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Title: Spitting on the Troops ... 2007 Style
Source: The Fountain of Truth
URL Source: http://www.geocities.com/fountoftruth/spitting.html
Published: Dec 10, 2007
Author: Doug Newman
Post Date: 2007-12-10 21:56:34 by snoopdougg
Keywords: None
Views: 12690
Comments: 115

Mike Gaddy is a veteran of many years in the Army. He saw action in Vietnam, Grenada and Beirut. He currently lives in the Four Corners area of the Southwest and has

written numerous essays for LewRockwell.com that make for very worthwhile reading. Like a lot of veterans, life has taught him that huge numbers of soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines have made huge sacrifices over the years in the service of what turned out to be lies.

In a very recent column, he wrote the following:

“We came home [from Vietnam] to a misguided, ignorant nation who blamed its veterans for the mess our criminal politicians had gotten us into. An American population yelled obscenities at veterans who had been victims of unspeakable horrors when they met them at the airports and bus stations on their return home, but gave a pass to the politicians who sent them there.”

If any opponents of the War on Terror (WOT) are greeting returning troops in such a detestable fashion, I hereby issue the following demand, for whatever it might be worth: CEASE AND DESIST IMMEDIATELY! I am a retired Naval Reservist and I steadfastly maintain that the majority of those in uniform genuinely believe that they are doing a good work on our behalf.

The military, like any other segment of the government, grows and thrives based on the willingness of people to believe its propaganda. During my 17 years of involvement with the Navy – they let me retire early because of a relapse of a back injury – I seriously believed I was contributing to the defense of America and its freedom. Almost all of my shipmates believed likewise.

Like more and more veterans, living life and observing events have opened my eyes to the fact that I was being lied to. And, like more and more veterans, I am speaking up in the hope that Americans stop dying for lies. I love the Navy, but I hate what it is being used for nowadays.

As much as I oppose this WOT, I will give those who are doing the actual fighting this: they are making a sacrifice. They are sacrificing for the benefit of those who send them off to war. Some sacrifice more than others. Indeed, several thousand have made the ultimate sacrifice.

There are those who wage war and those who fight war. Most of the key players waging this current WOT – politicians, network talking heads, megachurch preachers and executives in the military-industrial complex – have never lifted a finger to do a day in the military. Very few have any kids in the active military.

More often than not, the fighting is done by kids from places such as South Central LA, the mining towns of West Virginia and the farms of Nebraska. Someone called the War Between the States “a rich man’s war and a poor man’s fight.” The WOT is no different.

And while they may not, in 2007, return home to spitting and obscenities, they are being spat upon in another, more offensive, way.

The people who so relentlessly beat the drums for war abroad -- and who are oh so outraged when anyone suggests ending the WOT -- are often the same people who tell us that we must sacrifice our liberty at home. They even admit that it is a paradox: in order to preserve our freedom, we must give up our freedom. While thousands fight and die for our freedom, we must give up your most basic constitutional guarantees of liberty here at home.

Terrorists do not threaten our liberty. After the 9/11 attacks, there was no follow-up. There were no invading armies, no naval battle groups in New York Harbor and the Potomac River and no aerial bombing raids. (1) Terrorists do not even control the government of Afghanistan, one of the poorest countries on earth. It has been centuries since a Muslim country conquered a non-Muslim country. This idea that radical Islamofascists pose any threat whatsoever to take over America is, to steal a phrase from GW Bush, an outrageous conspiracy theory.

Al Gore and the Left want us to freak out and go on Amish mode because of the junk science of global warming. GW Bush and the Right want us to freak out and submit to a police state because of the grossly exaggerated threat of terrorism. They are just two sides of the same totalitarian coin.

Millions of Americans are willing to believe these lies. I have had too many conversations with too many people over the last six years to think otherwise. It is bad enough that the government and its lapdog media want us to relinquish what is left of our freedoms. It is worse when millions of average Americans are more than happy to comply.

Here are just a few comments that stick out in my mind.

  • A girl in a Bible study: “They can search and spy on me!”
  • An old friend: “They are going to hit us again. You just can’t be too careful.”
  • A friend over beer and wings at a local sports bar: “Actually I'd be willing to give up a fair amount of my liberty for a time.”
  • A woman at Denver International Airport: “I know this security stuff is inconvenient, but I am SO GLAD they are doing it.”

I can’t believe that my experiences are that unique.

And then there are a those who will give up their liberty for a time and who expect to get it back in the future. I know of a group of people who gave up their liberty and got it back twelve years later: they were the German people of 1933-1945.

Millions of Americans are either silent about, in total denial of, or zealously promoting the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, the John Warner National Defense Act and the numerous  executive orders and pending pieces of legislation designed to set up a full blown police state.

