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Title: We The People Will Prevail...
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Published: Sep 2, 2007
Author: Bob Schultz
Post Date: 2007-09-02 19:51:57 by christine
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Views: 316
Comments: 13

WE THE PEOPLE will prevail...

September 2, 2007 U.S. Court of Appeals Orders Oral Arguments For September 18th

On Thursday, August 30, 2007, as we reported in the previous article, the United States Court of Appeals ruled that WTP does not have to turn over to the Government any information identifying people who have obtained materials from or donated money to WTP.

On Friday, August 31, 2007, the United States Court of Appeals issued a three-part order:

The Court added WTP's motion for a stay of Judge McAvoy's entire injunction order and to expedite the appeal to the substantive motions calendar for September 18, 2007.

In addition, the Court decided it wants to hear oral arguments on September 18, 2007.

Finally, the Court directed the Government to submit its written response to WTP's emergency motion ASAP.

"We are very pleased with the way the 2nd Circuit has been responding to our case," said Bob Schulz. "We fully expect that on September 18, or shortly thereafter, the Court will grant our motion to stay the lower Court's injunction order, allowing WTP to turn on its website, without fear of being held in contempt of Court by Judge McAvoy. We also expect the Appeals Court to expedite our appeal from the District Court's order, by setting a tight briefing schedule. Finally, we expect to prevail on the appeal: we expect the Appeals Court will reverse the lower Court's summary judgment order and dismiss the case. We expect the Court to see the transparent motive of the Government to use WTP's Speech related to the Blue Folder as a front, or pretext for its real objective -- to fully silence WTP and thereby shut down the Right to Petition program."

We gratefully acknowledge the warm response we have been receiving to our call last Friday for donations, and we respectfully request that everyone carefully consider sending a donation - either a monthly or a one-time donation. We have much to do and pay for as we prepare to file our landmark Right to Petition case with the United States Supreme Court, and as we appeal from Judge McAvoy's order.

Here is the text of the Court's order entered on Friday, August 31, 2007:

8/31/07 Motion for stay of injunctive order and to expedite the appeal has been added to the substantive motions calendar for September 18, 2007**TO BE ARGUED**; any responsive papers to calendar ASAP. [Entry date Aug 31 2007] [JC]

Please go to the WTP home page at http://www.GiveMeLiberty.org to access all the 6700 court pleadings and orders.

Please note that although WTP has shut down virtually all of its website content (including our on-line store), our supporters can still join our e-Mail list, donate, join the WTP Congress, and make Profile changes such as address, email, etc.

Thank You for your support.

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#1. To: christine (#0)

BUMP THIS. Thank you for this information!

Join the Ron Paul Revolution

Lod  posted on  2007-09-02   20:00:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine (#0)

I'm reading Judge McAvoy's decision now and, guess what?

Same old shit.

We ask the govt to show us the law and he cites decision after decision written by other tax consuming judges who swear that it's the law but won't produce it!

I'd start by asking when the tax is imposed. (The IRS claims that a tax bill means it's "legally assessed" but you can drive by my Mcmansion and assess all you like but does that impose a tax on me?)

I asked the Los Angeles IRS PIO (on the phone-I was pretending to be a reporter and I called on the secret press relations number and I fooled her) just where in the code the tax is imposed, and she started to read to me: "There is hereby imposed on the taxable income (gross income less deductions)....a tax....."

But, she left out the words, "who makes a return"! The code actually reads "There is hereby imposed on the taxable income of every person who makes a return a tax...."

In other words the tax is imposed on ourselves when we file a return and swear under penalty of perjury that we "owe" a tax!

HAH!

When I called her on it and told her I had the code right in front of me, she terminated the phone call. Shortly after she went off on stress disability, but the DOJ tried to slip her on a jury in Phoenix under her married name but she was busted and bumped by the defense team!!

HAH!

She spent all my money, wrecked my new car....and now she's with one of my good time buddies and they're drinkin' in some crosstown bar..."__Allman Bros

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-09-02   20:27:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: HOUNDDAWG (#2) (Edited)

We The People Will Prevail...

The Court Order was dated August 9th relates anything but WTP prevailing, and Schulz's indication of WTP's position being somewhat positively supported by the court's rulings isn't contained in the Court Order. The Court Order on the website reads like a point by point agreement with the U.S. Attorney.

I have contended that the arguments made by the WTP Foundation are "tired", have already been heard, and struck down on numerous occasions. (Of course I think the court's are corrupt, but continual reinstitution of hearings and cases based upon nothing but old arguments is self-defeating.)

I wonder about the two spellings of Schulz's name (Shulz) ... I agree that the Judge's sounding in the same type of weasel wording and stare decisis that requires one to consider the facts that were relevant to the prior case which may not be present in the instant matter.

Most tax cases that are published pertain to corporations, or are based upon agreements/contracts entered into by the "DEFENDANT" for benefits with some corporation or government entity that tie them to the system.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-09-03   9:59:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: christine (#0) (Edited)

On Friday, August 31, 2007, the United States Court of Appeals issued a three-part order:

The Court added WTP's motion for a stay of Judge McAvoy's entire injunction order and to expedite the appeal to the substantive motions calendar for September 18, 2007.

In addition, the Court decided it wants to hear oral arguments on September 18, 2007.

Finally, the Court directed the Government to submit its written response to WTP's emergency motion ASAP.

