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Title: Ron Paul's Goodbye (Jeff Rense)
Source: Rense
URL Source: http://www.rense.com/general80/goodbye.htm
Published: Feb 9, 2008
Author: Jeff Rense
Post Date: 2008-02-10 17:10:32 by robin
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Ron Paul's Goodbye

By Jeff Rense
2-9-8

The real issue now is that Ron Paul is effectively out of the race ....whether he directly came out and said it or not. In his statement of thanks to his supporters (see below), he also announced he's cutting his staff way back. The message is clear. The last Ron Paul 'money bomb' showed a substantial loss of support momentum...which was/is largely the result of his complete public disassociation and denouncement of the entire 911 Truth Movement during that national 'debate' several weeks ago. That was either a bald-faced, enormous, lie to try to keep himself politically 'alive' ... OR that is HIS truth. Either way, it cost him a lot of support. We know several Ron Paul backers who dropped him at that moment... and it was reflected in the failed, subsequent fundraising. His poor showing (absolutely expected) in the primaries was the final truth his devoted supporters had to swallow: the system is totally owned and operated by the controllers. Period. Many Paulites will now walk away from this obviously, hopelessly corrupt and manipulated political charade in America...and will never look back. Some will stay. Ron announced."I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican"and will not leave the party to run as an independent. (A Paul-Kucinich ticket would have at least been FUN). WHAT Republican party?? That was a lamentable statement to read. Ron must be thinking it is still the Republican Party of the 19th century. The Republican 'party' NOW stands for the BIG LIE, it stands for CRIME and DEATH, for GENOCIDE and PERVERSION, for TAXATION and GRAFT, for the FED and FINANCIAL RAPE, for DOMESTIC SPYING and the PATRIOT ACT, ...it stands for the end of LIBERTY and of our CONSTITUTION. Above all, it now stands for Zionism and WAR. That statement alone probably ended about half of his remaining support. As we said many months ago, if he does NOT run as an independent, he will effectively put 'finis' to great portion of the majority of patriotic passion and commitment of the small, brave patriotic awakening he awakened in this rat hole political paradigm. And if the controllers are as smart as we think, they may well have orchestrated much of the 'Paul phenomena' to ultimately send the message, yet again, that 'resistance is futile!' Ron said he needs to go home to Texas and work for his re-election to the House. That's a wise decision because the enemies of freedom and the Constitution, knowing all along he never had a chance in hell of gaining the nomination, will now try to unseat him...and they can do so if it be their will. Ask Cynthia McKinney. So, even though he says he's 'still in the race' it is totally meaningless. Publicly, via his disassociation from 911 Truth, he is 'officially' standing shoulder-to-shoulder with Bush/Cheney and Zionism on 911. He had a GREAT opportunity to bring 911 Truth forward during the campaign...and chose to hide it. And, God forbid, if he really spoke HIS truth in the debate about the whole 911 issue, he is clearly, totally, disconnected from the biggest reality of our time: that 911 was an inside job. Sad to see him give it up...but it was totally predictable and comes as no surprise. For his die-hard supporters and those who cherish America's nearly vanquished past magnificence, keep at it. Work at the local level...run for office... just know that the clock is ticking and the enemies of Freedom stand all around us and often in between us. Of all the great American political leaders who sacrificed their lives for freedom, Ron chose, instead, to quote the zionist maniac killer Communist Trotsky about the 'revolution being permanent.' A strange choice. The statement could have been made without the need to acknowledge a Bolshevik madman. In any case, the 'Ron Paul Revolution' is over... now just a footnote, an asterisk, in the grim record of these darkening times. Certainly, some will endeavor to carry on his themes...something the CIA/NSA supercomputer models knew and predicted long ago. Ron Paul is a grand anachronism...a principled man out of time, as it were. He truly made a difference. And for that we owe him much.

Ron Paul - 'There Will Be
No Third Party Run'
Turns Attention To Keeping His Congressional Seat

Message from Ron Paul
2-9-8

Whoa! What a year this has been. And what achievements we have had. If I may quote Trotsky of all people, this Revolution is permanent. It will not end at the Republican convention. It will not end in November. It will not end until we have won the great battle on which we have embarked. Not because of me, but because of you. Millions of Americans -- and friends in many other countries -- have dedicated themselves to the principles of liberty: to free enterprise, limited government, sound money, no income tax, and peace. We will not falter so long as there is one restriction on our persons, our property, our civil liberties. How much I owe you. I can never possibly repay your generous donations, hard work, whole-hearted dedication and love of freedom. How blessed I am to be associated with you. Carol, of course, sends her love as well. Let me tell you my thoughts. With Romney gone, the chances of a brokered convention are nearly zero. But that does not affect my determination to fight on, in every caucus and primary remaining, and at the convention for our ideas, with just as many delegates as I can get. But with so many primaries and caucuses now over, we do not now need so big a national campaign staff, and so I am making it leaner and tighter. Of course, I am committed to fighting for our ideas within the Republican party, so there will be no third party run. I do not denigrate third parties -- just the opposite, and I have long worked to remove the ballot-access restrictions on them. But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican. I also have another priority. I have constituents in my home district that I must serve. I cannot and will not let them down. And I have another battle I must face here as well. If I were to lose the primary for my congressional seat, all our opponents would react with glee, and pretend it was a rejection of our ideas. I cannot and will not let that happen. In the presidential race and the congressional race, I need your support, as always. And I have plans to continue fighting for our ideas in politics and education that I will share with you when I can, for I will need you at my side. In the meantime, onward and upward! The neocons, the warmongers, the socialists, the advocates of inflation will be hearing much from you and me. Sincerely, Ron

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Of all the great American political leaders who sacrificed their lives for freedom, Ron chose, instead, to quote the zionist maniac killer Communist Trotsky about the 'revolution being permanent.' A strange choice. The statement could have been made without the need to acknowledge a Bolshevik madman.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   17:12:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

from a poster at godlikeproductions:

Who is Trotsky?

This was found from another site, not to be referenced to here, but this part was interesting. Can anyone decipher for those that aren't as versed in history?

Follow me closely now. When someone is kidnapped, and they are being closely watched by their captors, they TRY to get the word out. At first, to an onlooker, it doesn’t make sense what they say or do. But then, maybe, someone understands the person is in trouble and is crying out for help. Thanks to JEFF RENSE, if for nothing else, pointing out the ANOMALY of Ron Paul quoting Trotsky, whose demented brain fomented the Russian Revolution of 1917. Ron Paul would normally NEVER quote Trotsky to encourage his followers. The Revolution of Dr. Paul is not a “revolution” which sends millions to the Gulag or deliberately starves farmers in the Ukraine. GET THE PICTURE? Ron Paul is letting us know, in the only way he can, that he has been forced out. He has been threatened, and he has been elbowed out of the race by THUGS. Think-Think-Think-Think! It is so important now that we face this Government Mafia and tell America.

WE ARE UNDER SIEGE!

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   17:18:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Until I hear otherwise, I'm taking this as Ron Paul's blogger's goodbye. I hope he is fired forthwith.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-10   17:19:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So far all we have is one blogger who claims he has an email from Carol Paul that this was not written by Dr. Paul. That's not much to go on considering that message is on the front page of his campaign website as we type.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   17:20:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

WHAT Republican party?? That was a lamentable statement to read. Ron must be thinking it is still the Republican Party of the 19th century.

The Republican 'party' NOW stands for the BIG LIE, it stands for CRIME and DEATH, for GENOCIDE and PERVERSION, for TAXATION and GRAFT, for the FED and FINANCIAL RAPE, for DOMESTIC SPYING and the PATRIOT ACT, ...it stands for the end of LIBERTY and of our CONSTITUTION. Above all, it now stands for Zionism and WAR.

That statement alone probably ended about half of his remaining support.

Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-10   17:20:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The Republican 'party' NOW stands for the BIG LIE, it stands for CRIME and DEATH, for GENOCIDE and PERVERSION, for TAXATION and GRAFT, for the FED and FINANCIAL RAPE, for DOMESTIC SPYING and the PATRIOT ACT, ...it stands for the end of LIBERTY and of our CONSTITUTION. Above all, it now stands for Zionism and WAR. That statement alone probably ended about half of his remaining support.

Long live the Queen.

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   17:24:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's not much to go on considering that message is on the front page of his campaign website as we type.

I hear ya, robin. I'm taking a wait and see approach. Meanwhile it's been very interesting to see the reactions around the internet.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-10   17:24:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I said from the beginning that Pauls swan song was a total contradiction to everything he has ever said and stood for, a total contradiction.

If Paul did in fact write it, then he has pulled off the con job of the century in American politics.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   17:30:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Check post #2, which I got from godlikeproductions....

freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...gi?ArtNum=73123&Disp=2#C2

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   17:32:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Check post #2, which I got from godlikeproductions....

I did.

Recall Perot had "problems" he could never explain to anyones satisfaction?

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   17:35:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Recall Perot had "problems" he could never explain to anyones satisfaction?

Yes, I do remember.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   17:36:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm taking a wait and see approach. Meanwhile it's been very interesting to see the reactions around the internet.

I think Rense's piece if off base. I understand the Paul's were to be at a rally today, (according to the thread at the RP forum). This is apparently unacceptable in this case, and therefore is perfect timing to kneecap RP when he can't react. So what have we? Tos4?

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-10   17:37:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

One thing that does lend some measure of credence to the idea Paul was used, it is now too late for Americans/true conservatives to mount any election effort.

The stage is set as the elite prepared it for McCain and Clinton and whatever baggage they bring along.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   17:38:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

His poor showing (absolutely expected) in the primaries was the final truth his devoted supporters had to swallow: the system is totally owned and operated by the controllers. Period.

Reality is a bitch, and she lives in Washington, DC, and has since 1789. For those of you who are unaware of what that means, Washington, DC, did not exist in 1789. What this means is that the bitch lives in the Constitution, which formed Washington, DC..

There have been a number of actions over the years that tell us what is neccessary for 'them'; every action making more and more people eligiable to vote. That should tell you that all that is neccessary in 'their' system is that enough people participate to give the illusion of democracy.

I will repeat something that I have said before, constantly; the only thing that matters is local control. If you do not have control of your local area, the control of something as far away as DC is impossible. That is also the foundation of the government of God, as explained in the Bible; local control, through the family.

And as long as you permit 'them' to convince you that, somehow, through 'just one more election,' WE CAN WIN! You will continue to lose, because it focuses your attention where it does not belong. On national politics.

If this were a true republic, there would be no national races, or, national politics. That is a simple truth, and unless you begin to understand and accept that, nothing will or can change. I will also admit that it is probably to late for anything to now make a difference, expect seeing as well as possible to the welfare of your family.

And before someone argues with me about this, I would suggest that you check into the numerous Presidents of the united States that served before George the First Washington, and how they were 'elected.'

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-02-10   17:40:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Jeff Rense wrote this yesterday.

If you think we have been conspiring all along against Ron Paul's campaign then you must live on another planet.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   17:41:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think Rense's piece if off base. I understand the Paul's were to be at a rally today, (according to the thread at the RP forum). I think Rense's piece if off base. I understand the Paul's were to be at a rally today, (according to the thread at the RP forum).

Pep...

