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Title: Photo Evidence of US Military Psyop [Cho Seung Hui]
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cho_Seung-hui
Published: Apr 19, 2007
Author: wikipedia via LF
Post Date: 2007-04-19 07:05:54 by Itisa1mosttoolate
Keywords: None
Views: 1703
Comments: 103


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32 dead? Pretty good shooten. (1 image)

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#1. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

You can get that stuff at any military surplus store.

I owned a Glock. Easy shooting, anyone can do what he did. Takes less than five minutes to learn to use the pistol.

"Be convinced that to be happy means to be free and that to be free means to be brave. Therefore do not take lightly the perils of war." -- Thucydides

YertleTurtle  posted on  2007-04-19   7:12:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: YertleTurtle (#1)

anyone can do....

anyone? Why do we "practice"?

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2007-04-19   7:18:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: YertleTurtle (#1)

What happened at VT is a culmination of mass psychosis of the left. The kid was insane, a threat to himself and others, yet privacy laws didn’t allow VT to share that information with his parents or the authorities. People with overt mental illness do not deserve to have access to guns.

Dempsy  posted on  2007-04-19   7:46:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Dempsy (#3)

People with overt mental illness do not deserve to have access to guns.

Especially if they are taking mind altering drugs !

14th Amendment / Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. [You have the right to remain silent, shut up and pay your taxes peasants ... hehehehehe].

noone222  posted on  2007-04-19   7:51:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: noone222 (#4)

Especially if they are taking mind altering drugs !

That would effectively eliminate app. 90% of America's population, given that alcohol is indeed mind altering.

Dempsy  posted on  2007-04-19   8:00:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Dempsy (#5) (Edited)

given that alcohol is indeed mind altering.

MADD ... Mothers Against Deadly Drunks

DAMM ... Drunks Against Mad Mothers

Maybe, I should have said "Mind Altering PRESCRIPTION Drugs"

I'm not aware of any case of mass murder under the influence of alcohol other than WAR, but admit it is possible.

14th Amendment / Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. [You have the right to remain silent, shut up and pay your taxes peasants ... hehehehehe].

noone222  posted on  2007-04-19   8:03:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

Make your point. What are you attempting to say?

"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi

angle  posted on  2007-04-19   8:27:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: angle (#7)

Make your point. What are you attempting to say?

OK

The electorate REJECTS Bush's "WAR POLICY"

The best way to 'erase this from the publics' mind is to FLOOD it with 24/7 'news' coverage like:

- Anna Marie Cole

- Don Imus

- and now A sharp shooter (with a pistol?) killing 32 people

Can you say MKULTRA?

How about a DISTRACTION FROM THIS:

Gonzales caught in perjury by new e-mail
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/16/182844/610

http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=184235&Disp=0 Possible (Likely) Reason(s) For 24/7 News [stories]

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2007-04-19   8:39:20 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#8)

Yes, motive certainly exists, but these allegations need more substance than just your surmising.

"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi

angle  posted on  2007-04-19   8:47:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: angle (#9)

but these allegations need more substance than just your surmising.

OK

The V-Tech Massacre - A Real-Life Manchurian Candidate

Virginia Tech University student eyewitnesses repeatedly recall the robotic, detached demeanor of the killer, Seung-Hui Cho.

* he killed with unconscious abandon
* his victims were random
* he did not kill in self-defense

This type behaviour can be construed as indicative of mind control, and/or advanced behavioural modification through the use of mechanical devices such as computer micro-chip implants.

Facts:

Virginia Tech is located in Blacksburg, VA.

Blacksburg, VA houses a US government ABOVE TOP SECRET underground laboratory (in the side of a local Blacksburg mountain) that develops in conjunction with DARPA, weapons such as human robotic mind control programming

Virginia Tech focus:

* bio mechanics and tissue cell engineering
* biomedical engineering
* DNA splicing
* studies the impact of new technologies on human behavior
* departments for disaster-related trauma in children (reporting directly to Laura Bush)
* works on human, crop, and animal diseases
* helps advance science similar to insect/disease-resistant crop seed from Monsanto

More on Virginia Tech:

* has on-campus experts in avian influenza H5N1, "the bird flu"
* active partner with DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency)
* actively works on neuroengineering projects (mind control) * Virginia Tech students are frequently recruited by the CIA

V-Tech received and continues to receive grants for millions from DARPA

DARPA - a key to what is eroding the soul of America - and the world

DARPA's list of interests: ($500 million spent since 2001)
* superior artificial intelligence technology
* mind-controlled battle robots
* un-manned airplanes that can be flown with nothing more than thought
* remote voice command systems
* autonomous pre-programmed combat soldiers * advanced human chip implant devices

DARPA is the Pentagon's research arm http://www.darpa.mil/

DARPA together with Virginia Tech University is heavily involved in nanoscience and nanotechnology with special emphasis on diagnosis of the human brain to test nanoparticles.

Possible goals of the V-Tech student slaughter:

* real-world application of the "perfect weapon"
* garner support for gun control/ban
* create diversions
--same day of debate to stop war funding/pulling troops out (Congress, DOD, Pentagon, WH)
--Alberto Gonzales/state attorneys firing
--AIPAC Spy Trial
http://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2007/04/judge-rejects-request-for-secret-aipac.html

Cover up/defense:

* deliver to the public a single, lone-nut fall guy

Support groups:

* mainstream media
* expert psychiatric analysis of scapegoat
* breadcrumb trail of manufactured evidence
* naive, ignorant public

Notes:

* all new Virginia Tech buildings on campus are constructed of native limestone (same as Egyptian Great Pyramid) a neutral substance with stable frequency transfer and resonance response

* Virginia Tech is one of only three public universities in the United States to support both a military and a non-military student lifestyle

* most Virginia Tech alumni are, or have been actively involved with NASA

* Virginia Tech University boasts a high-performance-grid computing network; connects with the National Lambda Rail, a national fiber-optic backbone linking research laboratories with supercomputing, storage and visualization capabilities

Video:

The emotionless "Manchurian Candidate" speaks about his brothers/sisters (brotherhood?) http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1261402,00.html

Summary:

Virginia Tech brings together the best minds in the country who are interested in technology thereby creating a pool of potential candidates from which DARPA, the CIA and other government agencies can actively solicit recruits into their "brotherhood" -- a campaign to erect a superior "race" of mechanically engineered beings while simultaneouly reducing human populations and enslaving mankind to serve its future robot masters.

