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Title: Spitting on the Troops ... 2007 Style
Source: The Fountain of Truth
URL Source: http://www.geocities.com/fountoftruth/spitting.html
Published: Dec 10, 2007
Author: Doug Newman
Post Date: 2007-12-10 21:56:34 by snoopdougg
Keywords: None
Views: 12712
Comments: 115

Mike Gaddy is a veteran of many years in the Army. He saw action in Vietnam, Grenada and Beirut. He currently lives in the Four Corners area of the Southwest and has

written numerous essays for LewRockwell.com that make for very worthwhile reading. Like a lot of veterans, life has taught him that huge numbers of soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines have made huge sacrifices over the years in the service of what turned out to be lies.

In a very recent column, he wrote the following:

“We came home [from Vietnam] to a misguided, ignorant nation who blamed its veterans for the mess our criminal politicians had gotten us into. An American population yelled obscenities at veterans who had been victims of unspeakable horrors when they met them at the airports and bus stations on their return home, but gave a pass to the politicians who sent them there.”

If any opponents of the War on Terror (WOT) are greeting returning troops in such a detestable fashion, I hereby issue the following demand, for whatever it might be worth: CEASE AND DESIST IMMEDIATELY! I am a retired Naval Reservist and I steadfastly maintain that the majority of those in uniform genuinely believe that they are doing a good work on our behalf.

The military, like any other segment of the government, grows and thrives based on the willingness of people to believe its propaganda. During my 17 years of involvement with the Navy – they let me retire early because of a relapse of a back injury – I seriously believed I was contributing to the defense of America and its freedom. Almost all of my shipmates believed likewise.

Like more and more veterans, living life and observing events have opened my eyes to the fact that I was being lied to. And, like more and more veterans, I am speaking up in the hope that Americans stop dying for lies. I love the Navy, but I hate what it is being used for nowadays.

As much as I oppose this WOT, I will give those who are doing the actual fighting this: they are making a sacrifice. They are sacrificing for the benefit of those who send them off to war. Some sacrifice more than others. Indeed, several thousand have made the ultimate sacrifice.

There are those who wage war and those who fight war. Most of the key players waging this current WOT – politicians, network talking heads, megachurch preachers and executives in the military-industrial complex – have never lifted a finger to do a day in the military. Very few have any kids in the active military.

More often than not, the fighting is done by kids from places such as South Central LA, the mining towns of West Virginia and the farms of Nebraska. Someone called the War Between the States “a rich man’s war and a poor man’s fight.” The WOT is no different.

And while they may not, in 2007, return home to spitting and obscenities, they are being spat upon in another, more offensive, way.

The people who so relentlessly beat the drums for war abroad -- and who are oh so outraged when anyone suggests ending the WOT -- are often the same people who tell us that we must sacrifice our liberty at home. They even admit that it is a paradox: in order to preserve our freedom, we must give up our freedom. While thousands fight and die for our freedom, we must give up your most basic constitutional guarantees of liberty here at home.

Terrorists do not threaten our liberty. After the 9/11 attacks, there was no follow-up. There were no invading armies, no naval battle groups in New York Harbor and the Potomac River and no aerial bombing raids. (1) Terrorists do not even control the government of Afghanistan, one of the poorest countries on earth. It has been centuries since a Muslim country conquered a non-Muslim country. This idea that radical Islamofascists pose any threat whatsoever to take over America is, to steal a phrase from GW Bush, an outrageous conspiracy theory.

Al Gore and the Left want us to freak out and go on Amish mode because of the junk science of global warming. GW Bush and the Right want us to freak out and submit to a police state because of the grossly exaggerated threat of terrorism. They are just two sides of the same totalitarian coin.

Millions of Americans are willing to believe these lies. I have had too many conversations with too many people over the last six years to think otherwise. It is bad enough that the government and its lapdog media want us to relinquish what is left of our freedoms. It is worse when millions of average Americans are more than happy to comply.

Here are just a few comments that stick out in my mind.

  • A girl in a Bible study: “They can search and spy on me!”
  • An old friend: “They are going to hit us again. You just can’t be too careful.”
  • A friend over beer and wings at a local sports bar: “Actually I'd be willing to give up a fair amount of my liberty for a time.”
  • A woman at Denver International Airport: “I know this security stuff is inconvenient, but I am SO GLAD they are doing it.”

I can’t believe that my experiences are that unique.

And then there are a those who will give up their liberty for a time and who expect to get it back in the future. I know of a group of people who gave up their liberty and got it back twelve years later: they were the German people of 1933-1945.

Millions of Americans are either silent about, in total denial of, or zealously promoting the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, the John Warner National Defense Act and the numerous  executive orders and pending pieces of legislation designed to set up a full blown police state.