You mean for us to accept that Paul is running for President of the United States and has NO ONE minding the store????? His hired slicks are not that stupid or incompetent.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   17:41:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

IMO, the best we can hope for is Obama.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   17:42:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And before someone argues with me about this And before someone argues with me about this

richard...

Now you are joining the "revelation" gang and that gets quite boring.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   17:43:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Jeff Rense wrote this yesterday.

If you think we have been conspiring all along against Ron Paul's campaign then you must live on another planet.

I think there are many quesitonable behaviours, but the deed has been done. If Rense has not the sense to question if it was written by RP to begin with, or at least a suspicion that something was amiss, I can't say it's any more fair to give credit to Jeff, that which was not extended to Ron Paul.

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-10   17:44:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Pep...

You mean for us to accept that Paul is running for President of the United States and has NO ONE minding the store????? His hired slicks are not that stupid or incompetent.

Totally incompetent.

You're right to dump him and the history covered with blood that goes with him.

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-10   17:46:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

His last message with the Trotsky quote is STILL ON HIS CAMPAIGN WEBSITE. It was written on Feb. 8th. This is the 10th.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   17:46:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

IMO, the best we can hope for is Obama.

Wow, that was quick! :)

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-10   17:46:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

IMO, the best we can hope for is Obama.

Obama was manufactured by our ruling government, he is their Dracula.

His untold millions of dollars is not appearing out of thin air.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   17:46:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

His last message with the Trotsky quote is STILL ON HIS CAMPAIGN WEBSITE. It was written on Feb. 8th. This is the 10th.

Guess we've been had.

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-10   17:47:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You're right to dump him and the history covered with blood that goes with him.

Uhhhh, dont look now but your comprehension is showing again.....

Ron Paul WROTE the email, he dumped us. It is signed love and kisses, Ron.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   17:49:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Read post #2, perhaps RP had some outside pressure.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   17:50:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ron Paul WROTE the email, he dumped us. It is signed love and kisses, Ron.

Yep. You've no doubt got the proof. You win.

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-10   17:51:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Read post #2, perhaps RP had some outside pressure.

If I recall correctly, Perot had threats concerning a daughter or some such, he was never able to dispel the doubts that remained.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   17:51:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Read post #2, perhaps RP had some outside pressure.

Duly noted.

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-10   17:51:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So, even though he says he's 'still in the race' it is totally meaningless. Publicly, via his disassociation from 911 Truth, he is 'officially' standing shoulder-to-shoulder with Bush/Cheney and Zionism on 911.

IOW....

You're either with us, or your with the terrorists.....

It's kind of pathetic to see people getting up on their high horse and blaming Ron Paul for not winning, washing their hands as though they are perfect and if it was THEM running for prez, they would have done it right and won the election.

Suddenly, Ron Paul is garbage.

Modern day pharisee this guy is....

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-10   17:52:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Recall Perot had "problems" he could never explain to anyones satisfaction?

Yes, I do remember.

Please, I mean, really!

What no one seems to understand is that Perot's wife is a Birminghan, of the British Birminghams, and big, big, big in international banking. Which is where Perot's connections started that made him so wealthy.

'get it'?

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-02-10   17:52:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Now you are joining the "revelation" gang and that gets quite boring.

Just get your facts straight before telling me I am wrong. That is all that I ask.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-02-10   17:53:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The lesser of two or three evils is better than the worst evil. Obama strikes me as somewhat outside the system, a more Jimmy Carter type of Democrat. Others have said so too. I'm not even convinced he would be all that bad. A couple days ago I asked the question, can someone tell me why I should not support Obama, given that we are looking at McCain for the GOP nominee.

I'm a realist, and McCain would be "Bush on steroids" according to many.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   17:53:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yep. You've no doubt got the proof. You win.

Win????

Good heavens Pep, I have lost big time, you have lost, America has lost. Ron Paul was my last hope. I do not have the luxury of time to wait years for change, wait for the sheep to awaken, wait until it is too late.

Ron Paul was the last life raft leaving the Titanic and he shoved off saving himself. That is you and me standing at the rail, with nothing.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   17:56:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's kind of pathetic to see people getting up on their high horse and blaming Ron Paul for not winning,

That's not why. His last Message from Ron, besides including a Trotsky, was about how he is trimming back his campaign staff and concentrating on winning his congressional seat. He said since Romney quit, there is no hope for a brokered convention.

He basically said he quits.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   17:56:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So what have we?

I'm really trying not to read too much into all this. I already knew that the deck was stacked. I already knew that the voting machines were hacked. My big problem here is that I watched his late January message and he said he was in it until the end. He's gotten $5 million since the start of this quarter, so I don't know why he would think he isn't getting enough support, as that's what he said he required.

I really wanted a third party run to give the American people a chance to write in his name. I wanted him to outdo Perot. I figured he had a chance outside the GOP machinery.

So I'm just waiting. I don't blame you for being frustrated with the cynics. I don't blame them for being cynical, either. Rense makes a good point about the 9/11 truth movement, but if Ron Paul decided not to speak out on the issue because he wanted to hang on to normalcy, that may have only been part of his alleged undoing, not the whole thing.

About 4, the freedom to express comes with the freedom to disagree. I'm grateful for the variety of opinions.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-10   17:57:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Just get your facts straight before telling me I am wrong. That is all that I ask.

Your facts are only too correct. Nowhere did I say otherwise.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   17:57:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Jimmy Carter type of Democrat. Others have said so too.

I'll get my Obama sticker right now!

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-10   17:58:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'll get my Obama sticker right now!

Tut tut now. Lets not jump overboard into the cold water.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   18:01:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You're either with us, or your with the terrorists.....

Very interesting criticism. If you don't (hate, recognize the depth of the conspiracy, feel oppressed, or aren't disenfranchised) enough, you aren't worthy.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-10   18:01:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I never suggested that!

But in Nov., if my state looks like it is going to McCain, I will vote for Obama, if he is the nominee. Otherwise I'll vote my conscience, Constitution Party.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   18:02:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm really trying not to read too much into all this. I already knew that the deck was stacked. I already knew that the voting machines were hacked. My big problem here is that I watched his late January message and he said he was in it until the end. He's gotten $5 million since the start of this quarter, so I don't know why he would think he isn't getting enough support, as that's what he said he required.

I really wanted a third party run to give the American people a chance to write in his name. I wanted him to outdo Perot. I figured he had a chance outside the GOP machinery.

So I'm just waiting. I don't blame you for being frustrated with the cynics. I don't blame them for being cynical, either. Rense makes a good point about the 9/11 truth movement, but if Ron Paul decided not to speak out on the issue because he wanted to hang on to normalcy, that may have only been part of his alleged undoing, not the whole thing.

About 4, the freedom to express comes with the freedom to disagree. I'm grateful for the variety of opinions.

Understood.

We simply wait for the thunder.

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-10   18:03:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So I'm just waiting. I don't blame you for being frustrated with the cynics.

Whizzzzz. I dodged that zinger.

I agree with what you say. Read what richard is saying. He has the fix put in years ago and you call me a cynic????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   18:04:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Read post #2, perhaps RP had some outside pressure.

???

What more pressure is needed than looking at the current delegate count?

Or maybe the funding?

We've believed Ron has been a man of conscience all these years, never making backroom deals with other congressmen or voting for pork benefiting his own district, and now we're to consider the possibility that someone successfully applied covert pressure on Ron Paul to stop actively campaigning?

I don't see how that could be in the cards. It just does not fit the Ron Paul profile. And there's no more pressure needed than looking at the stats right now. Ron's always been a practical, realistic guy, and the stats are not in his favor in terms of winning. He's done well, better than most of the original GOP contenders.

Witch hunting is out of order here.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-10   18:04:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Constitution Party.

Only, no other. I will be watching you.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   18:05:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I never suggested that!

But in Nov., if my state looks like it is going to McCain, I will vote for Obama, if he is the nominee. Otherwise I'll vote my conscience, Constitution Party.

Mission accomplished.

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-10   18:05:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Witch hunting is out of order here.

You need to wrestle with richard then, he has the inside story.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   18:06:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ron Paul was the last life raft leaving the Titanic and he shoved off saving himself. That is you and me standing at the rail, with nothing.

Ron Paul is not saving himself. He'll have to live with the same president as the rest of the USA next year, and he certainly isn't leaving anyone in any worse shape than they were in before he declared his candidacy.

You really need to get some correct context here, Cyni!

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-10   18:08:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Both Obama and his wife are CFR members. He's just younger and appears less power-hungry than Hillary. Remember, globalism is all about hope for humanity. It's not a hateful endeavor. But some of them believe they can do cruel and otherwise evil things to accomplish their aims, because anyone standing in the way is obstructing progress toward utopia. I say they work for the same team, and the team employs the same goon squads regardless of candidate. Once they know they can use one as a puppet, all obstacles are removed one way or another.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-10   18:08:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm not suggesting a witch hunt. If he chooses to end his campaign now, I would like to hear him say that he is NOT endorsing McCain.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   18:09:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You really need to get some correct context here, Cyni!

Context?? Inferring stupidity needs no context.

richard has a revelation, you say no witch hunting, that leaves the rest of us somewhere in between.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   18:10:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I did not say Obama was a first choice, I said he is far better and safer than McCain.

He has ZBig and the Kennedys behind him.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   18:11:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Both Obama and his wife are CFR members.

buck...

Millions of dollars pouring into Obama with little effort is not manna from heaven. It was earmarked in care of Obama.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   18:13:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He basically said he quits.

I understand that, of course. He is basically shifting from an active candidate to a passive candidate, and doing it because Romney effectively withdrew from the race, greatly reducing the chance of a brokered convention. Since a BC is (was) the only hope of Ron getting the nomination, then no BC = no victory. Ergo, he's shifting gears accordingly.

Ron is a practically minded guy. A lot of us are too.

Why are some considering this reference to Trotsky as some covert, secret sign that Ron Paul is part of the huge conspiracy instead of just accepting it as some inert reference to something quite plain?

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-10   18:14:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Obama has a grassroots appeal. Soros also backs him. He is something of a maverick, whatever else he is.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   18:15:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

that Ron Paul is part of the huge conspiracy

no, that's not was suggested to my understanding, but that he is signaling he was forced out

You must admit it was very out of character.

Remember, McCain called RP "the spoiler".

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   18:16:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He has the fix put in years ago and you call me a cynic?

I'm trying to be the peace maker here. I think all of you, including Richard, are very interesting and well worth considering on any given issue. Richard and others on the subject of embedded nullification of the Constitution are very interesting, and yes, very cynical. Much more cynical than you. I'm just amazed that we have the freedom still to express these kinds of ideas.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-10   18:17:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ron is a practically minded guy. A lot of us are too.

I contact Pauls legislative office and they have a standard put off.."We do not answer emails from non constituents"...

Then I get an email from "Ron" and one from "Carol", please send money so I may save my seat in the house.

Practical? Trying to con more money from his loyal supporters? And richard says they are wealthy beyond our imagination. One of or both of you are wrong.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   18:19:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But in Nov., if my state looks like it is going to McCain, I will vote for Obama, if he is the nominee. Otherwise I'll vote my conscience, Constitution Party.

