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Title: Review of January 5th, 2008 ABC GOP Debate
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Published: Jan 5, 2008
Author: buckeye
Post Date: 2008-01-05 21:57:08 by buckeye
Keywords: Ron Paul
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Comments: 103

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Quick synopsis

  • Ron Paul, my focus during this event, was tired, slow to articulate his points, and easily overwhelmed by aggressive partisans.
  • McCain appeared to withdraw his insistence on amnesty, and then spent excess time interrupting other candidates who were differentiating themselves from his former positions — in defense of what he had apologized for.
  • Romney was effective at articulating his technical perspectives on issues (medical care, immigration) but clearly will not deviate from the Bush doctrines of war.
  • Thompson was reserved and came across as a fat cat at times. He smirked at Ron Paul several times.
  • Giuliani was about the same as he has always been. He smirked and laughed mirthlessly at Ron Paul several times.
  • John McCain was especially demeaning to Ron Paul during discussion of war.
  • Smirking and chuckling was prevalent when Ron Paul was talking about the Federal Reserve and inflation.

Illegal Immigration

This is my main reason for posting this thread.

  • It became abundantly clear that no one on the stage would deal with illegal immigration adequately. PC rules the day. we are not being heard yet.
  • Ron Paul lost an incredible chance to demonstrate his resolve on this issue, but he came close by emphasizing welfare.
  • The other GOP members are weak-kneed and left themselves with massive openings for abandoning their commitments to deal with immigration.
  • Huckabee talked about building a fence, and sounded like he's been listening to Gilchrist; his credibility is very low in my opinion.
  • The American people have NOT communicated their anger effectively with these people.

Ron Paul's demeanor

This was a fair debate with an open format.

  • Rushed, combative, on the defensive in many cases.
  • Unable to keep up with cross-talk and interruptions.
  • Should have worn a red tie, I'm hearing.

Ron Paul's victory

  • He kept his temper when badly mistreated not by ABC, but by the other participants.
  • He kept his humor, and joked several times.
  • He did articulate the threat of inflation/monetary-abuse.
  • He did talk about civil liberties and preemptive war.
  • He did talk about free enterprise and the Constitution.
  • He is the only candidate truly planning on implementing change.

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#33. To: noone222, buckeye, ALL (#0)

(Palo) I found this post by noone222 at the bottom of last night's thread, I am copying it here,
because we are talking about these things here
posters will want to read his 2 cents
I have my own comment on it, I'll post it below

by noone222

I don't think RP looked very confident last night. His demeanor is low key and his being a gentleman amongst arrogance may cost him unless he's able to get in the fray.

I hate to be critical of the ONLY worthy candidate ... but if he doesn't step it up a couple of notches he's doomed.

"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp

noone222

I want to give thought to how I respond to this
because it matters
so I'm just posting this now
and will comment when I've thought about it

I am glad NoOne raised this issue, because everyone has thought it
but my hunch is it is not true
I mean Dr Paul is doing everything perfectly, he does not have to be different
but again, let me try to think it thru
Love, Palo

I would very much like to hear what everyone else thinks about this too?

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   11:35:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#34. To: noone222, buckeye, critter, Cynicom Peppa, Robin, ALL (#33)

by noone222

I don't think RP looked very confident last night.
His demeanor is low key and his being a gentleman amongst arrogance may cost him
unless he's able to get in the fray.

I hate to be critical of the ONLY worthy candidate ...
but if he doesn't step it up a couple of notches he's doomed.

Ron Paul did look perfectly confident and relaxed last night
he was not aggressive and he is not charismatic
(does not have charisma)

I looked up charisma in dictionary on google

1) a personal magic of leadership arousing special popular loyalty or enthusiasm for a public figure (as a political leader)

2) a special magnetic charm or appeal (the charisma of a popular actor)

Ron Paul is a modest person
He is a quiet person
He is a calm person

Ron Paul offers his mind and his character
His mind is filled with sane and sensible ideas of how to stop the madness which has taken hold of our government now
and steer our ship of state back to liberty, peace, and abundance

Ron Paul is perfectly honest, trustworthy, and cannot be bought off

It is a tremendous blessing of God, a man like that is running for President of the United States now
and it is our job to put him in our Oval Office this time next year
And we will

On our side, our citizens all have minds
the power elites are banking on their idea that we don't have minds
but they are wrong

and anyone who hears Ron Paul's message and gets to meet him on TV will be interested
and a majority will want him to be our President
Love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   11:54:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#40. To: palo verde (#34)

Don't think that I'm not 1000% supportive of Dr. Paul. I just think he possesses the attributes of a Statesman and Constitutional awareness this country needs to put into practice, but seems hesitant to forcefully project himself into the debate.