More reading on the subject:

"If we are to believe the emerging timeline of events, Cho Seung-Hui killed a woman and her RA in a dorm, went back to his dorm and captured a QuickTime video rant, burned a DVD, trekked to the post office with two 9mm weapons in tow, mailed the DVD, along with photos and miscellaneous writings to NBC, and then marched over to Norris Hall and killed another thirty or so people execution-style." ---Kurt Nimmo

The Cho Seung-Hui Video Show http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=835

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2007-04-19   9:03:18 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#10)

Thanks for the research and information.

Dr.Ron Paul for President

Lod  posted on  2007-04-19   9:23:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#10)

I heard one of the Cho videos he said 'we continue to sacrifice'...

I was interested to see who would be the first one to use that term...Bush hasn't so far..

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2007-04-19   9:23:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#10) (Edited)

[angle, i pulled the link as it was altering the format of the thread]

"I found it interesting that this guy's own sister is a Princeton graduate, who is now working at Department of State through a conduit called MacNeil Industries, which has support and construction contracts in the current Iraq debacle."

You've established what exactly. Is the guy in the picture Cho? How do you know? Who's next to him? I don't disagree that there is strong motive for the criminals to effect a horror like this, but more is needed to make an accusation.

"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi

angle  posted on  2007-04-19   9:26:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: YertleTurtle (#1)

I owned a Glock. Easy shooting, anyone can do what he did. Takes less than five minutes to learn to use the pistol.

You're so full of it.

Learning to shoot to kill with a pistol is not something one learns quickly. In fact, learning to shoot a pistol doesn't happen that quickly. One has to learn not to discharge his weapon on the way up to the target. One has to learn to bring the weapon up, point, and shoot, then absorb the kick and repeat.

You need to stop acting like you're expert on handling and firing guns. It's clear to me you are not, and I doubt you've ever even been in the military, or you wouldn't make such dumb and audacious comments.

Based upon what you've said thus far, I wouldn't let you RELOAD my magazines, muchless shoot a pistol.

More and more, you strike me as someone who simply wants to create friction here, not light.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-19   9:26:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#10)

Thanks for posting that, but you're wasting your time trying to discuss this with your detractors. Those guys specialize in disinformation, redirecting threads to some extraneous point they create. Ignore them entirely, and focus on those who do know something about government and military operations. Angle and Mertle Turtle don't.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-19   9:31:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

from what i read, this guy just lined em up against the wall and shot them.

plus, lets remember that combat simulators and first person shooter games are so useful that the military uses them as well. so you can now have couch commandos who spend years in front of combat simulators via the xbox or whatever.

to me, the real discrepancy here is the complete lack, once again, to follow any sort of reasonable or established protocol that is undoubtedly in place for emergency situations with the police and the university.

waiting 2 hours, notifying via email, the police, who like in columbine, did nothing at all, and looked like they had the worst of the bunch working that day, all those things can't simply be written off as an ooopsie.

to me i don't see that as anything but planned incompetence. (neologism, and a beauty).

planned incompetence is the way all black ops are run, just look at 911.

"Inability to accept the mystic experience is more than an intellectual handicap. Lack of awareness of the basic unity of organism and environment is a serious and dangerous hallucination. For in a civilization equipped with immense technological power, the sense of alienation between man and nature leads to the use of technology in a hostile spirit---to the "conquest" of nature instead of intelligent co-operation with nature." -Alan Watts /

gengis gandhi  posted on  2007-04-19   10:34:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Dempsy (#3)

What happened at VT is a culmination of mass psychosis of the left

privacy laws didn’t allow VT to share that information

So leftists favor "privacy" and righties don't?

Just to be clear on your definitions...

It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-19   10:51:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: bluedogtxn (#17)

In this case, yes. The system of American higher "education" is a viper’s nest of leftist sperm, whose sole mission is to indoctrinate our youth. This psychotic was ID as a head case in '05? and VTs response was to do squat. Go ahead and research these federal privacy laws, but I'd bet they weren't hatched by the Federalist Society.

Dempsy  posted on  2007-04-19   11:03:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Dempsy (#18)

In this case, yes. The system of American higher "education" is a viper’s nest of leftist sperm, whose sole mission is to indoctrinate our youth.

I think you give the "lefties" too much credit. While it is true that English Departments, Sociology departments and Poli-Sci departments probably sport a disproportionate number of "lefties", there are plenty of conservatives in the business schools and in the science departments.

As for the "privacy" issue, the first champions of that were righties like Barry Goldwater, the classic conservative, who would have abhorred the nanny state idea that the government should pick up and grab someone just because someone else (in this case a bunch of leftie English profs, including, God Forbid, a self-styled "poet") had sensed something threatening about him.

If you paid attention to the facts of this particular case, you would have seen that it was the "lefties" who were kicking him out of classes, reporting him to the school shrink and complaining about the morbid nature of his essays.

Of course, paying attention to the facts and identities of the case would require an understanding that nothing about this case fits into a neat idealogical framework like "left" and "right", that this is a colossal tragedy for everyone, and that incompetence knows no idealogical preferences.

It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-19   11:17:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: bluedogtxn (#19)

If you paid attention to the facts of this particular case, you would have seen that it was the "lefties" who were kicking him out of classes, reporting him to the school shrink and complaining about the morbid nature of his essays.

That liberal attempt at punishment occurred in '05. Fast forward two years to this weeks slaughter and said head case remained a student in good standing at VT. Had it not been for an ACLU driven concept called deinstitutionalization (circa mid 70s) this wacko would have received the necessary shock treatments, lobotomy, deportation and/or simple permanent incarceration in a local nut house.

Dempsy  posted on  2007-04-19   12:37:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, TheSilverFox, christine, All (#0)

BUMP ---- > Fantastic Thread!

Mike Rivero on the 2 hours: 1. Shoot people 2. Make video. 3. Transfer to computer. 4. Burn disk. 5. Wrap package. 6. Go to post office. 7. Buy postage. 8. Put postage on package. 9. Mail package. 10. Shoot more people.

The video in this thread: "we continue to sacrifice..."

