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Title: Romney: 'Freedom requires religion'
Source: CNN
URL Source: http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/06/romney.speech/index.html
Published: Dec 6, 2007
Author: Kristi Keck
Post Date: 2007-12-06 12:39:47 by Alan Chapman
Keywords: None
Views: 1964
Comments: 59

White House hopeful Mitt Romney said religious liberty "is fundamental to America's greatness," in his Thursday address on faith in America.

Romney, seeking to become the first Mormon president, explained how his faith would affect his presidency in his speech at former President George H. W. Bush's presidential library at Texas A&M University.

"There are some who may feel that religion is not a matter to be seriously considered in the context of the weighty threats that face us. If so, they are at odds with the nation's founders," Romney said.

"Freedom requires religion, just as religion requires freedom. Freedom opens the windows of the soul so that man can discover his most profound beliefs and commune with God. Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone," he said.

The former Massachusetts governor delivered the speech to address religion's role in government as well as concerns voters might have about the Mormon religion.

CNN contributor Bill Bennett said he wasn't sure that Romney addressed those concerns, "but I don't think he had to."

Bennett said the speech was one that any of the Republicans and most of the Democratic candidates could have given.

Another CNN contributor, Roland Martin, said the setting for the speech was a good one -- "in the heart of the Bible Belt."

Romney spoke before a crowd of about 300 people: a combination of friends, family and religious and conservative leaders.

"I think he was saying, 'I am a person of faith, forget which faith it is,' " Martin said.

The GOP contender, who had brushed off comparisons to John F. Kennedy's famous address, didn't hesitate to mention the 1960 speech.

"Almost 50 years ago another candidate from Massachusetts explained that he was an American running for president, not a Catholic running for president," Romney said.

"Like him, I am an American running for president. I do not define my candidacy by my religion. A person should not be elected because of his faith nor should he be rejected because of his faith."

Kennedy took the stage in Houston, Texas, and addressed concerns that the Vatican would influence his policies.

Like Kennedy, Romney told the audience that his church would not influence his presidential decisions. Romney said he did not "confuse" religion and politics as governor and he would not do it as president.

"If I am fortunate to become your president, I will serve no one religion, no one group, no one cause, and no one interest. A president must serve only the common cause of the people of the United States," he said.

Romney, however, said he would not distance himself from his religion.

"I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it. My faith is the faith of my fathers -- I will be true to them and to my beliefs," he said, adding that if his faith hurts his candidacy, "so be it."

Romney avoided explaining differences in his church's beliefs and other faiths.

"Each religion has its own unique doctrines and history. These are not bases for criticism but rather a test of our tolerance. Religious tolerance would be a shallow principle indeed if it were reserved only for faiths with which we agree," he said.

"No candidate should become the spokesman for his faith. For if he becomes president he will need the prayers of the people of all faiths," he said.

Romney instead pointed to similarities between churches in America, saying they share a "common creed of moral convictions."

Romney said he thought some have taken the idea of separation of church and state beyond its original meaning by trying to remove any acknowledgment of God from the public arena.

"It is as if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America -- the religion of secularism. They are wrong," he said.

Nearly 77 percent of those questioned in an October CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll said the fact that a candidate is a Mormon would not be a factor in the way they vote for president. But a significant portion -- 19 percent -- said they are less likely to vote for a Mormon.

"Those who have the biggest problem supporting a Mormon are churchgoing and evangelical Christians -- particularly those who believe that Mormonism is not a Christian religion," Schneider said, citing the October poll.

And that also represents a large portion of the Republican base.

Romney faces a different religious climate than Kennedy, who wasn't viewed as a prominent player in Catholic circles. Kennedy told the Texas crowd, "I am not the Catholic candidate for president. I am the Democratic Party's candidate for president who happens also to be a Catholic."

"Non-Catholics expected Kennedy to say his faith would make no difference, which is hardly what today's Republican Christian conservatives want to hear," religion reporter Dick Ostling said in an interview with ReligionWriter.