"We are very pleased with the way the 2nd Circuit has been responding to our case," said Bob Schulz. "We fully expect that on September 18, or shortly thereafter, the Court will grant our motion to stay the lower Court's injunction order, allowing WTP to turn on its website, without fear of being held in contempt of Court by Judge McAvoy. We also expect the Appeals Court to expedite our appeal from the District Court's order, by setting a tight briefing schedule. Finally, we expect to prevail on the appeal: we expect the Appeals Court will reverse the lower Court's summary judgment order and dismiss the case. We expect the Court to see the transparent motive of the Government to use WTP's Speech related to the Blue Folder as a front, or pretext for its real objective -- to fully silence WTP and thereby shut down the Right to Petition program."

I wonder if we should fasten our seatbelts for a Cheney/Chertoff event, or maybe a perfect storm of weather disasters instigating martial law. The last time, as I remember, WTP was to have a hearing with the feds, the feds pulled off 9/11, and the feds reneged on the deal to extend them a hearing. At any rate, I believe we are in interesting times.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Gen/Gen015.html#13 - 14

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Gal/Gal003.html#29

The United States is still a British Colony: Index THE UNITED STATES IS STILL A BRITISH COLONY. EXTORTING TAXES FOR THE CROWN! A DOCUMENTARY REVIEW OF CHARTERS AND TREATIES. August 17, 1996. An Expose' ... www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/united_states_british_colony_index.htm

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa010.html#1 - 2

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa010.html#24 - 27

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Psa/Psa002.html#12

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/10/24.html

[anytime, now, Lord! Thank you!]

[edit...i wasn't finished...must have hit the post button by mistake]

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-09-03   10:21:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: noone222 (#3)

The Court Order was dated August 9th relates anything but WTP prevailing,

That's correct.

The guarded optimism springs from the emergency injunction against the Aug 9 order granted by the 2nd circuit and the demand for oral arguments on Sept 18 which is like coal in the IRS' Hannukah stocking.

Pay attention because they'll be a test later!

She spent all my money, wrecked my new car....and now she's with one of my good time buddies and they're drinkin' in some crosstown bar..."__Allman Bros

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-09-03   10:38:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#4)

The last time, as I remember, WTP was to have a hearing with the feds, the feds pulled off 9/11, and the feds reneged on the deal to extend them a hearing. At any rate, I believe we are in interesting times.

Correct on both counts.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution

Lod  posted on  2007-09-03   11:08:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: richard9151, noone222, Itisalmosttoolate (#4)

The United States is still a British Colony: Index THE UNITED STATES IS STILL A BRITISH COLONY. EXTORTING TAXES FOR THE CROWN! A DOCUMENTARY REVIEW OF CHARTERS AND TREATIES. August 17, 1996. An Expose' ... http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/united_states_british_colony_index.htm

The "Crown" = "The City of London", controlled by the Banksters [Rothschild of the eagle [Ezekiel 17:1-10/John 15:1/Matthew 15:12-13] coat-of-arms, for instance - The History/Timeline of the House of Rothschild http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm ]

4um THE CITY

"#1. To: richard9151 (#0)

When we speak of 'The City' we are in fact referring to a privately owned Corporation - or Sovereign State - occupying an irregular rectangle of 677 acres and located right in the heart of the 610 square mile 'Greater London' area.

Like the Vatican in Rome, it is a separate, independent state. [note: "And also and they will 'come out' with great substance" Genesis 15:14 / Micah 4:13 Arise and thresh, O daughter of Zion: for I will make thine horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass: and thou shalt beat in pieces many people: and I will consecrate their [ILL-GOTTEN] gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth.]

Like the Terrorist State of Israel, all three are FRAUDS, FAKES and FICTIONS created by weasels, worms and war mongers/profiteers for the permanent enslavement and periodic culling of mankind.

Nice Post Richard !

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins [ http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mic/Mic004.html#13 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa052.html#1 - 3....

noone222 posted on 2007-08-11

THE CITY http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=59055

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connecting the dots....

GOG AND MAGOG

"Towards the head of the procession you will see two benevolent giants. They are Gog and Magog, the traditional guardians of the City of London who have been carried in the Lord Mayor's Show since the reign of Henry V. They are descended from the pagan giants of early English pageantry and their history is buried in ancient legends of Britain's origins....."

The Lord Mayor's Parade http://www.lordmayorsshow.org/visitors/history/gogmagog

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Eze/38/3.html

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Eze/39/6.html

=====================================================

Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord; I will repay:

Jdg 18:7 — Then the five men departed, and came to Laish, and saw the people that [were] therein, how they dwelt careless, after the manner of the Zidonians, quiet and secure; and [there was] no magistrate in the land, that might put [them] to shame in [any] thing; and they [were] far from the Zidonians, and had no business with [any] man.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jdg/18/7.html

Jdg 18:26 And the children of Dan went their way: and when Micah saw that they [were] too strong for him, he turned and went back unto his house.

Jdg 18:27 ¶ And they took [the things] which Micah had made, and the priest which he had, and came unto Laish, unto a people [that were] at quiet and secure: and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and burnt the city with fire.

Jdg 18:28 And [there was] no deliverer, because it [was] far from Zidon, and they had no business with [any] man; and it was in the valley that [lieth] by Bethrehob. And they built a city, and dwelt therein.