TheSilverFox  posted on  2007-04-19   16:00:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: TheSilverFox, All (#21)

Virginia Tech Shooting: I've Already Seen Enough [shooter's sister is a Spook]

http://cryptogon.com/?p=636

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2007-04-19   19:39:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Dempsy, noone222 (#5) (Edited)

Especially if they are taking mind altering drugs ! That would effectively eliminate app. 90% of America's population, given that alcohol is indeed mind altering.

Would also eliminate about 50% of the nations police, since many are on anti- depressants. Let's not use this as an excuse to go after the rights of those taking medication for depression. This guy was a lot more than depressed. Depression alone is not mental illness in the sense that many think, i.e. danger to selves or others, especially while on medication.

The skads of folks sufferring from depression out there who are NOT getting treatment are of much more concern. This guy was psychotic, not depressed. Big difference.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

In a CorporoFascist capitalist society, there is no money in peace, freedom, or a healthy population, and therefore, no incentive to achieve these.
- - IndieTX
"Peace? There's no money in peace! What we need is a war!"
--Three Stooges

IndieTX  posted on  2007-04-19   19:53:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

Hey, I thought this guy was a loner. Who is his buddy?

roughrider  posted on  2007-04-19   20:03:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Paul Revere (#14)

Learning the mechanics of a firearm, is not the same as learning how to hit what you're aiming at.

Reading this other guy's post makes me think he's in the same camp as Penn and Teller when it comes to the Kennedy Assasination, and firing 3 rounds in less than 7 seconds, while looking through a scope, and firing on a moving target.

I myself am a VERY good shot with both rifle and pistol, and believe that this kid had to have spent some time at a gun range, or had some training in order to make accurate shots.

Even if he lined them up and shot them execution style, it doesn't take away from the fact that he'd still have to aim and shoot.

Not to mention pass the FEDERAL BACKGROUND CHECK, WHICH HE SHOULDN'T HAVE!!!

Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2007-04-19   20:18:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: roughrider (#24)

John Doe Number 2. Pay it no mind.

Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2007-04-19   20:18:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#25)

It is never the mechanics of firing a handgun. You have to be willing. If you practice enough, especially at a combat range, you MIGHT develop the instincts of a gunfighter through repetition: "See the threat, draw, shoot." That has to do with an actual threat to you or another person. This guy was willing to kill unarmed people.

The timeline is a real killer. Do the first killings. Make a DVD. Package up all the goodies for NBC (why THEM?). Go to the Post Office. Go back to campus. Do some more killing. I can see him offing himself after making the video and leaving it. The rest is too weird. He just shot two people. Why did he think there would be no law enforcement response at all until he had done all of the damage?

roughrider  posted on  2007-04-19   20:38:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: IndieTX (#23)

The skads of folks sufferring from depression out there who are NOT getting treatment are of much more concern. This guy was psychotic, not depressed. Big difference.

While I agree that there are "SKADS" of folks that are depressed, some being "treated" while others aren't, there are many just dealing with it. The root problem is with the causes of depression which I attribute to a world that is hell bound, restrictive, over-regulated and unnecessarily repressive/oppressive.

It seems to me that many people are too willing to just take some dope rather than address the real problem. Whether the dope is from off the street, behind the bar or from a legitimized dope peddler (pharmacist) it's only masking the problem and when the cure wears off the problem remains and is sometimes increased due to problems incurred while "medicated".

There's no question that a real dilemma exists. Depression and real psychosis exist and may never be resolved. I have often wondered why suicides are kept quiet rather than publicized and explored. There are far more of them than we are made aware of because the system doesn't want us to stop and ask "WHY DO SO MANY PEOPLE HATE LIFE ENOUGH TO KILL THEMSELVES and others" ?

A world in a constant state of war, that promotes violence in every aspect of the media (for profit), and a people satisfied to allow it or medicate themselves to tolerate it are doomed to depression.

14th Amendment / Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. [You have the right to remain silent, shut up and pay your taxes peasants ... hehehehehe].

noone222  posted on  2007-04-20   4:42:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: noone222 (#28)

The root problem is with the causes of depression which I attribute to a world that is hell bound, restrictive, over-regulated and unnecessarily repressive/oppressive.

you make some excellent points. The people that do themselves in, however, don't hate life. They have reached a point where the pain exceeds their resources to cope, and thus, do themselves in to escape the pain. It's sad. Our society is screwed in so many ways, many of which you describe and that's enough to make a lot of people depressed.

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IndieTX  posted on  2007-04-20   4:57:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: roughrider (#27)

I believe that his little packet to the media was already assembled that morning. It takes time to edit video footage, and compile. More than a couple hours. This thing was set up well in advance of the rampage.

Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2007-04-20   6:12:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

http://www.rense.com/general76/cho.htm

Two Photos Of Cho Show Different Men (?)

April 18, MSNBC, Scarborough Country -- Michele Kosinski reports at about 10:13 PM eastern time that Cho's roommates say they do not recognize him in the film from the package sent to NBC.

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I believe it is the same person, and the images differ for good reason. In the first picture, a school ID shot, Cho is a bit slimmer and facing the camera directly. Someone else is shooting. In the second, he is clearly suffering the full effects of his madness (shot the day of the killings -- he looks exhausted and dazed), is a bit fatter, sans glasses and it is a video camera freeze frame where he is turning the camera down to shoot his own face, the camera somewhat elevated, so it foreshortens his appearance, especially the ears. The video image is a bit distorted and wide which is also not uncommon. In the first pic, he has hair, in the second he is shaved, almost bald. Compare the facial features, they are the same. Compare the lips, shape and size of the mouth along with the philtrum (the groove under the nose) above the lip. If you look closely, though the lighting is bad in the second shot, the uneven pigmentation of the sides of his lower lip are exactly the same. The arc and pitch of the eyebrows is the same. The eyes are the same, though with utterly different expressions from one pic to the next. The peculiar curl at the top of his left (our left) ear is evident in both shots. The two pictures are different because they were taken at two different occasions using two completely different photographic mediums and methods.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2007-04-20   6:32:54 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Eoghan (#31)

He sent the video to NBC.

MSNBC IS THE ONLY NETWORK WITH 3 Jesuit trained commentators ie Russert, Matthews, McLaughlin .

See Coral Snake's post about the Vatican.