Some of the biggest support for this comes from Christians. Indeed, thousands of pastors have joined Clergy Response Teams whose purpose is to quell dissent should martial law be imposed. If they had any integrity, they would be preaching hellfire and brimstone against a government that would even dream of imposing martial law. But no-o-o-o-o-o-o. This might hurt attendance and jeopardize their 501c3 status.

These people who are so willing to give up what is left of our freedom – even for a short time -- are, in my opinion, worse than those protestors who spat on the troops returning from Vietnam and yelled at them calling them baby killers.

I can’t imagine thinking I was doing the right thing for my countrymen, making a huge sacrifice by fighting for their liberty in a foreign land, and coming home to find that they are more than willing to give up the very liberty that I had just risked my life for.

Oh sure, they wave those flags and have “Support the troops” bumper stickers on their cars and watch Fox News and listen to Drug Limburger and pray for the troops in church and say all the right things at bible study. But they have never even considered doing a day in the military and they don’t care one iota about the liberty for which so many have given so much. It makes my stomach do 360s.

The more I study, the more I believe that most of this nation’s wars have been contrived events. This does not minimize the sacrifice by those who fought in those wars. Most of them thought – idealistically and patriotically – they were doing the right thing. It is enough that they made such great sacrifices on someone else’s behalf. Let us not spit in their faces and desecrate their graves by relinquishing what liberty we have left.


(1) For the record, I do NOT buy the official story on 9/11. And it is not just Arkansas militia types, tin foil hat wearers and Haight-Ashbury hippies who agree with me. Type "truth about 911" into a search engine and you will see that it is also pilots, veterans, architects and engineers and people from all walks of life.


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#1. To: snoopdougg (#0)

Michael Gaddy is great...one of my favorites.

christine  posted on  2007-12-10   23:29:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: snoopdougg (#0) (Edited)

The more I study, the more I believe that most of this nation’s wars have been contrived events.

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Peppa  posted on  2007-12-10   23:46:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: snoopdougg (#0)

This does not minimize the sacrifice by those who fought in those wars. Most of them thought – idealistically and patriotically – they were doing the right thing. It is enough that they made such great sacrifices on someone else’s behalf. Let us not spit in their faces and desecrate their graves by relinquishing what liberty we have left.

That is and has been the warning our founders knew.

A Republic if we can keep it.

The work we failed to do, having lost all it's lessons, is harder, but doable.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-10   23:51:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: snoopdougg (#0)

Indeed, thousands of pastors have joined Clergy Response Teams whose purpose is to quell dissent should martial law be imposed. If they had any integrity, they would be preaching hellfire and brimstone against a government that would even dream of imposing martial law. But no-o-o-o-o-o-o. This might hurt attendance and jeopardize their 501c3 status.

Compare and contrast with Colonial-era pastors who were whipped, sometimes to death, for refusing to submit to the crown.

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite." James Madison

X-15  posted on  2007-12-11   1:13:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: snoopdougg, aristeides, vitamin z (#0)

Al Gore and the Left want us to freak out and go on Amish mode because of the junk science of global warming. GW Bush and the Right want us to freak out and submit to a police state because of the grossly exaggerated threat of terrorism. They are just two sides of the same totalitarian coin.

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IndieTX  posted on  2007-12-11   12:19:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: IndieTX (#5) (Edited)

I'd like to start by saying that Congressman Bob Barr and I have disagreed many times over the years. But we have joined together today with thousands of our fellow citizens, Democrats and Republicans alike, to express our shared concern that America's Constitution is in grave danger.

In spite of our differences over ideology and politics, we are in strong agreement that the American values we hold most dear have been placed at serious risk by the unprecedented claims of the administration to a truly breathtaking expansion of executive power.

Al Gore a totalitarian? Above are a couple of the opening paragraphs of his Speech on Constitutional Issues of Jan. 16, 2006. You will note he was supposed to speak together with Rep. Bob Barr on that occasion.

If he is such a totalitarian, perhaps you could cite a passage or two from the speech that supports such a characterization of him.

The German Communists, on Stalin's orders, spoke and acted in the early 1930's as though the German Social Democrats were just as great a threat to liberties as the Nazis. Some people have learned from that kind of mistake. And some have not.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-11   12:25:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: snoopdougg (#0)

Join the Ron Paul Revolution

Lod  posted on  2007-12-11   12:41:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: aristeides (#6) (Edited)

The president and I agree on one thing: The threat from terrorism is all too real.

There is simply no question that we continue to face new challenges in the wake of the attacks on September 11th and we must be ever vigilant in protecting our citizens from harm.

Where we disagree is on the proposition that we have to break the law or sacrifice our system of government in order to protect Americans from terrorism when, in fact, doing so would make us weaker and more vulnerable.

