's curiosity. For whatever reason, Robertson took the time to calculate how well his towers would handle the impact from a Boeing 707, the largest jetliner in service at the time. He says that his calculations assumed a plane lost in a fog while searching for an airport at relatively low speed, like the B-25 bomber. He concluded that the towers would remain standing despite the force of the impact and the hole it would punch out.

Again, what YOU posted says Robertson did look at the tower's performance for a low speed plane lost in fog, not a high speed impact. And one more point ... this points out that Robertson, like Skilling, did an analysis AFTER the design was done. Crash of planes into the towers was apparently not a DESIGN LOAD so it is incorrect to claim that the towers were DESIGNED for even this plane crash. It's just fortuitous for them that calculations showed the towers would survive a plane impact. Otherwise, they might have had to redesign the whole tower. Right?

The new technologies he had installed after the motion experiments and wind-tunnel work had created a structure more than strong enough to withstand such a blow.

New technologies? That doesn't sound like he just added thickness to steel members or increased the steel strengths, does it? Let's see ... what could they be talking about? Maybe the outrigger space frame which linked the outside wall to the services core? No ... that was part of the initial concept. Wait! I know what they are talking about. http://www.nae.edu/nae/bridgecom.nsf/weblinks/CGOZ-58NLCB "A viscoelastic damping system was invented and patented to ameliorate the wind-induced dynamic component of building motion by dissipating much of the energy of that motion . . . acting more or less like shock absorbers in an automobile. With these dampers, we could control the swaying motion without having to use large quantities of structural steel. This was the first time engineered dampers were used to resist the wind-induced swaying motion of a building."

Now my question to you is this. Do you think those viscoelastic dampers significantly affected the resistance of the towers to plane impact? Or increased it's fire resistance? Or affected the way the tower would collapse once fire did its thing? No? Then I don't know why you even bring this up in this debate other than muddy the waters and keep folks from seeing the essential issues.

Robertson's assertion of being unaware of the Wein ad and the political battle is not credible. Perhaps Robertson performed only an imaginary study consisting of nothing more than some propaganda released to the press, or he blew smoke at the architect.

Fine. If you want to claim that no study of the tower's resistance to aircraft impact was performed, that's ok with me. Because I thought it is the CT community that insists the towers were DESIGNED to survive multiple high speed plane crashes.

What are you going to do, NC ... just ignore the real mystery here?

The link YOU PROVIDED tells us that the concept for the towers was just explained to Skilling in April of 2004. Yet he published his White Paper (where you claim he did a design analysis of the towers) in February 3, 1964. Impossible? Yes.

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BeAChooser  posted on  2007-04-21   17:12:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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