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Title: 10. Re-Judaizing Jesus
Source: Time.com
URL Source: http://www.time.com/time/specials/2 ... 720049_1720050_1721663,00.html
Published: Mar 12, 2008
Author: DAVID VAN BIEMA
Post Date: 2008-03-15 14:24:13 by robin
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Views: 359
Comments: 14

Wednesday, Mar. 12, 2008

Re-Judaizing Jesus

By David Van Biema

Recently a popular blogger — let's call him Rabbi Ben — zinged the scholarship of a man we shall call Rabbi Rob. R. Ben claimed R. Rob did not "understand the difference between Judaism prior to the two Jewish wars in the 1st and 2nd centuries A.D. and later Mishnaic and Talmudic Judaism." He helpfully provided a syllabus.

Actually, neither man is a rabbi. (Sorry.) Ben Witherington is a Methodist New Testament scholar, and Rob Bell a rising Michigan megapastor. Yet each regards sources like the Mishnah and Rabbi Akiva as vital to understanding history's best-known Jew: Jesus.

This is seismic. For centuries, the discipline of Christian "Hebraics" consisted primarily of Christians cherry-picking Jewish texts to support the traditionally assumed contradiction between the Jews — whose alleged dry legalism contributed to their fumbling their ancient tribal covenant with God — and Jesus, who personally embodied God's new covenant of love. But today seminaries across the Christian spectrum teach, as Vanderbilt University New Testament scholar Amy-Jill Levine says, that "if you get the [Jewish] context wrong, you will certainly get Jesus wrong."

The shift came in stages: first a brute acceptance that Jesus was born a Jew and did Jewish things; then admission that he and his interpreter Paul saw themselves as Jews even while founding what became another faith; and today, recognition of what the Rev. Bruce Chilton, author of Rabbi Jesus, calls Jesus' passionate dedication "to Jewish ideas of his day" on everything from ritual purity to the ideal of the kingdom of God — ideas he rewove but did not abandon.

What does this mean, practically? At times the resulting adjustment seems simple. For example, Bell thinks he knows the mysterious words Jesus wrote in the dust while defending the adulteress ("He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone," etc.). By Bell's calculation, that showdown occurred at the same time as religious Jews' yearly reading of the prophet Jeremiah's warning that "those who turn from [God] will be written in the dust because they have forsaken [him]." Thus Jesus wrote the crowd's names to warn that their lack of compassion alienated their (and his) God.

A trickier revision for readers involves Paul's Letter to the Romans, forever a key Christian text on sin and Christ's salvific grace. Yet this reading necessitates skipping over what seems like extraneous material in Chapters 9 through 11, which are about the Jews. Increasingly, says Jason Byassee, an editor at the Christian Century,, scholars now read Romans through those chapters, as a musing by a lifelong Jew on how God can fulfill his biblical covenant with Israel even if it does not accept His son. Byassee the theologian agrees. But as a Methodist pastor, he frets that Romans "is no longer really about Gentile Christians. How do you preach it?"

That's not a frivolous query. Ideally, the reassessment should increase both Jewish-Christian amity and gospel clarity, things that won't happen if regular Christians feel that in rediscovering Jesus the Jew, they have lost Christ. Yet Bell finds this particular genie so logically powerful that he has no wish to rebottle it. Once in, he says, "you're in deep. You're hooked. 'Cause you can't ever read it the same way again.

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#1. To: robin (#0)

Just goes to show what Goethe put into the mouth of Faust:

"My friend, the past is a book with seven seals. What you call the past, is in fact your own ideas, which you read into the past."


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2008-03-15   14:49:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: robin (#0)

John 8:44

You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.

The stupider people are the more surprised they are when you kill them.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2008-03-15   15:30:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: robin (#0)

This is all very nice, I suppose, but a complete waste of time because Jesus never existed.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-15   16:01:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: nobody (#3)

Odd, isn't it that even the Jews recognize Jesus as existing; that they didn't accept him as messiah is a different matter.

And yet, 'nobody' would have everyone believe he/she/it is more informed than the Jews of that era, or of more recent vintage.