IMO, AlGore is disingenuous. He is not against the WOT or the losses of Liberty. He is only against the government arrogating rights to itself which are not legal, an important distinction. He talks a good talk, though. But trying to make himself look like a Ron Paul is laughable. He wants your guns, once it becomes legal for the government to take them. He recognizes a need for the WOT (and all the TSA goons that come with it). He recognizes a need to give up Liberty for Security. Yet he cloaks his words in eloquent Constituionalesque double-speak.

His words are chosen carefully..too carefully. Yes, he would be every bit the fascist, yet he'll cloak his actions and words in the Klintonesque smooth eloquence that Chimp can only dream he possessed.

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IndieTX  posted on  2007-12-11   12:44:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: IndieTX (#8) (Edited)

Well, Bob Barr doesn't act like he agrees with you, does he?

And what, by the way, do you make of the respectful language Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich have for each other?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-11   13:16:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: aristeides (#9)

Bob Barr doesn't act like he agrees with you, does he?

And what, by the way, do you make of the respectful language Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich have for each other?

Is Bob Barr god? I could care less if he disagrees with me.

As for your second statement, I'm already aware of the incongrueties in the facade.

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IndieTX  posted on  2007-12-11   13:27:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: IndieTX (#10)

Is Bob Barr god? I could care less if he disagrees with me.

Do you think you're God? Sane people tend to reconsider when they're faced with disagreement by people worthy of respect. You say you could care less.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-11   13:33:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: all (#9)

Frankly if RP has kind words for the gun grabbing freak, Dennis Kucinich, I suspect he has been in DC too long.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-11   13:36:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

LOLOL

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-11   13:37:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: aristeides (#6)

I can't stand and loathe the Communist Democrat Party USA, all they stand for and everyone in it.

The NeoCons/GOP descended from that den of iniquity...

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-11   13:39:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: FOH (#13)

Catch this nonsense; the freak Kucinich wants to create a Dept of Peace.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-11   13:40:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Jethro Tull (#15)

Best for Ron not to alienate ANYONE that will be voting though...and I hear ya.

What North American Union?

Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-11   13:41:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: aristeides (#11)

Do you think you're God? Sane people tend to reconsider when they're faced with disagreement by people worthy of respect. You say you could care less.

Now you are just being pathetically stupid. You don't even recognize the validity of thinking for oneself and instead attribute it to a god syndrome. Your premise that insane people are insane not to agree with those "worthy of respect" is actually quite scary. You're indeed the epitomy of the word kook. Welcome to the place reserved only for the truly irrelevant. Bozoland.

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IndieTX  posted on  2007-12-11   13:43:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: foh (#17)

See above.

My second bozo along with mister clean. That's the true insult.

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IndieTX  posted on  2007-12-11   13:44:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: IndieTX (#17) (Edited)

I didn't say you have to agree with people who disagree with you. I did mean to suggest that, if you don't care when serious people disagree with you, and do a bit of rethinking to see if you might possibly be wrong, there's something seriously wrong with you.

Oh, and I don't mind at all that you put me on Bozo. It means I won't have your comments to me to respond to. Far from considering it an insult, I regard it as a compliment.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-11   13:45:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: IndieTX (#18)

Yeah, on F4um you have to be a real burp bag to end up getting bozo'd imo...

What North American Union? Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-11   13:52:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: FOH (#20)

Yeah, on F4um you have to be a real burp bag to end up getting bozo'd imo...

You say after having been here how long?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-11   13:55:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Jethro Tull, FOH, IndieTx (#15)

While some of my opponents in the Democratic primary believe that gun laws should reside at the state level, I respectfully disagree. In this mobile society, national control of guns just is necessary, just as it is with pollution. It is the right of Americans to keep and bear arms; however it is not the right of American felons to arm themselves.

In a time when homeland security is of utmost concern, it is perplexing why anyone would not wish to keep guns out of the hands of those who might do us harm. This is why I would support legislation to require background checks, identical to the background checks currently required for transfers by licensed gun dealers, for firearm transfers by unlicensed gun dealers at gun shows. Sensible laws to prevent guns from winding up in the wrong hands do not infringe on any constitutional rights.

notice how Kucinich says nothing about the real reason for the 2nd A--defense against a tyrannical government..and guns will always wind up in the hands of felons and criminals. they don't obey the thousands of laws already in place. Kucinich knows this, of course.

christine  posted on  2007-12-11   14:09:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: christine (#22)

notice how Kucinich says nothing about the real reason for the 2nd A--defense against a tyrannical government..and guns will always wind up in the hands of felons and criminals. they don't obey the thousands of laws already in place. Kucinich knows this, of course

You bet he knows it. He's an "obfuscator" of the highest degree.

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IndieTX  posted on  2007-12-11   14:22:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: aristeides (#21)

I've watched you make an ass of yourself everywhere you've posted.

F4um is no exception...

What North American Union? Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-11   15:35:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: christine (#22)

Communists Suck...

