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Title: Sean Hannity Flees Angry Ron Paul Supporters
Source: News Hounds (We watch FOX so you don't have to)
URL Source: http://www.newshounds.us/2008/01/07 ... _angry_ron_paul_supporters.php
Published: Jan 7, 2008
Author: News Hounds
Post Date: 2008-01-07 12:56:28 by Brian S
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A group of Ron Paul supporters gave Sean Hannity a piece of their minds about FOX News' exclusion of Paul from its forum.

Just as I've always suspected he would, bullyboy Sean Hannity turned chicken and fled.

By the way, anybody know who the blonde was? His wife? Girlfriend?

Whoever it was, he seemed more interested in fleeing than in making sure she was OK. Oh, and FOX News sucks! Video after the jump.

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

His radio program should be pretty interesting today. Censorship has its own rewards, Mr. Hannity. There is no reason not to discuss Dr. Paul on your show...fair and balanced is definitely the way to go. You just don't practice what you preach.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2008-01-07   13:00:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Brian S (#0)

I'm getting this: "We're sorry, this video is no longer availible" when I click on it.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-01-07   13:02:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Ferret Mike (#2)

It gets pulled all the time...people keep posting it.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2008-01-07   13:02:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Ferret Mike (#2)

It worked for me.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2008-01-07   13:05:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Fred Mertz (#4)

Interesting. I'll keep trying. But that is the verbiage I get in the frame of the video.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-01-07   13:11:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: who knows what evil (#1)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-07   13:15:14 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Brian S (#0)

Sorry state this country is in when the citizens have to resort to street action.

Just perhaps it is a sign of worse to come.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   13:15:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#7)

Sad, indeed.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2008-01-07   13:16:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: who knows what evil, Fred Mertz (#3)

OK, it's working now. I hate to jump to conclusions on things as I know often problems I perceive as being caused from elsewhere turn up to be explainible, but that is the verbiage I got twice in a pitch black box before I got it to work finally.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-01-07   13:17:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Brian S (#0)

Yeah, give 'im a taste of the angry mob and he'll tone down his rhetoric. Use their tactics on them, the jackals.

Live free or die.

angle  posted on  2008-01-07   13:18:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Ferret Mike (#9)

It is getting a lot of hits so it isn't surprising...

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2008-01-07   13:21:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Ferret Mike (#5)

Interesting. I'll keep trying. But that is the verbiage I get in the frame of the video.

I've gotten that a lot and found that if I reload the web page (the thread) it then plays fine. It usually happens if the thread holding the youtube embed is sits idle too long.

Pinguinite.com EcuadorTreasures.ec

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-01-07   13:25:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: who knows what evil (#1)

His radio program should be pretty interesting today. Censorship has its own rewards, Mr. Hannity. There is no reason not to discuss Dr. Paul on your show...fair and balanced is definitely the way to go. You just don't practice what you preach.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-07   13:26:06 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Cynicom (#7)

"Just perhaps it is a sign of worse to come."

This gets my vote as one of your all time best tongue in cheek understatements.

When the revolution or 1776 is defended by another revolution, it will because enough people wake up to how it has come down to we have no choice left but to live free or die.

As their control over us hardens, they will be less and less disposed to mask the fact. That had how this sort of disease, this fascism manifests itself as it develops in a country infected with corporate control of government.

Communism is the government controlling business, and fascism is business controlling the government. Both states of affairs are poison.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-01-07   13:26:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Ferret Mike (#9)

There is a little program called Keep Vid that you can use to download you tube (and other) videos in an flv format. Pretty simple program and you can use it to save stuff that you know is destined for the memory hole.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-01-07   13:27:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: All (#15)

http://keepvid.com/

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-01-07   13:29:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Pinguinite (#12)

Thanks for the heads up on this. I have not been particularly happy with what Google has done with You Tube, so your explanation helps.

I am deeply and systemically suspicious or everything corporate or monopolistic. Which of course comes naturally to anyone who bothers to look at things with eyes wide open.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-01-07   13:29:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: James Deffenbach (#15)

Thanks, appreciate that information. Some videos are too good to let disappear down the rabbit hole.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-01-07   13:31:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: TwentyTwelve (#13) (Edited)

--

America the Oligarchy -You are free to do what they tell you

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-01-07   13:34:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Brian S (#0)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-01-07   13:36:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: ghostdogtxn (#20)

People are getting angry.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-07   13:37:49 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Ferret Mike (#18)

Thanks, appreciate that information. Some videos are too good to let disappear down the rabbit hole.

You're welcome. I save mostly music videos because it seems you tube deletes them a lot. They must have deleted half the ones I had "saved" to my favorites or to a list. Or thought I had saved them. The only way you can be sure is to get some kind of program that lets you download them yourself.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-01-07   13:38:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: TwentyTwelve (#21)

I often wonder if Kennedy had an inkling of what was to come in this country.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   13:39:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Cynicom (#23)

I often wonder if Kennedy had an inkling of what was to come in this country.

I think he knew.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-07   13:41:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Ferret Mike (#14)

I have OLDER friends that have to be restrained from voicing what they would like to see happen.

Youth has the strength but they are not alone.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   13:42:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Cynicom, Ferret Mike, FOH, FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#25)

Youth has the strength but they are not alone.

This is a fact.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-07   13:44:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: TwentyTwelve (#24)

"On June 4 1963, President John F. Kennedy issued Executive order 11110. This ordered the Treasury to print United States currency backed by the Silver in the vaults of the Treasury they would be non interest bearing, the government would no longer have to borrow Federal Reserve interest bearing money and increase the National Debt. It would have put the Federal Reserve System as we know it out of business. The bills were printed but removed from circulation immediately after Kennedy's assassination November 22, 1963."

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   13:47:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Cynicom, FOH, Critter, Original_Intent, wudidiz, FormerLurker (#27)

No United States president since Abraham Lincoln dared to go against the system and create his own money, [until President John F. Kennedy].

President Kennedy was not afraid to buck the system...

ABRAHAM LINCOLN AND JOHN F. KENNEDY

No United States president since Abraham Lincoln dared to go against the system and create his own money, as many of these so called elected presidents were actually only instruments or puppets of the Bankers. That is until President John F Kennedy came into Office.

President Kennedy was not afraid to buck the system for he understood how the Federal Reserve System was being used to destroy the United States. As a just and honorable man, he could not tolerate such a system, for it smelled of corruption from A to Z. Certainly he must have known about the Greenbacks which Abraham Lincoln created when he was in office.

President Kennedy signed a presidential document, called Executive Order 11210, which further amended Executive Order 10289 of September 19th, 1951. This gave Kennedy, as President of the United States, legal clearance to create his own money to run the country, money that would belong to the people, an interest and debt free money. He had printed United States Notes, completely ignoring the Federal Reserve Notes from the private banks of the Federal Reserve.

It was perfectly obvious that Kennedy was out to undermine the Federal Reserve System of the United States.

But it was only a few months later, in November of 1963, that the world received the shocking news of President Kennedy's assassination. No reason was given, of course, for anyone wanting to commit such an atrocious crime. But for those who knew anything about money and banking, it did not take long to put the pieces of the puzzle together. For surely President Kennedy must have had it in mind to repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, and return back to the United States Congress the power to create its own money.