Turn your back on the sun and you only see the shadows.

rowdee  posted on  2008-03-15   17:05:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: robin (#0)

The Bible is an intellectual neutering device, useful in controlling idiots.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-15   17:20:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: robin (#0)

Jesus was a 'Judean', not a Jew.

During His lifetime, no persons were described as "Jews" anywhere. That fact is supported by theology, history and science. When Jesus was in Judea, it was not the "homeland" of the ancestors of those who today style themselves "Jews". Their ancestors never set a foot in Judea. They existed at that time in Asia, their "homeland", and were known as Khazars. In none of the manuscripts of the original Old or New Testament was Jesus described or referred to as a "Jew". The term originated in the late eighteenth century as an abbreviation of the term Judean and refers to a resident of Judea without regard to race or religion, just as the term "Texan" signifies a person living in Texas.

In spite of the powerful propaganda effort of the so-called "Jews", they have been unable to prove in recorded history that there is one record, prior to that period, of a race religion or nationality, referred to as "Jew". The religious sect in Judea, in the time of Jesus, to which self-styled "Jews" today refer to as "Jews", were known as "Pharisees". "Judaism" today and "Pharisaism" in the time of Jesus are the same.

Jesus abhorred and denounced "Pharisaism"; hence the words, "Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites, Ye Serpents, Ye Generation of Vipers".

Rube Goldberg  posted on  2008-03-15   21:14:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Rube Goldberg (#6)

The sign above his cross also read, "King of the Judeans," not "King of the Jews."

The stupider people are the more surprised they are when you kill them.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2008-03-15   21:23:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: robin (#0)

Who was the First Jew?

John Standring

We know that Saul was the first king of Israel and that John was the first man called Baptist, but who was the first Jew? Neither Adam, Seth or Noah are called Jew. Nor were Abraham, Isaac or Jacob. Moses was not called a Jew and neither were Saul, David or Solomon called Jew. In fact you will not find the word Jew in the first eleven books of the Bible. The first time Jews are mentioned in the Bible, is in II Kings 16:6 (and then only in translations revised in the eighteenth century) where we find Israel was at war with the Jews and drave the Jews from Elath. Isn't it interesting that we can read over five hundred pages of the Bible before we find a Jew anywhere, yet those who call themselves Jew today claim the first five books of the bible and call it their Torah. Do you not find it rather strange that those who claim to have written the first five books of the Bible and call themselves Jew, can't find the word Jew written anywhere in the book they call their own bible, and claim to have written? Jesus Christ tells John in Revelation 2:9 "I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews and are not, but are the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN". We know that God changed the name of Abram to Abraham in Genesis 17:5, and that He changed the name of Jacob to Israel in Genesis 32:28, but nowhere in the Bible do we find where God changed the name of Israel to Jew! There is therefore no authority by which those who say they are Jews can claim to be Israel!

Rube Goldberg  posted on  2008-03-15   21:23:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Rube Goldberg (#8)

Do you not find it rather strange that those who claim to have written the first five books of the Bible and call themselves Jew, can't find the word Jew written anywhere in the book they call their own bible, and claim to have written?

hmmmmm..interesting factoid

christine  posted on  2008-03-15   23:25:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Rube Goldberg (#6)

"Judaism" today and "Pharisaism" in the time of Jesus are the same.

Ayup.

Jesus was not a big fan of the organized religion in that time and place.

Question Diversity.

Tauzero  posted on  2008-03-16   0:28:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Rube Goldberg (#8)

I don't believe it is any stranger than christians being called something else, or christianity being called somethig else. The Way is what christianity was originally labeled.

They were also called ekklesia, or outcalled ones. We don't hear that much today, either.

I also disagree with your idea that the 'jews' of Jesus time were just pharisees. The pharisees were the fanatics on adhering to the law that they, priests, and scribes over time had so drawn up they worshipped the law rather than God. And it is that which Jesus was condemning.

There were also Sadducees, and Ebionites.

Turn your back on the sun and you only see the shadows.

rowdee  posted on  2008-03-16   1:15:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: christine (#9)

Do you not find it rather strange that those who claim to have written the first five books of the Bible and call themselves Jew, can't find the word Jew written anywhere in the book they call their own bible, and claim to have written? hmmmmm..interesting factoid

It would be more interesting if it was coupled with the fact that Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Bible, and he was long before anyone used the term 'jew'.