Romney, however, is active in his church. At age 19, he became a full-time missionary of the Mormon church, temporarily leaving college to fulfill a Mormon calling and eventually becoming the equivalent of a bishop.

Romney later made a fortune in the business world, and played a big role in the financial success of the 2002 Olympic winter games. In 2002, he defeated the Democrats and became governor of traditionally liberal Massachusetts.

In 1960, Kennedy was already the Democratic Party nominee when he made his famous speech. Romney, on the other hand, has yet to seal his party's nomination. He is still vying for his party's vote, and the evangelical Christian vote in particular, which some say puts him in a more difficult position than Kennedy.

"Romney will address deeply committed religious Republicans and tell them, 'My values are the same as yours, even if we belong to different churches,' '' Schneider said. advertisement

Brushing off differences between Mormons and other Christians is not the best campaign strategy, according to Ostling in RW.

"Better to candidly admit there are differences but these should not affect voting decisions," Ostling told RW. "The more effective plea is tolerance, asking voters to follow the spirit of the Constitution's ban on any 'religious test' to hold public office."

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#19. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#8)

It'll be a long time. It's virtually impossible to get elected without some professed belief in Biblical dogma.

Personally, I look forward to the day when nobody is elected. Browse through a few dozen profiles on MySpace, watch some YouTube videos, and ask yourself if any of those people should have and control over how you and yours should be allowed to live your lives. It's likely that they can't even control their own.

Alan Chapman  posted on  2007-12-06   18:30:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: christine (#18)

there's nothing else in life in which it would be prudent to accept it merely on faith without having first researched evidence of proof.

The older I get the more I see those w/o answers taking comfort in the promise of a paradise. They tried to beat that notion into me as a kid to no avail. It seems Marx did get religion right.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-06   20:36:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Jethro Tull (#20)

Romney: 'Freedom requires religion'

Dakmar: 'Romney deserves a punch in the face'

What bugs me is that he's less popular among the statist crowd than Rudy.

We sure have some hard core idiots in this country.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-12-06   20:44:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Alan Chapman (#0)

Could of been said by Jefferson

Ron Paul has issued a statement of his personal faith that should satisfy Protestant Christians of any persuasion:

I have never been one who is comfortable talking about my faith in the political arena. In fact, the pandering that typically occurs in the election season I find to be distasteful. But for those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do. I know, as you do, that our freedoms come not from man, but from God. My record of public service reflects my reverence for the Natural Rights with which we have been endowed by a loving Creator.

robnoel  posted on  2007-12-06   20:53:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Dakmar (#21)

I can't get past his first name. Is his wife a "Buffy." His daughter, "Muffy." Enough of these country clubbers. They wouldn't hire us to cut their lawns, yet they play the role of a leader? They're all the same.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-06   20:56:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull (#23)

Report any suspicions to your local FCC supervisor, right?

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-12-06   21:01:21 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Dakmar (#24)

Right, and make sure to feed the reindeer the special oat and corn mix on the 23rd.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-06   21:10:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Dakmar (#21)

We sure have some hard core idiots in this country.

Blasphemer!


Hey-Sus is gonna get ya!

Flintlock  posted on  2007-12-06   21:34:04 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Flintlock (#26)

Cool! G.I. Jeebus.

My hands are always dirty, but my conscience is always clean.

Esso  posted on  2007-12-06   21:37:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Esso (#27)

you own personal Jeebus

christine  posted on  2007-12-06   21:46:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Flintlock (#26)

hey, T. good to see you. still stateside?

christine  posted on  2007-12-06   21:46:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: christine (#29)

still stateside?

Maybe..........

Flintlock  posted on  2007-12-06   21:58:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Alan Chapman (#0)

Mitt just lost.

Even Repukes have a bunch of people who are agnostics.

A cultist telling me he is not into religion is so insane. I dunno if the Scientologists, Moonies, Mormons or Southern Baptists are more insane than others, but really, all religion is crazy. They're just nuttier.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2007-12-06   22:13:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Dakmar (#21)

What bugs me is that he's less popular among the statist crowd than Rudy.