It is interesting to note that, only one day after Kennedy's assassination, all the United States notes which Kennedy had issued were called out of circulation. Was this through an executive order of the newly installed president, Lyndon B. Johnson? Was President Johnson afraid of the Bankers? Or was he one of their instruments? At any rate all of the money President Kennedy had created was destroyed. And not a word was said to the American people.

A Lesson To Learn

There is much that can be learned from our past history. Here we are in 1997, and the United States is still operating under the Federal Reserve System. It has already plunged our country over five trillion dollars into debt, a debt it will never be able to pay and has been responsible for every kind of corruption imaginable. Yet, barely a peep of protest can be heard from the American people.

All the Bankers have to do to keep their power is to get rid of the few politicians who are honestly working for a reform in our economic system, and the people at large remain ignorant and controlled. It is obvious the American people need to be awakened to the truth.

The population at large must be educated on the Federal Reserve, and then unite together to put pressure on the Government to get the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 repealed. Otherwise it will spell disaster for the United States.

There can be no peace without justice, and there can be no justice without a reform in our economic system, for the financiers are behind all the corruption in our Government.

Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy both had the courage to stand up for principles and to fight for justice. They have both gone down in history as being true patriots of the United States.

Taken from: http://www.freedomsend.com/mindfood/fedresrv.html

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-07   13:53:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Cynicom (#27)

--

'What John F. Kennedy Would Say To George Bush'

Kennedy was murdered, and while those in power had the means to hide the facts of who did it, history has lifted much the veil and we see clearly those who did it.

You are right in your observation, that one has but to follow the money to see who wanted John F. Kenndy dead.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-01-07   13:56:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: TwentyTwelve, Cynicom (#24)

If he didn't know, perhaps he suspected enough to make him a liability. As a former PT-109 skipper, how do you think JFK would have responded to the USS Liberty incident?

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robin  posted on  2008-01-07   13:56:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: robin (#30)

As a former PT-109 skipper, how do you think JFK would have responded to the USS Liberty incident?

Having never considered that question, I will have to think about it. It is an intriguing question to say the least.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   13:58:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Brian S (#0)

By the way, anybody know who the blonde was? His wife? Girlfriend?

Whoever it was, he seemed more interested in fleeing than in making sure she was OK.

lol

That's one angry group of protesters.

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robin  posted on  2008-01-07   13:59:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Ferret Mike (#29)

Mike...

Too bad Bush and friends cannot be forced to listen to that.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   14:01:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: robin (#32)

Let it be known that Warmonger Hannity is the first in retreat.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   14:02:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: robin (#32)

Whoever it was, he seemed more interested in fleeing than in making sure she was OK.

"Do what you want to the girl, but leave me alone!!!"

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2008-01-07   14:03:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Cynicom, aristeides (#31)

I don't think I have before either, although I'm not Irish or ex-Navy. In fact, before getting online reading blogs several years ago, I had never even heard about the USS Liberty "incident", and I was in high school at the time.

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robin  posted on  2008-01-07   14:04:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: who knows what evil, Cynicom (#35)

"Do what you want to the girl, but leave me alone!!!"

What a guy.

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robin  posted on  2008-01-07   14:05:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Cynicom (#34)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-07   14:06:59 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Cynicom (#34)

Scratch a neocon, find a coward. Just like those scratch-and-sniff cards, only more putrid.

His blonde whatever showed more guts than he did.

PSUSA  posted on  2008-01-07   14:09:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: robin (#30)

As a former PT-109 skipper, how do you think JFK would have responded to the USS Liberty incident?

I imagine old Joe Kennedy and his sons had a pretty good idea of what was really going on at Pearl Harbor.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-01-07   14:09:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Cynicom (#34)

Has Hannity said anything on the air about Ron Paul's exclusion from the debate?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-01-07   14:10:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: aristeides (#40)

Old Joe was not stupid. He was aware of who ran the country. He cashed out on Sunny Monday before Black Tuesday.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   14:12:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: robin (#36)

JimRob was actually in the Navy at the time of the attack on the USS Liberty.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-01-07   14:12:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: aristeides (#41)

Ari...

Confession..I do not watch TV or listen to talk radio. I know, that means I am uniformed about world events, but I kind of prefer it that way.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   14:13:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Brian S (#0)

"You're a great America Neocon!"

_______  posted on  2008-01-07   14:17:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Cynicom (#33)

"Too bad Bush and friends cannot be forced to listen to that."

Indeed. I would like their ugly faces rubbed in those words.

Kennedy also warned about those seeking to ride a tiger needing to take care not to be that cat's next meal in his inauguration speech. Those are words this 'president' in the White House and his crew need to mull over too.

I would love to see these bastards in orange jump suits and in chains watching a war crimes tribunal present the incontrovertible evidence of war crimes they are accountable for alone.

Bush took office with a lie. His first words were to protect, defend and serve the Constitution of the United States. He deserves to pay dearly for this.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-01-07   14:17:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Cynicom (#44)

I guess I addressed that comment to you, but I was kind of hoping somebody, anybody could answer my question.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-01-07   14:17:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: TwentyTwelve (#28)

_______  posted on  2008-01-07   14:19:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: TwentyTwelve (#28)

But it was only a few months later, in November of 1963, that the world received the shocking news of President Kennedy's assassination. No reason was given, of course, for anyone wanting to commit such an atrocious crime. But for those who knew anything about money and banking, it did not take long to put the pieces of the puzzle together. For surely President Kennedy must have had it in mind to repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, and return back to the United States Congress the power to create its own money.

It is interesting to note that, only one day after Kennedy's assassination, all the United States notes which Kennedy had issued were called out of circulation. Was this through an executive order of the newly installed president, Lyndon B. Johnson? Was President Johnson afraid of the Bankers? Or was he one of their instruments? At any rate all of the money President Kennedy had created was destroyed. And not a word was said to the American people.

That is one of the key points people need to get.

It is the Banksters, and their Psychiatrists, who are the "New World Order". Whether you call them the Alpha Plutocrats, Banking Cartel, or Psychotics it is all the same.

The reason Kennedy was killed was, despite his faults, he was loyal to the United States not the Banking Cartel so they killed him.

It may be apocryphal but a few days before he was whacked by the Bankers/CIA/Oil Barons (The Oil Barons are owned by the Bankers and frequently are one in the same.) Kennedy is quoted to have said, following a talk at Harvard, "I have just learned of a great conspiracy and I must inform the American People". A few days later he was dead. Johnson was a Sociopath who was wholly owned by the Machine that put him into office - that's how he earned the nickname "Landslide Lyndon" because having lost the (s)Election for the Congress magically just enough votes appeared to put him over the top by a handful of votes.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-07   14:27:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Brian S (#0)

I keep hoping Vannity will contract a case of "Lead Poisoning", but so far no luck.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-07   14:29:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Original_Intent (#49)

Have you ever read any books by Frank Caro about Johnson???

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   14:30:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Original_Intent (#49)

The reason Kennedy was killed was, despite his faults, he was loyal to the United States not the Banking Cartel so they killed him.

Just like Lincoln.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-07   14:32:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Cynicom (#51)

Have you ever read any books by Frank Caro about Johnson???