Jdg 18:29 And they called the name of the city Dan, after the name of Dan their father, who was born unto Israel: howbeit the name of the city [was] Laish at the first.

Jdg 18:30 ¶ And the children of Dan set up the graven image: and Jonathan, the son of Gershom, the son of Manasseh, he and his sons were priests to the tribe of Dan until the day of the captivity of the land.

Jdg 18:31 And they set them up Micah's graven image, which he made, all the time that the house of God was in Shiloh.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jdg/Jdg018.html#7

Psa 49:11 Their inward thought [is, that] their houses [shall continue] for ever, [and] their dwelling places to all generations; they call [their] lands after their own names. [LonDON..there were no vowels in Hebrew, names with Dan, Den, Din, Dyn, Don, Dun in them, may be related.]

Psa 49:13 This their way [is] their folly: yet their posterity approve their sayings. Selah.

Psa 49:14 Like sheep they are laid in the grave; death shall feed on them; and the upright shall have dominion over them in the morning; and their beauty shall consume in the grave from their dwelling....

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Psa/Psa049.html#11

THE LOST TRIBE OF DAN THE LOST TRIBE OF DAN. THE EARLY JEWISH & CHRISTIAN VIEW OF THE IDENTITY OF THE ANTICHRIST. by. Janet Moser. ". . .the snorting of his horses was heard from ... http://watch.pair.com/dan.html [Who is antichrist but he who denies that Christ has come in the flesh.]

"....Some of the earilest attempts to trace the seed of Satan were some books which did extensive research on the Tribe of Dan and the decendents of Cain.

"The Curse of Canaan" is an interesting book along with its mate World Order by Eustice Mullins. One of the books which I looked with difficulty for before finding it, was Gerald Massey’s A Book of the Beginning (Secaucus, NJ: University Books, Inc., 1974.) The book goes in and shows in detail how the inhabitants of the British Isles came originally from Egypt. This is Important because (as this newsletter has always contended) the Druidism of the British Isles was simply a derivative from the Egyptian Satanic witchcraft/magic of Ancient Egypt....."

[note: The Tribe of Dan left Egypt before the Exodus of the other tribes, possibly with their cousin Zarah, the twin brother of Pharez of the Tribe of Judah; Jesus was descended from Pharez. Zarah was the one with the RED CORD on his wrist because he stuck his hand out first. Kaballah has one of its tenets the RED CORD ON THE WRIST. The British Monarchy claims descent from Zarah. Save this: THE ROYAL HOUSE OF BRITAIN http://www.asis.com/users/stag/royalty.html ]

"....The Illuminati is the continuation of the Mystery Religions of Babylon and Egypt. And the bloodlines of the Illuminati go back to people who at one time lived in Babylon and Egypt. Just how the House of David (the Satanic one) and the Holy Blood of the 13th family fit in with everything else in history I can’t say. I’m sure It would be a big story to tell If I knew. But I do feel that somehow the 13th Illuminati family does goes back to ancient times. Is this via the Tribe of Dan or via some Druidic bloodline or is it via the Merovingians or is it via all three’ And where do the Guelphs and Black Nobility fit Into this? Whatever the case, the 13th bloodline has amassed a great deal of power and wealth on this planet. The 13th bloodlIne lacks nothing to bring forth their Anti-Christ who will appear to have all the correct credentials. I would not even be surprised if their Anti-Christ in order to appear real will expose another Anti-Christ. The 13th bloodline has kept its geneologies very secret. I would welcome more Input from informed persons about this bloodline. The tribe of Dan was prophesied to be the black sheep of the nation of Israel which would bite the other tribes of Israel. The tribe of Dan had the *** snake and the **** eagle as its two logos. **** The tribe of Dan left its cailing card all over Europe as it migrated west in the **** names of many places. ***** The tribe of Dan ruled the Greeks, the Roman Empire, the Austro-Hungarian empire and many others which used the eagle as its logo.....

Great Britian is the mother country of Satanism.1 Scotland has long been an occult center. The national symbol of Scotland is the dragon (the snake), and for years the chief of Scotland was called the dragon. [note: search DRAGON COURT, CITY OF LONDON] The Gaelic language is an important language for Satanism, although English and French are also use extensively by the Illuminati. The planning sessions for world takeover that some ex-Satanists experienced were held in french. The British Royal Family have long been involved with the occult. For more information on this there is a detailed examination of the Royal family and the occult in the book The Prince and the Paranormal -the Psychic Bloodline of the Royal Family by John Dale (1987).2 They have also been actively involved with Freemasonry. (See the chart.) British MI6 has been a major vehicle for the Satanic hierarchy working behind the secret veil of Freemasonry to control world events.3 ]....."

TOP 13 ILLUMINATI BLOODLINES - MEROVINGIAN BLOODLINE

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/merovingian.htm

From a British-Israel [heresy] site:

"....There is overwhelming evidence that the monarchs of the British Isles and northwest Europe are all descended from the marriage of the Zarah-Judah-Milesian high king of Ireland and his bride the Pharez-Judah daughter of king Zedekiah, Tea Tephi. A more detailed account is on my Royalty and Jeremiah and Tea Tephi pages. For a better understanding of the whole subject area, I invite you to see all the Lost Tribes pages.