What North American Union? Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-11   15:36:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: FOH (#24) (Edited)

I've watched you make an ass of yourself everywhere you've posted.

F4um is no exception...

I take it you think Goldi was right to ban me from LP?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-11   15:47:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

Frankly if RP has kind words for the gun grabbing freak, Dennis Kucinich, I suspect he has been in DC too long.

It doesn't hurt anyone to be civil. Neither does it mean you would trust someone with your wallet.

It seems to be genteel and statemanlike, which is what we used to expect from those in any position of power.

Never is an insult so well done, when it is well crafted and makes people think. Same with a joke. It seems to be much of a lost art, since we are allowed to publically fling out an FU with a worry that society would judge you too vulgar, rude, uneducated, and juvenile.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-11   15:56:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: aristeides (#26)

I was neutral on your banning...could care less.

What North American Union? Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-11   15:58:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: FOH (#28) (Edited)

I was neutral on your banning...could care less.

Figures.

I suppose you think I made an ass of myself reporting the Israelis' use of strange new weapons in their war on Lebanon.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-11   16:08:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: aristeides (#29)

It's purely personal.

You're an eyesore on EVERY forum you inhabit...

What North American Union? Don't wait - send Ron Paul 2008 some FRNs right NOW!

Tea Party '07

Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-11   16:10:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: FOH (#30)

You're an eyesore on EVERY forum you inhabit...

you say with no explanation whatsoever.

When have I been uncivil to you?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-11   16:19:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: snoopdougg (#0) (Edited)

A girl in a Bible study: “They can search and spy on me!” An old friend: “They are going to hit us again. You just can’t be too careful.” A friend over beer and wings at a local sports bar: “Actually I'd be willing to give up a fair amount of my liberty for a time.” A woman at Denver International Airport: “I know this security stuff is inconvenient, but I am SO GLAD they are doing it.”

People with the mindset that they need protection from some mostly make- believe threat deserve to be ruled by brutal and corrupt regimes. It's just a shame that the rest of us have to live with them too.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2007-12-11   16:25:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Peppa (#27)

It seems to be genteel and statemanlike, which is what we used to expect from those in any position of power.

With all due respect Peppa, If RP is meaning to wrestle the Republic back from the globalists he best come to the fight wearing brass knuckles and engineer boots. This is a job for an exorcist more than a genteel statesman :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-11   17:01:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Jethro Tull (#33)

You don't build a coalition by being rude and attacking people, especially without need.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-11   17:06:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: aristeides (#34)

Did you read about Kucinich and his dream of a Dept. of Peace? And how about all his gun grabbing initiatives?? A coalition w/ this freak??? If RP says anything to this waste of oxygen but eff off, I’d seriously question his judgment.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-11   17:24:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Jethro Tull (#35)

As Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich have each said about the other, they know each other very well, having worked together in the House for several years now.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-11   17:28:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: aristeides (#36)

I'm sure he knows him to be an enemy to personal liberty, we all do after some basic research.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-11   17:33:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: FOH, IndieTX (#30)

You're an eyesore on EVERY forum you inhabit...

I must disagree. aristeides is one of the most informed posters on this 4um. He was so persuasive on LP that Goldi banned him w/o really any reason; leaving the disgusting paid Bush regime shills to continue with fewer obstructions.

We do not all agree on every issue certainly, but there is no need to lower our standards to those of LP. It's not productive.

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robin  posted on  2007-12-11   17:44:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: all (#36)

Hypocrite Kucinich Drafts Legislation To Ban Guns

Entertains notion that bloodthirsty Neo-Fascists carried out 9/11, then says we should hand over our only protection against them

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Friday, April 20, 2007

Kumbuya my Lord, Kumbuya Kumbuya my Lord, Kumbuyaaaaa, Kumbuya my Lord, Kumbuya Ohhhhh Lord, Kumbuya

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-11   18:05:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Jethro Tull (#33)

If RP is meaning to wrestle the Republic back from the globalists he best come to the fight wearing brass knuckles and engineer boots. This is a job for an exorcist more than a genteel statesman :)

Right now, he's just trying to win the nomination. He's not running against a Democrat, yet. Further, he is well armed with the Constitution. Let the sweat and swearing pour off the one without a leg to stand on.

As for fighting the globalists, look how far he's come in this campaign. I think he has a battle strategy that is frustrating the snot out of them.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-11   18:11:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: robin (#38)

To each her own, but I was there and know that which I speak of...

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-11   18:56:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Jethro Tull (#35)

As I bailed out on PJB when he went to bed with Lenora Fulani, so too would I were Ron Paul got into bed with kucinich or anyone approaching him...

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-11   18:57:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: FOH (#41)

To each her own, but I was there and know that which I speak of...

But you're not going to tell us, are you?

You just insult me without any explanation.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-11   19:00:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: aristeides (#43)

Yeah, life's a b!tch ain't it?