No, I haven't. One of the problems with being a generalist I never have the time to read everything.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-07   14:33:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Original_Intent (#53)

OI....

To enhance your vision of LBJ, when you have time, google lyndon johnson or frank caro and the term..jumbo...

You will find it most descriptive an a perfect picture of the slime.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   14:38:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Arete, lodwick (#0)

The People appear to be getting a bit more perturbed.

Dukie  posted on  2008-01-07   14:39:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Dukie (#55)

The natives are becoming restless.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   14:40:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Ferret Mike, All (#46)

Ron Paul Promises Nothing

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-07   14:41:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Cynicom (#51)

It should be about time for the next (fourth) volume of Caro's biography of LBJ to appear. Any word on when it is coming out?

(He was planning to have it be the final volume, which would mean it would have to cover LBJ's vice-presidency, presidency, and post-presidency. I strongly suspect that would end up requiring at least two volumes, hower.)

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-01-07   14:46:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: aristeides (#58)

Ari...

The first two books about Johnson were really more than I cared to know.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   14:47:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: TwentyTwelve (#52)

The reason Kennedy was killed was, despite his faults, he was loyal to the United States not the Banking Cartel so they killed him.

Just like Lincoln.

Highly likely. Lincoln is greatly misunderstood by both his supporters and detractors. Lincoln was brilliant and he realized, I believe, that the Civil War was a war manufactured by interests who wanted to fractionate the United States.

There was a British Army in the North in Canada, and a Spanish Armada in the South ready to pounce and finish the disemberment of the United States had the South prevailed in breaking the Union in two. It is not that the South did not have valid concerns but that they could have been worked out short of war. The war was agitated, I believe, by foreign interests i.e., the Rothschilds. When the Union Forces prevailed and Lincoln still had a great Army of battle hardened veterans in the field they were staved off as to attack then would have been suicidal - for them.

The Rothschild family, like the unholy bloodsuckers they emulate, have grown fat and bloated on the blood of innocents. It is they and a handful of others of like mind (Rockefeller, Warburg, Brown, Harriman et. al., ...) who agitate, corrupt, and create the chaotic conditions and bloodshed upon which they feed.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-07   14:51:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Cynicom (#56)

Why, yes that too. I particularly liked the snowballs, which if I recall my history correctly, played a part in the incident known as the "Boston Massacre" in 1770.

We have Chris "Hardball" Matthews, and now Sean "snowballs" Hannity.

Dukie  posted on  2008-01-07   14:52:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Cynicom (#54)

Thank you I will do that. Thinking further about it I do recall Frank Caro. The problem with being a voracious reader that sometimes I don't catalog or make connections until I under pressure to do so. That is one of the reasons I like Internet forums - it forces me to think and make connections.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-07   14:54:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Cynicom (#61)

snowballs

Make that: Sean snoballs Hannity

Dukie  posted on  2008-01-07   14:56:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Original_Intent (#60)

In a comment made to a Columbia University class on Nov. 12, 1963, ten days before his assassination, President John Fitzgerald Kennedy allegedly said:

"The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom and before I leave office, I must inform the citizen of this plight."

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-07   15:08:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Original_Intent (#60)

"Another overlooked aspect of Kennedy's attempt to reform American society involves money. Kennedy apparently reasoned that by returning to the constitution, which states that only Congress shall coin and regulate money, the soaring national debt could be reduced by not paying interest to the bankers of the Federal Reserve System, who print paper money then loan it to the government at interest. He moved in this area on June 4, 1963, by signing Executive Order 11110 which called for the issuance of $4,292,893,815 in United States Notes through the U.S. Treasury rather than the traditional Federal Reserve System. That same day, Kennedy signed a bill changing the backing of one and two dollar bills from silver to gold, adding strength to the weakened U.S. currency.

Kennedy's comptroller of the currency, James J. Saxon, had been at odds with the powerful Federal Reserve Board for some time, encouraging broader investment and lending powers for banks that were not part of the Federal Reserve system. Saxon also had decided that non-Reserve banks could underwrite state and local general obligation bonds, again weakening the dominant Federal Reserve banks".

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-07   15:10:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Cynicom (#59)

Caro's third volume was the best book I've ever read on how the Senate works.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-01-07   15:11:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: TwentyTwelve (#64)

"The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom"

JFK said that? Hard to imagine what president he could have been talking about. Ike, Truman, FDR all seem unlikely, for various reasons.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-01-07   15:13:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Dukie (#61)

Another Boston snowball half-blinded the historian Prescott.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-01-07   15:14:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Cynicom (#56)

--

Barry Goldwater Jr tells Megyn Kelly of Faux news why Paul deserved to be part of the Fox Presidential forum.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-01-07   15:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Ferret Mike (#69)

Fox is in your face as usual, we will do whatever the hell we want and Americans be damned.

The "lady" shows her stupidity.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   15:26:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Cynicom (#70)

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-01-07   15:27:50 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: aristeides, TwentyTwelve (#67)

"The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom"

JFK said that? Hard to imagine what president he could have been talking about. Ike, Truman, FDR all seem unlikely, for various reasons.

FDR was tied into the New York Mob Families - that is how he became the Governor of New York - where he then double crossed the Mob. So, how could he do that without powerful backing? The Mob and the Irish Gangs basically ran New York.

Truman was a Machine Politician and was controlled by Boss Pendergrast from the time he first ran for office till the time he retired. He was again a wholly owned operative who did what he was told under threat of "or else".

I know less about Ike as I have not dug into his background other than what I learned reading about Patton. Patton opposed the Death Camps that were set up AFTER WWII to liquidate the German POWs and IKE supported them. About 8 million Germans were "liquidated" in the aftermath of WWII. The Nuremburg Trials were Show Trials little different from Stalin's Show Trials. Albert Speer had his balls crushed to extract his confession. Prisoners were routinely tortured and I recall one German General (name eludes me at the moment) who signed a confession written in English when he was known only to speak German.

Which one? All of them of course.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-07   15:31:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: TwentyTwelve (#64)

Thank you for the correction. I was flying from memory.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-07   15:32:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Original_Intent (#72)

The charge might be true, but would JFK have made it?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-01-07   15:33:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: aristeides (#74)

I don't know - that is why I said "apocryphal".

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-07   15:45:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: aristeides (#67)

JFK said that?

Verified on Google here:

www.maxexchange.com/ybj/chapter10.htm

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-01-07   15:55:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: aristeides (#67)

Hard to imagine what president he could have been talking about. Ike, Truman, FDR all seem unlikely, for various reasons.

Could he have been referencing the bankruptcy of 1933 of which Ohio Rep Trafficant spoke in 1993 on the House floor: Trafficant Speech

Dukie  posted on  2008-01-07   16:56:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: TwentyTwelve (#28)

No United States president since Abraham Lincoln dared to go against the system and create his own money, as many of these so called elected presidents were actually only instruments or puppets of the Bankers. That is until President John F Kennedy came into Office.

Just when I thought I knew everything...

This Tag Line Also For Rent (M, 40, BC)

wudidiz  posted on  2008-01-07   20:28:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Ferret Mike, Cynicom, TwentyTwelve, ALL (#29)

...history has lifted much the veil and we see clearly those who did it.