Some of the biggest support for this comes from Christians. Indeed, thousands of pastors have joined Clergy Response Teams whose purpose is to quell dissent should martial law be imposed. If they had any integrity, they would be preaching hellfire and brimstone against a government that would even dream of imposing martial law. But no-o-o-o-o-o-o. This might hurt attendance and jeopardize their 501c3 status.

These people who are so willing to give up what is left of our freedom – even for a short time -- are, in my opinion, worse than those protestors who spat on the troops returning from Vietnam and yelled at them calling them baby killers.

I can’t imagine thinking I was doing the right thing for my countrymen, making a huge sacrifice by fighting for their liberty in a foreign land, and coming home to find that they are more than willing to give up the very liberty that I had just risked my life for.

Oh sure, they wave those flags and have “Support the troops” bumper stickers on their cars and watch Fox News and listen to Drug Limburger and pray for the troops in church and say all the right things at bible study. But they have never even considered doing a day in the military and they don’t care one iota about the liberty for which so many have given so much. It makes my stomach do 360s.

The more I study, the more I believe that most of this nation’s wars have been contrived events. This does not minimize the sacrifice by those who fought in those wars. Most of them thought – idealistically and patriotically – they were doing the right thing. It is enough that they made such great sacrifices on someone else’s behalf. Let us not spit in their faces and desecrate their graves by relinquishing what liberty we have left.


(1) For the record, I do NOT buy the official story on 9/11. And it is not just Arkansas militia types, tin foil hat wearers and Haight-Ashbury hippies who agree with me. Type "truth about 911" into a search engine and you will see that it is also pilots, veterans, architects and engineers and people from all walks of life.


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#1. To: snoopdougg (#0)

Michael Gaddy is great...one of my favorites.

christine  posted on  2007-12-10   23:29:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: snoopdougg (#0) (Edited)

The more I study, the more I believe that most of this nation’s wars have been contrived events.

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Peppa  posted on  2007-12-10   23:46:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: snoopdougg (#0)

This does not minimize the sacrifice by those who fought in those wars. Most of them thought – idealistically and patriotically – they were doing the right thing. It is enough that they made such great sacrifices on someone else’s behalf. Let us not spit in their faces and desecrate their graves by relinquishing what liberty we have left.

That is and has been the warning our founders knew.

A Republic if we can keep it.

The work we failed to do, having lost all it's lessons, is harder, but doable.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-10   23:51:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: snoopdougg (#0)

Indeed, thousands of pastors have joined Clergy Response Teams whose purpose is to quell dissent should martial law be imposed. If they had any integrity, they would be preaching hellfire and brimstone against a government that would even dream of imposing martial law. But no-o-o-o-o-o-o. This might hurt attendance and jeopardize their 501c3 status.

Compare and contrast with Colonial-era pastors who were whipped, sometimes to death, for refusing to submit to the crown.

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite." James Madison

X-15  posted on  2007-12-11   1:13:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: snoopdougg, aristeides, vitamin z (#0)

Al Gore and the Left want us to freak out and go on Amish mode because of the junk science of global warming. GW Bush and the Right want us to freak out and submit to a police state because of the grossly exaggerated threat of terrorism. They are just two sides of the same totalitarian coin.

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IndieTX  posted on  2007-12-11   12:19:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: IndieTX (#5) (Edited)

I'd like to start by saying that Congressman Bob Barr and I have disagreed many times over the years. But we have joined together today with thousands of our fellow citizens, Democrats and Republicans alike, to express our shared concern that America's Constitution is in grave danger.

In spite of our differences over ideology and politics, we are in strong agreement that the American values we hold most dear have been placed at serious risk by the unprecedented claims of the administration to a truly breathtaking expansion of executive power.

Al Gore a totalitarian? Above are a couple of the opening paragraphs of his Speech on Constitutional Issues of Jan. 16, 2006. You will note he was supposed to speak together with Rep. Bob Barr on that occasion.

If he is such a totalitarian, perhaps you could cite a passage or two from the speech that supports such a characterization of him.

The German Communists, on Stalin's orders, spoke and acted in the early 1930's as though the German Social Democrats were just as great a threat to liberties as the Nazis. Some people have learned from that kind of mistake. And some have not.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-11   12:25:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: snoopdougg (#0)

Join the Ron Paul Revolution

Lod  posted on  2007-12-11   12:41:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: aristeides (#6) (Edited)

The president and I agree on one thing: The threat from terrorism is all too real.

There is simply no question that we continue to face new challenges in the wake of the attacks on September 11th and we must be ever vigilant in protecting our citizens from harm.

