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Title: Review of January 5th, 2008 ABC GOP Debate
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Published: Jan 5, 2008
Author: buckeye
Post Date: 2008-01-05 21:57:08 by buckeye
Keywords: Ron Paul
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Quick synopsis

  • Ron Paul, my focus during this event, was tired, slow to articulate his points, and easily overwhelmed by aggressive partisans.
  • McCain appeared to withdraw his insistence on amnesty, and then spent excess time interrupting other candidates who were differentiating themselves from his former positions — in defense of what he had apologized for.
  • Romney was effective at articulating his technical perspectives on issues (medical care, immigration) but clearly will not deviate from the Bush doctrines of war.
  • Thompson was reserved and came across as a fat cat at times. He smirked at Ron Paul several times.
  • Giuliani was about the same as he has always been. He smirked and laughed mirthlessly at Ron Paul several times.
  • John McCain was especially demeaning to Ron Paul during discussion of war.
  • Smirking and chuckling was prevalent when Ron Paul was talking about the Federal Reserve and inflation.

Illegal Immigration

This is my main reason for posting this thread.

  • It became abundantly clear that no one on the stage would deal with illegal immigration adequately. PC rules the day. we are not being heard yet.
  • Ron Paul lost an incredible chance to demonstrate his resolve on this issue, but he came close by emphasizing welfare.
  • The other GOP members are weak-kneed and left themselves with massive openings for abandoning their commitments to deal with immigration.
  • Huckabee talked about building a fence, and sounded like he's been listening to Gilchrist; his credibility is very low in my opinion.
  • The American people have NOT communicated their anger effectively with these people.

Ron Paul's demeanor

This was a fair debate with an open format.

  • Rushed, combative, on the defensive in many cases.
  • Unable to keep up with cross-talk and interruptions.
  • Should have worn a red tie, I'm hearing.

Ron Paul's victory

  • He kept his temper when badly mistreated not by ABC, but by the other participants.
  • He kept his humor, and joked several times.
  • He did articulate the threat of inflation/monetary-abuse.
  • He did talk about civil liberties and preemptive war.
  • He did talk about free enterprise and the Constitution.
  • He is the only candidate truly planning on implementing change.

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#68. To: buckeye (#0)

the snickering ignorance of the candidates other than ron paul is highly evident. questions on my mind are: is america a nation of half wits buying this crap? has america been hypnotized into buying this crap? is america ready for the truth?

the outcome of all this doesn't look very bright if a candidate other than ron paul is selected. as a result, i started to vote with my wallet. i began to pare back my u.s. equity investments.

BrentFromCanada  posted on  2008-01-06   13:38:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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#100. To: BrentFromCanada, iconoclast (#68)

the snickering ignorance of the candidates other than ron paul is highly evident.

It's not completely clear that Ron Paul's GOP opponents are ignorant. If they treat his comments about a restricted foreign policy and fiscal responsibility seriously, they will be forced to justify their own positions which ignore those things.

They may understand full well that inflation robs savers of their value. They may know that the American military cannot fight a world war against an ill-defined idea with politically correct hogties, and sustain itself financially — let alone politically. They may realize that the Federal Reserve system has enslaved the American people. But to admit any of this would be to discredit the fabric of assumptions on which their careers are based, and would even insult some of their backers.

questions on my mind are: is america a nation of half wits buying this crap?
The media gives them bread and circuses, and offers them pro/con positions that barely differ. Other solutions to problems are ignored or treated as "extreme," even when the positions taken pro/con are often extreme by objective analysis. In short, they don't have any other information, and they are kept busy by the harness of lifestyle complexity into which they have willingly stepped.
is america ready for the truth?
That isn't the issue, by and large. Polls show that we're ready to end the war. Polls show that the government is thought to be incompetent and corrupt. But watching the debates, it was clear that each candidate (D/R alike) wants to offer a so-called solution to these problems. Don't blame Americans for not polling well for Ron Paul. The media, which hands the scepter of power to a few chosen ones, has not handed it to him, and won't. They feel uneasy about this, but can't make a choice comfortably.
the outcome of all this doesn't look very bright if a candidate other than ron paul is selected. as a result, i started to vote with my wallet. i began to pare back my u.s. equity investments.
No arguments here. As Ron Paul says, our government, and specifically this particular government, is not the American people. Americans do believe they are supporting democracy around the world. If they realized that Ron Paul couldn't have ever won in Wyoming this weekend, they might be more concerned about elections in their own country more.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-07 19:38:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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