John F Kennedy Assassination Secret Service Stand Down

This Tag Line Also For Rent (M, 40, BC)

wudidiz  posted on  2008-01-07   20:39:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Cynicom (#7)

Sorry state this country is in when the citizens have to resort to street action.

It is very pleasant to see the 1st amendment being exercised boldly and aggressively for a change. :)

Tag Line For Rent    (M, 48, NY)

Critter  posted on  2008-01-07   20:41:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Ferret Mike (#14)

Communism is the government controlling business, and fascism is business controlling the government. Both states of affairs are poison.

To quote Scott Chase, "I love the way he put it!"

Tag Line For Rent    (M, 48, NY)

Critter  posted on  2008-01-07   20:44:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Critter (#80)

Just perhaps someone will decide to take matters in their own hands. When that happens the government will then get to use all those laws to instill fear in Americans.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   20:46:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Cynicom (#34)

Let it be known that Warmonger Hannity is the first in retreat.

Cut and Run.

"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5

orangedog  posted on  2008-01-07   20:48:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Ferret Mike (#69)

What a c-word she is, huh? I'd have to bitch slap her if I ever found myself in the same room with her.

Tag Line For Rent    (M, 48, NY)

Critter  posted on  2008-01-07   21:00:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Cynicom (#82)

When that happens the government will then get to use all those laws to instill fear in Americans.

There are probably 20 million militias of one in this country just itching for the bad guys to make their play.

Tag Line For Rent    (M, 48, NY)

Critter  posted on  2008-01-07   21:02:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: iconoclast, Cynicom, Critter, Brian S (#0)

There is just something about those two flags whipping in the wind, isn't there?

buckeye  posted on  2008-01-07   21:06:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: buckeye (#86)

Until we fix this country, those flags really don't mean much to me.

Tag Line For Rent    (M, 48, NY)

Critter  posted on  2008-01-07   21:11:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Original_Intent (#72)

I know less about Ike as I have not dug into his background other than what I learned reading about Patton. Patton opposed the Death Camps that were set up AFTER WWII to liquidate the German POWs and IKE supported them. About 8 million Germans were "liquidated" in the aftermath of WWII. The Nuremburg Trials were Show Trials little different from Stalin's Show Trials. Albert Speer had his balls crushed to extract his confession. Prisoners were routinely tortured and I recall one German General (name eludes me at the moment) who signed a confession written in English when he was known only to speak German.

I didn't know about the Death Camps and 8 Million German POW's being murdered there after the war. Do you recall which books you read which revealed this scandal - and Ike approved the idea. What a horrid man!

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-07   21:37:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: scrapper2 (#88)

Operation Keelhaul...

Eisenhower was glad hander from day one of his military life. After West Point he latched onto General Fox Connor and used him to further his career into the right jobs.

Eisenhower was always junior to Patton until WW2 when he leaped over Patton and dozens of others, thanks to Marshall and Baruch.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   21:44:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: TwentyTwelve (#52)

Just like Lincoln.

Oh my.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-01-07   21:48:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Original_Intent (#49)

IMO, prior to the Decider, LBJ, FDR, and St. Abe were in a dead heat for worst all-time President.

No contest anymore.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-01-07   22:08:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: iconoclast (#91)

I'm hoping Dubya's place in history will be established as "the man who destroyed the Republican Party". As of now I'm thinking that's pretty likely.

Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2008-01-07   22:12:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Cynicom (#89)

Operation Keelhaul...

Eisenhower was glad hander from day one of his military life. After West Point he latched onto General Fox Connor and used him to further his career into the right jobs.

Eisenhower was always junior to Patton until WW2 when he leaped over Patton and dozens of others, thanks to Marshall and Baruch.

Thanks, cyni. The more I learn about certain Presidents the more I am disillusioned. The good guys get snuffed or passed over and the evil ones win. In recent elections the choices we've had for Presidential candidates have been between evil or more evil. I really hope that once RP goes as far as he can go with the neoconTrotskyite GOP, that he considers runnning as an Independent 3rd Party. We really really need him in the White House. The mainstream sh*t that are running in the GOP/Dem are all scary or not very interesting. The GOP guys we know to be knaves and scoundrels but the Dems are just as bad in slightly different ways. When I watched the tail end of the Dem debate, I thought to myself - my God, there's slimey but very smart Edwards then there's the PTB annointed hormonal shrill Hillary, and jovial but not too smart Richardson, and finally there was Obama with his goofy glazed eyes saying nothing for fear of saying something that would spoil his astonishing popularity - I have no idea why people rave about Obama - he does not impress me whatsoever - he's very polite and seemingly sweet but anytime he opens his mouth I wonder how did this guy get accepted into Harvard??? Obama projects a bit of the Richardson pleasant but not too intellectually swift aura.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-07   22:15:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Elliott Jackalope (#92)

Having arrived with FDR, in my opinion, Bush has done more to destroy this country than any other.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   22:15:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: TwentyTwelve (#65)

Another overlooked aspect of Kennedy's attempt to reform American society involves money.

And don't forget the other overlooked aspect of Kennedy was that he wanted to treat Israel ( aka Precioussssss)as a separate nation from us and a nation which needed to abide by UN rules - nuclear inspections. Kennedy's AmericaFirst approach to T.H.E. thug state was not very popular in certain quarters.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-07   22:19:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Cynicom (#94)

Having arrived with FDR, in my opinion, Bush has done more to destroy this country than any other.

Oh, if you go to FRetard City, their vote is Lincoln. George Bush, and his father, are fascist fuckwads, and Obama is going to put the kid in jail.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-07   22:20:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: scrapper2 (#93)

In recent elections the choices we've had for Presidential candidates have been between evil or more evil

Sad but it is only too true.

My first clue that there was only one party was in the 1940s when Ike was offered the candidacy by the power brokers of both "parties".

Primaries??? Thats for the little people.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   22:21:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Cynicom (#89)

Eisenhower was always junior to Patton until WW2 when he leaped over Patton and dozens of others, thanks to Marshall and Baruch.

Patton was a magnificent warrior. My uncle served under and worshipped him.

But, IMHO, he was about half a head job. Eisenhower was one hell of an executive and leader of men. Not always, but ofttimes, the cream rises to the top.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-01-07   22:25:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: iconoclast (#98)

Not always, but ofttimes, the cream rises to the top.

Ike was a mixed bag when it comes to history. As I grew older and delved more into his life there were many facets that MSM had never passed on for whatever reason.

I say mixed because,he used the system for his own advancement at others expense, but then as he retired as President he blew the whistle on the MIC which opened the eyes of a great deal of Americans. For that I give him great credit.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   22:31:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: iconoclast (#98)

Patton was a magnificent warrior. My uncle served under and worshipped him.

But, IMHO, he was about half a head job. Eisenhower was one hell of an executive and leader of men. Not always, but ofttimes, the cream rises to the top.

You nailed it.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-07   22:32:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Mekons4 (#96)

Oh, if you go to FRetard City, their vote is Lincoln. George Bush, and his father, are fascist fuckwads, and Obama is going to put the kid in jail.

What makes you think Obama will do any of the sort? I saw Obama on the Dem debate this weekend. He did not impress me whatsoever with his milquetoast say nothing meaningful approach. I don't understand why people are caught up with the guy. He seems the younger and skinnier preppier version of the nice but not too smart Bill Richardson. Of all the Dem candidates - though I can't stand him because he's a slimey trial lawyer - John Edwards is by far the smartest and the smoothest and frankly the most all- American looking of the lot.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-07   22:34:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: iconoclast (#98)

Off topic, Patton...

