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Title: Review of January 5th, 2008 ABC GOP Debate
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Published: Jan 5, 2008
Author: buckeye
Post Date: 2008-01-05 21:57:08 by buckeye
Keywords: Ron Paul
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Quick synopsis

  • Ron Paul, my focus during this event, was tired, slow to articulate his points, and easily overwhelmed by aggressive partisans.
  • McCain appeared to withdraw his insistence on amnesty, and then spent excess time interrupting other candidates who were differentiating themselves from his former positions — in defense of what he had apologized for.
  • Romney was effective at articulating his technical perspectives on issues (medical care, immigration) but clearly will not deviate from the Bush doctrines of war.
  • Thompson was reserved and came across as a fat cat at times. He smirked at Ron Paul several times.
  • Giuliani was about the same as he has always been. He smirked and laughed mirthlessly at Ron Paul several times.
  • John McCain was especially demeaning to Ron Paul during discussion of war.
  • Smirking and chuckling was prevalent when Ron Paul was talking about the Federal Reserve and inflation.

Illegal Immigration

This is my main reason for posting this thread.

  • It became abundantly clear that no one on the stage would deal with illegal immigration adequately. PC rules the day. we are not being heard yet.
  • Ron Paul lost an incredible chance to demonstrate his resolve on this issue, but he came close by emphasizing welfare.
  • The other GOP members are weak-kneed and left themselves with massive openings for abandoning their commitments to deal with immigration.
  • Huckabee talked about building a fence, and sounded like he's been listening to Gilchrist; his credibility is very low in my opinion.
  • The American people have NOT communicated their anger effectively with these people.

Ron Paul's demeanor

This was a fair debate with an open format.

  • Rushed, combative, on the defensive in many cases.
  • Unable to keep up with cross-talk and interruptions.
  • Should have worn a red tie, I'm hearing.

Ron Paul's victory

  • He kept his temper when badly mistreated not by ABC, but by the other participants.
  • He kept his humor, and joked several times.
  • He did articulate the threat of inflation/monetary-abuse.
  • He did talk about civil liberties and preemptive war.
  • He did talk about free enterprise and the Constitution.
  • He is the only candidate truly planning on implementing change.

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#16. To: buckeye, ALL (#0)

(from Buckeye's article)

Ron Paul's victory

He kept his temper when badly mistreated not by ABC, but by the other participants.

He kept his humor, and joked several times.

He did articulate the threat of inflation/monetary-abuse.

He did talk about civil liberties and preemptive war.

He did talk about free enterprise and the Constitution.

He is the only candidate truly planning on implementing change.

thank you from the bottom of my heart Buckeye for writing and posting this article
you gave me all the information I wanted, you are a great help
and you did an excellent job!

I read every word you wrote, and where you summed up Ron Paul's victory, I am immensely pleased
It is a superb victory, Ron Paul did excellent!!
Great

as for where you felt he was lacking, I am not concerned
I don't think those lacks amounted to anything
altho I like the suggeston he wear a red tie

It sounds to me like anyone not acquainted with Ron Paul,
who watched this debate, had a chance to get to know him
The man and what he stands for
Which is all we want from these debates
Love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   10:25:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#17. To: robin, ALL (#13)

I thought Dr. Paul behaved like a gentleman, and did very well.
He was more careful this time in his explanation of his domestic policies;
that was a relief.

The best part, IMO, was the question he posed that received no answer:
"Then why do we prop up their dictators?"

Also, there was clearly a "Gentlemen's Agreement" to LAUGH together AT Dr. Paul.

Dr. Paul did not engage in attacking others, which was very smart.

Robin this is superb post you wrote
and from what I witnessed, true
you did great
Love, Palo

Dr Paul did excellent in the debate!

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   10:30:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#18. To: palo verde (#16)

... thank you from the bottom of my heart Buckeye for writing and posting this article you gave me all the information I wanted, you are a great help

Well thank you Palo Verde. I wish I could have done better, but I did not take notes (I regret that) and my coverage was vague.

On the idea that he did well in the eyes of critical audiences, I don't know about that, and I suspect not. But they are blinded by the party pundits and free media support the government has received. Millions and millions of Americans know their government has gone mad, and they will be interested in the fact that Ron Paul is different. That's a start.