Of course, that was long before there was even a land of Judah, or Judea, that would/could/should even have a people taking a derivative of the word to call themselves, i.e., Judeans, Judahites, or Jews.

Moses never entered the land given the Israelites. The exodus is estimated to have happened, I believe, about 1250 years prior to the birth of Christ. IIRC, it is attributed to the Babylonians, ca 600 BC, the use of the word 'jew', after they had taken them into captivity....no doubt abbreviated, or shortened, or a derivative of the word Judea, where Jerusalem is located, and from hence all the captives were taken.

Turn your back on the sun and you only see the shadows.

rowdee  posted on  2008-03-16   12:08:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: robin (#0) (Edited)

This is seismic. For centuries, the discipline of Christian "Hebraics" consisted primarily of Christians cherry-picking Jewish texts to support the traditionally assumed contradiction between the Jews — whose alleged dry legalism contributed to their fumbling their ancient tribal covenant with God — and Jesus, who personally embodied God's new covenant of love. But today seminaries across the Christian spectrum teach, as Vanderbilt University New Testament scholar Amy-Jill Levine says, that "if you get the [Jewish] context wrong, you will certainly get Jesus wrong."

The shift came in stages: first a brute acceptance that Jesus was born a Jew and did Jewish things; then admission that he and his interpreter Paul saw themselves as Jews even while founding what became another faith; and today, recognition of what the Rev. Bruce Chilton, author of Rabbi Jesus, calls Jesus' passionate dedication "to Jewish ideas of his day" on everything from ritual purity to the ideal of the kingdom of God — ideas he rewove but did not abandon. ....

A trickier revision for readers involves Paul's Letter to the Romans, forever a key Christian text on sin and Christ's salvific grace. Yet this reading necessitates skipping over what seems like extraneous material in Chapters 9 through 11, which are about the Jews. Increasingly, says Jason Byassee, an editor at the Christian Century,, scholars now read Romans through those chapters, as a musing by a lifelong Jew on how God can fulfill his biblical covenant with Israel even if it does not accept His son. Byassee the theologian agrees. But as a Methodist pastor, he frets that Romans "is no longer really about Gentile Christians. How do you preach it?"

interesting article.....major, major deception playing out.

[I think there is a good expose on this Judaizing of Jesus entitled The Hebrew Roots Movement at http://watch.pair.com ]

This is the reason for wars. This is the reasoning behind apostate "Judeo-Christianity", an invention of the Jews. This is the reasoning behind monarchy and the king/queen's "divine right to rule". This is British-Israelism. This is the Judaic version of "The Scepter of Judah". This is the reaoning behind the "Noahide Laws". This is Zionism wielding "Christian" Fascism as a club over the whole world. This is what God is talking about in Psalm 2. This is what the author L. B. Woolfolk was referring to in his 1889 book, The Great Red Dragon:

"....2. but the special reason why the dragon is designated by the name “titan,” is its antagonism to god .

1) The Titans, according to the Heathen legend, warred against Jupiter, and hurled their missiles against Olympus ; and they were only beaten, at last, by Jupiter smiting them with his thunderbolts . Titan according to the legend, was the king of the Titans, and was thus the Arch-rebel against the gods .

2) It is believed that the legendary war of the Titans against the gods, was the heathen mythological form of the rebellion of Satan and his angels against God . So that, the Satan of the Bible is the mythological Titan .

3) In the biblical idea, Satan is embodied in the serpent . And the Dragon, in the book of Revelation, is called the Devil and Satan . This indicates that the Dragon symbolizes that power which, in the political world, is the great antagonist of God, as Satan is in the spiritual world .

4) The Dragon is the Great Antichristian Power of the Latter Days . In its full development, the head of the Dragon power is the Antichrist .

1] We have seen how the Jews are even now hoping and expecting to overthrow Christianity . A very intelligent Jew once, in the heat of discussion, gave me the idea of the Christ which the modern “reformed” Jew holds . He said the prosperity of the Jews in the earth—he did not choose to say their dominion—is what is set forth in the writings of the Prophets under the figure of the Christ .