I'd vote for whatever candidate is most likely to bring the troops home. The USA is screwed no matter what, so regardless of what domestic/economic plans are proposed, the most responsible obligation to the rest of the world is to shut down the empire. If Obama would bring troops home while destroying the USA internally, fine. We're toast anyway and we owe it to the world to end the empire no matter what the cost to ourselves.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-10   18:21:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Obama has a grassroots appeal. Soros also backs him. He is something of a maverick, whatever else he is.

Obama was manufactured that Hillary might have some visible and viable competition to make it look good for the sheep.

We have seen much ado from the "republican" candidates, now think what ado have you seen from the democrats other than Hillary/Obama? Not a word, almost as strange as the silence surrounding Paul.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   18:23:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'd vote for whatever candidate is most likely to bring the troops home.

Which is the main reason I am thinking of voting for him in Nov, assuming he is there, which is a big assumption.

Hillary will not commit to a timeline for withdrawing the troops and McCain has assured us all that he wants 100 years of wars; probably starting next with Iran.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   18:24:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He's looking good to win; currently he has more delgates. I'll get back to you after the conventions.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   18:25:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You need to wrestle with richard then, he has the inside story.

He's got a good number of stories. Some I appreciate and agree with, but the idea that the PTB's can be easily persuaded to let you live in complete freedom just by arguing the right things to the right thugs doesn't quite work for me. Sorry.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-10   18:28:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The USA is screwed no matter what

Ping...

We can agree on that.

Anyone that looks around on their own will find this government/military is not planning well beyond the Iraq thing, they are preparing physically.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   18:28:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Recall Perot had "problems" he could never explain to anyones satisfaction?

What I recall, FWIWorth, is that a Bush Sr operative had some porno photos of Perot's daughter that they threatened to release to the compliant and bought media if he kept at his presidential run.

It was never clear to me if the photos were real or fabricated, and I guess it doesn't matter.

If true, it does show how corrupt the Bush's are and that, as George sr. said, "I will do anything to win the race, Anything".

Like over see a presidential assasination?

"Satan / Cheney in "08"

tom007  posted on  2008-02-10   18:28:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Which is the main reason I am thinking of voting for him in Nov, assuming he is there, which is a big assumption.

I am sending an inspector around first thing tomorrow morning to check your drinking water.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   18:29:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As we said many months ago, if he does NOT run as an independent, he will effectively put 'finis' to great portion of the majority of patriotic passion and commitment of the small, brave patriotic awakening he awakened in this rat hole political paradigm. And if the controllers are as smart as we think, they may well have orchestrated much of the 'Paul phenomena' to ultimately send the message, yet again, that 'resistance is futile!'

Excellent analysis because... it coincides, almost word for word, with my analysis from many moons ago. :)))))

The Ron Paul revolution inside the GOP teapot ended up legitimizing the 2-party system and reinforcing the idea that the 2-party is 'all there is out there', 'rationally and realistically speaking'.

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a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-02-10   18:30:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

anything, including JFK's assassination

Perot's reasons for quitting were peculiar or he was forced out. Something that might be true of RP, we just don't know. But his last message was very odd.

Sr. Bush didn't want a spoiler for his election chances either, and McCain has called RP a spoiler.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   18:30:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I would like to hear him say that he is NOT endorsing McCain.

I think it quite silly to suspect that he would endorse McCain, so I don't see why this is important to you. He's just as likely to rip up a copy of the Constitution at a press conference, if you ask me.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-10   18:30:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The Ron Paul revolution inside the GOP teapot ended up legitimizing the 2-party system and reinforcing the idea that the 2-party is 'all there is out there', 'rationally and realistically speaking'.

So we are on the non-party train with Obama now.

Hey, brilliant analysis and prediction!

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-10   18:31:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

tom

It is spiteful of you to post here since we know where you are.

Just plain mean.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   18:32:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He just made a big deal about remaining a Republican; no 3rd party race. The usual party practice is to support the party's nominee.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   18:32:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The usual party practice is to support the party's nominee.

Assuming he has turncoated many times before, this is to be expected.

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-10   18:33:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I am sure that Dr. Paul himself is very sincere and in no way a part of any conspiracy.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   18:34:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I would never call Dr. Paul a turncoat. Why do you say that? He is the true conservative. Running 3rd party would have been a good choice for him to make, and would have helped defeat McCain.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   18:35:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It is spiteful of you to post here since we know where you are.

Just plain mean.

Well I do have a return ticket in a few weeks.

O But I do have to stop over in the Fiji islands for a week tho.

Tough job, man, somebodys got to do it.

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tom007  posted on  2008-02-10   18:36:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think it quite silly to suspect that he would endorse McCain,

I was stupid for asking such a question.

These are Pauls words.

" But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican."

McCain is a republican and I consider it perfectly unstupid and unsilly to ask a simple question. You took our money, do you endorse McCain.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   18:36:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Of course he is sincere. Getting out of the GOP charade is something that he should have done a long time ago.

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a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-02-10   18:37:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Assuming he has turncoated many times before, this is to be expected.

Pep...

There you go again.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   18:38:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Very disappointing, that he will not be running as a 3rd party candidate. He has plenty of money to run and continue to get the true conservative message out in this way.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   18:38:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Tough job, man, somebodys got to do it.

You could be decent and post on some other site?

They say envy is wrong, so I is a wronger.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   18:39:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Getting out of the GOP charade is something that he should have done a long time ago.

All of a sudden Paul has gotten political religion. He has seen the light, no more straying.

He did add though, "send money".

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   18:42:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The Ron Paul revolution inside the GOP teapot ended up legitimizing the 2-party system and reinforcing the idea that the 2-party is 'all there is out there', 'rationally and realistically speaking'.

So we are on the non-party train with Obama now.

Hey, brilliant analysis and prediction!

Voting is only consequential on the margins but, yes. To the extent that McCain is on the GOP ticket, I will joyfully go out and vote for Obama and bring my wife with me and talk as many of my neighbors as I can reach to come and try to help us avoid the McCain plague.

This is coming from a former proud GOP member and Reagan supporter who was fooled once and actually voted for Bush the poppy.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-02-10   18:42:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The alternatives are to stick your head in the sand or vote for 100 years of war McCain.

Had RP run as a 3rd party candidate, we could have voted for him. No wonder McCain called RP the spoiler.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   18:45:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I contact Pauls legislative office and they have a standard put off.."We do not answer emails from non constituents"...

Then I get an email from "Ron" and one from "Carol", please send money so I may save my seat in the house.

I agree that's not consistent, but can we cut the guy some slack? He is/was running for both congress and president and mistakes are made. If you make a mistake dealing with a customer, does that make you a con man?

And richard says they are wealthy beyond our imagination. One of or both of you are wrong.

Who is? Ron Paul?

Maybe that's why he gives some of his salary back to the treasury then, and never voted for a pay raise. Oh wait, if he didn't do that, then that would be proof he's as bad as the rest.

So no matter what, Ron Paul is a wealthy, bought and paid for member of the global conspiracy.

I understand now.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-10   18:46:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't know how much control RP has over his own delegates but, I hope, he will instruct them to do something visible at the GOP convention - like carry some very graphic and very big anti-war signs and keep them up when the network cameras are looking.

As for him asking for money... I don't live in his district and my idea of political reform would be to restrict all contribution to only those that are to be represented - districts or states and, of course, to enforce one-term term limits. So maybe I will send him a few $$$ while it's still legal to do so.

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a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-02-10   18:47:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hillary will not commit to a timeline for withdrawing the troops and McCain has assured us all that he wants 100 years of wars; probably starting next with Iran.

McCain would clearly be as bad or worse than Bush. I'd probably rate him worse than even Hillary on foreign entanglements, but Hillary has already gone on record for leaving military action against Iran on the table, ergo....

How bad is Obama on foreign policy? The least of 3 evils, perhaps.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-10   18:50:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

richard says Paul is filthy rich. Therefore I am going to ask Paul for my money back. I suspect the odds would be no????

After all I did send a lot of beer money.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   18:53:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Pep...

There you go again.

Right on cue Cyn.

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-10   18:54:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Voting is only consequential on the margins but, yes. To the extent that McCain is on the GOP ticket, I will joyfully go out and vote for Obama and bring my wife with me and talk as many of my neighbors as I can reach to come and try to help us avoid the McCain plague.

This is coming from a former proud GOP member and Reagan supporter who was fooled once and actually voted for Bush the poppy.

I hang on your every word Vast.

Go forth and save the Republic.

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-10   18:55:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I really wanted a third party run to give the American people a chance to write in his name. I wanted him to outdo Perot. I figured he had a chance outside the GOP machinery.

yeah, me too. i thought perhaps he had awakened enough people, way more than Perot, that if ever there was a chance for a third party movement, this was it.

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-10   18:55:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The Ron Paul revolution inside the GOP teapot ended up legitimizing the 2-party system

For those (of us) who already knew otherwise, it did no such thing. For those who didn't, it similarly did no such thing as they are as ignorant now as the were before.

and reinforcing the idea that the 2-party is 'all there is out there', 'rationally and realistically speaking'.

Realistically, it IS all that's out there, however irrational that might be.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-10   18:55:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Pep...

In spite of your zingers, I do like you a little. And I bet you read the onion thingy about unity. If not, I am crushed.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   18:56:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

hat if ever there was a chance for a third party movement, this was it.

I guess I let myself be taken in by my own enthusiasm, but I'm apparently not alone. As Pep says, we're waiting for the thunder.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-10   18:58:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

however irrational that might be.

Not stupid but totally irrational.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   18:58:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Voting is only consequential on the margins but, yes. To the extent that McCain is on the GOP ticket, I will joyfully go out and vote for Obama and bring my wife with me and talk as many of my neighbors as I can reach to come and try to help us avoid the McCain plague.

with everything you've said about the corrupt two party system, you'd now take part in it and lend legitimacy to it? good grief. i thought you and everyone else here KNEW it's a rigged system. the selection has already been made.

IF NOT RON PAUL. NO ONE. ROCK THE NO VOTE ONCE AGAIN.

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-10   18:59:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He just made a big deal about remaining a Republican; no 3rd party race.

Okay, but it's probably not possible to run as an independent for prez while running as a R for congress, so that may be why he made the R statement. If he can't run as an R for congress, then he is much more likely to lose the seat. I'd say there's a massive chance that that's his reasoning.

The usual party practice is to support the party's nominee.

Sure, but Ron's not a usual Republican, and certainly does engage in usual R practices!

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-10   18:59:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

but the idea that the PTB's can be easily persuaded to let you live in complete freedom just by arguing the right things to the right thugs doesn't quite work for me. Sorry.

Oh, no, please do not go there. I have never said nor suggested such. Absolutely not!!!

Why do you suppose I left America? As I have said numerous times, I know what is coming, and I want nothing to do with it.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-02-10   18:59:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I guess I let myself be taken in by my own enthusiasm, but I'm apparently not alone.

buck...

Without enthusiasm you have nothing..

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   19:00:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Without enthusiasm you have nothing..

It's hard not to be enthusiastic. I bought into this whole idea that we were born free.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-10   19:02:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

with everything you've said about the corrupt two party system, you'd now take part in it and lend legitimacy to it? good grief. i thought you and everyone else here KNEW it's a rigged system. the selection has already been made.