I always wondered if that same promise to David would hold true for other large groups of Israelites even though they weren't ruled by a monarch. If this was the case, then our US presidents should be found to be tied to the royalty of the Old World.

I came across some very tentative evidence. I found this to be true for a couple our presidents, but hadn't done any real research into the matter. I found that George Washington was of royal blood. I'd read that John F. Kennedy was tied to the Kings of Ireland, and even Ronald Reagan.

I asked about this on one of my mail lists and got a few additional bits of confirmation. But just the other day I found an amazing post in my In box. It seems that there is a group called Burke's Peerage - researchers of royal bloodlines since 1826. The whole thrust of the article in the post was concerning the predicted outcome of our 2000 election between George W. Bush and Al Gore. They picked Bush. Burke's Peerage hasn't guessed wrong for almost two centuries!...."

[more of the plot Psalm 2]

"...11-15-2000 (this post is from me to the group) On the other hand, I know of at least two US presidents who could trace their lineage back to English or Irish royalty. Both of these lines are of Judah.

We know with certainty that a bloodline descendent of King David has and will rule over some portion of the Israelites. This is being fulfilled by Queen Elizabeth today in England (Ephraim). But what about America? I have always theorized that if proper genealogical studies were done on all the US presidents that we would find Judah in their background.

Oh, and beside Washington and Kennedy, I remember that Reagan also had royal ties back to Ireland.

Clinton may not practice Judaism, but he may very well be a "generic" Jew; a descendent of Judah....."

Aug 2000

When mentioning the names of former US presidents who are listed on the "Kane [CAIN!] Ancestral Map" as being of Milesian descent, I neglected to mention that the name Ford also appears. If the research is accurate, it indicates former President Ford is also of Zarah/Judahite lineage. This is a good day to remember him in prayer as he struggles to recover from two strokes suffered earlier.

__________________________________________________

Aug 2000

The name "Clinton" appears on a list of 750 ancient Gaelic surnames which are descendants of the Milesian kings of Spain invaded and settled Ireland hundreds of years before the birth of Christ. The list also contains the names of many U.S. presidents. The Milesian kings were Zarah Judahites who originated in Egypt and left prior to the Exodus in ships owned by the Tuatha de Danaan (Tribe of Dan). This would indicate the blood of Judah does indeed flow through the veins of President Clinton!...."

"Bill Clinton's family goes back to William Henry Harrison and Benjamin Harrison, making him related to Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter. His kinship to Ford makes him 'near kin' to Richard Nixon and George Bush. Small world, isn't it?

"Royal Boy Chosen"

"There is no official documentation for what I am about to relate. I talked with a man in the summer of 1996 who claimed to be a descendant of the Rothschild banking family. He informed me that Bill Clinton used to attend their family functions as a boy.

"This man grew up in the same town with Clinton. They attended the same schools. He would see Bill at family get-togethers wearing a Jewish skullcap. According to him, Bill Clinton is a descendant of the Rothschild family.

"He said the rabbis would kiss his hand and refer to him as the Segulah Yeled Eklatosh--the 'royal-boy-chosen.' He said that according to private family records, the original Meyer Amschel (Bauer) Rothschild claimed to have had a heavenly visitor in 1773, who informed him that Jesus was not the Messiah. He told Meyer Amschel that the family from which he descended would produce the Messiah in the last half of the twentieth century.

"A few weeks later I read in 'The Jewish Festivals' by Hayyim Schauss (published in 1938) that the Roman Emperor Nero had faked his death, escaped and married a Jewish woman. The famous thirteenth century Rabbi Meir (also spelled Meyer) of Rothenberg, Germany, claimed direct descent from Nero. I called my Rothschild family friend and asked if there was a family connection. Two days later he called me back, and said 'Yes! The Rothschilds are descended from Nero!'..." ("Roots of the Presidents," by J. R. Church, Prophecy in the News, July 1998, pages 18-19).

[This article goes on to describe Nero's character and ends by saying Nero's Aramaic name (Nron Ksr) equals 666. They also show William Jefferson Clinton and Hillary Rodham Clinton as both adding up to 666 but the numbers are off as published.]

Prophecy Flash! Jan-Feb 1999 Triumph Prophetic Ministries

__________________________________________________

And now for the last straw that has cemented this subject for me. This is Burke's Peerage writing for itself on the subject of the Bush-Gore election.

Dear Brother Jack, I was sent this and reading your article thought you might be interested, your brother in Yah.

L O N D O N, October 25, 2000 Political Blue Blood - Bush and Gore's Bloodline Battle

Do presidential candidates Al Gore and George W. Bush have royal connections? Buckingham Palace politely declined to comment.

When it comes to picking the winner in the American presidential race, Britain's leading chroniclers of royal ancestors say they've never been wrong - not once in almost 200 years. Based on facts gleaned from the old scrolls and dusty archives of Burke's Peerage - researchers of royal bloodlines since 1826 - the Brits wager it will be Texas Gov. George W. Bush. "The presidential candidate with the most royal genes and chromosomes has, up to now, always won the White House," say the researchers at Burke's Peerage. They say Bush's blue blood runs thicker than Vice President Al Gore's. In fact it trumps the royal ties of every other President to date, including his father's. It seems George W. has inherited his mother's deep blue blood-line.