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-11   19:03:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: FOH (#44)

And, with every refusal to elaborate, you prove all the further that you insult people without any reason.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-11   19:10:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: robin, FOH, PEPPA, jethro tull (#38)

I must disagree. aristeides is one of the most informed posters on this 4um.

We do not all agree on every issue certainly

You're right. We don't. Anyone who calls someone insane for not "agreeing with those worthy of respect" (puking..on what grounds may I ask) is dangerous. Sounds like something the Feds would say about the defendant in a thought crime trial. "This defendant is a nutcase because he believes what HE thinks! We have professional paid believers with whom he disagrees! What's up with this guy? Does he think he's Gaaaawd!!??"

Yeah he can come off with crap like that all he wants, but he'll be relegated to the bozo heap.

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IndieTX  posted on  2007-12-11   19:14:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: IndieTX (#46)

Do you think you're God? Sane people tend to reconsider when they're faced with disagreement by people worthy of respect. You say you could care less.

That's what I said. What I said was that, if somebody like Bob Barr disagrees with a sane person, he will reconsider whether he is right, not say he could care less. I didn't say you're insane if you end up still disagreeing.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-11   19:18:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: IndieTX (#46)

Anyone who calls someone insane for not "agreeing with those worthy of respect"

I can't find that anywhere on the thread.

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robin  posted on  2007-12-11   19:19:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: IndieTX (#46)

You're right. We don't. Anyone who calls someone insane for not "agreeing with those worthy of respect" (puking..on what grounds may I ask) is dangerous. Sounds like something the Feds would say about the defendant in a thought crime trial. "This defendant is a nutcase because he believes what HE thinks! We have professional paid believers with whom he disagrees! What's up with this guy? Does he think he's Gaaaawd!!??"

Yeah he can come off with crap like that all he wants, but he'll be relegated to the bozo heap.

Eating each other isn't really that helpful.

Said bozo the clueless.

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-11   19:21:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: FOH, aristeides (#30)

It's purely personal.

You're an eyesore on EVERY forum you inhabit...

Hmm well that has not been my experience.. I've followed aristeides posts on FR and LP .. what Ive seen is a thoughtful poster who is very well informed.. so where you are coming from is beyond me?

Zipporah  posted on  2007-12-11   19:25:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: FOH (#41)

Well, most of us posted on LP before Neil left it to Goldi's ineptitude. After leaving, some here kept a close check on what happened.

I know when aristeides was banned (twice) I searched the posts to discover why, each time.

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robin  posted on  2007-12-11   19:27:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: robin (#48)

I can't find that anywhere on the thread.

"Do you think you're God? Sane people tend to reconsider when they're faced with disagreement by people worthy of respect. You say you could care less."

Look again.

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IndieTX  posted on  2007-12-11   22:16:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: snoopdougg (#0)

I wouldn't go as far as 'spitting' on the troops but my support of them is over.

How anyone could continue to exact war crimes upon the Iraqi people with this illegal invasion/occupation is beyond me.

No, these are not honorable 'troops'...they are 'war criminals' enabling their bastard leaders clear to the White House.

The 'Honorable' ones went AWOL and still need the legal support of all that oppose this bastard invasion.

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2007-12-11   23:14:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: robin, zipporah, christine, Pinguinite (#51)

I might have chosen the wrong forum to call 'home' then...

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-12   1:29:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: FOH (#54)

Even at home there are disagreements.

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robin  posted on  2007-12-12   1:31:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: robin (#55)

In any event, I'm backing off for now...I've had enough Bush League shit run by Commie-fascist fuckwads.

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-12   1:32:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: FOH (#56)

There are no Bushbots here, except for a couple trolls.

And I don't know of any Commie-fascists - Chertoff doesn't post here.

There are some moderates and a few Democrats who agree with many here about the war and Ron Paul.

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robin  posted on  2007-12-12   1:34:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: robin (#57)

I've appreciated your posts and general understanding of the times and events shaping them...

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-12   1:37:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: IndieTX (#46)

I could care less what type of America-hating tools occupy a particular forum that I promote, but when 'management' endorses said fuckwads...I have to draw a line.

If I move on I want YOU to know I've greatly appreciated our exchanges.

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-12   1:40:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: FOH (#58)

Written communication is limited and imperfect; it always sounds harsher than if it were spoken. Sometimes the wrong impression is formed. I do know that there is common ground here that is important.

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robin  posted on  2007-12-12   1:42:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: robin (#60)

If even you are fooled by a fucking traitor like 'ari', then there might not be much hope left...

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-12   1:43:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: aristeides (#45)

And, with every refusal to elaborate, you prove all the further that you insult people without any reason.

You might have these folks fooled, but not me 'ari'...