Where we disagree is on the proposition that we have to break the law or sacrifice our system of government in order to protect Americans from terrorism when, in fact, doing so would make us weaker and more vulnerable.

IMO, AlGore is disingenuous. He is not against the WOT or the losses of Liberty. He is only against the government arrogating rights to itself which are not legal, an important distinction. He talks a good talk, though. But trying to make himself look like a Ron Paul is laughable. He wants your guns, once it becomes legal for the government to take them. He recognizes a need for the WOT (and all the TSA goons that come with it). He recognizes a need to give up Liberty for Security. Yet he cloaks his words in eloquent Constituionalesque double-speak.

His words are chosen carefully..too carefully. Yes, he would be every bit the fascist, yet he'll cloak his actions and words in the Klintonesque smooth eloquence that Chimp can only dream he possessed.

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IndieTX  posted on  2007-12-11   12:44:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: IndieTX (#8) (Edited)

Well, Bob Barr doesn't act like he agrees with you, does he?

And what, by the way, do you make of the respectful language Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich have for each other?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-11   13:16:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: aristeides (#9)

Bob Barr doesn't act like he agrees with you, does he?

And what, by the way, do you make of the respectful language Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich have for each other?

Is Bob Barr god? I could care less if he disagrees with me.

As for your second statement, I'm already aware of the incongrueties in the facade.

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IndieTX  posted on  2007-12-11   13:27:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: IndieTX (#10)

Is Bob Barr god? I could care less if he disagrees with me.

Do you think you're God? Sane people tend to reconsider when they're faced with disagreement by people worthy of respect. You say you could care less.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-11   13:33:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: all (#9)

Frankly if RP has kind words for the gun grabbing freak, Dennis Kucinich, I suspect he has been in DC too long.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-11   13:36:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

LOLOL

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-11   13:37:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: aristeides (#6)

I can't stand and loathe the Communist Democrat Party USA, all they stand for and everyone in it.

The NeoCons/GOP descended from that den of iniquity...

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-11   13:39:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: FOH (#13)

Catch this nonsense; the freak Kucinich wants to create a Dept of Peace.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-11   13:40:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Jethro Tull (#15)

Best for Ron not to alienate ANYONE that will be voting though...and I hear ya.

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-11   13:41:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: aristeides (#11)

Do you think you're God? Sane people tend to reconsider when they're faced with disagreement by people worthy of respect. You say you could care less.

Now you are just being pathetically stupid. You don't even recognize the validity of thinking for oneself and instead attribute it to a god syndrome. Your premise that insane people are insane not to agree with those "worthy of respect" is actually quite scary. You're indeed the epitomy of the word kook. Welcome to the place reserved only for the truly irrelevant. Bozoland.

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IndieTX  posted on  2007-12-11   13:43:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: foh (#17)

See above.

My second bozo along with mister clean. That's the true insult.

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IndieTX  posted on  2007-12-11   13:44:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: IndieTX (#17) (Edited)

I didn't say you have to agree with people who disagree with you. I did mean to suggest that, if you don't care when serious people disagree with you, and do a bit of rethinking to see if you might possibly be wrong, there's something seriously wrong with you.

Oh, and I don't mind at all that you put me on Bozo. It means I won't have your comments to me to respond to. Far from considering it an insult, I regard it as a compliment.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-11   13:45:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: IndieTX (#18)

Yeah, on F4um you have to be a real burp bag to end up getting bozo'd imo...

What North American Union? Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-11   13:52:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: FOH (#20)

Yeah, on F4um you have to be a real burp bag to end up getting bozo'd imo...

You say after having been here how long?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-11   13:55:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Jethro Tull, FOH, IndieTx (#15)

While some of my opponents in the Democratic primary believe that gun laws should reside at the state level, I respectfully disagree. In this mobile society, national control of guns just is necessary, just as it is with pollution. It is the right of Americans to keep and bear arms; however it is not the right of American felons to arm themselves.

In a time when homeland security is of utmost concern, it is perplexing why anyone would not wish to keep guns out of the hands of those who might do us harm. This is why I would support legislation to require background checks, identical to the background checks currently required for transfers by licensed gun dealers, for firearm transfers by unlicensed gun dealers at gun shows. Sensible laws to prevent guns from winding up in the wrong hands do not infringe on any constitutional rights.

notice how Kucinich says nothing about the real reason for the 2nd A--defense against a tyrannical government..and guns will always wind up in the hands of felons and criminals. they don't obey the thousands of laws already in place. Kucinich knows this, of course.

christine  posted on  2007-12-11   14:09:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: christine (#22)

notice how Kucinich says nothing about the real reason for the 2nd A--defense against a tyrannical government..and guns will always wind up in the hands of felons and criminals. they don't obey the thousands of laws already in place. Kucinich knows this, of course

You bet he knows it. He's an "obfuscator" of the highest degree.