On the other hand, I refuse to support any politician blindly, and I will continue to criticize Ron Paul and other candidates as the election process continues.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-06   10:31:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#19. To: Cynicom (#2)

Thanks buck...

... Paul has also lived more history than the rest and he is a gentleman.

very nice post, Cynicom
and true!
Love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   10:34:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#20. To: who knows what evil, ALL (#3)

Paul was the only one who didn't make a complete ass of himself.

they all got a chance to present themselves and say their piece
that is what we want from these debates
Viva democracy!

and Shame on FOX for excluding Ron Paul this evening

ABC did good to have this debate
I thank them from the bottom of my heart
Love, Palo

I am no Duncan Hunter fan, but I love democracy, and he should have been in the debate too!

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   10:40:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#21. To: palo verde (#20) (Edited)

I am no Duncan Hunter fan, but I love democracy, and he should have been in the debate too!

Full agreement here. It would have helped Ron Paul to demonstrate his resolute positions on immigration, some of [edit] which are probably as effective or better than Hunter's.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-06   10:44:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#22. To: buckeye, ALL (#6)

Ron Paul did not compromise himself as the others did

Ron Paul has it easy, all he has to do is speak his truth

Rudy is sincere, but misguided

I think Fred would prefer being an actor in Hollywood

the other 3 just didn't seem real to me
and in no way deserve to be President of the United States of America at this time
they are mindless (and corrupt)

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   10:49:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#23. To: palo verde (#19)

he is a gentleman.

Palo...

Paul is not the best looking candidate, nor the most articulate, but he has more personal accomplishments than all the others put together, plus, Paul is a gentleman.

A gentleman, first, last and always. I cannot say that about the others.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-06   10:51:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#24. To: palo verde (#22)

Rudy is sincere, but misguided

Rudy is too intelligent to be sincere in this case. He's a traitorous heel, involved with the North American Superhighway and with Norman Podhoretz on his foreign policy team.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-06   10:56:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#25. To: buckeye (#18)

Millions and millions of Americans know their government has gone mad,
and they will be interested in the fact that Ron Paul is different.
That's a start.

very perceptive post, Buckeye, I congratulate you
our government has gone mad, and my hunch is half our citizens are aware of it consciously, half feel it vaguely
which is why Ron Paul's sanity and solutions will be experienced by them as wonderful rain to thirsty earth
GO Ron GO
Love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   10:57:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#26. To: buckeye (#8)

I have a hard time understanding why any decent person would not vote for Ron Paul. If he merely articulated his views, then he had to have gained supporters, despite looking tired.

1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Red Jones  posted on  2008-01-06   10:58:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#27. To: Cynicom (#23)

Palo...

Paul is not the best looking candidate, nor the most articulate,
but he has more personal accomplishments than all the others put together,
plus, Paul is a gentleman.

A gentleman, first, last and always. I cannot say that about the others.

what an exquisite and true post you wrote, Cynicom
I thank you for it
All my love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   10:59:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#28. To: Red Jones (#26)

I have a hard time understanding why any decent person would not vote for Ron Paul.
If he merely articulated his views, then he had to have gained supporters...

Bravo Red, for perfectly sensible post
You got to the crux of the matter
I agree with you
Love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   11:02:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#29. To: Peppa, ALL (#4)

(Cynicom) On the other hand Paul has also lived more history than the rest and he is a gentleman.

(Peppa) Ron Paul knows what America needs. The others know what their owners need.

that's it in a nutshell

Love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   11:06:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#30. To: Cynicom (#5)

After last night's debate, I would stick needles in my eyes rather than vote for Thompson. He can go suck an ostrich egg.

Tag Line For Rent

Critter  posted on  2008-01-06   11:08:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#31. To: Red Jones (#26)

I have a hard time understanding why any decent person would not vote for Ron Paul.

Because he comes across as weak on illegal immigration. I'm just reporting what I know, not what I prefer.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-06   11:17:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#32. To: Cynicom (#23)

A gentleman, first, last and always.

I agree. His gentlemanliness was obvious during the wolfpack mentality of the other debaters. I don't think it's a good forum for him, as the jackals don't play by the rules. It gives MSM an opportunity to discredit Paul rather than showcase him. The hee-hawing of Guiliani was almost to much to bear.