In the Jewish idea, the Dominion of the Jew Money Power is the Christ . And, at the least, I think that the head or king of the Money Power will claim to be the Christ .

Christ means “The Anointed One,” in allusion to his being the promised royal descendant of David, the promised King of Israel . The Money Power, it seems, will at last choose a king, who is to be the acknowledged king of Israel,—the long expected, the long promised One,—the Christ . They will not claim that he is Divine or the Son of God . For they deny that, in the Deity, there is the relation of Father and Son . They deny the Divine Trinity . They “deny the Father and the Son .” They recognize only the unity of God .

The Jews have always expected a temporal sovereign as the Christ . They rejected the Lord Jesus, because He said “My Kingdom is not of this world .” They expect a Christ whose kingdom is of this world—who is merely a temporal monarch . The time will probably come when, in the plenitude of its power, the Jew Money Power will set up a king, and declare him the promised Messiah . **** They will declare him the founder of a new Dynasty that is to rule the earth forever .

They will proclaim him the first of a line of kings,—Anointed Ones,—who, in their expectation, will all bear the title of “the Christs” ; as the kings of Egypt were called “the Pharaohs,” and the emperors of Rome, “the Caesars .”—The present attitude of the Jew Money Power is a stern menace to Christianity .

2] The Jew London Money Kings would break down our churches . In monopolizing the trade of our towns, and getting possession of our farms, the Money Power hopes to succeed in accomplishing the aims against Christianity which the Jews are known to entertain . If the Money Power should succeed in its aims, our churches will inevitably be broken down . Strike down our farming yeomanry and the tradesmen of our towns, and who would sustain our churches ? our schools ? Our churches in town and country would be pastorless for want of support . Our school systems would fall into wreck in the universal poverty that would prevail . Our Christian civilization would lie in ruins .

**** It is well known that the Jews, in our day, entertain strong hope of overthrowing Christianity .—Prof. Godet, of Lausanne, utters the following warning of the danger threatening Christendom from the hostility of the Jews . He says :—

”On hearing this word 'Jewish,' many of you perhaps smile . That which bears that title does not seem to them very dangerous for the Church . They do not say, 'Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth ?' but 'Can anything dangerous to us come out from thence ?' To this contemptuous smile, I will oppose another, that of the Israelites themselves,—I mean the intelligent Israelites,—when they see us Christians bestirring ourselves for the propagation of the gospel, * * * * * and carrying the religion of the Bible to the ends of the earth . 'This religion,' they say quietly, 'is our religion . All these pains you are taking for us . * * * * * For the God of the Christian is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,—the God of the Jews . **** The doctrine of Jesus is none other than that of our prophets . One thing only separates us from these Christians,—the worship of the Christ . Let this absurd dogma of the divinity of a man,one that is contrary to the most elementary principles of Monotheism,let this last remnant of the ancient paganism living on in Christianity fall to the ground, and the gospel, thus purified, is Judaism . Christians, we are waiting for you ! It is not we who are coming over to you ; it is you who are coming over to us .' * * * * * So think, and so speak clear sighted Jews .” (1)

Inspector Lictor Platt, in a recent course of lectures before the University of Berlin, said :—

**** “Everywhere one thought rules the Jews—the thought that the Christian idea shall at last be vanquished by the Jewish ; and their common effort is directed to this end,—to supplant Christianity in the collective life of the nations .”(2)

The Christian Editor of one of the leading evangelical papers of North Germany writes in the same strain :

“Among the Jews themselves, the conclusion is reached, not that the Jews will have to return to Christianity, but that the Christians will have to be turned to the Jewish faith .”—Neue Evang. Kirchen-Zeitung, Feb. 4, 1882 .

A Jewish writer, quoted in the same paper, asserts with all assurance “Reformed Judaism is the confession to which the dominating church must return, if she will complete her reformation .”—Neue Evang. Kirchen-Zeitung, Nov. 19, 1881 .