His Royal Highness, King Dubya

Burke's publishing director, Harold Brooks-Baker says Bush's royal connections are startling. "[Bush] is closely related to every European Monarch both on and off the throne," [NOTE: chief prince of Meshech and Tubal?] says Brooks-Baker. Some of the governor's royal kin include Britain's Queen Elizabeth II, the Queen Mother, Duchess Sarah "Fergy" Ferguson and even the late Princess Diana. His most prominent ancestor may be England's King Charles II, who shared the governor's vision of a strong military. Going back nearly 1000 years, Brooks-Baker points out both the Bush and Pierce families [Barbara Bush's maiden name is Pierce] were high society. "Not one member of his family was working class, middle class, or even middle, middle class," he notes.

Al's Family Hardly Peasants

Gore's family members weren't exactly peasants. The vice president's family tree includes Charlemagne and three Holy Roman emperors. And a good fight wouldn't frighten the vice president's most famous ancestor, England's Edward I - best known today as the king who defeated, then executed Braveheart. Edward was also said to be very popular with the ladies. His descendent, Al Gore certainly won the hearts of many American ladies with "that kiss" he publicly planted on wife Tipper. Although Gore is running a bit behind Bush in the European royal count, his blood-line runs close to some American home-grown nobility, including Thomas Jefferson, Daniel Boone, and "Buffalo Bill" Cody.

Trump Card

Buckingham Palace politely declined to comment on the recorded royal connections of either candidate. "This sort of thing happens every time there's an American Presidential Election," scoffed one palace official. But if the Burke's Peerage prediction has its doubters, the company doesn't hesitate to defend its crowning legacy. "You can't just write off 200 years of accurate predictions," says Brooks-Baker pointing out Mike Dukakis learned about the "royal factor" the hard way. The 1988 Democratic nominee and son of Greek immigrants had no connections to any European thrones, and he lost in a landslide.

October Surprise?

Although Bush maintains a clear royal advantage, Burke's Peerage claims to know why the race is so close. "Never in the history of the United States have two presidential candidates been as well endowed with royal alliances." However the royal researchers are hedging their bets saying their dig through the documents continues. Brooks-Baker says Gore still has a chance to prove he's "royal enough" for the top job. "Like Jimmy Carter, it is possible that he is the product of several royal love children of the past," Brooks-Baker says. "Those connections are harder to trace." Thus Burke's Peerage leaves open the possibility for an October surprise - and either a Bush, or a Gore, coronation Nov. 7.

If They Were Alive Today

Bush's most famous relative, England's King Charles II built a strong military, but at record spending levels. His health care plan proved to be a disaster during his reign - as 70,000 perished from the plague in London alone. If Charles were alive today, he might have been useful to Bush with his strong Catholic ties, and a proven victory in New York. (Charles walloped what was then the Dutch colony "New Amsterdam.") Gore's most famous relative fought back considerable uprisings from Scotland's William Wallace and the Welsh. But England's King Edward also faced public scrutiny for his (military) campaign fundraising. Though generally regarded as a successful lawmaker and administrator, record tax increases he imposed to fight Scotland and Wales made the king highly unpopular with his key constituents.

THE TIES THAT BIND

The following is a geanealogy chart that appears in "Bloodlines of the Illuminati", by Fritz Springmeier. At least 25 American Presidents are related to each other. Please pay particular attention to the prominence of the Cheney family. If this is the Cheney that we know, then he and GW Bush are relatives. And the antiquity of the Cheney line explains why they pulled Dick out of retirement to help Dubya run things.

Who says the Elite don't run this country, and have run this country from the beginning?......"SEE CHART......

"Now, tell me that God isn't three things: Real, In Control and Faithful to His word of Promise.

Just amazing, Lord!"

US ROYAL PRESIDENTS http://www.asis.com/users/stag/uspres.html

Yes, the Lord is faithful to His promise, but not the way THEY would like:

Why do the HEATHEN RAGE [conspire] and IMAGINE A VAIN THING? The KINGS OF THE EARTH ....and the rulers....and the judges of the earth.....gather against the LORD and His annointed.....Psalm 2.

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Rev 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rev/Rev003.html#9

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thought i'd spice it up a little on this Labor Day.

Isa 14:3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, **** and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa014.html#3

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-09-03   12:52:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: lodwick (#6)

hope I'm documenting our deliverance from 400 years of bondage, ever since they planted that cross at Cape Henry in 1607.....

......Isa 52:12 For ye shall not go out with haste, nor go by flight: for the LORD will go before you; and the God of Israel [will be] your rereward.

Isa 52:13 ¶ Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.

Isa 52:14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:

Isa 52:15 So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for [that] which had not been told them shall they see; and [that] which they had not heard shall they consider.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa052.html#12

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-09-03   12:57:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#7) (Edited)

Ford also appears. If the research is accurate, it indicates former President Ford is also of Zarah/Judahite lineage.

Gerald Ford was adopted by a man named Ford. He had been born with the family name of King. (A banker).

I did a geneological search on Zarah via the internet (simply going from one generation to the next by clicking "next") and after about 42 generations hit upon King Edward the 1st ... Longshanks.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-09-03   13:13:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: noone222 (#9)

Edward I (17 June 1239 – 7 July 1307), popularly known as Longshanks[1], also as "Edward the Lawgiver" or "the English Justinian" because of his legal reforms, [typical...."Dan shall JUDGE his people...."] and as "Hammer of the Scots",[2 achieved fame as the monarch who conquered Wales and who tried to do the same to Scotland. He reigned from 1272 to 1307, ascending the throne of England on 21 November 1272 after the death of his father, King Henry III of England. His mother was queen consort Eleanor of Provence. He was voted the 92nd greatest Briton in the 2002 poll of 100 Greatest Britons.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_I_of_England

Jacob is His battle axe, I guess...but that will end...