Good heavens. A two liner, am gonna save this for posterity.

Pin it up on my wall.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   19:02:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

embedded nullification of the Constitution are very interesting, and yes, very cynical.

Please permit me one small piece of disagreement; the Truth is not cynical.

It is simply, the Truth.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-02-10   19:02:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's hard not to be enthusiastic. I bought into this whole idea that we were born free.

You and me both.

It was my last political hurrah. And now this.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   19:03:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

For those (of us) who already knew otherwise, it did no such thing. For those who didn't, it similarly did no such thing as they are as ignorant now as the were before.

Wasting your breath Pinguinite.

They will hear of no such argument.

Realistically, it IS all that's out there, however irrational that might be.

When it is seen that RP was taken down from the inside, it will be interesting to see if trust can be rebuilt for the candidate they want.

More carnage to follow and 3rd party talk will die as well. Part two of maintaining the status quo charade.

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-10   19:04:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

In spite of your zingers, I do like you a little. And I bet you read the onion thingy about unity. If not, I am crushed.

Thanks for the crumb Cyni. And, you lose the bet. I really don't care about the onion. I'll try not to lose sleep about it.

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-10   19:06:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yes, the least damage, I believe. He actually is against universal health care, but looking for a way to reduce the costs so everyone can afford it. I don't see how he can do it, but more power to him.

He is determined to get us out of Iraq and voted against the war to begin with.

Here is Obama in 2002:

link

I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income, to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

On Saddam Hussein

Now let me be clear: I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power.... The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors...and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.

I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars. So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   19:07:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It is simply, the Truth.

I can't argue with you on many of these issues because I don't know enough about it. And I don't mean to. I do believe some of these interpretations of history have powerful bearing on our problems today. It's no different form looking at the 3/5ths compromise, and stating that failure to resolve the issues it heralded led to the civil war.

The problem is that we're not willing to give up on restoring our freedoms just because we know that the deck is stacked against them.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-10   19:07:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

IF NOT RON PAUL. NO ONE. ROCK THE NO VOTE ONCE AGAIN.

Everyone can still write-in Ron Paul. That's probably the best that can be done.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-10   19:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Even if it means McCain will be elected in your state?

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   19:11:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If Paul did in fact write it, then he has pulled off the con job of the century in American politics.

We are only 8 years into this century. Get ready...

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snoopdougg  posted on  2008-02-10   19:12:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Oh, no, please do not go there. I have never said nor suggested such. Absolutely not!!!

Okay, I respect your denials, but it seems you have advocated freedom solutions that involve citing ancient court cases and such.

Modern police don't care much for such thing when they are firing their tasers and other toys. Judges often don't care much for the rule of law either.

It pretty much works like this: The rules are what the guys with the guns say they are, and they can say different things every day.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-10   19:14:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We are only 8 years into this century. Get ready...

We suffered the Clinton moral humiliation for eight long years, suffered the Bush rape of American liberty for eight years, will we survive another Clinton?

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   19:15:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

will we survive another Clinton?

no

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   19:16:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

will we survive another Clinton?

Hillary's upside is that she will wake America up FAR more than McCain.

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snoopdougg  posted on  2008-02-10   19:17:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The problem is that we're not willing to give up on restoring our freedoms just because we know that the deck is stacked against them.

That is not the problem, my friend, the problem is when you go about it in the wrong manner. THAT is the problem; when you do it as 'they' dictate instead of in a manner that will succeed. Or could have succeeded, until national politics became a mania.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-02-10   19:19:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hillary's upside is that she will wake America up FAR more than McCain.

McCain is deranged.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   19:19:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What's the right manner? It sounds like you're saying that all politics are local.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-10   19:21:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It pretty much works like this: The rules are what the guys with the guns say they are, and they can say different things every day.

Absolutely. They are only following the precepts laid down by such as Stalin, who stated that the difference between Communism and Socialism is that Communism comes out of the barrel of a gun.

As to this;

but it seems you have advocated freedom solutions that involve citing ancient court cases and such.

No. I never go there. Been there, done that, and it is a waste of time. Yes, I have won some minor affairs, but I well understand 'their' system. Again, this is why I left, and have no wish to return; because of the people, who will not accept that was has happened is because of what they have allowed.

I quote court cases to show the basis of what is and has happened; not to encourage using 'their' system to set things to right. I also quote such to show that, contrary to popular belief, there is a reason for things to happen as they do; it is not an accident.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-02-10   19:24:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

McCain wants 100 years of wars, I'm guessing Hillary wants like 50. But by then the USA would be no more anyway.

Obama spoke out against invading Iraq. I posted a link and part of his 2002 speech here.

He will bring them home, but not as quickly as RP would have.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   19:26:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What's the right manner? It sounds like you're saying that all politics are local.

No, not all politics are local; BUT.... the only politics where the people count and can have control of the affair is local.

This is why there is always such an emphsis put on national politics, so the people will put their attention where they can have no impact.

There is only one Ron Paul in Congress. Why is that? Because the people who should put more Ron Pauls in Congress have no understanding of what is important, and, how to go about changing things. Instead, they are busy complaining about what is wrong, and, trying to convince others as to how correct their viewpoint is, and, it is not their viewpoint at all; it is propaganda.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-02-10   19:28:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

IMO, the best we can hope for is Obama.

Have you looked at Obama's positions on gun control?

He wants to ban all semi-automatic weapons (MOST modern weapons), and wants only retired cops to be able to carry guns concealed.

Barack Obama on Gun Control

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-02-10   19:34:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This is why there is always such an emphsis put on national politics, so the people will put their attention where they can have no impact.

This is a very insightful post. Thank you for taking time to clarify.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-10   19:36:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I didn't say he was first choice. What are Hillary's positions on gun control?

Look at your choices. McCain wants 100 years of war.

Hopefully Congress would not give away our guns.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   19:37:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It sounds like you're saying that all politics are local.

"I believe that if the people of this nation fully understood what Congress has done to them over the last 49 years, they would move on Washington; they would not wait for an election... It adds up to a preconceived plan to destroy the economic and social independence of the United States!"

-- George W. Malone (1890-1961) U.S. Senator (Nevada) 1957

Source: speaking before Congress

In reading the above, you will note that the man DID NOT mention the president; just the Congress. Ever wonder why that would be so, and would you possibly suspect that he knew of what he spoke?

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-02-10   19:39:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hopefully Congress would not give away our guns.

The congress of a unanimous HR 1955? The congress of renewed telecom spy powers? The congress of torture? The congress of the MCA and the the abdication of monetary and war power?

We can't afford to bet on this.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-10   19:40:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

IMO, the best we can hope for is Obama.

A gun control Marxist who supports infanticide? No thanks.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-10   19:40:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Well, this week's episode of The Big Show has been really exciting, dividing the posters here into about four different warring factions, but what's all this talk of pretending to vote for the negro guy?

Weren't the people paying attention when the writers at the world jew congress, aipac, jinsa, adl and every other anti- America organization announced Hillary! as the next president-elect about six months ago?

That kind of spoiled the show for me. What's the point of pretending to vote when they tell you the outcome beforehand?

Esso  posted on  2008-02-10   19:41:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

OK, do you prefer McCain or Hillary? Those are your only other real alternatives at this point.

Obama is at least against the Iraq war and has been since 2002.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   19:42:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ever wonder why that would be so, and would you possibly suspect that he knew of what he spoke?

Tell us more.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-10   19:44:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Obama is at least against the Iraq war and has been since 2002.

But he's for invading Pakistan! (I think Ron Paul is, also -- when it comes down to nabbing Osama).

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-10   19:45:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I didn't say he was first choice. What are Hillary's positions on gun control?

I don't think Hillary's positions on gun control are as extreme as Obama's. It's a pretty sad day when Hillary Clinton is looking like the lesser of the evils.

Of course, this entire primary charade was steered and engineered to make that the case.

I'm really disillusioned with RP given his utter refusal to run as a third party candidate. Maybe I'll just write myself in on the ballot...

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-02-10   19:46:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But he's for invading Pakistan! (I think Ron Paul is, also -- when it comes down to nabbing Osama).

He's also gung ho on this "war on terror", just like the Republicans, or any other CFR puppet.

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-02-10   19:48:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Tell us more.

I have been, since I started in 4um.

I just put up a post; The Doctrine of Reality.

Try it.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-02-10   19:51:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

A gun control Marxist who supports infanticide

He also supports armpit farting and free flack jackets for single moms.

nobody  posted on  2008-02-10   19:51:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

OK, do you prefer McCain or Hillary? Those are your only other real alternatives at this point.

I almost don't think I could come up with three WORSE choices if I tried!

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-10   19:52:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

McCain is the worst, IMO. If he picks Lieberman as VP, look for McCain to be assassinated if he gets elected.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   19:53:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

McCain is the worst, IMO. If he picks Lieberman as VP, look for McCain to be assassinated if he gets elected.

That's if he doesn't get his fingers onto the football long enough for him to nuke the US first.

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-02-10   19:57:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Barring that event of course! That will leave US in entirely in the hands of the Knesset.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   19:59:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

OK, do you prefer McCain or Hillary?

Some choice, do you want to be hung or shot.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   19:59:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Shot, she probably can't aim well.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   20:00:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

McCain is the worst, IMO. If he picks Lieberman as VP, look for McCain to be assassinated if he gets elected.

Oh my...you're right about that. McCain/Lieberman would probably be the worst ticket ever, although Hillary/Obama or vice versa is right up there.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-10   20:01:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Odds are Clinton/Obama and McCain/Giuliani.

Regardless of who wins, Tel Aviv wins.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   20:03:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I find it interesting that Hillary has shucked her campaign manager.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   20:08:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I find it interesting that Hillary has shucked her campaign manager.

I find it amazing she didn't do it earlier ... what a schmuck!

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-10   20:14:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As I see it Obama has one choice in this years selection. He can either be Hillary's lawn jockey as VP or wait 8 years until it's his turn for the throne. I feel certain the Clinton's have many poison pills scattered about the political landscape and won't hesitate to use them as needed.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-10   20:14:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As I see it Obama has one choice in this years selection. He can either be Hillary's lawn jockey as VP or wait 8 years until it's his turn for the throne.

Obama will be used and thrown away.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   20:17:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Very disappointing, that he will not be running as a 3rd party candidate. He has plenty of money to run and continue to get the true conservative message out in this way.

I consider you one of the brighter ones on this forum. However, your statement above does not point that out.

If Ron Paul couldn't get his message out running in the GOP party, was included in all the regular debates, how in the hell would he get his message out as a third party candidate? just stop and think what you're proposing here. Ron Paul does not have hundreds of millions of dollars like Perot has. The MSM would continue to marginalize him running as a third party candidate. The very best a third party candidate can do is spend one heckofa lot of money and at best would be a spoiler.

I hope you also realize that he can not run as a third party candidate after running and losing as a candidate in another party for that same office for the same election cycle. That is to insure the two wings of our one party can stay in power indefinitely. Now, do you finally get a grasp on the election rules?

The 19th amendment has been a curse for America as far as I'm concerned. Women voting gave us dumb ass dumbya. Many women professed they would vote for dumbya as he was 'such a hunk'. Helluva reason to vote for a candidate! Now there are women by the millions clamouring to vote for the hildebeast just because she is a women. Ain't that grand? If she was a truly good candidate, I would vote for her. Unfortunately she is as bad as all the others.