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2007-04-20   6:50:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#32)

Cho clearly had help to make the videos (and not in a "2 hour time frame")...I believe the dorm shooter is walking free.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2007-04-20   7:05:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Paul Revere, Itisa1mosttoolate (#15)

you're wasting your time trying to discuss this with your detractors. Those guys specialize in disinformation, redirecting threads to some extraneous point they create. Ignore them entirely, and focus on those who do know something about government and military operations. Angle and Mertle Turtle don't.

Detractor? No, Itisa1mosttoolate. I'm simply asking questions. I thought the defense department angle was interesting so I posted it to add more information to this body of work.

As far as focusing on those who know something about govt ops, where's this Paul Revere person from...he's been on 4Um what, a month?

"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi

angle  posted on  2007-04-20   8:53:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: bluedogtxn (#19)

this is a colossal tragedy for everyone

Yes.

"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi

angle  posted on  2007-04-20   8:56:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Eoghan (#33)

The people who say he made this video bullshit in the 2 hour span are full of fucking shit, and or stupid.

I cannot believe the shit these people come up with. The packet he sent, if he was the one who sent it, was made WELL IN ADVANCE. It takes time to burn cds, or dvds, let alone make videos and edit them.

This clown had this shit done in advance, if you belive the lone gunman theory, he made the packet in advance, and then went on a rampage that day. He shot some people, mailed out his package, and then went back and shot some more people, which tells me that this guy obviously knew that he would be able to do this sort of thing. How is it that a guy who shoots two people in an elevator, is able to get away with out any blood on him, or be seen by other students on campus coming from the crimescene?

More importantly, how does one shoot two people without drawing attention to himself, LEAVING A SURVIVOR BEHIND, WHO WAS THE BOYFRIEND, WHO HAPPENED TO RUN AWAY FROM CAMPUS AFTER IT HAPPENED??? WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT ABOUT? The police say they were tailing a suspect in a truck, that happened to be the boyfriend. Why didn't the boyfriend call the fucking cops, or did he???

There's a lot of things wrong with the way this story came out, and how things fall into place.

Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2007-04-20   9:01:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#25)

Learning the mechanics of a firearm, is not the same as learning how to hit what you're aiming at.

Reading this other guy's post makes me think he's in the same camp as Penn and Teller when it comes to the Kennedy Assasination, and firing 3 rounds in less than 7 seconds, while looking through a scope, and firing on a moving target.

I myself am a VERY good shot with both rifle and pistol, and believe that this kid had to have spent some time at a gun range, or had some training in order to make accurate shots.

Even if he lined them up and shot them execution style, it doesn't take away from the fact that he'd still have to aim and shoot.

Not to mention pass the FEDERAL BACKGROUND CHECK, WHICH HE SHOULDN'T HAVE!!!

I think there may have been a second guy, probably the one who shot this douche bag after the incident. I'm not convinced he acted alone, or that he was not a managed asset.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-20   9:04:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: TheSilverFox (#21)

Yes, it appears he may have had help, and lots of it.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-20   9:05:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Paul Revere (#38)

Trend...a possible Neo-nazi reference, a human robot killer, and an agenda (with Holocaust propaganda).

http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2007/04/copycat-effect.html

Reader:

The return address on the package sent to NBC was

88 revol dr

revol - lover

Page 11 of the pdf manifesto shows Number of the Anti-Terrorist 88

http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/numbers_88.asp

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2007-04-20   9:16:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#22)

Virginia Tech Shooting: I've Already Seen Enough [shooter's sister is a Spook]

http://cryptogon.com/?p=636

Veritas. I've read of them before.

The sister is probably the way the spooks found out about the brother and his mental problems. Someone picked him and got him ready. A kid like him is ripe for use by spooks for an operation like this one.

Thanks for the link. We can be sure the defense contractors who run the media will not mention any of this.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-20   9:17:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#30)

believe that his little packet to the media was already assembled that morning. It takes time to edit video footage, and compile. More than a couple hours. This thing was set up well in advance of the rampage.

Absolutely! He had to have the photos and videos done ahead of time. His roommate was home and was sleeping in that hour or two, during which time the photos would have been taken in the room or next to it. I do not believe that is the way it went down.

We are so screwed. Our media and public events have never been this controlled in American history, and it's frightening to see it all slipping away.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-20   9:20:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: angle (#34)

As far as focusing on those who know something about govt ops, where's this Paul Revere person from...he's been on 4Um what, a month?

When you're reduced to whining about how long a poster has been around, you know you're beat. Suck it up, sparky.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-20   9:23:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Paul Revere, Itisa1mosttoolate, christine (#42)

When you're reduced to whining about how long a poster has been around

No one's whining, just pointing out the facts. You're the one making accusations you can't back up.

"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi

angle  posted on  2007-04-20   9:38:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: angle (#43)

No one's whining, just pointing out the facts. You're the one making accusations you can't back up

Either say something substantive about the topic or go blow yourself.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-20   9:43:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Paul Revere (#44)

Either say something substantive about the topic or go blow yourself.

I posted a url disussing the sister's employment with the DoD. WTF are you ranting about?

"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi

angle  posted on  2007-04-20   10:00:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: angle, Paul Revere (#34)

As far as focusing on those who know something about govt ops, where's this Paul Revere person from...he's been on 4Um what, a month?

Fess up, Paul Revere! Are you Badeye?

It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-20   10:14:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Paul Revere, Itisa1mosttoolate, (#38) (Edited)

Yes, it appears he may have had help, and lots of it.

According to the MSM, Hui was a 23-year-old English major with absolutely no known military training, but the picture below shows him in a U.S. Marine Corps Digital Camouflage uniform which is proprietary. And no, it cannot be purchased at surplus stores. The Eagle, Globe and Anchor symbols are embedded in the fabric itself. What he exercised was a full assault designed for close quarters combat (CQB) emphasizing close range engagements with a higher rate of target acquisition and lethality. All of this was done with "Zero known training"? Not likely!

Also, "Ismael Ax" is tattooed on Hui's arm. That name also appeared in the documents that he (supposedly, by himself) had sent to NBC. On the package, the senders name was "A Ismael". Ismael Ax just might be an anagram of some kind. Back in Biblical times, in the Old Testament, Ismael was the first Arab to come from the union of Hagar and Abraham. If this is an Israeli opt, labeling him as an Arab just might be a sign of who's to come next in the bombing campaign for the 'war on terror' ... the Asian continents.