Jer 51:20 — Thou [art] my battle axe [and] weapons of war: for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms;

Isa 10:15 Shall the axe boast itself against him that heweth therewith? [or] shall the saw magnify itself against him that shaketh it? as if the rod should shake [itself] against them that lift it up, [or] as if the staff should lift up [itself, as if it were] no wood.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jer/51/20.html

There's a passage...I can't find it...that says something like: the nations say to us we have destroyed cities and nations, but we won't do it anymore...what a relief that day will be for the world.

There's another passage about who the Israelites could take for servants: the nations around them, or something like that. However they were NOT to make servants of their fellow Israelites, and not to MARRY the Canaanites, etc. Dan's mother Bilhah was a bondwoman, and one of Jacob's wives....so by deduction, I think that is where the tribe of JAPHETH comes in. God said he CAST OFF THREE SHEPHERDS because His soul abhorred them, and vice verse. When the Bible talks about God abhorring someone, it is usually about idolatry. I think he cast off Jeroboam [of Ephraim], the Danites, and that Levite priest in Judges 18 [at another point God says He will not cast off ALL the tribe of Levi, but will take also of the Gentiles [nations] to be Levites ["priests", i.e., shepherds, Rev. 5:9-10] which implies that He had cast off a part of it. Somewhere in THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE, it is stated by the Khazars, that they are THREE OF THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL. Furthermore, somewhere in there, it states that they worshipped the snake, and possibly, the eagle. Therefore, I disagree that the Khazars have NO relation to Abraham. Is it possible there would be TWO peoples who could be as antiGod as the original people who ignored God over and over, while claiming to be His people, and crucified Christ and continue to do so today? I rather doubt it.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-09-03   14:10:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#10) (Edited)

Edward I (17 June 1239 – 7 July 1307), popularly known as Longshanks[1], also as "Edward the Lawgiver" or "the English Justinian" because of his legal reforms, [typical...."Dan shall JUDGE his people

where the tribe (???) of JAPHETH comes in.

Zarah and descendants would be Judah lineage rather than Dan.

SIDENOTE: The famous English, Scottish, Irish Coronation Stone aka "Stone of Scone" aka "Liafail" or "Stone of Destiny" [see Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Stone_of_Scone ] was captured by King Edward the 1st. This stone is thought to be the stone upon which Jacob/Israel laid his head. Some are also of the belief that this is the stone that Moses struck in order to obtain water while traversing the desert 40 years. (Another scripture has this stone present when a coronation took effect after the rightful heir to the throne was thought to be dead/murdered and returned. I don't recall the exact scripture off hand.)

In 1296 the Stone was captured by Edward I as spoils of war and taken to Westminster Abbey, where it was fitted into a wooden chair, known as St. Edward's Chair, on which all subsequent English sovereigns except Queen Mary II have been crowned.

JAPHETH is named at Genesis 10:3 as one of the three sons of Noah. His descendants included Ashkenaz (Khazars) and others all of which are named as attackers of "Israel" (the tribes of Israel, not the country so named) in the last times. The descendants of Japeth are foretold to "reside in the tents of "SHEM" which appears to be the case. All of the Israelite Tribes descend from Shem through Abraham. Japeth is a separate branch of the family tree not connected to the Tribes of Israel through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. [Not heirs to the promises].

I maintain an open mind regarding the migrations of the tribes, inter-marriages between tribes etc., and a variety of theories are possible. Older Bibles contain a map that illustrates where Shem, Ham and Japeth are thought to have settled after departing the Ark. Japeth in Eastern Europe, Shem in the Middle - East, and Ham in Africa. Whether this is accurate is anyone's guess but it fits the historical account related to Japeth/Ashkenaz = Ashkenazi Jews.

The Tribe of Dan is an interesting study. Many speculations are made regarding them. The Tuatha de Danaan (Some say are the Tribe of Dan) settled in Ireland and may have been the celts. There are many rivers and nations named that could easily have been named by this tribe, such as Denmark, the Danube, Dnieper, ...

A good map of Europe will show dozens of place names carrying the name of Dan within them. The Don, Dnieper, Dniester and Danube rivers all flow into the Black Sea. The Romans knew the Rhine and Rhone rivers as the Eridanus and the Rhodanus. Denmark (literally, "Dan's Land") and Sweden are both northwestern European countries. The English escaped from Dunkirk (literally, "Dan's Church") during WWII. One can find similar place names sprinkled heavily throughout England, Scotland, and especially Ireland, where dun means "judge," just as dan does in Hebrew!

Mysteries too innumerable to discern them all may some day be made manifest ... I hope !

EDIT: I also find it somewhat revealing that King Edward the 1st expelled all JEWS in 1290 AD. (He was a descendant of Judah himself, as have been the other British (Brit-ish = Covenant-Man, in Hebrew) monarchs, yet he wasn't a JEW ! Those calling themselves Jews are not necessarily Israelites. This distinction is relevant but seems to be a hard lesson for for many to understand .