Live free or die.

angle  posted on  2008-01-06   11:19:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#33. To: noone222, buckeye, ALL (#0)

(Palo) I found this post by noone222 at the bottom of last night's thread, I am copying it here,
because we are talking about these things here
posters will want to read his 2 cents
I have my own comment on it, I'll post it below

by noone222

I don't think RP looked very confident last night. His demeanor is low key and his being a gentleman amongst arrogance may cost him unless he's able to get in the fray.

I hate to be critical of the ONLY worthy candidate ... but if he doesn't step it up a couple of notches he's doomed.

"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp

noone222

I want to give thought to how I respond to this
because it matters
so I'm just posting this now
and will comment when I've thought about it

I am glad NoOne raised this issue, because everyone has thought it
but my hunch is it is not true
I mean Dr Paul is doing everything perfectly, he does not have to be different
but again, let me try to think it thru
Love, Palo

I would very much like to hear what everyone else thinks about this too?

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   11:35:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#34. To: noone222, buckeye, critter, Cynicom Peppa, Robin, ALL (#33)

by noone222

I don't think RP looked very confident last night.
His demeanor is low key and his being a gentleman amongst arrogance may cost him
unless he's able to get in the fray.

I hate to be critical of the ONLY worthy candidate ...
but if he doesn't step it up a couple of notches he's doomed.

Ron Paul did look perfectly confident and relaxed last night
he was not aggressive and he is not charismatic
(does not have charisma)

I looked up charisma in dictionary on google

1) a personal magic of leadership arousing special popular loyalty or enthusiasm for a public figure (as a political leader)

2) a special magnetic charm or appeal (the charisma of a popular actor)

Ron Paul is a modest person
He is a quiet person
He is a calm person

Ron Paul offers his mind and his character
His mind is filled with sane and sensible ideas of how to stop the madness which has taken hold of our government now
and steer our ship of state back to liberty, peace, and abundance

Ron Paul is perfectly honest, trustworthy, and cannot be bought off

It is a tremendous blessing of God, a man like that is running for President of the United States now
and it is our job to put him in our Oval Office this time next year
And we will

On our side, our citizens all have minds
the power elites are banking on their idea that we don't have minds
but they are wrong

and anyone who hears Ron Paul's message and gets to meet him on TV will be interested
and a majority will want him to be our President
Love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   11:54:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#35. To: who knows what evil, lodwick, ALL (#34)

I forgot to ping you to my above post
Love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   11:56:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#36. To: palo verde (#34)

and a majority will want him to be our President

I'm hopeful at idea that he might form a third party, since the GOP machinery is clearly so corrupt.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-06   11:57:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#37. To: buckeye (#36)

Ron Paul doesn't have to form a 3rd party, he just has to be President this time next year
we still do have free elections, we have to put him in Office now
Love, Palo

we'll have to deal with corruption in GOP after Ron Paul is President

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   12:03:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#38. To: palo verde (#37)

You may want to go figure out what happened in Wyoming yesterday and get back to us on that, Palo. Note that I don't understand myself.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-06   12:08:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#39. To: buckeye, palo verde, iconoclast, christine, kiki, scrapper2, Cynicom, robin, all (#15)

I believe the good Doctor may/has come to the conclusion that the most realistic step toward return to a Constitution

I have needed to think about this... for some time, before anything could/should be said. To be frank, I had trouble watching the debate. If there are people, and obviously there are, in America that were attracted to what the 'others' in this so-called debate had to say, then America is truly deserving of what is planned for her.

On the other side, for those who were not/are not familiar with Dr. Paul's message, I doubt he converted many. Robin is correct; there was a concerted effort by all others to belittle the message of Dr. Paul. That was pretty well done, although it is the only thing that was pretty well done 'by them.' And the message that Dr. Paul was putting out was intended for his base; this is a BIG mistake.

There is a common theme that runs through today's politics in America and that Dr. Paul needs to put out, or he is done.

1. We were told before the invasion of Iraq that the oil would pay for all expenses. We have now spent or committed more than 1 tillion dollars (repeat repeat repeat) and we can not afford to repair New Orleans - pay for health care - repair our infastructure - cut taxes for the middle class - repeat endlessly. Everytime something is said about paying for something, base it on i trillion dollars spent in a needless neverending war. Ask how much is enough? Ask if we need to spend 2 trillion. 3 trillion. 4 trillion.

