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Title: Review of January 5th, 2008 ABC GOP Debate
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Published: Jan 5, 2008
Author: buckeye
Post Date: 2008-01-05 21:57:08 by buckeye
Keywords: Ron Paul
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Comments: 103

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Quick synopsis

  • Ron Paul, my focus during this event, was tired, slow to articulate his points, and easily overwhelmed by aggressive partisans.
  • McCain appeared to withdraw his insistence on amnesty, and then spent excess time interrupting other candidates who were differentiating themselves from his former positions — in defense of what he had apologized for.
  • Romney was effective at articulating his technical perspectives on issues (medical care, immigration) but clearly will not deviate from the Bush doctrines of war.
  • Thompson was reserved and came across as a fat cat at times. He smirked at Ron Paul several times.
  • Giuliani was about the same as he has always been. He smirked and laughed mirthlessly at Ron Paul several times.
  • John McCain was especially demeaning to Ron Paul during discussion of war.
  • Smirking and chuckling was prevalent when Ron Paul was talking about the Federal Reserve and inflation.

Illegal Immigration

This is my main reason for posting this thread.

  • It became abundantly clear that no one on the stage would deal with illegal immigration adequately. PC rules the day. we are not being heard yet.
  • Ron Paul lost an incredible chance to demonstrate his resolve on this issue, but he came close by emphasizing welfare.
  • The other GOP members are weak-kneed and left themselves with massive openings for abandoning their commitments to deal with immigration.
  • Huckabee talked about building a fence, and sounded like he's been listening to Gilchrist; his credibility is very low in my opinion.
  • The American people have NOT communicated their anger effectively with these people.

Ron Paul's demeanor

This was a fair debate with an open format.

  • Rushed, combative, on the defensive in many cases.
  • Unable to keep up with cross-talk and interruptions.
  • Should have worn a red tie, I'm hearing.

Ron Paul's victory

  • He kept his temper when badly mistreated not by ABC, but by the other participants.
  • He kept his humor, and joked several times.
  • He did articulate the threat of inflation/monetary-abuse.
  • He did talk about civil liberties and preemptive war.
  • He did talk about free enterprise and the Constitution.
  • He is the only candidate truly planning on implementing change.

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#33. To: noone222, buckeye, ALL (#0)

(Palo) I found this post by noone222 at the bottom of last night's thread, I am copying it here,
because we are talking about these things here
posters will want to read his 2 cents
I have my own comment on it, I'll post it below

by noone222

I don't think RP looked very confident last night. His demeanor is low key and his being a gentleman amongst arrogance may cost him unless he's able to get in the fray.

I hate to be critical of the ONLY worthy candidate ... but if he doesn't step it up a couple of notches he's doomed.

"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp

noone222

I want to give thought to how I respond to this
because it matters
so I'm just posting this now
and will comment when I've thought about it

I am glad NoOne raised this issue, because everyone has thought it
but my hunch is it is not true
I mean Dr Paul is doing everything perfectly, he does not have to be different
but again, let me try to think it thru
Love, Palo

I would very much like to hear what everyone else thinks about this too?

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   11:35:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#34. To: noone222, buckeye, critter, Cynicom Peppa, Robin, ALL (#33)

by noone222

I don't think RP looked very confident last night.
His demeanor is low key and his being a gentleman amongst arrogance may cost him
unless he's able to get in the fray.

I hate to be critical of the ONLY worthy candidate ...
but if he doesn't step it up a couple of notches he's doomed.

Ron Paul did look perfectly confident and relaxed last night
he was not aggressive and he is not charismatic
(does not have charisma)

I looked up charisma in dictionary on google

1) a personal magic of leadership arousing special popular loyalty or enthusiasm for a public figure (as a political leader)

2) a special magnetic charm or appeal (the charisma of a popular actor)

Ron Paul is a modest person
He is a quiet person
He is a calm person

Ron Paul offers his mind and his character
His mind is filled with sane and sensible ideas of how to stop the madness which has taken hold of our government now
and steer our ship of state back to liberty, peace, and abundance

Ron Paul is perfectly honest, trustworthy, and cannot be bought off

It is a tremendous blessing of God, a man like that is running for President of the United States now
and it is our job to put him in our Oval Office this time next year
And we will

On our side, our citizens all have minds
the power elites are banking on their idea that we don't have minds
but they are wrong

and anyone who hears Ron Paul's message and gets to meet him on TV will be interested
and a majority will want him to be our President
Love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   11:54:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#36. To: palo verde (#34)

and a majority will want him to be our President

I'm hopeful at idea that he might form a third party, since the GOP machinery is clearly so corrupt.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-06   11:57:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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#37. To: buckeye (#36)

Ron Paul doesn't have to form a 3rd party, he just has to be President this time next year
we still do have free elections, we have to put him in Office now
Love, Palo

we'll have to deal with corruption in GOP after Ron Paul is President

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06 12:03:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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