We sure have some hard core idiots in this country.

The MSM dotes over Mittens as if he wrote that speech himself. Selling it to the sheeples hook, line and sinker as original thought. Come on now, if any credit is to be given it must go to some speech writer. After the debacle of George W., how can the sheeples be so silly as to fall for this load of politically correct bs again?

Ron Paul is the only writing his own speeches. He's thinking on his feet and not relying on idiotic sound bites to carry him through a debate or press conference.

Romney reminds me of a well groomed parrot.

abraxas  posted on  2007-12-06   22:23:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Dakmar (#24)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-06   22:48:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: abraxas (#32)

Romney reminds me of a well groomed parrot.

laughing (and at "Mittens")

christine  posted on  2007-12-06   23:53:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Jethro Tull (#33)

In WW2, in the American Army, guess what group had the highest percentage of men serving????????

Cynicom  posted on  2007-12-07   0:01:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: christine (#18)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-12-07   0:13:13 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: abraxas (#32)

Romney reminds me of a well groomed parrot.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-07   0:14:50 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: TwentyTwelve (#37)

Most excellent...

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-07   0:19:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: TwentyTwelve (#37)

--

Can Fox News Blame Anti-Mormon Bigotry on YouTube, Liberals?

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-12-07   0:22:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: FOH (#38)

"Jihad"

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-07   0:28:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Alan Chapman (#0)

Romney: 'Freedom requires religion'

This is right up their with Tony Blair's unbeatable idiotic statement "We have to do it because we must" concerning the Iraq invasion debacle.

No one can top that - well Bush might.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2007-12-07   0:50:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: christine (#18)

what amazes me is this idea that christianity should be accepted with blind faith. there's nothing else in life in which it would be prudent to accept it merely on faith without having first researched evidence of proof.

That echoes a conversation I had with a friend a few years ago, the late Pastor Bob Cryder (R.I.P. my friend)(In the interest of full disclosure I have never been a practicing Christian but I respect religion and share some beliefs in common with my Christian friends). He had a local Sunday Radio Program that centered on spirituality and would occasionally have another Pastor as a co-host. Bob and I were basically of the same mind - the lessons of the Bible were meant to be understood not rotely regurgitated and we had a spirited on-air discussion upon that very point with his young co-host who was from the blind faith, Southern Baptist, camp. If one is going to actually practice a religion one needs to understand it and not just accept without examination. True spirituality is gained through understanding not blind faith. Blind faith is simply blind.

"When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather - not screaming in terror like his passengers." - Unk.

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-12-07   1:02:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Jethro Tull (#23)

I can't get past his first name. Is his wife a "Buffy." His daughter, "Muffy." Enough of these country clubbers.

I know one of his sons is named Tagg. the only one with a semi-normal name was poor Seamus the dog and they tied him to the roof.

kiki  posted on  2007-12-07   1:02:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: tom007 (#41)

This is right up their with Tony Blair's unbeatable idiotic statement "We have to do it because we must" concerning the Iraq invasion debacle.

No one can top that - well Bush might.

Right after we put food on our family.

"When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather - not screaming in terror like his passengers." - Unk.

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-12-07   1:04:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#8)

How long before we get a Scientologist as a serious candidate for President?

I dunno, I might vote for John Travolta.

I'm of the belief that scientology was a hoax that became too lucrative to give up. I'm not sure I'd classify it as a religion.

kiki  posted on  2007-12-07   1:08:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Original_Intent (#44)

Right after we put food on our family.

a classic :)

kiki  posted on  2007-12-07   1:14:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Alan Chapman (#3) (Edited)

This country was founded with a cross and a dedication to spreading the gospel.

That's a myth spread primarily by Christians.