Those who abondoned Ron Paul after he refused to take a stand on whether 9-11 was an inside job are a joke to me They can go drink monkey piss with all the other one issue voters. Had we been able to get him elected, we just might have elected the one man who would have unraveled what actually happened that day. Had he took a stand on that issue as a believer it was an inside job in any of the debates, he probably would already be a statistic of the Jimmy Hoffa type.

The two birds of prey, demons and pubbierats would have had even more fodder to use point him and us(his supporters) and even bigger looney tunes than they have been doing. He showed statesman like classs in his handling of the 9-11 issue. Taking one side or the other would have cost him votes either way. No, he never compromised his principles even once since he started his campaign and that goes to prove what a great statesman he is and points out what a great president he would be.

I believe we will not see the likes of another candidate like Ron Paul ever again. The next time someone comes along that appears to be like him may very well be the anti-christ. Leave it up to the Americans to screw things up and themselves in the process. As someone's tag line says, ' If America is destroyed it just may be from within, by a flag waving,patriotic appering person (s) and that person(s) may very well be all of us.

There isn't 1/10 of 1% of the population that would be willing to put their ass on the line to fight the fight that would restore America back to it's previous greatness. We have been dumbed down for too long, been marginalized too long, spoiled with greed for too long, and now we are going to find out what we really deserve and have coming down the road. I can assure you 'it ain't gonna be a picnic'.Anyone who can't see it coming or can't see the severity of it will, well I feel sorry for them

Ron Paul may well be a distant memory to many former supporters come this november, but he won't to me. I will write in a vote for him as will my wife. Maybe that will help lighten any burden placed upon us when the punishment comes our way. At least we will know like Dr. Paul, we never compromised.

I will not edit this comment. Eye sight too bad and this is pretty long.

LACUMO  posted on  2008-02-10   20:18:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Indeed, it is difficult, if not impossible, to envision Hillary being denied.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-10   20:19:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Obama will be used and thrown away.

Yep, he's a warm up act for the diversity crowd. He's done well and the rails are greased for a non-white after the CLinton's are done.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-10   20:25:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

To the extent that McCain is on the GOP ticket, I will joyfully go out and vote for Obama and bring my wife with me and talk as many of my neighbors as I can reach to come and try to help us avoid the McCain plague.

McCain is a lock.

I've been busy but SAP my intention is to stick an Obama sign in beside my ole RP one.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-10   20:33:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yep, he's a warm up act for the diversity crowd. He's done well and the rails are greased for a non-white after the CLinton's are done.

...which is why the media are puffing up Obama right now.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-10   20:34:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I've not seen him say he's throwing in the towel to do something else...can you point me to that.

ping to the reaction by Jeff Rense

Ron Paul's last message, which has been posted here with the Trotsky quote is pretty much goodbye to the presidential campaign. He states he will be concentrating on his congressional seat.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-10   20:35:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I really wanted a third party run to give the American people a chance to write in his name. I wanted him to outdo Perot. I figured he had a chance outside the GOP machinery.

He's always said from day one he had no plans to run 3rd party and has given his reasons why (which I agree with). If he can't win the GOP nomination, there's no way he'd win the Presidential election as an independent. All of this is for naught anyway because there's no way a Democrat won't be winning this election. In some respects I think it is a good thing for reasons: 1) The revolution has been sparked. 2) Whoever wins this election is going to inherit the most impossible set of circumstances and will be doomed to failure, taking the brunt of the collapse that was induced by the Bush Administration's poor policies. No one will be able to stop what's inevitably going to happen in the coming years, not even Ron. After their failure, the stage will be set for a RonPaulitician to enter many elected offices so long as the R3volution remains active.

Ncturnal  posted on  2008-02-10   20:40:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Everyone can still write-in Ron Paul. That's probably the best that can be done.

As things stand right now (McCain's a lock) I'll be voting for Obama ... cancel out a bigot.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-10   20:48:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I agree with you on all but the woman part for Bush. Gore was a lithsping geek with the stink of Clinton and no mention of Alqueda and all during the first debates. It was all about tax cuts and the economy, building an ownership society and no nation building. This woman, thought he debated better than Gore and had no party affiliation before that.

Then came Kerry, after the 4 year bitchathon, we were all tired of. Kerry said, we should only go to war and die under the flag of the UN. His wife was a flaming nutbar, and let's face it, he could put a rock to sleep.

Bush got selected and elected, withstanding no real competition, or knowledge of the greater game and fraud put upon the public.

Fox News, relatively unknown, was hyped by sites like NewsMax. Without a full on media orgasm where it was politics 24/7, the result, you have to admit, would've been exactly the same.

Our policy makers, may have warmed different chairs at the table, but they would've still been there. IMO.

Otherwise, I think we agree on everything else.

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Peppa  posted on  2008-02-10   20:50:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You're a freakin great American, and I do mean that sincerely and not in the hannity sense of the word.

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   20:50:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As things stand right now (McCain's a lock)

How do you figure? The Democrats are outdrawing the Pubbies 2 and 3 to 1 at all primaries. I don't even think they could fix this one in favor of McLame if they wanted to.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-10   20:52:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We've believed Ron has been a man of conscience all these years, never making backroom deals

Maybe WV was a sign.

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   20:54:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No, no, no.

This is another Clinton being (s)elected.

McInsane might off himself election night when he finally figures it out.

(and that appears to be the only reason I'll be tuning in that night)

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   20:55:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He'll have to live with the same president as the rest of the USA next year, and he certainly isn't leaving anyone in any worse shape than they were in before he declared his candidacy.

You really need to get some correct context here, Cyni!

I'm sure you maxed your $2,200, bought lots of slimjims-yardsigns-banners, chunked in for blimps and vote counts, etc.

Ron Paul lives here and he FILES HERE, right?

Right?

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   20:57:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Weren't the people paying attention when the writers at the world jew congress, aipac, jinsa, adl and every other anti- America organization announced Hillary! as the next president-elect about six months ago?

That kind of spoiled the show for me. What's the point of pretending to vote when they tell you the outcome beforehand?

Gee, I guess that would make you the "world jew congress, aipac, jinsa, adl and every other anti- America organization" dream voter wouldn't it?

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-10   20:59:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Both Obama and his wife are CFR members. He's just younger and appears less power-hungry than Hillary. Remember, globalism is all about hope for humanity. It's not a hateful endeavor. But some of them believe they can do cruel and otherwise evil things to accomplish their aims, because anyone standing in the way is obstructing progress toward utopia. I say they work for the same team, and the team employs the same goon squads regardless of candidate. Once they know they can use one as a puppet, all obstacles are removed one way or another.

I say BINGO.

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   21:01:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why are some considering this reference to Trotsky as some covert, secret sign that Ron Paul is part of the huge conspiracy instead of just accepting it as some inert reference to something quite plain?

Silly, silly boy.........using the word 'Trotsky' was a secret signal by Ron to the neocons saying essentially 'mission accomplished'. HAven't you heard that he is in on the jewish plot to overtake the world and that by ruining anyone else's chances for a run on a 3rd party ticket--cause everyone was hoping he'd defect from the gop and go the 3rd way--he was to stop anyone that could absolutely win in November.

Sheesh, I thought everyone knew that.........oh way==sorry, you're down in the little "E".

< /sarcasm>

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rowdee  posted on  2008-02-10   21:01:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And you think that if Soros tells him to jump that's he'll just tell Soros to go take a flying leap?

God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-10   21:03:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

All of this is for naught anyway because there's no way a Democrat won't be winning this election. In some respects I think it is a good thing for reasons: 1) The revolution has been sparked. 2) Whoever wins this election is going to inherit the most impossible set of circumstances and will be doomed to failure, taking the brunt of the collapse that was induced by the Bush Administration's poor policies.

good comments, Ncturnal. welcome!

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-10   21:03:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Maybe WV was a sign.

what's WV?

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-10   21:04:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm sorry but whatever your point is, I completely missed it.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-10   21:05:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

After their failure, the stage will be set for a RonPaulitician to enter many elected offices so long as the R3volution remains active.

The Paul revolution ended yesterday, in disgrace.

As for the aftermath of Bush...Everything is set in place for our coming total government. The NWO will have arrived.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   21:08:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

OOOOooooooohhhhh..... thank you rowdee..... Dang I feel sooo stOOOOpid... Shoulda caught that.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-10   21:08:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think that be West "by God" Virginia, as it's sometimes known around the area. ________'s reference to the caucus where RP people made a deal with Huck to vote for him to give him the victory over Romney in exchange for 3 delegates.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-10   21:10:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

WV is Paul throwing his votes to Huckster in exchange for 3 delegates to beat Romney.

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   21:12:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah.

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   21:12:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Even if it means McCain will be elected in your state?

Good point. We wouldn't want to waste our vote on Ron Paul if it would help McCain. That would make a vote for Ron a vote for McCain....

Seriously, I guess it's pretty much a decision for each to make. Is the difference between the D and McCain strong enough to warrant voting for the D, OR is the vote more likely to make a worthwhile impact with the vote counters when cast as a write in for Ron Paul. This assumes the elections aren't rigged, of course, though that consideration would make the write-in the correct choice.

And then you have to figure how much a difference your vote would make when mixed in with the other 100 million.

You know, Ecuador's population of about 13 million means an Ecuadorian vote for prez carries about 25 times more weight than an American's same vote for prez. One of the problems with the USA is that its too damn big.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-10   21:19:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As things stand right now (McCain's a lock)

How do you figure?

My bad ... I meant a lock for nomination.

I just want a landslide stake in the heart of the Plutocrat Party.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-10   21:23:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Well, he got 3 delegates out of it, which is more than he would have without the deal.

Ron is principled, but also practical. Then again, had the state gone to Romney, maybe there's a chance he'd still be in the race so maybe in hindsight that backfired. Then again, Romney's withdrawal shows us that he probably wanted to avoid a brokered convention and would have acted to prevent it anyway.

So in the end, the result would have been the same.

Pretty screwed up system.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-10   21:24:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You did fine, just fine.

God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-10   21:25:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And this is being disputed as being from ROn.........for openers.

And as for Rense's take on anything.....bah humbug! He gives the reason for low contributions in January as the result of the truthers being pissed........as I recall, the word was put out for small contributions, i.e., $10.

As though the truthers are the only supporters of RP! Hah. Everyone seems to have an excuse for wanting to bail out from the only guy in a long time who has had a clue as to the problems facing this nation---and offering legit ways to fix them.

Oh well...........at the end of this ordeal, they cal all say, they bailed out, they knew he was a flake, or whatever else they decide between then and now.

God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-10   21:30:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

My bad ... I meant a lock for nomination.

I just want a landslide stake in the heart of the Plutocrat Party.

Oh, okay, my bad. I concur.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-10   21:31:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

All of this is for naught anyway because there's no way a Democrat won't be winning this election.

My God .... a breath of fresh air.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-10   21:33:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

As things stand right now (McCain's a lock) I'll be voting for Obama

I should have added in the primary as well as in Nov.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-10   21:36:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

hammerdown  posted on  2008-02-10   21:37:14 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This is another Clinton being (s)elected.