I had an Uncle that was in a Third Army infantry div with Patton. He was the oldest private in the div, only the first shirt and CO were older. He had been drafted two weeks before his 39th birthday. Before his death he told me how difficult it was for him to keep up with the teenagers as they followed Patton across Europe. Then he floored me with, "I never once fired my rifle", when the kids ran, I ran, when they hit the dirt I hit the dirt".

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   22:36:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: scrapper2 (#101)

He seems the younger and skinnier preppier version of the nice but not too smart Bill Richardson.

Yeah, Harvard Law grads are all stupid morons. Jesus, you are just ridiculous. Go vote Repuke, and get what you deserve.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-07   22:39:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Mekons4 (#103)

Yeah, Harvard Law grads are all stupid morons.

Do they have some secret curriculum that requires greater intelligence???

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   22:41:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: who knows what evil (#1)

oops! i just posted a thread on this. sorry! i loved it. lmao!

BrentFromCanada  posted on  2008-01-07   22:47:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Cynicom (#104)

Do they have some secret curriculum that requires greater intelligence???

No, they only take very intelligent people. Other law schools will take anyone with the money. Ann Coulter and UMich comes to mind.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-07   22:48:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Mekons4 (#106)

No, they only take very intelligent people.

Is that right???

I always thought that Harvard mostly tended to take those with an "in", guess I was wrong.

Question...Do their grads exhibit a higher percentage passing their bar exam vs run of the mill students at other schools?

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   22:52:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Mekons4, Cynicom (#103)

scrapper: He seems the younger and skinnier preppier version of the nice but not too smart Bill Richardson.

Mekons4:Yeah, Harvard Law grads are all stupid morons. Jesus, you are just ridiculous. Go vote Repuke, and get what you deserve.

Why would I be so naive to think you could or would reply in any fashion other than your signature Dembot apparatchik self?

Actually on another thread I had posted the following message which reveals that I am just as hard on the mainstream "repukes" as you call them as I am to the Dem dimwits. Btw, not all Harvard Law School applicants are accepted based on their stellar LSAT scores and undergraduate grades. You probably know this but you can never miss an opportunity to be rude to anyone not in lockstep with your uber left wing perspectives.

Here's my post from the other thread:

"Thanks, cyni. The more I learn about certain Presidents the more I am disillusioned. The good guys get snuffed or passed over and the evil ones win. In recent elections the choices we've had for Presidential candidates have been between evil or more evil. I really hope that once RP goes as far as he can go with the neoconTrotskyite GOP, that he considers runnning as an Independent 3rd Party. We really really need him in the White House. The mainstream sh*t that are running in the GOP/Dem are all scary or not very interesting. The GOP guys we know to be knaves and scoundrels but the Dems are just as bad in slightly different ways. When I watched the tail end of the Dem debate, I thought to myself - my God, there's slimey but very smart Edwards then there's the PTB annointed hormonal shrill Hillary, and jovial but not too smart Richardson, and finally there was Obama with his goofy glazed eyes saying nothing for fear of saying something that would spoil his astonishing popularity - I have no idea why people rave about Obama - he does not impress me whatsoever - he's very polite and seemingly sweet but anytime he opens his mouth I wonder how did this guy get accepted into Harvard??? Obama projects a bit of the Richardson pleasant but not too intellectually swift aura. "

scrapper2 posted on 2008-01-07 22:15:21 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-07   22:54:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: BrentFromCanada (#105)

The more, the merrier!

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2008-01-07   22:57:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: BrentFromCanada (#105)

Speaking of mobs; have you seen the one surrounding Anderson Cooper on CNN tonight? They are LIVE from Manchester, and Paul supporters have them encircled with HUGE Ron Paul signs.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2008-01-07   22:59:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Original_Intent, aristeides, TwentyTwelve (#72)

About 8 million Germans were "liquidated" in the aftermath of WWII. The Nuremburg Trials were Show Trials little different from Stalin's Show Trials. Albert Speer

That's a remarkable statement.

I am not saying its untrue, I have not been exposed to it before.

Can you point me in a direction to educate myself on the issue

We humans must love bloody catastrophes because we cause them so frequently.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2008-01-07   23:05:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Elliott Jackalope (#92)

I'm hoping Dubya's place in history will be established as "the man who destroyed the Republican Party". As of now I'm thinking that's pretty likely.

We have cause to hope.

The shadow government tho is the real enemy.

They are not going away silently.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2008-01-07   23:09:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Cynicom (#99)

s he retired as President he blew the whistle on the MIC which opened the eyes of a great deal of Americans. For that I give him great credit.

Yes.

Did anybody but you and I listen?

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2008-01-07   23:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Cynicom (#107)

Enjoy

First-Tier Law Schools

1 Harvard Law School

2 Stanford Law School 2 Yale Law School

4 Columbia Law School 4 NYU School of Law 4 University of Chicago Law School

7 UC Berkeley School of Law 7 Cornell Law School 7 Georgetown University Law Center 7 Northwestern University School of Law 7 University of Michigan Law School 7 University of Pennsylvania Law School 7 University of Virginia School of Law

14 Duke University School of Law 14 UCLA School of Law 14 University of Minnesota Law School 14 University of Southern California Law School 14 University of Texas School of Law

19 Boston College Law School 19 Boston University School of Law 19 George Washington University Law School 19 University of Illinois College of Law 19 Vanderbilt University Law School 19 Washington and Lee University School of Law

25 Carolina Law (UNC) 25 Emory University School of Law 25 Fordham University Law School 25 Notre Dame Law School 25 University of Iowa College of Law 25 Washington University School of Law

31 University of Georgia School of Law 31 University of Washington School of Law 31 University of Wisconsin Law School 31 William and Mary School of Law

35 George Mason School of Law 35 Ohio State University College of Law 35 Tulane Law School 35 UC Davis School of Law 35 UC Hastings College of Law 35 Wake Forest University School of Law

41 Baylor University Law School 41 BYU, J. Reuben Clark Law School 41 Indiana U. School of Law--Bloomington 41 University of Arizona College of Law 41 University of Connecticut School of Law 41 University of Florida Levin College of Law 41 University of Maryland School of Law

48 American Univ., Washington College of Law 48 Arizona State University College of Law 48 Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law (Yeshiva) 48 Case Western Reserve U. School of Law 48 University of Alabama School of Law 48 University of Cincinnati College of Law 48 University of Colorado School of Law 48 University of Miami School of Law 48 University of Pittsburgh School of Law 48 University of Tennessee College of Law 48 University of Utah College of Law

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-07   23:11:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: tom007 (#113)

tom...

You have those sights and sounds in your mind from the past that you can vividly recall???

I recall Ikes address, half listening and watching and when those words poured out I was astounded. I can still see and hear that in my mind.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   23:13:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: tom007 (#111)

That's a remarkable statement.

And an idiotic one. Stormfront says this shit all the time, implying that Jews killed them.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-07   23:14:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Mekons4 (#114)

What am I to gather from all of that other than you did manage to learn to cut and paste in law school?

