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Title: Review of January 5th, 2008 ABC GOP Debate
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Published: Jan 5, 2008
Author: buckeye
Post Date: 2008-01-05 21:57:08 by buckeye
Keywords: Ron Paul
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Comments: 103

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Quick synopsis

  • Ron Paul, my focus during this event, was tired, slow to articulate his points, and easily overwhelmed by aggressive partisans.
  • McCain appeared to withdraw his insistence on amnesty, and then spent excess time interrupting other candidates who were differentiating themselves from his former positions — in defense of what he had apologized for.
  • Romney was effective at articulating his technical perspectives on issues (medical care, immigration) but clearly will not deviate from the Bush doctrines of war.
  • Thompson was reserved and came across as a fat cat at times. He smirked at Ron Paul several times.
  • Giuliani was about the same as he has always been. He smirked and laughed mirthlessly at Ron Paul several times.
  • John McCain was especially demeaning to Ron Paul during discussion of war.
  • Smirking and chuckling was prevalent when Ron Paul was talking about the Federal Reserve and inflation.

Illegal Immigration

This is my main reason for posting this thread.

  • It became abundantly clear that no one on the stage would deal with illegal immigration adequately. PC rules the day. we are not being heard yet.
  • Ron Paul lost an incredible chance to demonstrate his resolve on this issue, but he came close by emphasizing welfare.
  • The other GOP members are weak-kneed and left themselves with massive openings for abandoning their commitments to deal with immigration.
  • Huckabee talked about building a fence, and sounded like he's been listening to Gilchrist; his credibility is very low in my opinion.
  • The American people have NOT communicated their anger effectively with these people.

Ron Paul's demeanor

This was a fair debate with an open format.

  • Rushed, combative, on the defensive in many cases.
  • Unable to keep up with cross-talk and interruptions.
  • Should have worn a red tie, I'm hearing.

Ron Paul's victory

  • He kept his temper when badly mistreated not by ABC, but by the other participants.
  • He kept his humor, and joked several times.
  • He did articulate the threat of inflation/monetary-abuse.
  • He did talk about civil liberties and preemptive war.
  • He did talk about free enterprise and the Constitution.
  • He is the only candidate truly planning on implementing change.

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#1. To: FOH, christine, iconoclast, Cynicom, who knows what evil, lodwick (#0)

ping

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-05   22:01:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: buckeye (#1)

Paul was the only one who didn't make a complete ass of himself.

who knows what evil  posted on  2008-01-05   22:04:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: who knows what evil (#3)

Paul was the only one who didn't make a complete ass of himself.

yeah, the rest of them just didn't seem like very nice people. I'm not saying you should support someone because you'd like to have a beer with him, but by the same token, you probably shouldn't support someone who you'd rather see get beaten up in a bar fight.

kiki  posted on  2008-01-05   23:13:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#8. To: kiki (#7)

the rest of them just didn't seem like very nice people.

Too true.

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-05 23:17:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: kiki, buckeye, All (#7)

the rest of them just didn't seem like very nice people

The Republican establishment is not made up of "very nice people".

I have been musing over what shape Dr. Paul's game plan may take as the 2008 race goes forward.

I do not see evidence of RP's throwing much of the treasure chest around, and I have come to feel strongly that he will declare third party (unless someone on a white horse charges in, and I don't know who the hell that would be).

Perhaps it is just wishful thinking on my part, but I believe the good Doctor may/has come to the conclusion that the most realistic step toward return to a Constitution based government may be first putting a stake through the heart of the faux "conservative" party in the form of a huge and painful and undeniable rejection of the treasonists in November.

iconoclast  posted on  2008-01-06 09:16:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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