Not if those that still have the opportunity vote for Obama in their primary.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-10   21:39:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

You still think that the vote counts aren't manipulated.

How quaint!

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   21:40:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The very best a third party candidate can do is spend one heckofa lot of money and at best would be a spoiler.

nothing ventured, nothing gained. i think the time could very well have been right and i think had RP gone for it, he could have galvanized a very very large number of Americans who would have donated the money he needed. it really was now or never.

then the fact that RP so vehemently declared himself a republican who will remain a republican, for me, added insult to injury.

i agree with _______ who questioned, "How is having a seat in a corrupt Congress as the "Titanic" sinks more important than running a massive message/real effort to win 3rd Party campaign through to November?"

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-10   21:40:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ron Paul may well be a distant memory to many former supporters come this november, but he won't to me. I will write in a vote for him as will my wife. Maybe that will help lighten any burden placed upon us when the punishment comes our way. At least we will know like Dr. Paul, we never compromised.

Bravo! I'll write him in too.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2008-02-10   21:41:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

One of the problems with the USA is that its too damn big.

And if Juan McAmnesty wins, the USA will be twice as large.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-02-10   21:44:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's a lot of extra time (through to November) to reach people.

Especially in an unfair match, stacked deck such as this. I believe he could win the popular vote and that there would be a 4th Party involved.

All for naught.

Damn

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   21:44:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Have you applied for your North American Zone Biometric ID Card yet?

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   21:45:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And if Juan McAmnesty wins, the USA will be twice as large.

We gringos could move to Mexico with Jose and Pedro where it is warmer, si?????

Except they would hunt us down like dogs? si?

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   21:46:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

________'s reference to the caucus where RP people made a deal with Huck to vote for him to give him the victory over Romney in exchange for 3 delegates.

I heard that when McCain learned he wasn't going to win a majority he his told his delegates to support Huckleberry in order to prevent a Romney win in WV. I heard it on the radio news and it stuck in my mind as fact.

Did I get the wrong version of the news?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2008-02-10   21:48:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Gabacho

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Gabacho (feminine, Gabacha) is a rather derogatory word used in Spanish to describe foreigners of different origins:

• In the United States it is used mainly by Mexican Americans (and by extension American Hispanics) as a pejorative name for White Americans. It is not widely used or understood by Spanish speakers in the Americas outside the USA and Mexico.

• In Mexico it refers to US citizens, especially as a pejorative alternative to the milder [[gringo]]. It became widely used in Mexico during the French occupation as a term to refer to the invading French.
• In Spain, where the word was first used in Spanish, it was used in the first instance to describe people from the skirts of the Pyrenees and then, more generally, when referring to a person from France, which is its main use today. It is also used in Occitan for a rude mountain dweller who speaks the national language badly, being this the origin of the word that, by semantic sliding, was then applied to French people in Spain and to US Anglo-saxon citizens in Mexico or the United States by Mexican Americans.

I believe they call us 'gabachos' now.

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   21:49:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Paul threw in with him (McInsane) to give Huckster the win over romney.

It was on RonPaul2008.com.

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   21:50:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I hang on your every word Vast.

Go forth and save the Republic.

:))) Everything that you said on the topic of eLections and Ron Paul's candidacy turned out to be wrong, stupid, irrelevant, naive, loony or a combination of the above so, maybe you should be listening to someone who is almost always right, relevant, informative and insightful because you just might learn a thing or 2.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-02-10   21:51:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ron Paul is suspending his campaign to concentrate on his House seat, eh? Given that incumbents win app. 95% of the time (he has occupied the seat since '88?) *and* considering he won his last election by a 3 to 2 margin, I'd say his 72 year old REPUBLICAN ass is very, very safe.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-10   21:54:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

AstroGlide

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   21:55:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

How quaint!

I guess we occupy the same country ... thank God not the same world.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-10   21:58:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Gabacho

Now I really feel bad.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   22:00:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

KY Jelly please. It makes American political experience so much easier to take.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-10   22:00:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

considering he won his last election by a 3 to 2 margin, I'd say his 72 year old REPUBLICAN ass is very, very safe.

Jethro...

OK, why did he and Carol hit me up for money?

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   22:01:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Well, Perot liked it raw, so you know I'm new at this.

Larry Craig (R) I believe endorses AstroGlide, but I'll get both to cover my bases.

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   22:03:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Now I really feel bad.

Está bien, usted es apenas un gabacho mudo atascó en la Unión norteamericana.

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   22:04:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Because money, greed and politics are all interchangeable. IIRC, he spent $1.5 million for his last House election. With what he has left over from the money bombs he should be good until he's 120 years old.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-10   22:04:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

With what he has left over from the money bombs he should be good until he's 120 years old.

what happens to the donated money when candidates drop out of races?

kiki  posted on  2008-02-10   22:13:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware that occurred.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2008-02-10   22:16:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

what happens to the donated money when candidates drop out of races?

kiki

Recall that olde sock we spoke of??????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   22:16:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Recall that olde sock we spoke of??????

lol!! but I was serious. they don't get to keep it, do they? if so, I'll run for president every four years. I'd be happy with a couple of hundred thousand.

kiki  posted on  2008-02-10   22:19:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's theirs.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-10   22:20:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's theirs.

I'm establishing the Old Sock Party first thing in the morning. don't vote for me, I certainly don't want to win.

kiki  posted on  2008-02-10   22:26:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ron Paul Secures Three Delegates in West Virginia State Convention (2/5/08)

Press Releases › Ron Paul Secures Three Delegates in West Virginia State Convention

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   22:28:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm establishing the Old Sock Party first thing in the morning. don't vote for me, I certainly don't want to win.

lol

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-10   22:29:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I took personal offense when Ron and Carol both sent emails pleading for money, for a run for Congress in Texas. Let the cheap Texans buy their own politicians.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   22:30:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

:))) Everything that you said on the topic of eLections and Ron Paul's candidacy turned out to be wrong, stupid, irrelevant, naive, loony or a combination of the above so, maybe you should be listening to someone who is almost always right, relevant, informative and insightful because you just might learn a thing or 2.

Don't trip on your ego, it's the only thing that makes you half way attractive.

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-10   22:30:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Candidates' Cash Flow Ahead of Super Tuesday

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   22:31:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Years ago one wag was thinking of running for Mayor of New York City.. He said if he won he would demand a recount.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   22:32:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

this is some bizarre stuff:

McCain finished 2007 in the hole, with $2.9 million on hand (including both primary-season and general-election dollars), but $4.5 million in debt. His campaign scraped by on a line of credit, which was secured largely with McCain's fundraising lists as collateral. That meant that McCain, age 71, had to take out extra life insurance, because the fundraising lists would lose value without him.

kiki  posted on  2008-02-10   22:34:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Don't trip on your ego, it's the only thing that makes you half way attractive.

Pep...

You take a break and study up on onions????

Or you just come back to heckle, hound and badger me?

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   22:34:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Everyone seems to have an excuse for wanting to bail out from the only guy in a long time who has had a clue as to the problems facing this nation---and offering legit ways to fix them

It's called scapegoating. Ron Paul won't get elected so the naysayers have to blame someone, and that someone is Ron Paul. Yes it's all his fault. He could have been elected if only he had [fill in the blank here], and because he didn't do that, to hell with him. Who needs Ron Paul anyway?

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-10   22:35:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He said if he won he would demand a recount.

hehe, sounds like something groucho marx would say

kiki  posted on  2008-02-10   22:35:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

McCain finished 2007 in the hole, with $2.9 million on hand (including both primary-season and general-election dollars), but $4.5 million in debt. His campaign scraped by on a line of credit, which was secured largely with McCain's fundraising lists as collateral. That meant that McCain, age 71, had to take out extra life insurance, because the fundraising lists would lose value without him.

Another subprime loan?/s

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-10   22:37:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Who needs Ron Paul anyway?

Ping

Better yet why did he take my money and run???? I took nothing from him.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   22:37:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Now that's sumthin isn't it?

The chosen CFR loser. I'll bet his book deals and appearance bonuses will get him to the other side.

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   22:37:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I knew his only hope of being elected was to string this out as the inevitability of collapse mounted with each passing day.

He killed that with "I AM A REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN" in the Surrender to November goodbye message.

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   22:39:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Another subprime loan?/s

exactly :)

kiki  posted on  2008-02-10   22:39:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

kiki

It was William F. Buckley, Jr.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   22:40:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

i agree with _______ who questioned, "How is having a seat in a corrupt Congress as the "Titanic" sinks more important than running a massive message/real effort to win 3rd Party campaign through to November?"

I think if Ron honestly thought that the chances of winning a 3rd party prez run was worth forfeiting his congressional seat, he'd have gone for it. As it is, he sees going indi as a worthless effort, and therefore wants to ensure the consolation prize of keeping his C seat.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-10   22:40:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Whoa! What a year this has been. And what achievements we have had. If I may quote Trotsky of all people, this Revolution is permanent. It will not end at the Republican convention. It will not end in November. It will not end until we have won the great battle on which we have embarked. Not because of me, but because of you. Millions of Americans -- and friends in many other countries -- have dedicated themselves to the principles of liberty: to free enterprise, limited government, sound money, no income tax, and peace. We will not falter so long as there is one restriction on our persons, our property, our civil liberties. How much I owe you. I can never possibly repay your generous donations, hard work, whole-hearted dedication and love of freedom. How blessed I am to be associated with you. Carol, of course, sends her love as well.

Let me tell you my thoughts. With Romney gone, the chances of a brokered convention are nearly zero.

Even Today (2-10-08), A Possible Brokered Convention Exists!

By PrimaryBomb.com | February 10, 2008

But……… unless you’re reading about it here, you probably won’t hear about it.

I’m the evil, “kool-aid” drinking, misleading patriot that has been working since the second week in January of 2008 to get the word out about a possible “brokered convention”.

Yes, even today (2-10-08 at approximately 7:30PM CST) the possibility of a “brokered convention” still exists. Like a flower, each day, each hour, each minute that goes by, it’s life withers away.

Read More »

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   22:43:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think if Ron honestly thought that the chances of winning a 3rd party prez run was worth forfeiting his congressional seat, he'd have gone for it.

That is not stupid but is convoluted thinking.

Ron Paul and no one here ever had the illusion that Paul would win. No one.

We were hoping for a start, Paul put himself out there, he was not drafted, he asked for and received our money, millions of it and then took a dive.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   22:44:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Did I get the wrong version of the news?

I think it is fact that a deal was struck between RP and Huck in WV. I remember seeing mention of it on RP2008.com. Maybe McCain did it also, or did it for free.

BTW, is it for certain that Ron Paul himself made that deal, or might it have been his delegate underlings in WV acting without RP's oversight?

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-10   22:45:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If Dr. Ron really thought there was any future left, he'd have planted his flag with the Constitution Party and put some wind into their wings. As it is now, he'll slide back into irrelevance his remaining however many terms and be another one of 435 that only the remnant remember. What a waste.

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   22:45:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ron Paul and no one here ever had the illusion that Paul would win. No one.

We were hoping for a start, Paul put himself out there, he was not drafted, he asked for and received our money, millions of it and then took a dive.

The revolution spark needed more time to flame.