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   23:15:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Mekons4 (#116)

What Nazi Jew was found guilty at Nuremburg of war crimes and got eight years?????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   23:18:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Cynicom (#117)

Um, that Barack Obama graduated from a better school than, say, Ann Coulter did? Snicker. You are really going to pump up your game.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-07   23:20:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Mekons4 (#119)

Mek...

Really, you should engage a brain before you type. You often embarrass yourself.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   23:21:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Cynicom (#118)

What Nazi Jew was found guilty at Nuremburg of war crimes and got eight years?????

Oh, you mean a collaborator named Feldstein or something? What is your point? Jews caused the holocaust? Nut.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-07   23:24:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Cynicom (#115)

You have those sights and sounds in your mind from the past that you can vividly recall???

Not exactly. From the internet a few years ago.

My earliest TV memories worth remembering (outside of The Flintstones) were the Mc Carthy hearings when I must have been six.

But it is easy to see that Eisenhor (sp) was serious in what he was trying to tell the American people, and we ignored him at our peril.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2008-01-07   23:25:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Cynicom (#120)

ou often embarrass yourself.

Since I am usually right and you are almost always wrong, that's pretty amusing.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-07   23:25:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Mekons4 (#121)

And an idiotic one. Stormfront says this shit all the time, And an idiotic one. Stormfront says this shit all the time, implying that Jews killed them.

Mek... It seems you cannot even remember what you wrote a few minutes ago.

"implying that Jews killed them"

Did you write it or not???

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   23:27:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Cynicom (#124)

hahaha, you really are a little bitty nazi, aren't you? One collaborator does not mean that the Jews killed themselves. You really should go back to Germany. Although they would put you in jail.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-07   23:31:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: Cynicom, Mekons4 (#117)

What am I to gather from all of that other than you did manage to learn to cut and paste in law school?

Mekons is not an attorney. He cut and pasted from rankings of law schools from US News & World Report or from Princeton Review.

Every law school including Harvard sets aside a quota for Affirmative Action applicants. In fact there was a research article published by a UCLA professor that studied some of the negative unintended consequences of affirmation action practised by elite law schools like Harvard and Stanford et al. Mekons is trying to avoid a discussion of the obvious. If you want to pursue this further, please cut and paste the following url - lots of embedded links.

blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/08...ive-action-at-law-school- actually-hurting-minorities/

Also there were remarks by a Harvard Law School student who attended at the same time that Obama did at Vdare - and the observations on the conundrum Obama faced perhaps not being black enough and how he remedied the problem. Observations on what is revealed in Obama's book too - shallow comes to mind. It's laughable to pretend that Obama is a genius because he attended Harvard Law School. Come on.

blog.vdare.com/archives/2...chool-affirmative-action/

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-07   23:33:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Mekons4 (#125)

One collaborator

Showing your shallow intellectual nature again. The war crimes criminal was a part of the German government from start to finish and you let your own hatred and bias blind you from learning anything.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   23:33:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Mekons4 (#119)

Um, that Barack Obama graduated from a better school than, say, Ann Coulter did? Snicker.

Law schools generally attract assholes and those who are hungry for power, regardless of how expensive the tuition.

"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5

orangedog  posted on  2008-01-07   23:34:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: scrapper2 (#126)

Mek has demonstrated his wares here before and in spite of our best efforts he has learned nothing.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   23:35:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: Cynicom (#127)

howing your shallow intellectual nature again. The war crimes criminal was a part of the German government from start to finish and you let your own hatred and bias blind you from learning anything.

Not going to back up your total bullshit, are you? Pathetic. Worthless. Ignorant. That's you, for starters.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-07   23:39:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: orangedog (#128)

Law schools generally attract assholes and those who are hungry for power, regardless of how expensive the tuition.

Um, note that Obama took a job after law school that paid $25K a year, when he was offered jobs on Wall St. that paid 10 times that. Ignorant.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-07   23:41:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Mekons4 (#130)

Learn that in college??? Great.

Manners 101 was a bust huh?

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   23:44:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: Mekons4 (#131)

Um, note that Obama took a job after law school that paid $25K a year, when he was offered jobs on Wall St. that paid 10 times that.

And now he wants a job that gives him control of homeland security and the nuclear launch codes. Nope...no power there to lust after.

Ignorant.

Cunt.

"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5

orangedog  posted on  2008-01-07   23:45:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: Cynicom (#132)

Going to continue to avoid your statement that Harvard Law School is a bad school and no one there gets through the bar exam? Just keep ducking. And at least I didn't call you a redneck cocksucker baby raper, like someone called me. Apart from the redneck...I think it was Cook County cocksucker liberal motherfucker, IIRC.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-07   23:50:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Mekons4 (#116)

Stormfront says this shit all the time, implying that Jews killed them.

Could they have had a motive?

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2008-01-07   23:50:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: christine, lodwick, dakmar, critter, Arator, robin, BrianS, peppa, Zipporah, wbales, Twentytwelve, FOH, Itisa1mosttoolate, richard9151, FormerLurker, cynicom, ALL!!! (#132)

Bulletin: On the Tonight Show; Jay Leno just dissed FOX but good for excluding Ron Paul from the debate Sunday night. Carry on.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2008-01-07   23:51:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: Mekons4 (#131)

Um, note that Obama took a job after law school that paid $25K a year, when he was offered jobs on Wall St. that paid 10 times that. Ignorant.

Perhaps Obama recognized his intellectual limitations at the time. Better to work at a job one can handle than risk being revealed as an AA empty suit at a high powered Wall Street law firm.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-07   23:52:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: who knows what evil (#136)

Bulletin: On the Tonight Show; Jay Leno just dissed FOX but good for excluding Ron Paul from the debate Sunday night. Carry on.

So there is a little good news.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2008-01-07   23:52:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: orangedog (#133)

Cunt.

So of course everyone who runs for president is power mad, psycho, Dr. Strangelove? Go ahead, tell me why YOUR candidate is not. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-07   23:53:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: scrapper2 (#137)

Perhaps Obama recognized his intellectual limitations at the time. Better to work at a job one can handle than risk being revealed as an AA empty suit at a high powered Wall Street law firm.

Perhaps he wanted to do some good in this world instead of cashing in. But of course, that would never occur to you, would it? That is not part of your makeup.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-07   23:54:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: Mekons4 (#140) (Edited)

Perhaps he wanted to do some good in this world

Do good???

Did you note he wants to continue the war in the ME?????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-07   23:57:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: tom007 (#138)

Paul is coming on to discuss the FOX censorship...nine million viewers the night before NH votes. Sweet.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2008-01-07   23:57:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: Mekons4 (#139)

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Whore, go home and wash out your beaver.

"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5

orangedog  posted on  2008-01-07   23:58:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: who knows what evil (#142)

Paul is coming on to discuss the FOX censorship...nine million viewers the night before NH votes. Sweet.

Sweet indeed.

Where?

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2008-01-07   23:58:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: who knows what evil (#142)

I bet he will say he would accept none of the others as VP....

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-08   0:04:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: Cynicom (#141)

Did you note he wants to continue the war in the ME?????