TheSilverFox  posted on  2007-04-20   10:25:40 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: bluedogtxn (#46) (Edited)

Fess up, Paul Revere! Are you Badeye?

Why don't you go to a kiddie forum if you're going to act like a child?

I don't have any idea who badeye is, and don't care.

That's the second time you've said that. Do it again, and I'll dump your ass in the bozo file with BAC.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-20   10:30:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: TheSilverFox (#47)

I am fairly convinced he was a managed asset of spooks who made this event happen, right down to his tattoo reference.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-20   10:32:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: TheSilverFox (#47)

Who's the other guy in the pic??

Lady X  posted on  2007-04-20   10:36:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: TheSilverFox (#47)

Also, "Ismael Ax" is tattooed on Hui's arm.

Sounds like a modern Jewish name, to me. What such would represent is a mystery, for the moment.

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-04-20   10:37:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Lady X (#50)

A Jew?

TheSilverFox  posted on  2007-04-20   10:38:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: TheSilverFox (#52) (Edited)

Ishmael is clearly a reference to Islam, to Arabs, and to Palestinians.

Ishmael's ax was used by Ibrihim to tear down idols of false gods.

Therefore, I conclude that Ishmael's ax is a weapon or tool to be used by the righteous against his enemies.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-20   10:50:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: SKYDRIFTER (#51)

The mystery is who and what Hui was, but I think we're on the right track.

TheSilverFox  posted on  2007-04-20   10:50:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: TheSilverFox (#54)

My fear is that he's the patsy for absolute gun control - OR - the registry of all those with mental problems of any sort, including depression.

If "The System" selectively locked onto 'mental illness' as a lever against the individual, they would have control over a huge percentage of any population.

"Vee haff vays uff dealink viss your kine; you look so very down. Maybe I haff you evaluated; jah? OR, you juss do your job, Jah?"


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2007-04-20   10:55:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Dempsy (#18)

HIPAA, the federal medical privacy act, was passed by the Republican Congress in 1996.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-04-20   11:00:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Eoghan (#47)

ping

"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

robin  posted on  2007-04-20   11:02:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Paul Revere (#53)

Ishmael is clearly a reference to Islam, to Arabs, and to Palestinians.

That isn't what Wayne Madsen thinks:

April 19, 2007 -- WMR has learned that a number of private military companies, some under Defense Department contracts in Iraq and elsewhere, are rife with a potpourri of neo-Nazis, Ku Klux Klansmen, Aryan supremacists, pagan Norse and Teutonic god worshipers, Dungeons and Dragons aficionados, and Christian Dominionists. Right-wing groups, including veterans of Latin American, southern African, and Asian paramilitary forces, are being recruited by these firms. Particularly needed are individuals trained in the use of Glock 19s, AK-47s, M-16s, M-4s, rocket-propelled grenade launchers (RPGs), and shoulder-fired MANPADS (Man-portable air defense systems).

Virginia Tech mass killer Cho Seung-Hui, in an 1800-word manifesto sent to NBC News, echoed some of the ramblings often heard from the neo-Nazi, Christian Identity, and Aryan movements. He used jargon such as "Democratic Terrorists," "Lovers of Terrorism and Sadism," "Crucifiers of the Innocents," "Apostles of Sin," and "descendants of Satan." Cho used the return address name, "A Ishmael" and he had the name "Ismael Ax" written in red ink on his arm. There is a possibility that Cho was referring to the Norse Ballad of Ismal. Ismal was a Norse warrior who slew twelve dragons.

The private military company culture uses an inordinate amount of Aryan-Teutonic-Celtic symbology in their names and logos, including knights, shields, castles, eagles, swords, bear claws, stags, lions, dragons, and Arthurian and Aryan mysticism.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-04-20   11:03:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: TheSilverFox (#47)

Also, "Ismael Ax" is tattooed on Hui's arm. That name also appeared in the documents that he (supposedly, by himself) had sent to NBC. On the package, the senders name was "A Ismael". Ismael Ax just might be an anagram of some kind.

I read something interesting regarding this very thing. Credit to tgambill at LF:

Dr. ISMAIL AK is a Professor of Psychiatry at a university in Turkey. His research interests include the following: Personal Disorders, Agresivve behavior and self-mutilation, ECT, Substance- related disorders, Sexual Disorders, Forensic Psychiatry, Sleep Disorders From the Turkish Association of Psychopharmacology website:

http://www.psi http://kofarmakoloji. org/dernek/hakkimizda2_eng.asp

President-elect:

Professor Ismail AK, M.D. Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey Ismail AK is Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at Head, Department of Psychiatry, KTU School of Medicine, Trabzon, Turkey

He is an experienced on clinical psychopharmacology of schizophrenia and bipolar disorders. Dr. Ismail Ak is one of the authors of an article about patients with mental disorders, psychotic features, etc.:

http://www. pjms.com.pk/issues/janmar06/article/article12.html

As regards pharmacotherapies, 354 (50.2%) were given antidepressants. . . . Among antidepressants, Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) were 72.8%. . . . This is an abstract of an article co-written by Dr. ISMAIL AK:

"http://www.adlibilimler.info/inde x.php? option=com_content&task=view&id=321&Itemid=28"

Even though all psychiatric disorders do not have the same potential with regard to committing a crime, the number of individuals having psychiatric disorders is gradually going up depending on the increase of crimes and violent behaviors committed in a society. . . . The relation between existence of psychiatric disorder and crime behavior has been significantly emphasized in several earlier studies. In conclusion, it is notable that the rates of committing crime for the individuals with psychiatric disorders are on the rise.

"Dr. Ismail Ak is apparently one of the world's leading experts on the psychiatry of antisocial and suicidal behavior, psychotic and bipolar disorders, psychopharmacological therapy, etc.

The young man had been noticed to be disturbed and had been referred to counseling. Dr. Ismail Ak is an expert and author in the particular field most directly related to the guy's disorder.