You make an interesting point by mentioning Dan. Look at the name Dardanelles.

From WIKI: The strait has long had a strategic role in history. The ancient city of Troy (Established by "Darda", son of Zarah - my insert) was located near the western entrance of the strait and the strait's Asiatic shore was the focus of the Trojan War. It was also the scene of the legendary Greek story of Hero and Leander. The Persian army of Xerxes I and later the Macedonian army of Alexander the Great crossed the Dardanelles in opposite directions to invade each other's lands, in 480 BC and 334 BC respectively. The Dardanelles were vital to the defense of Constantinople during the Byzantine period, and since the 14th century they have almost continuously been controlled by the Turks.

Possibly, the Dardanelles are named for both Darda and Dan.

Some of the Psalms usually attributed to King David were actually written by the Sons of Zarah, who were considered to be as wise as Solomon.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-09-04   6:47:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: noone222 (#11)

oh lordie...i was looking to close a few windows, and you gave me some more to chew on.

i want so badly to comment on all of this, some of which i have been reading about [again, because the tribe of dan, for some reason i can't even explain, is kind of a side obsession of mine, a riddle that draws me and repels me at the same time...any info or insights you have on them are always welcome...send them to my mailbox, please, so i don't miss them ] the last couple of days on some websites i had not seen before.

Look at the name Dardanelles.

From WIKI: The strait has long had a strategic role in history. The ancient city of Troy (Established by "Darda", son of Zarah - my insert)

[i have read Troy was founded by Danites]

...was located near the western entrance of the strait and the strait's Asiatic shore was the focus of the Trojan War. It was also the scene of the legendary Greek story of Hero and Leander.

[i have read Homer referred to the Greeks as Danites]

The Persian army of Xerxes I and later the Macedonian army of Alexander the Great crossed the Dardanelles in opposite directions to invade each other's lands, in 480 BC and 334 BC respectively. The Dardanelles were vital to the defense of Constantinople during the Byzantine period, and since the 14th century they have almost continuously been controlled by the Turks.

[okay, my knowledge of history you can put in a thimble....but aren't the Turks referred to HORSEMAN tribes? One of Dan's symbols is the horse. The Danites are known as the pioneers of Israel....their land "didn't go out enough for them"...they went out to conquer...look what they did to Laish on the permission of the false prophet in Judges 18.]

Possibly, the Dardanelles are named for both Darda and Dan.

[sounds right to me]

Some of the Psalms usually attributed to King David were actually written by the Sons of Zarah, who were considered to be as wise as Solomon.

now THAT's interesting....Zarah is sometimes referred to as the hidden hand...there's a BREACH between Pharez and Zarah, and that is where some of the delusions come in, and are expressed in the whole British-Israel/WHITE Christian Identity thing. [Jesus is the repairer of the breach, not Zarah]. I've read about the so-called 'Stone of Destiny'/Lia Fail, and that is one of the things that cropped up again in my reading of the last few day. It's nonsense, don't you know, but there is a family feud going on over it, that I'm trying to get to the bottom of...this is where I get repelled...some of it is so silly I can hardly bear reading it. I don't consider Solomon wise...I think he became as a fool...and if you say Zarah wrote some of those Psalms, I'll put my money on him writing that weird Psalm 119, with all those Hebrew subtitles, because that is so out of character with the rest of the Psalms, which are prophetic of Jesus and His New World Order of grace.....law, law, law, law, law, that's all it talks about [or WHINES about...it should have been put in LAMENTATIONS if you ask me].

A good map of Europe will show dozens of place names carrying the name of Dan within them. The Don, Dnieper, Dniester and Danube rivers all flow into the Black Sea.

right...and where did the KHAZARS come from....between the BLACK AND CASPIAN SEAS. Why couldn't the Khazars be tribe of Dan?

and where did Japheth/Gog and Magog start out? all up in that area. Go to http://blueletterbible.org and type gog and magog into the search engine. pull up any verse in the OT...there should be an "I" beside it, for "Image". Go there and find the Old Testament Map....Gog and Magog and Japheth are all up there in that area. I think the Danites were kicked out of Israel [or left to go exploring] and went back to their home territory....the story of Bilhah, Dan's mother, begins close to there. They probably still had family up there. I think she was from Japheth, and maybe had a little Cain thrown in, although I have not been able to confirm that.

The descendants of Japeth are foretold to "reside in the tents of "SHEM" which appears to be the case. All of the Israelite Tribes descend from Shem through Abraham. Japeth is a separate branch of the family tree not connected to the Tribes of Israel through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. [Not heirs to the promises].

I maintain an open mind regarding the migrations of the tribes, inter-marriages between tribes etc., and a variety of theories are possible.