Oh, bullshit. The Repukes want to continue it. He said, it will take at least six months to withdraw without it turning into a bloodbath. Do you seriously think we can say on Jan. 20, withdraw the troops and get it done by Jan. 21? If so, you are not thinking straight.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-08   0:07:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: orangedog (#143)

Whore, go home and wash out your beaver.

While I love flame wars, that is too stupid to respond to. Can you do better?

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-08   0:09:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: Mekons4 (#146)

Hillary says we will stay in ME until 2011...You of course support that?

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-08   0:17:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: who knows what evil (#142)

very good interview! love RP's sense of humor and jay's no holds barred questions. he told RP he needed to kick some ass. hehehe. you can tell that leno likes RP.

christine  posted on  2008-01-08   0:18:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: christine (#149)

You note he will not have any of the others for VP????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-08   0:20:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Cynicom (#148)

Hillary says we will stay in ME until 2011...You of course support that?

Um, why would you think that. Oh, right, you're stupid.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-08   0:21:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: Mekons4 (#151)

Mek...

No manners at all. Have you learned nothing about social behavior?

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-08   0:24:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: christine (#149)

Amazing!!! It was classic when Jay told Ron that he should be looking to kick someone's ass...Hannity, Chris Wallace; I'm not choosy.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2008-01-08   0:25:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: Cynicom (#152)

Well, since I got called a commie cocksucker, a cunt and much, much more, I think I'm doing fine.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-08   0:26:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: Mekons4 (#154)

By me???? I dont think so.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-08   0:27:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: Mekons4 (#140)

scrapper: Perhaps Obama recognized his intellectual limitations at the time. Better to work at a job one can handle than risk being revealed as an AA empty suit at a high powered Wall Street law firm.

Mekons4: Perhaps he wanted to do some good in this world instead of cashing in. But of course, that would never occur to you, would it? That is not part of your makeup.

You know my "makeup?" What a laugh. You know nothing about me.

Obama went to Harvard Law School. He went for a caché degree and it was not because Obama "wanted to do some good in this world." blubber, blubber...sheesh, give me a break!

You should have done your usual disappearing act right you insulted me and quit then. In your attempt to spin Obama into something he isn't, you are sounding sillier with every subsequent post.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-08   0:28:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: who knows what evil (#153)

Olbermann had a cleaned up clip of Hannity being chased down the street. But Chris Wallace and OReally should be beaten like a rented donkey.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-08   0:28:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: Mekons4 (#157)

Suits me.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2008-01-08   0:32:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: scrapper2 (#156)

Snicker. Do you even know what cache means? You might have meant cachet, but that isn't right either. Maybe boutique? Learn to write and then come back.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-08   0:34:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: scrapper2 (#156)

You should have done your usual disappearing act right you insulted me and quit then.

Clearly false. Like everything you say.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-08   0:36:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: Mekons4 (#159)

Snicker. Do you even know what cache means? You might have meant cachet, but that isn't right either. Maybe boutique? Learn to write and then come back.

Oh goody - you caught me in a spelling error. Again. It's either a spelling or grammar error that you find in a post and then you hug yourself to death for such a marvellous "empty" observation.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-08   0:45:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: scrapper2 (#161)

You made the point of putting the accent ague on the e, so you clearly thought it was the right word. Not a typo.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-08   0:47:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: Mekons4 (#162)

You made the point of putting the accent ague on the e, so you clearly thought it was the right word. Not a typo.

Are you totally nuts? I took French language in high school and French literature in college - I know the meaning of caché, thank you very much. I frequently use French words in my posts without thinking - it's part of my language memory file - since you are unilingual (no doubt) you don't understand what happens when a person is bilingual. Pathways are shared by 2 different languages and they sometimes insert themselves at a time when you are writing in the other. But why am I am even attempting to explain bilingualism to a clod like yourself.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-08   1:04:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: scrapper2 (#163)

Snicker, I took French too, and you used a word that means NOTHING. It means a secret spot in French and a hiding place in English. So, you know, stop putting on airs, missy.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-08   1:06:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: Mekons4 (#164)

Snicker, I took French too, and you used a word that means NOTHING. It means a secret spot in French and a hiding place in English. So, you know, stop putting on airs, missy.

So what's the point of your giant-brained revelation? I gave you my explanation of why I used caché instead of cachet - I was writing in English but my French crowded into my thoughts - it happens when people are bilingual. I seriously doubt you ever took French formally. You strike me as a public school English only perhaps a couple of years of Spanish in high school kind of guy. I'd wager you learned a bit of French in the course of a cheezy woman chasing vacation to a French speaking former colony.

But no matter how much you try to make of my French slip of a word, you still have not responded to what I said in rebuttal to your ridiculous notion that Obama went to Harvard Law School so he could end up at mediocre $25,000 a year attorney position "to help people." hahaha. Rigghhhtt...Obama Mother Teresa, that's him to a "t." If Obama just wanted to "help people" he could have attended his local yokel state law school.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-08   1:27:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: scrapper2 (#165)

Wow, you are a vicious little elitist tramp, aren't you? I guess you took French in some elite academy or some shit. Cachet is still the wrong word, in French or English, so if you think you took French and understand it, you're wrong. Cachet is a noun, not an adjective, in either language.

As for your criticism of Obama, he was offered a HUGE job on Wall St. and instead chose to return to community activism, for about $25 K. Like it or not, that is what he did. He was also a constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago Law School, not a bad one.

You really need to take some downers. It will help you. It must suck being wrong about so many things at the same time.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

Mekons4  posted on  2008-01-08   1:38:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: Mekons4 (#166)

Wow, you are a vicious little elitist tramp, aren't you? I guess you took French in some elite academy or some shit. Cachet is still the wrong word, in French or English, so if you think you took French and understand it, you're wrong. Cachet is a noun, not an adjective, in either language.

Oh my - is that jealousy, envy, bitterness I'm seeing in our forum's token socialist? Eat your heart out, comrade.

As a matter of fact, though cachet is a noun, in everyday parlance it is commonly used as an adjective - cachet degree, cachet neighborhood, etc. So bugger off with your parsing of word usage to avoid properly responding to the obvious.

Obama is an affirmative action Harvard Law school graduate. He stood on his head to be more black to get accepted there. Now he's the token almost black but white enough PC candidate for the Dems so they can reach out to the minority groups they lost in previous elections due to their idiotic stand on gay marriage as well as to their limousine liberal whites. That he was a law school professor means he was appointed as an AA black who managed to pass his bar exams because so many of them don't when they are accepted at elite law schools and what a good little role model he'd be as a professor for the AA law school students, yes.

Your rude obnoxious knowitall manner all the while dancing around the obvious is rather tiring. You fool no one.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-08   2:19:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: tom007 (#111)

About 8 million Germans were "liquidated" in the aftermath of WWII. The Nuremburg Trials were Show Trials little different from Stalin's Show Trials. Albert Speer

That's a remarkable statement.

I am not saying its untrue, I have not been exposed to it before.

Can you point me in a direction to educate myself on the issue

Here's a starting point: Eisenhower's German POW Death Camps - A US Guard's Story

Also you could look at the million Russians who were anti-Stalin who were foricibly repatriated after the war to be liquidated by the communists.

There is a lot of blackness to be found in WWII and not all of it was of German making.

There was also the massacre of the Katyn Forest.