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-12   1:44:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: FOH (#61)

How on earth did you ever reach this opinion of him? I really am curious. I find his analysis of events most illuminating.

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robin  posted on  2007-12-12   1:47:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: robin (#63)

Have you ever heard 'ari' say nary a 'dirty word' about the NAU?

Of course you haven't. I pay close attention to these things and have for a LONG time.

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-12   1:49:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: FOH (#64)

No I haven't. It doesn't bother me that people are not in lock-step. He may agree but have nothing to say because he's a Catholic and the Catholic church is a major supporter of illegals. Or maybe he doesn't have a strong opinion about it.

I would focus on all the other important issues where there is agreement. The degree of support will vary in any crowd. Also, the manner in which people write differs greatly. He doesn't use dirty words.

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robin  posted on  2007-12-12   1:59:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Peppa (#27)

Never is an insult so well done, when it is well crafted and makes people think. Same with a joke. It seems to be much of a lost art, since we are allowed to publically fling out an FU with a worry that society would judge you too vulgar, rude, uneducated, and juvenile.

Well stated.

I am perfectly capable of insulting some gibbering microencephalic buffoon without once resorting to common vulgarisms.

Not only that it is a lot of fun to be creative.

The other advantage is that when it is done right it is much more withering than calling someone an "effing 'tard". You have taken the high road and by expressing an insult literately, and hopefully with some small measure of wit, you put the opponent immediately on the defensive.

I still recall an occasion where I had the rare priviledge of having to go have "a friendly chat" with the senior E-9 where I was stationed. In the 5 minutes I spent standing at attention in front of his desk he never once raised his voice, never once used a 4 letter word, and when I left that office I was firmly convinced that I had just had my ass chewed by a true master of the art. I still marvel at the skill with which he punctured my ego, used understated sarcasm, and effectively pointed out my many and varied deficiencies as a junior NonCom who might one day, however doubtful it might seem at the moment, be able to muster the character to adequately fulfill my duties. The lesson stuck and to this day and I endeavor always to be punctual. I still cringe after 28 years.

"When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather - not screaming in terror like his passengers." - Unk.

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-12-12   2:00:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Original_Intent (#66)

I still marvel at the skill with which he punctured my ego, used understated sarcasm, and effectively pointed out my many and varied deficiencies as a junior

My eldest sister did this to me on a regular basis growing up. All I could do was slam the door and yell "dummy!".

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robin  posted on  2007-12-12   2:03:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: robin (#65)

lolol!

Ah sheet.

Have fun. You've been duped. So apparently has the management of this forum.

So be it...

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-12   2:05:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: robin (#67)

And your story reminds me of growing up. As the eldest of 4 after my father's untimely death I was left having to be "the man" at the age of 14. My younger siblings did not take kindly to this. I can still recall some of the explosions that created. :-)

Are you and your sister on speaking terms?

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Original_Intent  posted on  2007-12-12   2:11:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Original_Intent (#69)

mostly! ;)

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robin  posted on  2007-12-12   2:28:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: FOH (#68)

Why would you want to post on a forum where everyone agreed 100%?

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robin  posted on  2007-12-12   2:29:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: FOH (#62)

If you're going to call people traitors for things they did not say, there are going to be a lot of traitors.

No need to talk about Al Gore being a totalitarian. YOU'RE the totalitarian.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-12   6:30:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Brian S (#53)

Excellent post.

Mark

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower

Kamala  posted on  2007-12-12   7:20:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: robin (#57)

And I don't know of any Commie-fascists

Mekon the marxist is a complete troll.

Mark

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower

Kamala  posted on  2007-12-12   7:21:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Kamala, Mekons4 (#74)

Mekon the marxist is a complete troll.

Net etiquette dictates that, when you attack someone, you ping him.

I have never seen any evidence that Mekons is a Marxist.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-12   10:08:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: aristeides, robin, all (#34)

Knowing what you now know about Dennis Kucinich, do either of you suggest a coalition with a man like him is wise?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-12   10:23:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Jethro Tull (#76) (Edited)

I see no point in answering that question. What is wanted now is to build as large a coalition as possible behind Ron Paul. That means doing one's best to antagonize neither supporters nor opponents of Kucinich.

Many of us think that ending the war in Iraq and stopping wars of empire in general is the most important issue at the moment, to which everything else is secondary. To accomplish that, political alliances are necessary. It so happens that opponents of war on both ends of the political spectrum also oppose the Bush administration's unconstitutional power grabs. So that is an additional reason to ignore any differences that might exist on issues that, in comparison, are secondary.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-12   10:31:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: aristeides, FOH, IndieTX, all (#77)

I see no point in answering that question.

Actually that does answer my question.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-12   10:41:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Jethro Tull (#78) (Edited)

And you have made it clear that you are not interested in advancing Ron Paul's campaign.

I see you had no response to my arguments.

