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Title: Review of January 5th, 2008 ABC GOP Debate
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Published: Jan 5, 2008
Author: buckeye
Post Date: 2008-01-05 21:57:08 by buckeye
Keywords: Ron Paul
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Quick synopsis

  • Ron Paul, my focus during this event, was tired, slow to articulate his points, and easily overwhelmed by aggressive partisans.
  • McCain appeared to withdraw his insistence on amnesty, and then spent excess time interrupting other candidates who were differentiating themselves from his former positions — in defense of what he had apologized for.
  • Romney was effective at articulating his technical perspectives on issues (medical care, immigration) but clearly will not deviate from the Bush doctrines of war.
  • Thompson was reserved and came across as a fat cat at times. He smirked at Ron Paul several times.
  • Giuliani was about the same as he has always been. He smirked and laughed mirthlessly at Ron Paul several times.
  • John McCain was especially demeaning to Ron Paul during discussion of war.
  • Smirking and chuckling was prevalent when Ron Paul was talking about the Federal Reserve and inflation.

Illegal Immigration

This is my main reason for posting this thread.

  • It became abundantly clear that no one on the stage would deal with illegal immigration adequately. PC rules the day. we are not being heard yet.
  • Ron Paul lost an incredible chance to demonstrate his resolve on this issue, but he came close by emphasizing welfare.
  • The other GOP members are weak-kneed and left themselves with massive openings for abandoning their commitments to deal with immigration.
  • Huckabee talked about building a fence, and sounded like he's been listening to Gilchrist; his credibility is very low in my opinion.
  • The American people have NOT communicated their anger effectively with these people.

Ron Paul's demeanor

This was a fair debate with an open format.

  • Rushed, combative, on the defensive in many cases.
  • Unable to keep up with cross-talk and interruptions.
  • Should have worn a red tie, I'm hearing.

Ron Paul's victory

  • He kept his temper when badly mistreated not by ABC, but by the other participants.
  • He kept his humor, and joked several times.
  • He did articulate the threat of inflation/monetary-abuse.
  • He did talk about civil liberties and preemptive war.
  • He did talk about free enterprise and the Constitution.
  • He is the only candidate truly planning on implementing change.

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#2. To: buckeye (#0)

Thanks buck...

In his behalf, Paul is near my age and we do tire easily.

On the other hand Paul has also lived more history than the rest and he is a gentleman.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-05   22:02:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#13. To: Cynicom, buckeye, *Ron Paul for President 2008* (#2) (Edited)

I disagree with this analysis, I thought Dr. Paul behaved like a gentleman, and did very well. He was more careful this time in his explanation of his domestic policies; that was a relief.

The best part, IMO, was the question he posed that received no answer: "Then why do we prop up their dictators?"

Also, there was clearly a "Gentlemen's Agreement" to LAUGH together AT Dr. Paul.

Dr. Paul did not engage in attacking others, which was very smart.

robin  posted on  2008-01-06   7:59:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#17. To: robin, ALL (#13)

I thought Dr. Paul behaved like a gentleman, and did very well.
He was more careful this time in his explanation of his domestic policies;
that was a relief.

The best part, IMO, was the question he posed that received no answer:
"Then why do we prop up their dictators?"

Also, there was clearly a "Gentlemen's Agreement" to LAUGH together AT Dr. Paul.

Dr. Paul did not engage in attacking others, which was very smart.

Robin this is superb post you wrote
and from what I witnessed, true
you did great
Love, Palo

Dr Paul did excellent in the debate!

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   10:30:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#49. To: palo verde (#17)

Thank you and I'm glad you agree that Dr. Paul did well in the debate. Let the other candidates attack each other over what is amnesty or what they said or didn't say. It makes them look like idiots.

robin  posted on  2008-01-06   13:01:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#53. To: robin (#49)

I'm glad you agree that Dr. Paul did well in the debate.
Let the other candidates attack each other over what is amnesty or what they said or didn't say.
It makes them look like idiots.

Good post Robin
let's not forget Ron Paul has it easy, because all he has to do is speak the truth as he knows it
all the others are up there to spin and deceive
but that's their shtick and they're good at it

GO Ron GO

Love, Palo

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   13:06:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#55. To: palo verde (#53)

Palo, why isn't the Seibel Edmonds case impacting this election yet?

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-06   13:09:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#67. To: buckeye, Fred Mertz, Robin, Peppa, ALL (#55)

Palo, why isn't the Sibel Edmonds case impacting this election yet?

Sibel told me in email last month her only hope now is Ron Paul will be elected President
I have not been able to fight for Sibel Edmonds since Ron Paul announced his candidacy
I am putting everything into electing Ron Paul president
and Sibel is right, the only chance government will do anything about the corruption she has uncovered
is if Ron Paul is President

as for her supporters, many are ideologically left-wing
I don't know if they will put their ideology aside and support Ron Paul

as for the corruption Sibel has uncovered, and you know how serious it is
members of our State Dept and DOD are selling nuclear material on the black market
to highest bidder
including terrorists

we now have traitors in our FBI, State Dept, DOD, and other places
who sell US Defense intelligence on black market, etc

how can Dr Paul touch this in the election, if he even knows about it
both Parties, and every branch of government is covering it up

Love, Palo

the interesting thing is if mass media ever stopped covering this up,
if it ever did become exposed
before the election
Ron Paul would win by a landslide instantly
you agree?

but right now I don't see it happening
but who knows what will happen

palo verde  posted on  2008-01-06   13:36:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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#71. To: palo verde, FOH, Cynicom (#67)

...we now have traitors in our FBI, State Dept, DOD, and other places who sell US Defense intelligence on black market, etc...

Palo dear, you and I both know that it is not left-wing to oppose corruption. Paleo-conservatives all across this country are deeply concerned with the internationalist/communist infiltration of our government, to include the CIA, State Department, and FBI — and other departments.

Sovereign Solutions: Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt

Move forward to 1:08 to see Seibel Edmonds speak on our duty as citizens to oppose treason.

There is a solemn UN flag-burning ceremony which follows that segment.

Mrs. Iserbyt's talk is anything but left-wing, and the people behind the publication of this video appear from casual examination to be solid patriots.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-06 13:53:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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