While the others (unworthy to lace his shoes) seemed able to inject themselves whenever they wished, Dr. Paul waited until he was addressed by the moderator. This was likely the more polite approach, but formulas presented by the scumbags hogging the air time have already been heard for 100 years, haven't succeeded in the least, and is simply so much blah, blah, blah.

One last thing just in case anyone has some insider ability to mention something to Dr. Paul. He mentions the young people sometimes as if they are his primary supporters almost to the exclusion of everyone else. I KNOW his supporters are all ages, races, and religions, include members of every level of the social stratum and are looking to remain free from governmental intrusion and the nanny state. Dr. Pauls enthusiastic supporters are sick of the status quo and want real change and not the tired old repeated ad nauseum promises of change we hear every election cycle.

Dr. Paul needs to show up and make himself noticed in the mainstream in order to win. I'm not saying he hasn't already made a huge difference, because he most definitely has. The internet isn't enough, he must secure the hearts and minds of Americans far and wide.

I think he's the only thing standing between a free America and a civil war. I've been watching politics for 45 years and never witnessed such a grass roots ground swell of wide ranging support. We must do all we can to win, even if that is so we know we did everything we could to salvage the country. It's very serious, and I don't think I have the capability to express just how serious it is.

noone222  posted on  2008-01-06   12:35:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#59. To: noone222 (#40)

(noone222) One last thing just in case anyone has some insider ability to mention something to Dr. Paul.
He mentions the young people sometimes as if they are his primary supporters almost to the exclusion of everyone else.
I KNOW his supporters are all ages, races, and religions,
include members of every level of the social stratum and are looking to remain free from governmental intrusion and the nanny state.
Dr. Pauls enthusiastic supporters are sick of the status quo and want real change and not the tired old repeated ad nauseum promises of change we hear every election cycle.

Dr. Paul needs to show up and make himself noticed in the mainstream in order to win. I'm not saying he hasn't already made a huge difference, because he most definitely has.
The internet isn't enough, he must secure the hearts and minds of Americans far and wide.

I think he's the only thing standing between a free America and a civil war.
I've been watching politics for 45 years and never witnessed such a grass roots ground swell of wide ranging support.
We must do all we can to win, even if that is so we know we did everything we could to salvage the country.
It's very serious, and I don't think I have the capability to express just how serious it is.

thank you for your great post, No One
I do not know how many realize how serious it is, I am one who does
If Ron Paul is not in our Oval Office this time next year, we will have police state
and all police states go fascist
this is our one chance to save outselves, we must do it now

I also agree his supporters come from every age, sex, class, race, religion, and stratum of society
And you are right, someone should tip Ron Paul off about this
He is so surprised and thrilled to find the youth support him, that he forgets to mention the rest of us do

I love you
Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   13:18:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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#101. To: palo verde, noone222, buckeye, scrapper2, All (#59)

One last thing just in case anyone has some insider ability to mention something to Dr. Paul.

He mentions the young people sometimes as if they are his primary supporters almost to the exclusion of everyone else.

He is so surprised and thrilled to find the youth support him, that he forgets to mention the rest of us do.

I think Dr. Paul is more delighted than surprised by the response of the most idealistic of our citizenry, as am I. My feathers aren't least bit ruffled by his reaction to their response.

Might it also be possible that RP realizes that "the Revolution" is going to be a Valley Forge thing, not a Parisian thing?

I think he's the only thing standing between a free America and a civil war.

If Ron Paul is not in our Oval Office this time next year, we will have police state and all police states go fascist this is our one chance to save outselves, we must do it now

One thing I'm pretty damn sure of, apocalyptic talk is not our friend.

I'm reminded of the old "young bull, old bull joke", only with the attitudes reversed.

iconoclast  posted on  2008-01-08 09:34:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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