So it's possible that the writing on the guy's arm said

ISMAIL AK

and the K was written in a way that people *thought* it said

ISMAIL AX

That seems more likely to me than a connection to Moby Dick or to Islamic terrorism. " END

"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma K. Gandhi

angle  posted on  2007-04-20   11:06:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Dempsy (#3)

People with overt mental illness

Who will determine this, psychiatrists and other such headshrinkers? These are the freaks who are responsible for doping up the young kids with ritalin and much worse such as those in the Columbine shooting, not to mention other instances.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-04-20   11:11:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Paul Revere, SKYDRIFTER (#53)

I conclude that Ishmael's ax is a weapon or tool to be used by the righteous against his enemies.

Correct, and since it was tattooed on his arm, it's logical to assume that he was someone's tool/weapon; however, I am of the opinion that the "who" wasn't righteous. Israeli/Mossad opt. via U.S. Marine Corps? Maybe. I mean, why not? U.S. Navy has had it's fair share of spies and whatnots?


My fear is that he's the patsy for absolute gun control - OR - the registry of all those with mental problems of any sort, including depression.

If "The System" selectively locked onto 'mental illness' as a lever against the individual, they would have control over a huge percentage of any population.

You are right. It might have a unilateral purpose, such as equating anti-Semitism to (a) mental illness. Homosexuality was once believed to be a form of mental illness when the Moral Majority controlled things. Now, Jews control things, so criminalizing anti-Semitism, while dehumanizing those who fit it's ideology, seems right up their ally. Remember, Hui is said to have been a Muslim.

TheSilverFox  posted on  2007-04-20   11:12:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: TheSilverFox (#61)

Remember, Hui is said to have been a Muslim.

Am I missing some evidence? Who said that?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-04-20   11:14:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: aristeides (#58)

What's frightening about that report, posted here btw is this bit:

The private military company culture uses an inordinate amount of Aryan-Teutonic-Celtic symbology in their names and logos, including knights, shields, castles, eagles, swords, bear claws, stags, lions, dragons, and Arthurian and Aryan mysticism.

They are clearly appealing to youthful idiots who have more faith in video games with similar nonsense than in anything else.

And if Cho is a patsy for a psyop, then "Ismail Ax" is meant to get the FR types thinking he's a Muslim terrorist. And yesterday it was reported, there already is a thread on FR with just that.

"The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes nor between parties either — but right through the human heart." — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

robin  posted on  2007-04-20   11:17:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#10)

KCIA works closely with the U.S. in many instances. That this would be a military PSYOP is no great surprise. He was a dead shot, it seems, almost impossible without much practice and training.

I caught a blurb on radio news this morning where they said the shooter called Klebold and Harris (the Columbine shooters) "martyrs."

This is very indicative of a mind control subject.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-04-20   11:18:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Paul Revere, aristeides, kamala, leveller, Burkeman1, christine, robin, anyone else (#48)

bluedogtxn: "Fess up, Paul Revere! Are you Badeye?"

Paul Revere: "Why don't you go to a kiddie forum if you're going to act like a child?

I don't have any idea who badeye is, and don't care.

That's the second time you've said that. Do it again, and I'll dump your ass in the bozo file with BAC."

Hmmm. Now who do I recall taking that remonstrative tone with me before and calling me childish. Hmmmmmm. Lemme think here....

LIBERTY POST:

"You won't have to bother posting to me in the future. I'm placing you on filter, and I know you only get five posts per 24 hour cycle.

Use them wisely, and don't waste them on me.

Thanks in advance,

Badeye"

I'm just sayin'.

Now, "Paul Revere", if that is your real name, you can put me on bozo if you want to, and that's fine. I post a lot of stuff here, and you'll miss a lot of it, and that's certainly your privilege. I'm sure some folks here have me on bozo already. But then you won't be able to see it when I connect your posts to those of Badeye and demonstrate a marked similarity, both in tone and in content and in style of posting.

Or, you can laugh this off, although frankly, you don't much seem the type to laugh stuff off. Which is, interestingly, kinda the way badeye was. He was also an idealogical chameleon, well capable of taking on a liberal or libertarian type personality. He was also an insanely addicted poster, jumping on every thread around (which in fairness, I do also) and I find it hard to believe Goldi could ban him and he'd just stop.

He was also quick to threaten "the filter" and he was also quick to call others childish or stupid or say things like "if you're not going to be serious, I don't have any time for you." Oddly similar to the tone you've taken.

I could definitely see him showing up here, taking on a different persona, and engaging his addiction to posting.

For my part, he'd be very welcome, so long as he understood that in this forum civility is more the norm than the exception, and tone and respect for each other (even those you can't stand) are SOP (we all make an exception for BeAChooser, because he's so often used El Pee as a place from which to insult christine, whom we all love without exception).

I know that there are others who would toss Badeye out on his ass if they knew it was him.

It would be completely unfair of me to assume that you are Badeye. And I do not. However, as I've said many times, paranoia is a survival trait in a decidership. If I'm being paranoid, you'd do better to forgive me so that we can reach an understanding than to just bozo me, which would only heighten my suspicion.

Badeye was, if not quite my friend, at least someone whom I respected and felt I could share a beer with. Most folks here didn't feel that way about him, but I did.

So you decide what you want to do.

It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-20   11:22:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: aristeides (#62)

Who said that?

I believe it was inferred - him and Islam. It was in one of the many reports I've read this past week. Look for it, I'm sure you can find it.

TheSilverFox  posted on  2007-04-20   11:22:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: TheSilverFox (#66)

If there's anything to your claim, I'm sure you can present evidence.

Cho's statements about Jesus Christ certainly seem to contradict any view that he was a Moslem.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-04-20   11:28:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)

But where and what is the photo evidence? Did I miss something?


A new truth movement friendly digg type site: Zlonk it!

Critter  posted on  2007-04-20   11:32:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: aristeides (#67)

Yes, Cho's quoted statements about Jesus Christ in the MSM rags does seem to be contradicting, but even Muslims respect Jesus Christ MUCH more than the Jews who, in print, actually place Christ in burning hot excrement for all eternity. The Muslims regard Jesus Christ as a prophet.

If and when I have time to dig, I just may. For now, see this post and if you have time now, you may start your own research. BTW, a common Chinese (or Asian) term for Islam is "the religion of the Hui". ;-)

TheSilverFox  posted on  2007-04-20   11:33:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: bluedogtxn (#65)

Most folks here didn't feel that way about him

Amen.