There really is no other way to get this into the view of most Americans.

2. China now has more than 1.3 trillion dollars in reserve. Money that we Americans have spent on Chinese products because we no longer have any manufacturing in America. And, by the way, how many years did it take for China to accumualte all of that money? Yet, in Iraq, we have spent/commited more than 1 trillion dollars in just 4 years!

3. A prestiges British company/research institute (?) recently did an analysis of deaths in the civilian population in Iraq. They used internationally accepted methods in doing this, methods which have been used in many different locations around the world and which methods are accepted by the UN -- this research revealed that as many as 1 million EXTRA Iraq civilians have died in Iraq since the United States invaded the nation. 1 million needless deaths. 1 million. Repeat. Plus more than 4 thousand Americans have died there, and we have more than 20,000 (?) severly wounded, increased suicides, and etc.

No one needs to attack the others; all they need to do is put before the American public the facts that the major media denies, and, then back everything up on the web site. That is all that it takes, and I could not see that this is being done. Basically, he is playing, as far as I can see, by 'their' rules.

Keep playing by their rules, and this is simply, as I suspected from the beginning, an excercise in futility.

You are all correct in that Dr. Paul's message is the only message that is different. BUT...... therein lies the problem, because that means that it is outside of what Americans have come to consider normal. Which means that it is outside of their confort zone. Not many people are willing to change; it requires something akin to shock to force change on them, and, there was no shock in his message during the debate. And in particular in NH, that is something that would have been valued.

Dr. Paul was a gentleman. Gentlemen do not win these kinds of fights.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-01-06   12:11:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#40. To: palo verde (#34)

Don't think that I'm not 1000% supportive of Dr. Paul. I just think he possesses the attributes of a Statesman and Constitutional awareness this country needs to put into practice, but seems hesitant to forcefully project himself into the debate.

While the others (unworthy to lace his shoes) seemed able to inject themselves whenever they wished, Dr. Paul waited until he was addressed by the moderator. This was likely the more polite approach, but formulas presented by the scumbags hogging the air time have already been heard for 100 years, haven't succeeded in the least, and is simply so much blah, blah, blah.

One last thing just in case anyone has some insider ability to mention something to Dr. Paul. He mentions the young people sometimes as if they are his primary supporters almost to the exclusion of everyone else. I KNOW his supporters are all ages, races, and religions, include members of every level of the social stratum and are looking to remain free from governmental intrusion and the nanny state. Dr. Pauls enthusiastic supporters are sick of the status quo and want real change and not the tired old repeated ad nauseum promises of change we hear every election cycle.

Dr. Paul needs to show up and make himself noticed in the mainstream in order to win. I'm not saying he hasn't already made a huge difference, because he most definitely has. The internet isn't enough, he must secure the hearts and minds of Americans far and wide.

I think he's the only thing standing between a free America and a civil war. I've been watching politics for 45 years and never witnessed such a grass roots ground swell of wide ranging support. We must do all we can to win, even if that is so we know we did everything we could to salvage the country. It's very serious, and I don't think I have the capability to express just how serious it is.

"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp

noone222  posted on  2008-01-06   12:35:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#41. To: buckeye (#0)

Thanks for this post - well done, excepting the bow-tie, which, to me, is a total loser.

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Lod  posted on  2008-01-06   12:43:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#42. To: who knows what evil (#3)

Paul was the only one who didn't make a complete ass of himself.

Exactly.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-06   12:45:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#43. To: buckeye (#0)

ALL of RON PAUL’s replies @ ABC/N.H. debate on 1-05-08

You Tube

Sunday January 6, 2007

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-06   12:46:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#44. To: palo verde (#34)

Ron Paul is a modest person

He is a quiet person

He is a calm person

Ron Paul offers his mind and his character

His mind is filled with sane and sensible ideas of how to stop the madness which has taken hold of our government now

and steer our ship of state back to liberty, peace, and abundance

Ron Paul is perfectly honest, trustworthy, and cannot be bought off

Well said.

As most all here know, he's the only candidate that truly represents the hope for a change for the better.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution
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Lod  posted on  2008-01-06   12:51:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#45. To: richard9151 (#39)

If there are people, and obviously there are, in America that were attracted to what the 'others' in this so-called debate had to say, then America is truly deserving of what is planned for her.