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IndieTX  posted on  2007-12-11   14:22:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: aristeides (#21)

I've watched you make an ass of yourself everywhere you've posted.

F4um is no exception...

What North American Union? Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-11   15:35:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: christine (#22)

Communists Suck...

What North American Union? Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-11   15:36:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: FOH (#24) (Edited)

I've watched you make an ass of yourself everywhere you've posted.

F4um is no exception...

I take it you think Goldi was right to ban me from LP?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-11   15:47:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

Frankly if RP has kind words for the gun grabbing freak, Dennis Kucinich, I suspect he has been in DC too long.

It doesn't hurt anyone to be civil. Neither does it mean you would trust someone with your wallet.

It seems to be genteel and statemanlike, which is what we used to expect from those in any position of power.

Never is an insult so well done, when it is well crafted and makes people think. Same with a joke. It seems to be much of a lost art, since we are allowed to publically fling out an FU with a worry that society would judge you too vulgar, rude, uneducated, and juvenile.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-11   15:56:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: aristeides (#26)

I was neutral on your banning...could care less.

What North American Union? Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-11   15:58:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: FOH (#28) (Edited)

I was neutral on your banning...could care less.

Figures.

I suppose you think I made an ass of myself reporting the Israelis' use of strange new weapons in their war on Lebanon.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-11   16:08:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: aristeides (#29)

It's purely personal.

You're an eyesore on EVERY forum you inhabit...

What North American Union? Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-11   16:10:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: FOH (#30)

You're an eyesore on EVERY forum you inhabit...

you say with no explanation whatsoever.

When have I been uncivil to you?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-11   16:19:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: snoopdougg (#0) (Edited)

A girl in a Bible study: “They can search and spy on me!” An old friend: “They are going to hit us again. You just can’t be too careful.” A friend over beer and wings at a local sports bar: “Actually I'd be willing to give up a fair amount of my liberty for a time.” A woman at Denver International Airport: “I know this security stuff is inconvenient, but I am SO GLAD they are doing it.”

People with the mindset that they need protection from some mostly make- believe threat deserve to be ruled by brutal and corrupt regimes. It's just a shame that the rest of us have to live with them too.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2007-12-11   16:25:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Peppa (#27)

It seems to be genteel and statemanlike, which is what we used to expect from those in any position of power.

With all due respect Peppa, If RP is meaning to wrestle the Republic back from the globalists he best come to the fight wearing brass knuckles and engineer boots. This is a job for an exorcist more than a genteel statesman :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-11   17:01:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Jethro Tull (#33)

You don't build a coalition by being rude and attacking people, especially without need.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-11   17:06:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: aristeides (#34)

Did you read about Kucinich and his dream of a Dept. of Peace? And how about all his gun grabbing initiatives?? A coalition w/ this freak??? If RP says anything to this waste of oxygen but eff off, I’d seriously question his judgment.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-11   17:24:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Jethro Tull (#35)

As Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich have each said about the other, they know each other very well, having worked together in the House for several years now.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-11   17:28:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: aristeides (#36)

I'm sure he knows him to be an enemy to personal liberty, we all do after some basic research.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-11   17:33:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: FOH, IndieTX (#30)

You're an eyesore on EVERY forum you inhabit...

I must disagree. aristeides is one of the most informed posters on this 4um. He was so persuasive on LP that Goldi banned him w/o really any reason; leaving the disgusting paid Bush regime shills to continue with fewer obstructions.

We do not all agree on every issue certainly, but there is no need to lower our standards to those of LP. It's not productive.

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today!

robin  posted on  2007-12-11   17:44:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: all (#36)

Hypocrite Kucinich Drafts Legislation To Ban Guns

Entertains notion that bloodthirsty Neo-Fascists carried out 9/11, then says we should hand over our only protection against them

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Friday, April 20, 2007

Kumbuya my Lord, Kumbuya Kumbuya my Lord, Kumbuyaaaaa, Kumbuya my Lord, Kumbuya Ohhhhh Lord, Kumbuya

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-11   18:05:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Jethro Tull (#33)

If RP is meaning to wrestle the Republic back from the globalists he best come to the fight wearing brass knuckles and engineer boots. This is a job for an exorcist more than a genteel statesman :)

Right now, he's just trying to win the nomination. He's not running against a Democrat, yet. Further, he is well armed with the Constitution. Let the sweat and swearing pour off the one without a leg to stand on.

As for fighting the globalists, look how far he's come in this campaign. I think he has a battle strategy that is frustrating the snot out of them.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-11   18:11:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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