Damn I'm pissed off.

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   22:46:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The revolution spark needed more time to flame.

Good thing General Washington did not take a hike from Valley Forge.

He was made of sterner material and the Brits had a price on his head.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   22:49:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It was William F. Buckley, Jr.

oh!!! I never heard that. it is funny

kiki  posted on  2008-02-10   22:50:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Better yet why did he take my money and run???? I took nothing from him.

Ummm.... I think you gave it to him. Or did he have a gun?

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-10   22:51:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ummm.... I think you gave it to him. Or did he have a gun?

Cute...

He was a false prophet and it shows. People better get use to it.

Perot was one, he left us with nothing but he spent mostly his own money.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   22:54:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-10   22:56:32 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

On the bright side, I was only hours away from sending a wad down to Ron Paul for Congress and as I set up the screen that "Message from Ron" came in.

Now I'm going to invest it in more useful ways. BLOAT

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   22:57:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The revolution spark needed more time to flame.

Good thing General Washington did not take a hike from Valley Forge.

He was made of sterner material and the Brits had a price on his head.

I have a hunch, call it an intuition, that a message made it to Ron at CPAC.

The one that romney got.

Just a hunch.

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   22:58:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

My kind of park!

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   22:59:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

SeadogBytes has some great art work. I was looking up some of his stuff on Pelosi for another forum and came across that.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-10   23:02:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

President’s Day Money Bomb

By scri | February 10, 2008

There is a Money Bomb slated for President’s Day Feb. 18th. Let’s show the WORLD Ron Paul is the PEOPLE’S choice. Thanks, get the word out about Feb.18th.

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   23:03:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

fwiw, i don't think that Ron Paul will endorse McCain.

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-10   23:04:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Everything that you said on the topic of eLections and Ron Paul's candidacy turned out to be wrong, stupid, irrelevant, naive, loony or a combination of the above so, maybe you should be listening to someone who is almost always right, relevant, informative and insightful because you just might learn a thing or 2.

Well, ain't you just sumthin special!

God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-10   23:04:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

All good Republicans are rallying around McInsane.

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   23:05:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Just a hunch.

Elder Lindbergh and Louis McFadden spoke out against the Federal Reserve.

Lindbergh survived assassination attempts, McFadden was gotten on the third attempt.

You have more than a hunch.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   23:05:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But with so many primaries and caucuses now over, we do not now need so big a national campaign staff, and so I am making it leaner and tighter. Of course, I am committed to fighting for our ideas within the Republican party, so there will be no third party run. I do not denigrate third parties -- just the opposite, and I have long worked to remove the ballot-access restrictions on them. But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican.

I'm no longer a Republican.

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   23:07:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Right.....

God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-10   23:08:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

fwiw, i don't think that Ron Paul will endorse McCain.

Most likely you are correct, no formal endorsement but on the flip side, no public comment on McCain whatsoever.

Again a tacit endorsement, once a pub always a pub, I am loyal pub, all BS.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   23:08:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican.

I would not be proud of such a statement. Paul should be ashamed. Americans of all stripes rallied to him and his message and do not deserve to be dismissed because Paul gets political religion all of a sudden.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   23:11:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican.

I would not be proud of such a statement. Paul should be ashamed. Americans of all stripes rallied to him and his message and do not deserve to be dismissed because Paul gets political religion all of a sudden.

I took a pledge to the Queen and to the Queen I am pledged.

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   23:14:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

RP doesn't have to endorse anyone; he's already locked arms with the biggest load of perverts on the planet. Let him enjoy his exclusive club membership. He's irrelevant.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-10   23:15:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Suddenly, Ron Paul is garbage.

He's far from garbage. But you have to admit is campaign did not make very good use of donations. Almost like they didn't really want his message to get out.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-02-10   23:17:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

RP doesn't have to endorse anyone;

Jethro...

He already did. Mccain calls for party unity and two days later Paul get political religion swearing his undying faith in the republican party. Makes me sick.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   23:19:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

i agree with _______ who questioned, "How is having a seat in a corrupt Congress as the "Titanic" sinks more important than running a massive message/real effort to win 3rd Party campaign through to November?"

It isn't as important as being president.

Boy how easy it is to point a finger of blame. We fickle Americans have been trained to do just that.

Ron Paul started out on a shoe string campaign war chest. It was us supporters who funded his campaign war chest with those two big fundraisers. Shortly after his campaign received those dollars, many on here and other forums started to play politics themselves. Also it was about the same time the concerted MSM started the marginalism of Ron Paul and about the time the seeds of doubt were being planted and beginning to sprout.

In essence, many so called Ron Paul supporters weren't comitted to stand by him through the thick and thin. That is very apparent reading many comments on Freedom4um the last week or so. There is no shame in giving a worthy cause your support. The shame comes when that support is very shallow.

Two women from our Ron Paul meetup group drove over 40 miles one way in blizzard conditions today 2-10-08 to deliver Ron Paul ballot access petitions and Ron Paul delegate petitions that will be driven to Harrisburg PA tomorrow. We are not giving up. You may call us stupid, naive, ignorant, or whatever you want. That my friends is called dedicated and 'real' support. We will also meet tomorrow night at 7:00pm for our regular meeting.The PA primary is still a long way off.

I wouldn't consider voting for any of the candidates running in either party. Like the MSM, I've marginalized the scumbags.We can only expect more of the same and I do believe we just had our last best hope. The trouble is not many Americans today would shed blood for this country and I don't mean just serving in the military.

We've had it too good for too long and have mortgaged our children's, great grandchildren's and great grandchildren's future, finances, liberty,justice,freedom by our own greedy actions. They are left to what appears to be a life of servitude and misery. Let us all take a moment to reach around and give ourselves a great big pat on the back. We wrote the book on meism and the last chapter doesn't even have any words telling them we are sorry.

I do agree that if Dr. Paul wants to run for congress again, he should raise his campaign dollars in texas.

LACUMO  posted on  2008-02-10   23:25:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Chuck Hagel vs Ron Paul

March 12, 2007

Chuck Hagel decided not to announce his candidacy for President today while Ron Paul announced. However if you were unfortunate enough to pay any attention to the mainstream media circus you would be under the impression that Hagel was the only candidate to make any news. I think one Ron Paul supporter knows why:

According to Hardball, Hagel is the only Anti-War, Pro-Civil liberties candidate running for the Republican Primary. But, just how Anti-war and Anti-police state is he? Look at his Voting record, compared to the voting record of Ron Paul. He voted for the Military Commissions Act! Ron Paul is the only true Anti-War, Pro-Civil Liberties candidate.

July 5th, 2007

Ron Paul/Chuck Hagel '08 ???

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   23:26:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There is no shame in giving a worthy cause your support. The shame comes when that support is very shallow.

Baloney.

Our support was deeper than his commitment.

Period.

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   23:27:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We've believed Ron has been a man of conscience all these years, never making backroom deals with other congressmen or voting for pork benefiting his own district, and now we're to consider the possibility that someone successfully applied covert pressure on Ron Paul to stop actively campaigning?

Ron Paul is a human like everyone else. He is not immune from the pressure of threats against his family. I would not even blame him for stopping for those reasons. I'm sure he is willing to die for the cause, but he is not willing to see his loved ones die for the cause. Ron Paul is no dummy. He knows what Alex Jones believes about 9/11, yet he still chose to go on his radio program numerous times. Of course Ron knows the truth about 9/11, he also knows that is one boundary the elite won't let him cross without deadly consequences.

Exposing the truth about 9/11 is more important than any presidential run ever. It is the only way America has a chance to change, the only way. The criminals and the people covering up for them must be brought to justice or America will never be free again.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-02-10   23:28:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

911 was used to move on the North American Zone and the Middle East Zone while getting into bed with the South East Asian Zone, the Euro Zone more deeply and of course send big frns to the African Zone.

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   23:32:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Paul thru mis advice or poor judgment has faltered in the first turn and to a long shot in a race that is fatal. His own presentations were an indicator, allowing lesser men to mock him in front of millions was wrong and someone should have told him so.

I no longer know what to think.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   23:33:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks to JEFF RENSE, if for nothing else, pointing out the ANOMALY of Ron Paul quoting Trotsky, whose demented brain fomented the Russian Revolution of 1917. Ron Paul would normally NEVER quote Trotsky to encourage his followers. The Revolution of Dr. Paul is not a “revolution” which sends millions to the Gulag or deliberately starves farmers in the Ukraine. GET THE PICTURE? Ron Paul is letting us know, in the only way he can, that he has been forced out. He has been threatened, and he has been elbowed out of the race by THUGS. Think-Think-Think-Think! It is so important now that we face this Government Mafia and tell America.

I think that is a distinct possibility. Two weeks ago RP's campaign manager was acknowledging 3rd Party as a distinct possibility

Now it is ruled out completely.

Those are all interesting datums.

I floated the possibility a week ago that there were behind the scenes threats being made - not against Ron Paul as he is personally courageous - but against friends and family - the achilles heel of any good man. It is one thing to risk your own life and another to have known killers state "do 'X' or your daughter gets snuffed".

I also think Jeff was right that RP's comment on 911 eroding support. Since he is reputed to have confided behind the scenes that 911 was an inside job one can only conclude his statement was political or forced. The set-up for the question on it is very interesting - as is Ron Paul's comment after the disavowal. I now believe that may very well have been a statement forced by threats behind the scenes.

I think that the PTB decided it was too risky to whack Ron Paul to take him out of the race and so other means were used. He was forced to shoot himself in the foot and then bow out.

Same thing as happened with the Editor of "Capital Hill Blue" to shut him up. An ex-Marine can't be accused of being a coward so he had to be forced to shoot himself in the foot - on the same issue i.e., 911 Truth.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-02-10   23:53:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I floated the possibility a week ago that there were behind the scenes threats being made - not against Ron Paul as he is personally courageous - but against friends and family - the achilles heel of any good man. It is one thing to risk your own life and another to have known killers state "do 'X' or your daughter gets snuffed".

Isn't this what happened to Ross Perot and he was written off as a nut.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-10   23:58:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Anybody remember this?

What happened to the recent "That's what I want them to think!^TM"?

_______  posted on  2008-02-10   23:59:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I also think Jeff was right that RP's comment on 911 eroding support. Since he is reputed to have confided behind the scenes that 911 was an inside job one can only conclude his statement was political or forced. The set-up for the question on it is very interesting - as is Ron Paul's comment after the disavowal. I now believe that may very well have been a statement forced by threats behind the scenes.

His answer seemed forced and out of character.

Just like his outright killing the National Campaign with "I AM A REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN" - Surrender to November.

_______  posted on  2008-02-11   0:01:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

His own presentations were an indicator, allowing lesser men to mock him in front of millions was wrong and someone should have told him so.

yeah, i agree. and it's not like he didn't have it in him. i saw it and heard it a number of times. maybe he was Perot'd. this was sudden. who knows. i don't know what to think anymore either.

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-11   0:02:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Isn't this what happened to Ross Perot and he was written off as a nut.

Which would explain not mentioning it, which I believe Perot did.

_______  posted on  2008-02-11   0:02:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

which I believe Perot did.

Yes he did. He came out and said they had threatened his daughter.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-11   0:04:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ron has a very large family complete with great grand child(ren) I believe.