Right on.

There is a common theme that runs through today's politics in America and that Dr. Paul needs to put out, or he is done.

That's exactly what I'm saying here. I think one way he can do that is seize the illegal immigration issue by the horns and point out that he's the only one who won't pander to Hispanics, but will execute our domestic policy on behalf of all Americans equally. (I just heard on the McGloughlin group that the Democratic party is securing much of the Hispanic vote due to their friendliness toward illegals and their plights.)

Ron Paul started out so powerfully in this debate by implying early on that he was probably tougher on winning the war on terror by being focused on specific enemies rather than using symmetric methods to fight the war. But he lost the chance to deliver that message because he was a gentleman.

Ask how much is enough? Ask if we need to spend 2 trillion. 3 trillion. 4 trillion.

The GOP puppets and fair haired boys on that stage besides Ron Paul have no problem with deflating the value of the dollar ad infinitum. Ron Paul could have seized on that and driven it home. Our national defense is more tied to the value of the dollar than any foreign threat they can summon, and did with the city-nuking theme in the next DNC segment.

...this research revealed that as many as 1 million EXTRA Iraq civilians have died in Iraq since the United States invaded the nation.

I don't know whom to believe on this issue, and there's no doubt in my mind that the infighting we've seen is a major factor here, in any case. One thing is clear: our casualties have been wasted on this war. Our suffering has been for naught. Our young people are in wheel chairs and buried in cemeteries because of an invalid foreign policy that none of the other CFR puppets are going to change one iota.

Keep playing by their rules, and this is simply, as I suspected from the beginning, an excercise in futility.

Very true, and yet we have to be intelligent enough to rewrite the rules for ourselves without being seen as anarchists. A third party is the right way to go in my view, especially given what happened in Iowa and Wyoming.

Not many people are willing to change; it requires something akin to shock to force change on them, and, there was no shock in his message during the debate. And in particular in NH, that is something that would have been valued.

You nailed it. The common attack on my criticism of the Patriot Acts is "what freedoms have you lost?" The Establishment is careful to leave crumbs for the people such that they can be persuaded that their lives are acceptable.

Dr. Paul was a gentleman. Gentlemen do not win these kinds of fights.

Perhaps. The American people will have to think for themselves, and if they do not, we cannot force them to do so. Some people prefer self-posessed gentlemen over marionettes regardless of the issues involved.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-06   12:54:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#46. To: richard9151 (#39)

You are all correct in that Dr. Paul's message is the only message that is different. BUT...... therein lies the problem, because that means that it is outside of what Americans have come to consider normal. Which means that it is outside of their comfort zone. Not many people are willing to change; it requires something akin to shock to force change on them, and, there was no shock in his message during the debate. And in particular in NH, that is something that would have been valued.

Excellent thoughts - thanks.

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Lod  posted on  2008-01-06   12:55:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#47. To: richard9151, buckeye, Peppa, kiki, scrapper2, Cynicom, Peppa, TwentyTwelve, who knows what evil, tom007, Dakmar, lodwick, critter, Robin, ALL (#39)

Thank you Richard for your long thoughtful post, I appreciate it
Dr Paul is offering USA citizens great government
If we do not get him in right now, we will have 4 years of hell ahead of us
If we do succeed in getting Ron Paul in Office, we will have saved our Constitution
the liberty of the people of the United States of America will be ensured
and we will not continue to rain hell with out bombs all over the world

God gave us free will
and by the grace of God, by a miracle, we still have free elections

If Dr Paul were not running, there would be no choice
we would have hell for next 4 years
Ron Paul gives us the choice for something completely different
we can save ourselves from hell by voting him President

Dr Paul does not need to do more than what he is doing
which is offering this choice

We will find out if our citizens choose it
whatever choice they make we will live

There won't be a second chance
without Dr Paul in Office, there will be police state
I doubt there will be free elections again
they will be fixed

I see no reason at this point why I should not trust my fellow citizens to make the right choice
I honestly believe Ron Paul is the candidate God supports, and having God's support is no small potatoes

It is early in the game, Ron Paul did beat Rudy in Iowa, he was only 3 points behind McCain and Fred Thompson
Ron Paul will do better in New Hampshire, and even better in South Carolina
Why not keep our chins up
All my love,
Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   12:58:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#48. To: buckeye (#45)

One thing is clear: our casualties have been wasted on this war. Our suffering has been for naught. Our young people are in wheel chairs and buried in cemeteries because of an invalid foreign policy that none of the other CFR puppets are going to change one iota.