Are you capable of reasoning or arguing?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-12   10:48:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Jethro Tull (#76)

Knowing what you now know about Dennis Kucinich, do either of you suggest a coalition with a man like him is wise?

I know what Kucinich is about. He supports amnesty for illegal aliens. He supports slavery reparations. If he had his way he'd outlaw handguns and make it damn difficult to own longarms. And on top of that, he's a flaky guy who's hard to take seriously.

Having said that, I think that ending the war in Iraq and getting the neocons out of power is important enough of an issue that I support a coalition with ANYBODY. Since Kucinich opposed the war from day one and is the only one seriously pushing (deserved) impeachment for Bush and Cheney, he's on the side of a angels as far as I care.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2007-12-12   10:52:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Jethro Tull (#78)

Ron Paul Loves Kucinich.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-12   10:56:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#80)

RP, despite his wonderful positions, isn't going to win so linking arms with gun grabbers and other assorted misfits in some utopian coalition is a political wet dream. If anyone honestly believes he will be nominated I have some beachfront property in Indiana I’d like to sell them :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-12   10:59:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: aristeides (#81)

Thanks for this. Just as I suspected RP is a Washington insider and given his friendship with Dennis Kucinich, someone not to be trusted. I'm very sorry I contributed to his effort. Had I known this before today, I'd be $200 dollars richer. Oh well, politicians by their nature are trash.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-12   11:07:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Jethro Tull (#83)

Oh well, politicians by their nature are trash.

And what is one to call people who indicate they lack all interest in ending our wars of aggression?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-12   11:36:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: aristeides (#84)

My dear friend. In times like this a revolutionary is needed not a politician. And if you for even a moment think RP will be viable past South Carolina you're delusional. I can't help but recall how this forum, not long ago, was filled with information which documented voter fraud. Then, we all seemed to be in agreement that our system had been successfully snatched by the elites and their paperless voting trail. For whatever reason, presently, that lesson has been forgotten by most. I suppose the thrill of a good horse race is exciting for the gullible, even if deep down they know it's fixed. So run along and link arms with gun grabbing, illegal alien supporting scum. You deserve each other.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-12   11:47:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Jethro Tull (#85)

The effect of postings like yours is to discourage people from attempting to make any change.

I am sure that the powers that be are delighted with such postings.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-12   11:50:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: aristeides (#86)

The kind of 'change' tools like you want originates in the bowels of Hell...

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FOH  posted on  2007-12-12   11:52:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: FOH (#87) (Edited)

We already know you judge people by your musings on what you can extrapolate from what they do not say. A real fair way to judge people.

With that kind of KGB-type method of purging the ranks, what kind of change can we expect from the likes of you?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-12   11:53:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: aristeides (#88)

Go f*_ck yourself Commie-bozo...

My support for Ron Paul 2008 is as of this moment officially on hold until RP clarifies the "Kucinich" issue...


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FOH  posted on  2007-12-12   11:58:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: FOH (#89)

Uh, I think you're confused. It was the Communists who believed in purging the ranks.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-12   12:01:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Jethro Tull (#85)

You have mail!

My support for Ron Paul 2008 is as of this moment officially on hold until RP clarifies the "Kucinich" issue...


What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-12   12:15:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: FOH (#91) (Edited)

So that's how you organize your pack attacks, using this site's private mail?

How FReeperish of you and your bunch!

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-12   12:22:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: aristeides (#86)

The effect of postings like yours is to discourage people from attempting to make any change.

If dead on honesty disturbs your, and anyone elses utopian dream, I know of a short pier in MD I would be happy to introduce you to :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-12   12:24:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Jethro Tull (#93)

I know of a short pier in MD I would be happy to introduce you to

You seem not to appreciate it when I give my honest opinions.

And your most un-Christian wish as to what I should do tells us an awful lot about your true character.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-12   12:27:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: aristeides (#94)

And your most un-Christian wish as to what I should do tells us an awful lot about your true character.

I think you're going goofy on us aristeides. I want to feed people to lions, not be eaten by one.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-12   12:31:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Jethro Tull (#95)

I want to feed people to lions

There, you admitted it again!

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-12   12:31:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: aristeides (#96)

Are you speaking in code again?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-12   12:33:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Jethro Tull (#97)

Just citing your own words. They're quite damning enough.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-12   12:34:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: aristeides, Jethro Tull (#98)

Gentlemen, totally unseemly.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-12-12   12:37:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: aristeides (#98)

They're quite damning enough.

What have I posted that isn't true, or my very insightful opinion?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-12   12:37:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#80)

Having said that, I think that ending the war in Iraq and getting the neocons out of power is important enough of an issue that I support a coalition with ANYBODY. Since Kucinich opposed the war from day one and is the only one seriously pushing (deserved) impeachment for Bush and Cheney, he's on the side of a angels as far as I care.