This is the biggest problem I have with Christian Identity....thinking that only "Israelites of the flesh" are heirs to the promise. In the first place, the Israelites were never a "pure" race. They married the Canaanites, Hittites, Hivites, etc etc. Some of Jacob's wives were BONDWOMEN. They weren't Israelites by "race". If the Israelites were marrying CANAANITES, what would keep them from marrying JAPHETHITES, who were the lesser of the "evils"? They were not supposed to make servants of their "fellow Israelites", so those bondwomen were either from Japheth or Ham/Canaanites. They weren't SUPPOSED to marry Canaanites, and it seems Jacob would have adhered to that, so it seems logical those bondwomen were from JAPHETH. And as far as that goes, all that race stuff went out the window when Jesus died on the cross for ALL John 3:16. [And if it didn't, whatcha gonna do when you stand before Jesus, and He says, "Sorry, you had a Canaanite in the woodpile, so you don't qualify to come into my kingdom"...only PUREBLOODS come in here."]. Even as far back as Ezekiel, God said every man would die for his own sins, NOT his father's. That released the individual Canaanite from the curse of Canaan. Wasn't there even a Canaanite in Mary's woodpile? First will be last, and last will be first...what do you suppose He meant by that? Maybe that the Canaanites would accept Jesus before a lot of the so-called Semites would.

Rev. 5:9-10 shows the "kingdom of priests and kings" was taken from the old kingdom and was transferred to the Christians. "Ye are a chosen generation...." [look up at blueletter....told first to the Israelites, and then to the Christians...."the kingdom shall be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruit thereof"]. The priests and kings are not by race...they are from every tribe, nation and tongue...as God prophesied in Gen. 49:18-21. Quoting from a study Bible [Concordia, NIV]: 66:21 "some of them" + No longer will only Levites be eligible to become priests as in the old covenant; all of spiritual Israel will be a "holy priesthood" (1Peter 2:5,9)

There's another note on v. 19:

"...Tubal. Usually mentioned with MESHECH (See Gen 10:2 .....; Eze 27:13; 38:2-3; 39:1). It was probably a region southest of the Black Sea...."

right...and it is also associated with Tubal-CAIN...even some of them will be priests and kings, according to the Bible!

To accept British Israelism/White Christian Identity, you have to totally deny that Christ chose Paul to be His disciple to the Gentiles (which means "nations" in the concordance), and his teaching that "not all are Israel who are of Israel....The children of the flesh, these are not the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted for the seed....the seed is Christ....and if you are Christ's, then are you Abraham's seed, AND HEIRS TO THE PROMISE."

Jesus told us to spread the Gospel. Gospel means GOOD NEWS. What is good about the news that only people who are some particular race can be the children of God, and dwell with Him forever. It's just more of the same dreary stuff to keep people enslaved. Jesus came to set the world FREE. To release the captives from the prison of death and hopelessness. Even some of these people that bought into all this British-Israel stuff have died without hope. One of these apparently was Winston Churchill, conspirator, of "Jewish" extraction, who ON HIS DEATHBED, kept saying, no hope, no hope..... He's right....there is no hope outside of Jesus Christ. There are Jews in Israel who are being pulled from the fire by a Messianic Jew, who had Jews tell him they didn't think they could be Christians because of their race! Good heavens! How did our message of hope get so far off track?? Jesus is the hope OF THE WORLD! People are dying because this message has been waylaid. It's time to get back to doing what He told us...the LAST THING before He went up on that cloud....PREACH THE GOSPEL [THE GOOD NEWS!....I HAVE COME THAT ALL WHO BELIEVE IN ME SHALL HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE...MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS]....the last thing in the world "they" want, btw, [see the speech in red at the bottom of the page...THE JEWS AND THEIR LIES http://biblebelievers.org].

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-09-04   15:21:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#12)

I've read about the so-called 'Stone of Destiny'/Lia Fail, and that is one of the things that cropped up again in my reading of the last few day. It's nonsense, don't you know,

Jesus told us to spread the Gospel. Gospel means GOOD NEWS. What is good about the news that only people who are some particular race can be the children of God, and dwell with Him forever.

I don't believe that it is nonsense. I believe that Jeremiah and Baruch carried it to Ireland. The stone is made of rock found in the Palestine area ... not native to England, Scotland or Ireland and has 12 places on it where it is presumed the representative Israelite family jewels once rested. The Royals of Europe don't play games with their heritage other than not letting us in on it. The Brits thought Hitler would take the stone during WW II so they hid it and either sent a map to Canada or the stone itself to prevent its loss. The stone has been an official part of the coronation process for 2500 years. (Maybe longer !)

Personally, I think much of the British - Israel message is sound, while at the same time I don't think anyone has it exactly right yet. There's way more to Jacob/Israel than meets the eye. I think it possible that Jacob/Israel was a "Hyksos" King of Egypt. I hope one day that someone with the ability and expertise will be able to explain the Hyksos (sheperd) Kings of Egypt. When Jacob and his sons went to Egypt they were treated like Royalty, lived in the primo real estate (Goshen) and had all of their needs met.

God is no respector of persons, we know this because He has warned us. So, that should satisfy anyone interested in knowing Him and having an eternal relationship with Him. He is in control, of this I am certain. I've attempted to figure out how God will manage to keep His word, and am pretty sure He's got a better solution than I do. Even though I've tried to say it before, I think I should say it again.

I think there is Redemption and Salvation ... Redemption is blood related and Salvation is to the faithful. The 12 Tribes will rule over the "kingdom", and those residing there will likely be other Israelites and those that lived their life by faith, voluntarily choosing to operate their lives according to the word of God because they determined that God was the way, the truth, and the life eternal. (And truly had "FAITH" in the ancient of times, the eternal lawgiver, and creator of the universe).

I have a million questions myself. The race thing is one of them. And when I start trying to out think God I remember who is the Potter and who is the clay.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-09-04   19:49:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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