The First Charter of Virginia; April 10, 1606 (1)

JAMES, by the Grace of God, King of England, Scotland, France and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, &c. WHEREAS our loving and well-disposed Subjects, Sir Thorn as Gales, and Sir George Somers, Knights, Richard Hackluit, Clerk, Prebendary of Westminster, and Edward-Maria Wingfield, Thomas Hanharm and Ralegh Gilbert, Esqrs. William Parker, and George Popham, Gentlemen, and divers others of our loving Subjects, have been humble Suitors unto us, that We would vouchsafe unto them our Licence, to make Habitation, Plantation, and to deduce a colony of sundry of our People into that part of America commonly called VIRGINIA, and other parts and Territories in America, either appertaining unto us, or which are not now actually possessed by any Christian Prince or People, situate, lying, and being all along the Sea Coasts, between four and thirty Degrees of Northerly Latitude from the Equinoctial Line, and five and forty Degrees of the same Latitude, and in the main Land between the same four and thirty and five and forty Degrees, and the Islands "hereunto adjacent, or within one hundred Miles of the Coast thereof;

And to that End, and for the more speedy Accomplishment of their said intended Plantation and Habitation there, are desirous to divide themselves into two several Colonies and Companies; the one consisting of certain Knights, Gentlemen, Merchants, and other Adventurers, of our City of London and elsewhere, which are, and from time to time shall be, joined unto them, which do desire to begin their Plantation and Habitation in some fit and convenient Place, between four and thirty and one and forty Degrees of the said Latitude, alongst the Coasts of Virginia, and the Coasts of America aforesaid: And the other consisting of sundry Knights, Gentlemen, Merchants, and other Adventurers, of our Cities of Bristol and Exeter, and of our Town of Plimouth, and of other Places, which do join themselves unto that Colony, which do desire to begin their Plantation and Habitation in some fit and convenient Place, between eight and thirty Degrees and five and forty Degrees of the said Latitude, all alongst the said Coasts of Virginia and America, as that Coast lyeth:

We, greatly commending, and graciously accepting of, their Desires for the Furtherance of so noble a Work, which may, by the Providence of Almighty God, hereafter tend to the Glory of his Divine Majesty, in propagating of Christian Religion to such People, as yet live in Darkness and miserable Ignorance of the true Knowledge and Worship of God, and may in time bring the Infidels and Savages, living in those parts, to human Civility, and to a settled and quiet Government: DO, by these our Letters Patents, graciously accept of, and agree to, their humble and well-intended Desires; ...........

Provided always, and our Will and Pleasure is, and we do hereby declare to all Christian Kings, Princes, and States, that if any Person or Persons which shall hereafter be of any of the said several Colonies and Plantations, or any other, by his, their, or any of their Licence and Appointment, shall, at any Time or Times hereafter, rob or spoil, by Sea or Land, or do any Act of unjust and unlawful Hostility to any the Subjects of Us, our Heirs, or Successors, or any the Subjects of any King, Prince, Ruler, Governor, or State, being then in League or Amitie with Us, our Heirs, or Successors, and that upon such Injury, or upon just Complaint of such Prince, Ruler, Governor, or State, or their Subjects, We, our Heirs, or Successors, shall make open Proclamation, within any of the Ports of our Realm of England, commodious for that purpose, That the said Person or Persons, having committed any such robbery, or Spoil, shall, within the term to be limited by such Proclamations, make full Restitution or Satisfaction of all such Injuries done, so as the said Princes, or others so complaining, may hold themselves fully satisfied and contented; And, that if the said Person or Persons, having committed such Robery or Spoil, shall not make, or cause to be made Satisfaction accordingly, within such Time so to be limited, That then it shall be lawful to Us, our Heirs, and Successors, to put the said Person or Persons, having committed such Robbery or Spoil, and their Procurers, Abettors, and Comforters, out of our Allegiance and Protection; And that it shall be lawful and free, for all Princes, and others to pursue with hostility the said offenders, and every of them, and their and every of their Procurers, Aiders, abettors, and comforters, in that behalf.......

www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/states/va01.htm

Cape Henry Memorial Cross

This cross commemorates the site where a wooden cross was erected by the early English settlers upon their safe arrival to Virginia in April of 1607. According to George Percy, one of the early settlers, "The nine and twentieth day we set up a cross at Chesupioc Bay, and named the place Cape Henry." Here, on the windswept sands, led by Reverend Robert Hunt, the colonists must have knelt in prayer giving thanks for this new land and their safe arrival.......