Exactly the reason that our military people overwhelmingly support Dr.Paul.

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Lod  posted on  2008-01-06   12:58:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#49. To: palo verde (#17)

Thank you and I'm glad you agree that Dr. Paul did well in the debate. Let the other candidates attack each other over what is amnesty or what they said or didn't say. It makes them look like idiots.

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robin  posted on  2008-01-06   13:01:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#50. To: buckeye (#45)

(Richard) Dr. Paul was a gentleman. Gentlemen do not win these kinds of fights.

(Buckeye) The American people will have to think for themselves,
and if they do not, we cannot force them to do so.

Some people prefer self-posessed gentlemen over marionettes regardless of the issues involved.

perfect post Buckeye
thank you
Love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   13:02:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#51. To: noone222 (#40) (Edited)

I just think he possesses the attributes of a Statesman and Constitutional awareness this country needs to put into practice, but seems hesitant to forcefully project himself into the debate.

Ron Paul has admitted this on several occasions. Now is his time to change, to listen to his most supportive critics, and to step up and lead.

This was likely the more polite approach, but formulas presented by the scumbags hogging the air time have already been heard for 100 years, haven't succeeded in the least, and is simply so much blah, blah, blah.

Unfortunately, with the Establishment entrenched with traitors and charlatans, many who are leaning on the unstated violence behind the power elite, someone who can verbally scrap with the best of them is needed — so long as the scrapping happens at the right time.

The internet isn't enough, he must secure the hearts and minds of Americans far and wide.

Right, and we are at a historic juncture now where another eight years of CFR dominated politics will seal our fate as the ultimate force behind one world government will be sealed

We must stand against this. Illegal immigration is a tool these people are using to shred our cultural unity, and Americans who love this country know that. Ron Paul has failed to recruit all of these people to his side, however. Many believe we could bring in sound money and eliminate federal power, but if our country continues to be overrun by socialist-leaning Mexican invaders, we'll lose any remaining value for the Constitution. This is a legitimate fear.

I think he's the only thing standing between a free America and a civil war.

The media owns this story, just like any other. You know what I mean.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-06   13:02:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#52. To: buckeye (#51)

Right, and we are at a historic juncture now where another eight years of CFR dominated politics will seal our fate as the force behind one world government —. We must stand against this. Illegal immigration is a tool these people are using to shred our cultural unity, and Americans who love this country know that. Ron Paul has failed to recruit all of these people to his side, however. Many believe we could bring in sound money and eliminate federal power, but if our country continues to be overrun by socialist-leaning Mexican invaders, we'll lose any remaining value for the Constitution. This is a legitimate fear.

There is not a city, town, or village in our country that does not have illegal aliens in it.

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Lod  posted on  2008-01-06   13:06:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#53. To: robin (#49)

I'm glad you agree that Dr. Paul did well in the debate.
Let the other candidates attack each other over what is amnesty or what they said or didn't say.
It makes them look like idiots.

Good post Robin
let's not forget Ron Paul has it easy, because all he has to do is speak the truth as he knows it
all the others are up there to spin and deceive
but that's their shtick and they're good at it

GO Ron GO

Love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   13:06:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#54. To: noone222 (#40)

He mentions the young people sometimes as if they are his primary supporters almost to the exclusion of everyone else.

The man's in his 70's. He probably sees anyone under 50 as being "young people."

"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5

orangedog  posted on  2008-01-06   13:09:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#55. To: palo verde (#53)

Palo, why isn't the Seibel Edmonds case impacting this election yet?

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-06   13:09:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#56. To: palo verde (#53)

let's not forget Ron Paul has it easy, because all he has to do is speak the truth as he knows it all the others are up there to spin and deceive but that's their shtick and they're good at it

How true, like when the moderator went one by one, discussing how they had each changed positions; and listed a few. All he could say about Dr. Paul was that he had changed parties once, but not his beliefs.

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robin  posted on  2008-01-06   13:10:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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