I have taken the above quotations from Dr. Kellogg's book, The Jews . The author of that work says :

“This attitude of aggressive antagonism to Christianity, which the Jews are assuming, however little noticed by the unthinking many who never look behind acts and events for agents and causes, is a sign of the times as grave as it is remarkable . **** The confident expectation and determination of these enfranchised Jews, that not Christianity, but Judaism,—divested indeed of what was ceremonial and temporary,—shall yet win the world against Christianity, when we remember their control of the Capital of the world, their profits, and their confessedly marvellous success in modern life, acquires a serious significance .”—The Jews, page 210 .

**** The Jews are fully conscious of their Imperialism of Capital, and are looking forward to the time when, in full possession of all the industry, and wealth and property of the world, they can give entire direction to secular affairs, and form to religious belief . Let them get possession of our farms, and the business of our towns, and they will not hesitate to attempt to crush out our churches, by reducing their members to such poverty that they will be unable to sustain the expense of public worship ......."

If the Dragon empire, in its ultimate development, is the Antichrist, there is a peculiar fitness in Divine Inspiration calling it “Titan,” the Satan of heathen mythology .

The Greeks had a well known method of expressing names by numbers . Each letter of the alphabet had as its equivalent a definite number . According to this system, the name Titan has the number 666 . The Greek spelling of the name was Teitan . The numeral equivalent of these letters are as follows :

T 300 + 5 + 10 + 300 + 1 + 50=666,......"

2.4 Proof That the Dragon is the Symbol of the London Money Power (Continued)

http://iamthewitness.com/books/L...Money.Power.Continued.htm

This whole idea is furthered in some websites I have just recently run across. The following website is quite large, and twists the Word of God to "reveal" that Christ allowed Himself to be murdered by the Synagogue of Satan, and the kingdom taken from them, in order that the Synagogue of Satan ["Judah" + the "House of Israel" , i.e., the "Ten Tribes" (this is Christian Identity), = (Judeo) "British-Israel"] could receive the kingdom and rule the world. This is a totally illogical lie. They have conveniently summed up their website here:

"....Commit yourselves fully to the Calling of YAHU’SHUAH – which is BACK into Covenant together with Judah. This will require in-depth knowledge of His Torah. The Body of Returning 10-Israel, as the ‘dominion of YHVH’, therefore has to subject themselves to the learning, teaching and authority of Judah’s ‘elohim’ – the judges and rulers

– the Mechoqeck of YHVH

– the Sanctuary of YHVH

Final Conclusion

Gen. 49:10 “The Sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a Lawgiver (Mechoqeck) from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the obedience of the people (the nations) be.”

Summarising our findings from this study, it would be reasonable to suggest a descriptive alternate for this text as follows:

“The tribal Identity shall not depart from Judah, nor his judicial and educational authority (Mechoqeck) from between his feet, until One like the Son of Man (returning 10-Israel) comes; and unto him (ultimate re-united 12-Israel) shall the obedience of the nations be.”

[ATKHWDI Note: who is the Son of God/Son of Man? why the Jews, of course, all of them....just see http://noahide.com/son.htm (html?)]

What a Calling!!!! What a Great designation to miss out on if we fail!

PS. To anyone who assumes that this suggests a diminishing of the Role of Messiah YAHU’SHUAH, let it be known, that without His Reconciliatory feat and accomplishment, the fulfilment of this Calling would not have been possible and would never come about!"

http://www.revelations.org.za/Mechoqeck.htm

They are saying that He is doing the work of the Devil...blasphemy of the highest order.

Now if you follow their links, they will take you to a site that explains, surprise, surprise, that the Noahide Laws will be the laws the Jews use to bring obedience to the gentiles. These laws, of course, preach that Christ's brethren, the Christians, must be killed for worshipping Him. The Noahide Laws, of course, are the invention of the rabbis, who are the continuation of the ancient Pharisees, who Christ said made the word of God of no effect by their traditions, and that they were of their father the Devil, who was a liar and a murderer from the beginning.