http://www.nps.gov/colo/capeheny/capeheny.html

There used to be a much more eloquent description of the event, but because of 'religious freedom' it is now deemed illegal to have a cross on 'public' land'. Since this is historical, I guess they haven't figured out a way to completely erase it from people's minds YET without starting a rucus. Give them time...I'm sure they will. They have even erased the cached version of the page, so that should give a person an inkling of their mindset. Such dangerous information is surely a danger to the myth of this country being founded on religious freedom.

The history of the TWO foundings at Cape Henry [by the TWO Israels of Isaiah 65, Old and New, plumb line is here: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa065.html#15 / www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn015.html#15 -16 ] used to look more like this [and it's important because it is symbolic of a parable, for those who have eyes to see]:

"Cape Henry National Memorial

After four and a half months crossing storm swept seas 144 weary Englishmen made land-fall in April 1607. They anchored their ships in the protected waters of the bay and landed a small party upon the shore. They built a wooden cross and planted it in the sand naming the place Cape Henry. [Exodus 19:4/John 14:3/Ezekiel 34:11-13/Matthew 15:24/Ezekiel 17:1-6]

This is the first landing site of those adventurous Englishmen who, some three weeks later, established the first permanent English Colony in North America at Jamestown.

From this same site some 174 years later, citizens of a soon to be free and independant United States of America [Ezekiel 17:7-10/John 15:1/Matthew 15:13] watched as a British fleet commanded by Admiral Graves engaged the Frech fleet of Admiral Comte de Grasse in a sea battle know as the Battle of the Capes. [i refer to it as the BATTLE OF THE EAGLES] This French naval victory sealed the fate of General Cornwallis at Yorktown......

[THEY LIE. See "THE UNITED STATES IS STILL A BRITISH COLONY EXTORTING TAXES FOR THE CROWN"/Genesis 15:13-14. Cornwallis revealed to Washington that "a holy war will now begin on America, http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Psa/Psa002.html and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown." Lord Lothian, the British Ambassador to Washington, once called **** George Washington the founder of the modern British Empire.(12) This is the very same Lord Lothian honored by the 1939 Pilgrims banquet!....." Cornwallis went on to explain what would seem to be a self contradiction: "Your churches will be used to teach the Jew's religion and in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire. All religions will be permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses, and they will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the Grand Architect of [JUDEO-]Freemasonry." http://sweetliberty.org ]

....leading to his surrender with one third of the British contingent in America and the eventual end of the American Revolutionary War.

Today this quarter acre of beach front is commemorated with waysides, a granite memorial cross, a statue of Admiral Comte de Grasse and a walkway ramp up the dunes to a magnificant view of where the Atlantic Ocean meets the Chesapeake Bay.

Today Cape Henry Memorial is located on Fort Story Military Reservation in Virginia Beach, Virginia. [ http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Zec/Zec002.html#7 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mic/Mic004.html#10 ]. Be prepared to be stopped at the guarded entrance station. "

http://www.nationalparks.org/dis....cfm?fa=viewPark&pid=CAME

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze017.html#1-10 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn015.html#1 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat015.html#13

Religious freedom nowadays means that this country was founded on the Talmudic Noahide Laws according to your Congress and Presidents, and Christians must be beheaded. How 'democratic'. How great is your 'religious freedom'.

The faulty line of reasoning asserts that if the U.S. was founded as a Christian nation then Christians are justified in using State force to finance, proliferate, and impose Christian dogma.

You are obviously very ignorant of what true Christianity teaches. You are influenced by 'churches' that were infiltrated by the leaven of the Pharisees. Try going to We Hold These Truths for an education. http://whtt.org/ . Hurry, though, because they teach peace, and have been shut down by the Jews at least once that I am aware of.

Freedom requires only a repudiation of collectivism. It doesn't require faith in imaginary characters.