"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma Gandhi

angle  posted on  2007-04-20   11:36:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: TheSilverFox (#69)

This post? If you look a few posts up from that one, you'll see I posted the whole report from Wayne Madsen. As far as I can see, Madsen says not a thing about Cho possibly being a Moslem.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-04-20   11:37:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: aristeides (#71)

Expand you scope. Wayne Madsen is only one person.

Google: "Cho Seung Hui+Islam"

TheSilverFox  posted on  2007-04-20   11:39:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: bluedogtxn, Paul Revere (#65)

Badeye's a jerk. This guy's posts are hateful in a way I never remember seeing in Badeye's. I am very suspicious of his real motives.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-04-20   11:41:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: TheSilverFox (#72)

Why should I waste any time on such a search until I see evidence that there might be some value to it?

Connecting the VA Tech massacre with Moslems would very much suit the Bush administration and the neocons. That I know.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-04-20   11:43:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: aristeides (#74)

Look, if it suits the Bush Admin and NeoCons, you can guarantee that someone in the media made the suggestion to connect the tattoo to Islam. There's boo-koo shit on Google suggesting this.

TheSilverFox  posted on  2007-04-20   11:50:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: TheSilverFox (#75)

I can easily believe some idiots on the Web are suggesting this. I saw the thread on Free Republic yesterday. But do they have any evidence? Not to my knowledge. And you're not giving me any.

Look, if there were evidence, don't you think the neocons would be blaring it?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-04-20   11:53:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: bluedogtxn, Dempsy (#19)

In this case, yes. The system of American higher "education" is a viper’s nest of leftist sperm, whose sole mission is to indoctrinate our youth.

Its the cult of right wing victimhood.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-20   12:05:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: aristeides, ALL, everyone here (#76) (Edited)

Here's what I originally said, which you responded to, and I quote "Remember, Hui is said to have been a Muslim".

I was not making the claim that he was or he wasn't. I was simply speaking of the tactics of disinformation currently being used by the MSM. They base this upon the connection between the tattooed ax and Islam - period. Doing this illustrates to seasoned and skillful observers who participate on discussion boards these things, and maybe more: (1.) this falls in line with the overall agenda, namely the 'war on terror' and it's justification for the purging in the Middle East; (2.) gun control legislation - the Democrats are now in the majority (House/Senate) - passing such legislation is Easy-Peasy-Japanesey; (3.) hate crimes legislation has been resubmitted to the House - vote pending - this silences opposition to the overall agenda: 'war on terror'; etc.

TheSilverFox  posted on  2007-04-20   12:06:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: bluedogtxn (#65)

As you wish. Good bye.

I didn't read past your first paragraph, and won't.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-20   12:13:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: TheSilverFox (#78)

OK, I misunderstood you. Sorry.

If you look at Glenn Greenwald's latest column, you'll see that Charles Krauthammer did in fact try to connect the massacre with Islamist terrorists on TV on Wednesday. With zero evidence. And he's had to back down in his latest column.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-04-20   12:16:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: aristeides (#73)

I'm putting you on bozo, too, aris-tedious.

You've yet to write anything worth reading.

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-20   12:18:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Paul Revere (#81)

Delighted to hear it.

Why don't you put all of us on Bozo?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-04-20   12:22:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: aristeides (#80)

Not a problem.

I missed that column, but at least Krauthammer had enough self-respect to back down.

Cheers.

TheSilverFox  posted on  2007-04-20   12:23:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: angle (#59) (Edited)

Credit to tgambill at LF:

I know Tom - Kosovo ex UN security chief - when he quit he submitted his security files to the press and Serbian think tanks. I asked him to go on Freerepublic for me when I was banned. Ismael Ax could just as well be his video game handle. The name he used to play video games online, etc.

"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom

Destro  posted on  2007-04-20   12:24:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Paul Revere (#79)

As you wish. Good bye.

I didn't read past your first paragraph, and won't.

Sayonara, Badeye.

It is not a Justice System. It is just a system.

bluedogtxn  posted on  2007-04-20   12:29:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: aristeides (#58)

in an 1800-word manifesto sent to NBC News, echoed some of the ramblings often heard from the neo-Nazi, Christian Identity, and Aryan movements. He used jargon such as "Democratic Terrorists," "Lovers of Terrorism and Sadism," "Crucifiers of the Innocents," "Apostles of Sin," and "descendants of Satan."

I disagree with Madsen on this.

I believe Madsen is being fed a certain amount of disinformation concerning these "movements." I've never noticed anything of the sort from groups which might be called Christian Identity, or any of the so-called neo-Nazi or Aryan groups. Specifically, I am totally unfamiliar with any such jargon coming from any of the preachers or other groups I am aware of as being slimed with the Christian Identity label. CI is another canard used to disparage another sect of Christianity.

Besides, I have a deep suspicion that many of the neo-Nazi (National Socialist) and Aryan groups have long ago been infiltrated and controlled by government agents, just as John Birch Society has been.

I wish Madsen would cite a few examples of this and name a few groups.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-04-20   13:02:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: BTP Holdings (#86)

See my post above...

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2007-04-20   13:05:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Eoghan (#39) (Edited)

The return address on the package sent to NBC was

88 revol dr

revol - lover

Page 11 of the pdf manifesto shows Number of the Anti-Terrorist 88

This is all one big set up. It smacks of what Michael A. Hoffman II says,

David Lane's 88 Precepts

88 Precepts

Until the white race realizes that there is only one source from which we can ascertain lasting truths, there will never be peace or stability on this earth. In the immutable Laws of Nature are the keys to life, order, and understanding. The words of men, even those which some consider "inspired" are subject to the translations, vocabulary, additions, subtractions, and distortions of fallible mortals. Therefore, every writing or influence, ancient or modern, must be strained through the test of conformity to Natural Law. The White Peoples of the earth must collectively understand that they are equally subject to the iron-hard Laws of Nature with every other creature of the Universe, or they will not secure peace, safety, nor even their existence. The world is in flames because Races, Sub-races, Nations, and Cultures are being forced to violate their own Nature-ordained instincts for self-preservation. Many men of good will, but little understanding, are struggling against symptoms which are the result of disobedience to Natural Law. As is the Nature of Man, most take narrow, provincial stances predicated on views formed by immediate environment, current circumstances, and conditioned dogma. This is encouraged by that powerful and ruthless Tribe which has controlled the affairs of the world for untold centuries by exploiting Man's most base instincts. Conflict among and between the unenlightened serves as their mask and shield. A deeper understanding of the Fundamental Laws that govern the affairs of Men is necessary if we are to save civilization from its usurious executioners. The following are not intended to provide a detailed system of government, but as PRECEPTS which, when understood, will benefit and preserve a People as individuals and as a Nation.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-04-20   13:35:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: All (#88)