They also reveal, although they may not have meant to, the plot to involve America in their war against Islam, and the consequent destruction of US troops there. [Recall another of their lying arms issued the Megillat Bush scroll, basically addressing Bush as Gog, and ordering him to send his troops to defend Israel and rout the Islamic hordes.] Here, the ingrates accuse the USA of trying to turn Israel over to the Palestinians. (It must be hard to constantly talk out of both sides of the mouth...every once in a while one slips up):

"Will mankind be so obstinate as to oppose God's Decree right unto an Armageddon confrontation with Him?

Why do so many refuse to accept His Invitation to become part of His future Universal Kingdom of Peace over all nations from Jerusalem?

While opposing God's current re-establishment of Jerusalem under Covenantal Jewish rule, as prophesied - mankind will soon be deceived into accepting non-Jewish rule over His Holy City - thereby bringing down the Wrath of God!

The Divine Purpose of the perpetuation of Israel throughout thousands of years, and the eventual establishment of a Holy universal Kingdom with Headquarters in Jerusalem, is the main theme of Prophetic Script. Chapter 20 of the Book of Ezekiel superbly summarises the history of Israel and the contentious issue of God's relationship with this amazing nation. It also reveals the main reason why the Almighty has endured the nation of Israel for all that they have done in failing Him so often, and why He is busy resurrecting the actual Land of Eretz Israel and the City of Jerusalem in the sight of all nations.

It should therefore be expected, that opposing forces will direct their efforts at thwarting the re-establishment and rebuilding of Jerusalem in preparation for this Divine Purpose. If this process, which started with the regathering and resettlement of Israel in its ancient Homeland over the last 70 years, could be stopped or reversed, *** as it is the intentions currently of the Palestinians, the Arabs, all member nations of the UN **** and the mighty USA, then the Creator God will have failed in His Divine Promise for mankind......"

http://www.revelations.org.za/Kingdom.htm

The Alex Rothschild scepterofjudah site, also, on the one hand, speaks of its right-hand man in vanquishing the nations, the USA, one minute, and the next minute, a buried scripture reveals that Gog and his troops will be killed and be a sacrifice for the vultures, the next. [ http://scepterofjudah.net/SJtract1-91.html ] [Well, we can bet "Gog" won't be there; he'll be pumping his fist and drinking margaritas back in Paraguay, and watching from his armchair seat in front of his big-screen TV.].

So many twists and turns in this diabolical plot, it's hard to figure out when US troops will be called on to enforce "Christian Zionism", and perform the targeted eliminations of the folks who won't go along:

"...RESOLUTION Judeo-Christian Evangelism to All Nations, Targeted Eliminations, and Behavioral Corrections, Worldwide...."

http://scepterofjudah.net/SJtract1-32.html

This is an interesting page....under the American Flag is Daniel 7:27:

Daniel 7:27 Then the sovereignty, the dominion and the greatness ... And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, ...

So wth does this mean? Maybe after they have dispossessed the Christians through their thouroughly engineered crash of the economy and the ensuing chaos, requiring aid from outside troops to quell the disturbances, they will reveal America as their Zion, as one of their own professed long ago: "America is our Zion." That could explain why the Queen [ freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...gi?ArtNum=75913&Disp=2#C2 ] is buying up all that land in Colorado around the satanic Denver Airport.

Anyway, that's some of what's going on behind the scenes in this very deceptive movement, which is the culmination of 2,000 years' effort to dethrone Christ and Christianity and Christians. That's the whole reason for the 'NWO'; all the rest of their lies, theft, and murder is a sideshow, and a means to an end for their g-d Satan. But as Jesus, said, "the gates of hell shall not prevail......"

Isaiah 65:15: You will leave your name for a curse unto my chosen, for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call His servants by another name. Has its mate in John 15:15-16. He has called us, whom He has chosen, His friends, for as Abraham, we believed God, and it is accounted to us for righteousness, and Abraham was a friend of God. Galatians 3:16-29. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs to the promise.

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President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-03-17   14:23:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#13)

There's a whole lot of cherry pickin' goin' on.

'Individuals should not take responsibility for their own defense. That’s what the police are for. ... If I oppose individuals defending themselves, I have to support police defending them. I have to support a police state.”' Alan Dershowitz

robin  posted on  2008-03-17   14:25:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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