Well get a clue. The collectivists have taken over:

http://www.cephas-library.com/nw...ts_will_replace_ours.html

I didn't realize there were so many unbelievers here, or should I say antiChrists. [ http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/1Jo/4/3.html ]. I guess that's why there may have to be a very literal translation taken of this chapter....

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze038.html#16

.....rather than spiritual [so true Israel will not have to dwell with the children of wickedness any longer: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/2Sa/7/10.html / http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jer/Jer023.html#8 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Gal/Gal003.html#29 (where true freedom lives - Gal. 28)].

I'm sure you will find all this myth as well [if you even bother to read it]. You wouldn't be the first, but you could be among the last.

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http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze020.html#49 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat013.html#13

2Cr 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2Cr/2Cr004.html#3 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/2Cr/4/3.html .

Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that [were] on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jos/24/15.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-12-07   10:34:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: kiki, Cynicom, AARP members (#43) (Edited)

I know one of his sons is named Tagg

PLEASE TELL ME YOU'RE KIDDING!!!!!!

You probably aren't old enough, but check out this Youtube for Buster Brown shoes:

"This is my dog Tagg, he lives in a shoe, I'm Buster Brown I live there too. ..."

Here

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-07   11:30:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Jethro Tull (#48)

hahahahahaha

christine  posted on  2007-12-07   11:37:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Jethro Tull (#48)

I remember Buster Brown shoes.

and check this out (from wikipedia) - he was a visionary:

Buster Brown is a young city-dwelling boy with wealthy parents. He is extraordinarily beautiful and charming (contrast him to The Yellow Kid, or Frederick Opper's creations), but his actions belie his looks. He might dress in a girl's outfit and have her wear his clothes, or break a window with his slingshot, or play a prank on a neighbor. The trick or transgression is discovered and he is punished, usually by being spanked by his mother, but it is unclear if he ever repents.

Many strips end with Buster delivering a self-justifying moral which has little or nothing to do with his crime. For example, a strip from May 31st, 1903, shows him giving Tige a soda from a drugstore soda fountain. The drink splashes a woman's splendid dress, and the Buster's mother spanks him with a hairbrush.

In the last panel the boy has written a message beginning, "Resolved! That druggests are legalized robbers; they sell you soda and candy to make you ill, then they sell you medicine to make you worse."

kiki  posted on  2007-12-07   12:12:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: kiki (#50)

Well shoot, it's Tige. Old Mitt isn't as nutty as I thought - close tho :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-07   12:27:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Flintlock (#26)

Jesus got drafted?


From Two Party System... ...to Two Family System.

PnbC  posted on  2007-12-07   12:57:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Jethro Tull (#51)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2007-12-07   13:08:34 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Cynicom (#35)

In WW2, in the American Army, guess what group had the highest percentage of men serving????????

Ah, German, followed by Italian/Irish/Scot ???

Now a question for you.

In WW2, the American Coast Guard was called the Jewish Navy. For 10 points, and a spot in the bonus round, why was this????

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-07   14:15:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: TwentyTwelve (#53)

Love it :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-07   14:15:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Jethro Tull (#54)

For 10 points, and a spot in the bonus round, why was this????

They loaned money at hi interest to the regular Navy swabs???

Cynicom  posted on  2007-12-07   14:20:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Cynicom (#56)

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner. With his correct answer, Cynicom will now enter the bonus round *and* receive one (1) White Owl cigar (see above)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-07   15:11:39 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: PnbC (#52)

Jesus got drafted?

Of course not, he volunteered; just ask Mike Huckabee or the rest of the rapture monkeys.

Flintlock  posted on  2007-12-08   9:06:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Alan Chapman (#0)

Thursday, December 06, 2007

Eight Minute Cartoon Banned by Mormon Church (Smithian Cult)

On the day when Mormon Stake President (about like a Bishop in the Catholic Church) Mitt Romney waxed eloquent with his speech on religious tolerance, we offer you an eight minute cartoon that will show you what exactly they are insisting you should be tolerating....

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-09   11:57:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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