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Title: Controversy continues over Limbaugh's 'phony soldiers' comment [veteran discusses Rush's boils]
Source: The USA Today
URL Source: http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/10/phony-soldiers-.html
Published: Oct 3, 2007
Author: USA Today
Post Date: 2007-10-03 19:33:57 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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Views: 187
Comments: 10

Controversy continues over Limbaugh's 'phony soldiers' comment

The political uproar over what conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh meant last week when he referred to "phony soldiers" who oppose the war in Iraq continues.

Limbaugh, according to this story at FoxNews.com, on Tuesday described an Iraq veteran who appears in a new TV ad that is critical of the talk show host as having been turned into something akin to a suicide bomber by the liberal anti-war veterans group that produced the ad.

"This is such a blatant use of a valiant combat veteran, lying to him about what I said and then strapping those lies to his belt, sending him out via the media and a TV ad to walk into as many people as he can walk into. This man will always be a hero to this country with everyone. Whoever pumped him full of these lies about what I said and embarrassed him with this ad has betrayed him, they aren't hurting me they are betraying this soldier," Limbaugh said, according to FoxNews.

That veteran, Brian McGough, has fired back at Limbaugh: "So, Rush Limbaugh called me a 'suicide bomber.' More slander from the high and mighty sitting in his chair nursing the boils on his ass. I can assure you that I am no suicide bomber and that I can think for myself."

Limbaugh's boss at Clear Channel Communications, CEO Mark Mays, has responded to a demand from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid that the company discipline Limbaugh with a letter stating -- in part -- that:

"Over the years Mr. Limbaugh has repeatedly praised the dedication and valor of our brave men and women in uniform. Given Mr. Limbaugh's history of support for our soldiers, it would be unfair for me to assume his statements were intended to personally indict combat soldiers simply because they didn't share his own beliefs regarding the war in Iraq."

A Reid spokesman, Jim Manley, has responded to Limbaugh's challenge to the senator -- that he come on the air to discuss the whole issue -- with a statement: "This would be funny if it didn't come from a guy who spends his whole time hiding in a studio while staff screens his calls."

Retired U.S. general Wesley Clark, a Democratic presidential candidate in 2004, has written at The Huffington Post that Limbaugh's show should be taken off Armed Forces Radio.

Now, to help make sense of all this:

Our original post from Friday about what Limbaugh said, with links to his transcript of the show, is here.

Limbaugh's website has many more transcripts, and he spent considerable time yesterday talking about the controversy. As you'll see, he says he was thinking of one person -- a war critic whose claims about having served in Iraq turned out to be untrue -- when he said "phony soldiers." And here's one transcript that Limbaugh has headlined "Dissection of the Democratic Smear."

Our post from yesterday has much more, including the VoteVets ad and more than 1,400 comments from USA TODAY On Politics readers.

Finally, as we said when this all started, this seems to have become a controversy with many similarities to the one over the liberal group MoveOn.org Political Action's "General Betray Us" ad, so you may want to revisit the posts we've done about that -- including this one and this one.

Update at 1:50 p.m. ET. Fred Thompson speaks up for Limbaugh:

"Congressional Democrats are trying to divert attention from insulting our military leader in Iraq and pandering to the loony left by attacking Rush Limbaugh," Republican presidential candidate Fred Thompson says in a statement just e-mailed to reporters by his campaign staff. "He is one of the strongest supporters of our troops, yet Democrats claim he is not being strong enough. I wonder who Gen. Petraeus and his troops think is most supportive."

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#1. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-10-04   10:52:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: ghostdogtxn (#1)

The humor of the 'boil' remark was Rush's dodging the draft for reasons, he claimed at the time, of a boil in his behind.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2007-10-04   13:56:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#2) (Edited)

Randi Rhodes often says on her radio show how she had the same kind of anal cyst, and had it removed by a simple outpatient procedure, after which she was able to enlist in the Air Force.

I wonder if the son of federal judge Rush Limbaugh, Sr. had friends on the local draft board.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-10-04   14:03:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: aristeides (#3)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-10-04   16:20:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: ghostdogtxn (#4)

I thought Rush's real name was "Jeff Christie" or some such...

That was his DJ name when he worked in Pittsburgh in the 1970s. Also the name he was arrested under for propositioning an undercover (male) cop at a local cruising spot.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-10-04   16:27:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Mekons4 (#5)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-10-04   16:43:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: ghostdogtxn (#6)

That's the swinging "bachelor" Rushbo, alright.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-10-04   16:45:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: aristeides (#3)

Randi Rhodes often says on her radio show how she had the same kind of anal cyst, and had it removed by a simple outpatient procedure, after which she was able to enlist in the Air Force.

I was surprised to read that Randi Rhodes was an Airforce mechanic - like wow! Very impressive.

I'm curious though - sometimes callers refer to her as Dr. Rhodes - does she have a PhD?

scrapper2  posted on  2007-10-04   16:56:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: scrapper2 (#8)

I believe she lacks academic degrees. But she is certainly self-educated.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-10-05   9:23:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: aristeides (#9) (Edited)

On Tucker Carlson's MSNBC show tonight, he was discussing Elizabeth Edwards' remarks today about Limbaugh's draft-dodging, and Tucker kept saying, "What about John Edwards? He was 18 in 1971." Tucker's guest, Ed Shultz, had no reply to that.

What Ed Shultz should've said was, no one born in 1953 (as Edwards was) was involuntarily drafted, because the draft ended before they were eligible under the rules then in place (which were based on year of birth). Limbaugh was born in 1951 and thus eligible.

(I say "involuntarily drafted" because conceivably someone could've requested to be drafted, as Dukakis did in the 1950s so that he'd serve 2 years instead of the 3 for voluntary enlistees.)


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2007-10-05   19:49:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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