I agree with you.

Kucinich is being subjected to the same shit slinging and denial of existance that Paul is. This is because on the one ultimate issue facing America and Americans Kucinich, like Paul, is on the contrary side from the Zionists and American Big business elite. That is the big picture upon which my focus shall remain.

There are many who Ron Paul would be more appropriately paired with but should it be Paul/Kucinich 2008 then that ticket would recieve my support.

In the event that Ron Paul fails to secure the Republican nomination, I shall be sorely disappointed if he then fails to run as a third party. It will probably be then that I give up on American politics.

Whatever happens, the Ron Paul phenomena has been and shall forever remain a positive development in American society and culture. It has opened a lot of eyes and I am proud to be a part of that.

Register to vote for Ron Paul NOW.

wbales  posted on  2007-12-12   12:45:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: wbales (#101)

A shining example of why America is screwed.

McCarthy was right...

My support for Ron Paul 2008 is as of this moment officially on hold until RP clarifies the "Kucinich" issue...


What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-12   12:47:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Jethro Tull (#100)

Careful there big boy, I think GI Jeebus is going to smite thee.

My hands are always dirty, but my conscience is always clean.

Esso  posted on  2007-12-12   12:49:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: FOH (#102)

My support for Ron Paul 2008 is as of this moment officially on hold until RP clarifies the "Kucinich" issue...

Then your support of Ron Paul was not that strong to begin with.

Register to vote for Ron Paul NOW.

wbales  posted on  2007-12-12   12:50:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: wbales (#104)

You have no idea what you're talking Commie-embracer...

My support for Ron Paul 2008 is as of this moment officially on hold until RP clarifies the "Kucinich" issue...


What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-12   12:52:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Jethro Tull, robin (#85)

My dear friend. In times like this a revolutionary is needed not a politician. And if you for even a moment think RP will be viable past South Carolina you're delusional.

Don't give up. It's not over yet.

And I don't understand why all this commotion concerning rank speculation over a possible Ron Paul running mate is occurring on this thread.

Register to vote for Ron Paul NOW.

wbales  posted on  2007-12-12   12:55:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: FOH (#105)

Commie-embracer...

Commie-embracer...

Register to vote for Ron Paul NOW.

wbales  posted on  2007-12-12   12:58:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Cynicom (#99)

Gentlemen,....

Who came in? ;)

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx

"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2007-12-12   13:01:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Esso, I'm taking book (#103)

God I can't get away from pie fights. And dammit, I wish I had even a morsel of hope regarding politics, but I don't. Five will get you ten I'm right about RPs candidacy. Any takers?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-12-12   13:05:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: wbales (#107)

Commie-embracer...

Commie-embracer...

Echo...Echo...Echo...

My support for Ron Paul 2008 is as of this moment officially on hold until RP clarifies the "Kucinich" issue...


What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2007-12-12   13:17:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: IndieTX (#108)

Well, lets see, theres you and me and...uhhhhhh.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-12-12   14:18:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Original_Intent (#66)

Well stated.

Thanks OI.

In the 5 minutes I spent standing at attention in front of his desk he never once raised his voice, never once used a 4 letter word, and when I left that office I was firmly convinced that I had just had my ass chewed by a true master of the art.

I hear you. Master indeed!

My folks could shred you to pieces with a look from another room. LOL!

Peppa  posted on  2007-12-12   14:50:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: aristeides (#75)

Who died and left you to decide what is "net etiquette". You were probably the little snot nosed tattle-tale on your block when you were younger.

You are nothing more than a complete douchbag.

I've already called him one on a prior thread. You don't see any "evidence" because your a complete socialist. Just a hair away, from the marxist badge he proudly wears.

As I've told a few here, and more so recently, in the future, do not ever post to me directly, do not reply to me directly, or reply or post to an article I've put up. If possible, put me on bozo so you won't be tempted. Thanks.

Mark

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower

Kamala  posted on  2007-12-12   16:15:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Kamala, Mekons4 (#113) (Edited)

Who died and left you to decide what is "net etiquette". You were probably the little snot nosed tattle-tale on your block when you were younger.

Oh, you think I tattle-taled when I pinged Mekons to let him know what you had said behind his back without letting him know?

I'd say I'm not the one who was acting in a sneaky way.

And who, may I ask, died and left you to decide who I should post to and who I should put on Bozo?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-12-12   16:18:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Kamala (#113)

Since I now know somewhere you called me a Marxist or some shit, let's get this straight. I'm not a Marxist, I'm not a douchbag (sic), I'm not a commie. I'm a liberal with a libertarian streak, and above all an anti-Republican, at least in the state the party has been since Reagan took it over.

Learn to spell, learn to think, learn to be a decent human being, then come back when you have rehabilitated yourself. Douchbag (sic).

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2007-12-14   23:34:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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