History, it is said, is written by the victors, but the truth is more powerful than lies and eventually the lies collapse.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-08   3:02:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: Ferret Mike (#17)

I am deeply and systemically suspicious or everything corporate or monopolistic.

All fictions, legal or otherwise are FRAUD and pervert justice/righteousness. Corporations are a very dangerous legal fiction that gain power exponentially over time.

Whenever the people develop a system that eliminates strict "personal" liability for actions and accept limited liability through laws or insurance schemes, the lawyer vultures become the arbiters, reducing remedy to a protection racket benefitting themselves.

Governments (called States, Municipalities etc.,) are both monopolistic and corporate, therefore the most dangerous.

Your suspicions are justified by fact.

"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp

noone222  posted on  2008-01-08   3:20:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: Original_Intent (#168)

The push for a "zionist" State began long before WW II. The theft of Palestine and establishment of the zionazi fraud began prior to WW I. The 1st zionist convention occurred in 1897, at Basel, Switzerland, which was preceeded by the establishment of "Alliance Israelite Universelle" in 1887. This "TRUST" was funded ($50,000,000.00) for the purpose of placing Eastern European (Russian) Jews in America and Palestine nearly 6 decades before Hitler was used as an excuse to displace and genocide the indigenous Arabs of Palestine.

"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp

noone222  posted on  2008-01-08   3:37:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: Ferret Mike (#46)

I would love to see these bastards in orange jump suits and in chains watching a war crimes tribunal present the incontrovertible evidence of war crimes they are accountable for alone.

My preference would be a front row seat at the neck-tie party.

"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." --- Josiah Stamp

noone222  posted on  2008-01-08   4:28:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: Mekons4 (#147)

Can you do better?

Sure I can. But you don't warrant any better than a base response.

"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5

orangedog  posted on  2008-01-08   4:59:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: tom007 (#111)

Alfred de Zayas estimates two million Germans were killed in their expulsion from Eastern Europe in the period 1944-47. I've never seen anything like that eight million figure.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-01-08   7:10:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: scrapper2 (#167)

Obama is an affirmative action Harvard Law school graduate.

I don't think you get to be editor of the Harvard Law Review on the basis of affirmative action.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-01-08   7:12:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: Original_Intent (#168)

There is a lot of blackness to be found in WWII and not all of it was of German making.

Read the link, thanks.

I get into "trouble" when I ask the forbidden question "WHY"?

The answers from the accepted sources are usually false and deceiving.

"Satan / Cheney in "08" Just Foreign Policy Iraqi Death Estimator

tom007  posted on  2008-01-08   10:01:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: Elliott Jackalope (#92)

I'm hoping Dubya's place in history will be established as "the man who destroyed the Republican Party". As of now I'm thinking that's pretty likely.

From your lips to the nation's ears! ;-)

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-01-08   10:11:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: Brian S (#0)

Hannity: "The Great American".....WHORE.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx

"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2008-01-08   10:25:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: Ferret Mike (#69) (Edited)

Someone needs to stick a big ***in that blonde bitch's mouth for talking to Mr Goldwater that way and for talking to the American people that way. Swallow this bimbo.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx

"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2008-01-08   10:39:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: wudidiz, REDPANTHER (#79)

A PICTURE SPEAKS A THOUSAND WORDS PING

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx

"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2008-01-08   10:43:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: Cynicom (#99)

Ike was a mixed bag

Aren't we all?

I say mixed because,he used the system for his own advancement at others expense

?????????

He was pursued feverishly by both parties prior to his decision to run as an R. I never felt he was politically ambitious nor $ driven.

He ended the bloody Korean quagmire. (That's when WE were still the "peace party")

as he retired as President he blew the whistle on the MIC which opened the eyes of a great deal of Americans.

He retired quietly to a farm near Gettysburg.

He gave a lukewarm endorsement to slippery Dick.

He later appeared with Goldwater from his farm in a political ad for Barry.

He played golf of course, and kept his nose out of succeeding Presidents' business.

To the best of my recollection he did not retire as a gazzilionaire nor hustle for million dollar speeches after his retirement.

He was characterized as a do-nothing President (sigh, those were the good ole days). ;-)

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-01-08   10:58:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#181. To: iconoclast (#180)

Having voted for Ike, let me say this.

Do nothing??? That was a bum rap.

Ike was the President that authorized the U2 building and its flights over Russia.That took more guts than many people would ever believe. Somewhere AFTER WW2 and his presidency, he came to AGREE with Patton, the Russians were indeed our enemy and a world threat. He was not stampeded into anything, rather he made his own decisions and took responsibility for them, ie, when Powers was shot down, rather than lie as advisers wanted, Ike took personal responsibility.

Few knew that Kennedy regularly confided in Ike and I suspect there was influence to NOT invade Cuba as the CIA and military wanted.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-08   11:10:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: tom007, christine, robin, Peppa, rowdee, TwentyTwelve, FormerLurker, Wudidiz, Zipporah, Pinguinite, all (#175)

Read the link, thanks.

I get into "trouble" when I ask the forbidden question "WHY"?

The answers from the accepted sources are usually false and deceiving.

The why question is the tough one. Not because I can't answer it, to my satisfaction, but because most people do not really get the answer. Even when they nod their heads in agreement their responses and replies show that the simplicity is that it does not compute. The problem is that most people do not think the same way as do our corrupt elites. As well many people simply do not have the emotional courage to confront and see true evil.

The simplicity is that those who taken over the levers of power in our country, and in many places on our world, are insane - they are psychotics, criminals, and they act from their psychotic computations. The majority of people do not think this way and to intentionally do evil to others runs counter to their nature and thought processes. Since they don't think that way they cannot conceive that someone else would - "don't all people operate from good motives?"

So people who run into this insanity still assume that our opposition thinks in the same patterns as the majority of us - that words such as honor, decency, and good have real meaning and that is how we should behave toward others. To our corrupt and criminally insane elitists those are not simply "just words" they regard those of us who think in terms of honor, decency, reverence, compassion, etc., as weaklings for doing so. In their insane computations whatever gratifies their desires, which includes some pretty sick stuff when you dig into it - do a search on "Franklin Scandal", "Whitehouse Callboys", "Bohemian Grove" etc., ..., and that anything that they find personally gratifying, however evil or perverted, is what they do, support, and fund.

That they are insane can be measured by their works; war, famine, disease, tyranny, and death. To try look at their actions from a sane perspective results in noncomprehension. "It just happened." No, much of it did not just "happen". It was the result of computations that are not sane but do tie together by common designs which are base but simple to observe - power, money, and degraded self gratification regardless of its affects upon the lives of others..

I could expand on this more but I'll leave it there - for now.

Stay Tuned.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-01-08   14:05:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#183. To: aristeides (#174)

I don't think you get to be editor of the Harvard Law Review on the basis of affirmative action.

Think again.

"The other seven to nine are selected by a discretionary committee, either to fulfill the review's race-based affirmative action program, to select students who just missed the cut by either of the other two processes, or by some other criteria as the committee sees fit." wiki

scrapper2  posted on  2008-01-08   15:15:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#184. To: Cynicom (#181)

Ike was the President that authorized the U2 building and its flights over Russia.

And, as I recall, he immediately fully owned up to it with pretty full disclosure, unlike Booshie.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-01-08   18:36:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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