More from Michael A. Hoffman II,

http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-04-20   13:59:08 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: BTP Holdings (#86)

I believe Madsen is being fed a certain amount of disinformation concerning these "movements." I've never noticed anything of the sort from groups which might be called Christian Identity, or any of the so-called neo-Nazi or Aryan groups. Specifically, I am totally unfamiliar with any such jargon coming from any of the preachers or other groups I am aware of as being slimed with the Christian Identity label. CI is another canard used to disparage another sect of Christianity.

Besides, I have a deep suspicion that many of the neo-Nazi (National Socialist) and Aryan groups have long ago been infiltrated and controlled by government agents, just as John Birch Society has been.

I agree. Christian Identity is flawed [Gal. 3:16-29, Rev. 5:9-10], but I don't see it being a threat, as much as Judeo-British Israelism is. The CIA/Illuminati has promoted and protected Christian Identity for the final attack on Christian America [Psalm 2] planned since at least 1871. [Three World Wars/Illuminati and the Council on Foreign Relations.]

CIA link: http://www.freedomdomain.com/racism.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-04-20   15:44:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: BTP Holdings (#86)

Besides, I have a deep suspicion that many of the neo-Nazi (National Socialist) and Aryan groups have long ago been infiltrated and controlled by government agents

I have a deep suspicion about anything Madsen writes.


A new truth movement friendly digg type site: Zlonk it!

Critter  posted on  2007-04-20   15:59:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: TheSilverFox (#47)

I had this though this morning.

The massacre happened on April 16th, 2007. 04-16-2007

Numerology makes it 9-11. 4+1+6= 11 2+0+0+7= 9

Funny coincedence eh?

Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2007-04-20   17:19:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: TommyTheMadArtist, Numerology Nuts (#92) (Edited)

Numerology is fascinating, and although I can play with number all day long, I don't get the significance.

Weapons: a .22 and a 9mm

It's odd having two different guns that use different ammo, but maybe there's something to it?

Each victim was shot at least 3 times, with a 22. Put the two together, you get 322, Skull and Bones.

... or

3 bullets per victim with a 9mm, would give us three nines. 999, the invert of 666.

TheSilverFox  posted on  2007-04-20   17:27:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: TheSilverFox (#93)

Funny isn't it how things start to create patterns.

Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2007-04-20   17:28:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#94)

It sure is, but I cannot imagine some loon sitting in a cubical at the DoD all damn day, mumbling to himself, thinking this crap up. Maybe that's not a stretch after all.

TheSilverFox  posted on  2007-04-20   17:36:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#90)

hi there! it's been awhile. nice to see you again.

Free Speech on Freedom4um

christine  posted on  2007-04-20   17:51:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: christine (#96)

hi, christine. nice to see you again, too. missed ya!

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-04-20   22:31:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: bluedogtxn (#65)

I don't think Paul is Badeye. Badeye would be noticed over here right away, he's not too bright. Paul isn't dumb, just a little quick with the insults.

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]

RickyJ  posted on  2007-04-21   4:22:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: RickyJ (#98) (Edited)

Good Lord.

This reminds me of the way mainstream media refuse to focus on real issues and instead obsess over personal controversies.

The accusation that a poster is really "someone else" is a pathetic attempt to inspire groupthink, and to attach to a poster the history associated with another. Those who routinely make such accusations tend to need group affirmation, and when struggling with another poster, seek the comfort of group identity. It's a very pubescent trait, most commonly seen in 13 year old girls.

I am not badeye. I don't know who badeye is, except for the weak ass references here. I've seen his name mentioned regarding other message boards, none of which I recognize.

So let's review.

1. I'm not the topic here.

2. Accusing other posters of being someone else is lame.

3. I'm not the asshole you hate. I'm a different asshole.

4. Words I don't mind being called:

Asshole

Jerk

Dickhead

POS

Doodoo head

Butt Reaming Asshole

Prick

Super Prick

Butt Munch

Dick on Wheels

Jackass

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-21   4:37:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Paul Revere (#99)

Ahhh, nice of you to offer a selection! So, if I were to call you a Butt-munching dickheaded super prick, it's no problem? Glad to hear it!

Actually, that would make a great punk band name... the Butt-Munching Dickheaded Super Pricks.... gotta certain ring to it.

Gold and silver are real money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2007-04-21   5:04:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Elliott Jackalope (#100)

It it makes you hap-py ...

Paul Revere  posted on  2007-04-21   5:11:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Paul Revere (#99)

Asshole

Jerk

Dickhead

POS

Doodoo head

Butt Reaming Asshole

Prick

Super Prick

Butt Munch

Dick on Wheels

Jackass

Variety is the spice of life. ;0)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-04-21   12:21:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#90)

http://www.freedomdomain.com/racism.html

The "born and raised" Jewish writer at that link is mistaken about CI being exclusively trained on the seed line theory of Eve having an affair with Satan as the origin of the Jews. That is just a small portion of preachers (and I consider them to be freaks and disinfo agents) and those I am familiar with do not espouse this nonsense.

Sorry, but CI is under attack by the Zionists and their ilk. If this writer wishes to say that CI is virlently racist, then I am proud to be a white Christian who is proud of his race.

The attempt to link a known FBI cointelpro opeeration at Elohim City to CI is another not so good try at discrediting the entire CI movement. CI is in fact merely another sect of Christianity, and nothing more. I'm sure the feds would love to have an incident similar to that of the Seventh Day Adventist splinter group at Waco, that of David Koresh and the Branch Davidians, to enable them to eliminate more white Christians in America who are a threat to the likes of Abe Foxman and the other ZioNazi freaks who have a persecution complex to complement their delusions of grandeur.

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2007-04-21   12:49:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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