Still, the minute you take on all these guys haven't you already taken these potential threats into consideration.

IMO, Dr. Paul did not expect this to take off. That might be part of it.

We took him higher than he planned on going, in reality?

_______  posted on  2008-02-11   0:06:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You could be decent and post on some other site?

Funny.

"Satan / Cheney in "08"

tom007  posted on  2008-02-11   0:08:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Everyone can still write-in Ron Paul. That's probably the best that can be done.

I am voting for someone who is actually running. He is not he only one out there that wants to bring America back to following the constitution. So whoever the constitution party nominates is more than likely who I will be voting for to be president of the USA. Third parties can work with enough money, Ross Perot is proof of that.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-02-11   0:10:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We took him higher than he planned on going, in reality?

That's probably true. He always did seem taken back by it. Who knew freedom would be so popular.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-11   0:11:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I floated the possibility a week ago that there were behind the scenes threats being made - not against Ron Paul as he is personally courageous - but against friends and family - the achilles heel of any good man. It is one thing to risk your own life and another to have known killers state "do 'X' or your daughter gets snuffed".

Isn't this what happened to Ross Perot and he was written off as a nut.

Perot was on a trajectory to win without something to make him bow out just as his campaign begin reaching a tidal level.

I am reasonably certain he was forced out and then kookified.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-02-11   0:17:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm looking to the Constitution Party nominee as well.

Maybe Baldwin will reconsider now that Dr. Ron cratered the campaign.

_______  posted on  2008-02-11   0:19:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

After recalling some of his speeches, I think we may be onto something.

_______  posted on  2008-02-11   0:19:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Good point. We wouldn't want to waste our vote on Ron Paul if it would help McCain. That would make a vote for Ron a vote for McCain....

McCain or Hillary or even Obama, there are no significant differences between them. They are all all bought and paid for stooges. Vote for the person you consider the best. If that's Ron Paul in your mind, then vote for him. I will be voting for the constitution party candidate.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-02-11   0:24:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I am reasonably certain he was forced out and then kookified.

I agree.

_______: I'm looking to the Constitution Party nominee as well.

That's the party I'm switching to and they will get my vote from now on.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-11   0:25:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I will be voting for the constitution party candidate.

I know they had a woman running in the Primary. I don't know if she will get the nomination or not. Everyone at the central committee meeting seemed to be supporting her.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-11   0:28:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

McHillahuckabama was 100% CFR sponsored and certified.

_______  posted on  2008-02-11   0:31:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm re-registering from R to CP tomorrow.

I registered from Independent to Republican (I was a Republican during most of the 80s, registered I during the Bush-Clinton-Bush years to recently) and never had a problem as a GOP delegate all these years.

The Party left me, but there's a Party worthy of my support, but NOT guaranteed my vote.

The best man for America gets my VOTE.

_______  posted on  2008-02-11   0:34:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

McHillahuckabama was 100% CFR sponsored and certified.

Ya think?

_______  posted on  2008-02-11   0:35:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I didn't read the article, just the title. Ask me why if you really want to know.

I suspect that maybe Ron Paul was threatened.

Then I also have other ideas, but some things are better left unsaid.

Personally I'm disappointed, but not surprised.

The idea's unstoppable - the human spirit indomitable (sp?) and the collective mind will prevail.

Now I'm gonna go look for a youtube video...

wudidiz  posted on  2008-02-11   0:41:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I am reasonably certain he was forced out and then kookified.

I agree.

_______: I'm looking to the Constitution Party nominee as well.

That's the party I'm switching to and they will get my vote from now on.

I thought at the time that there might be pressure on Perot to bow out. How does a mere Billionaire fight against Trillionaires?

For now I am keeping my Libertarian registration, but I will vote Constitution Party if they field a good candidate.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-02-11   0:44:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If no one is worthy, I'll write in Original_Intent.

Only if you promise to put in _______.

_______  posted on  2008-02-11   0:47:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I will be voting for the constitution party candidate.

I know they had a woman running in the Primary. I don't know if she will get the nomination or not. Everyone at the central committee meeting seemed to be supporting her.

That would be something I could get behind. (Stop groaning.)

Seriously, a gutsy REAL Woman squaring off against the wannabe Dyketator Hitlery would not only be entertaining it would neutralize the idiots who are voting for Hitlery solely because "Iwannawoman". Of course it might hurt their heads because it force them to actually look at the issues.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-02-11   0:49:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Who is this tigress?

_______  posted on  2008-02-11   0:51:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If no one is worthy, I'll write in Original_Intent.

Only if you promise to put in _______.

It could work.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-02-11   0:53:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You should know I had a major policy change, a huge flip, before you consider writing me in

_______  posted on  2008-02-11   0:55:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Who is this tigress?

Jill St. John (IQ 190 - D Cup)?

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-02-11   0:55:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

FOFLOL

_______  posted on  2008-02-11   0:55:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I registered from Independent to Republican (I was a Republican during most of the 80s, registered I during the Bush-Clinton-Bush years to recently) and never had a problem as a GOP delegate all these years.

I have always been a Republican. American Independent Party is the CA version of the Constitution Party.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-11   1:02:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I figure my 3rd Party has to be a charm! ~rimshot~

_______  posted on  2008-02-11   1:03:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

For now I am keeping my Libertarian registration,

Well they fit my beliefs better but the AIP is the third largest party in CA and I think I can work with them.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-11   1:04:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That would be something I could get behind. (Stop groaning.)

Wasn't groaning just snickering a little.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-11   1:06:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

For now I am keeping my Libertarian registration,

Well they fit my beliefs better but the AIP is the third largest party in CA and I think I can work with them.

Got it. They're not bad people. I don't agree with all of the economic policies, but I have given up on achieving or expecting "ideologic purity".

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-02-11   1:10:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That would be something I could get behind. (Stop groaning.)

Wasn't groaning just snickering a little.

I been a baaaaaaaad boy. Hee, hee.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-02-11   1:11:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Who is this tigress?

I'll have to look it up.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-11   1:14:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'll need a picture of her too, thanks! har

_______  posted on  2008-02-11   1:16:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ron Paul is a human like everyone else. He is not immune from the pressure of threats against his family. I would not even blame him for stopping for those reasons.

Sure, but there were no threats needed. All that was needed is for Ron Paul to continue not getting delegates. Any PTB's would not need to go to the levels you suggest. Why would they, and risk exposure unnecessarily.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-11   1:17:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'll need a picture of her too, thanks!

Don't get me started. I promise you'll regret it.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-11   1:36:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I suspect that maybe Ron Paul was threatened.

If that were the case, he would retire from politics completely, just to be safe.

I mean, who in their right mind would yield to threats about running for prez and still run for congress?

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-11   1:37:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Diane Templin

http://www.aipca.org/

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-11   1:41:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I mean, who in their right mind would yield to threats about running for prez and still run for congress?

He was telling the truth on the floor of Congress and via his legislation for decades and they didn't care. Even let him win his District over and again.

Ron Paul is DANGEROUS on the national stage.

_______  posted on  2008-02-11   1:42:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That photo must be 30 years old.

Thanks.

_______  posted on  2008-02-11   1:43:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I been a baaaaaaaad boy. Hee, hee.

Now why doesn't that surprise me?

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-11   1:44:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ron Paul was the last life raft leaving the Titanic and he shoved off saving himself. That is you and me standing at the rail, with nothing.

You're correct Cyni. Again, we are left with the Final Option. I've already stated this along with quotes from Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry. The time for politics is over. Amerika is on a ventilator....there is NO more time to act within the System.

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IndieTX  posted on  2008-02-11   1:45:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

but I have given up on achieving or expecting "ideologic purity".

Exactly.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-11   1:46:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ignoring the smile and focusing on the eyes - she looks like a very calculating woman.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-02-11   1:56:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

who in their right mind would yield to threats about running for prez and still run for congress?

Someone that was instructed to quit running for prez and run for congress, or else? I dunno, why else would he go so far and then just quit? Sorry, I didn't read the whole thread here. Just that, something's fishy here...

wudidiz  posted on  2008-02-11   2:03:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

she looks like a very calculating woman.

It's still a man's world. Women only control...well...

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-11   2:03:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

ya know, I've read about enough of this bullshit. what a freakin' joke. when has anyone ever done anything worth a shit on a "Third Party" ticket? answer - never. and as for this goddamn Perot genuflecting, give me a fkn' break. he'd be as irrelavant as Nader if he hadn't been spookdaddy's little bitch. wobbly petitioned the CPD to bend the rules and let him into the debates, and that's the only reason he pulled the percentage of votes that he did. right, like the two chosen frauds are going to ask to bend the 15% rule to let Ron anywhere near the final debates if he would go third party. or maybe David Icke's mystical millionaires would beam down all that cash they're sitting on just waiting for him to make his move. pffftttt! oh, wait. I forgot that he is one of "THEM", ya' know. pmlol!

"It's a little bit early to write us off, but I'm not making any predictions that we're going to run away with it, either," he said. "We're going to be continuing the process to remind Republicans what the conservative philosophy is all about."

Paul's spokesman Jesse Benton said the national staff would likely be reduced from 150 to about 50, with those who worked in the Super Tuesday primaries in states such as California being let go.

In addition, Benton said, he and other national staffers will transfer to Paul's congressional re-election operation.

But Benton said that even as Paul wages a primary campaign he will also continue running his presidential campaign in Texas. Three staffers will be assigned to his presidential effort here. He said that the Paul campaign has purchased about $700,000 worth of radio and cable television advertising that is scheduled to start running this week in the Houston, Austin and Dallas-Fort Worth markets.

Benton said that Paul still has about $6 million in his presidential election account. He said the lawmaker cannot transfer that money to his congressional campaign unless he terminates his presidential effort, which he does not intend to do.

But Benton said Paul had recently raised several hundred thousand dollars for his congressional race.

Ron has said repeatedly that he is an "Old Right Republican", like Taft and Goldwater, over the last twelve years that I've been aware of his efforts to do something about the monstrosity that is the federal government. and he has said from the beginning that he was running a dual campaign including his house seat. if people want to read between the lines and fabricate fantasies to their liking, that's their fk'n problem, but he has never misrepresented himself as anything but that. if that ain't good enough, then guess it's just tough shit. cry me a fk'n river.

with Romney 'suspending' his campaign, that screws up the brokered convention strategy because it locks up his delegates, including the ones he just got in Maine and any others he collects because Neds are still supporting him, and different rules apply as to what can be done with them than if he would've dropped out. I'm not really pleased with how Rons run has panned out up till now either, but where the fuck do these people get off with throwing him in front of the train. enjoy the sunshine...

hammerdown  posted on  2008-02-11   2:06:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ignoring the smile and focusing on the eyes - she looks like a very calculating woman.

I think she's hot.

Which is a dead giveaway - she's probably evil incarnate.

wudidiz  posted on  2008-02-11   2:06:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Sorry, I didn't read the whole thread here. Just that, something's fishy here...

You are on agreement with a few of us who believe he was Perot'd.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-11   2:07:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You are on agreement with a few of us...

Nice.

I'm so tired of fighting all the time.

Btw, I certainly don't miss yukon.

wudidiz  posted on  2008-02-11   2:09:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply