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Title: Ron Paul on Monday Night (03/24/08) Coast to Coast AM Show
Source: Coast to Coast AM
URL Source: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
Published: Mar 23, 2008
Author: George Noory
Post Date: 2008-03-23 22:17:34 by TwentyTwelve
Keywords: Ron Paul
Views: 788
Comments: 57

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#17. To: wudidiz (#16)

Showin' off my new tagline...

Change is good.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-03-24   23:36:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: TwentyTwelve (#17)

LOL

You didn't like the last one?


"I would not run round a corner to see the world blow up." ~ Henry David Thoreau

wudidiz  posted on  2008-03-25   0:01:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: TwentyTwelve (#15)

are you listening? has Ron Paul been on? i just tuned in to the AM station here in Austin and it's not Ron Paul.

christine  posted on  2008-03-25   0:35:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: christine (#19) (Edited)

Ron Paul on now. 1220

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

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"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2008-03-25   0:59:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: christine (#19)

are you listening? has Ron Paul been on? i just tuned in to the AM station here in Austin and it's not Ron Paul.

C2C starts at 12:07 am CST; in seven minutes from now.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-03-25   1:00:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: wudidiz (#18)

You didn't like the last one?

I like the new one better.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-03-25   1:01:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: TwentyTwelve (#22) (Edited)

LOL!

Okay.

Me too.


"I would not run round a corner to see the world blow up." ~ Henry David Thoreau

wudidiz  posted on  2008-03-25   1:04:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Artisan, christine, rowdee, robin, Jethro Tull, lodwick buckeye, Dagmar, iconoclast (#9)

1. Why did you recently refer to the issues raised by the 911 truth movement as 'preposterous' when you had previously said, a few months prior, to a 911 truth activist, that government can't be trusted and that you stand with Kucinich in supporting a new impartial investigation into 9/11? What made you so drastically change your position on this issue?

Which message of Ron Paul's are the PTB deathly afraid that the people will hear?

What's the best way to make sure that the people never hear it?

If Ron Paul dares to confirm our and his suspicions about 9/11 without the proof in his hand the moment he says it then the MSM would fill the airways with deafening shrieks of simulated outrage and drive the 90 percentile away from the candidate.

The only people who would benefit from Paul being completely candid about 9/11 now would be 1) those who don't care about winning, but who just don't want to be "alone" in kook korner anymore, and 2) the goddam enemy who will do anything to crush Ron Paul!

Those who keep insisting that Ron Paul "come clean on the campaign trail" either don't understand or are so goddam blinded by their own egocentric wishes that they simply don't care enough to trust Ron Paul's professional instincts on this "sudden death" issue.

So, yeah, go ahead and start trying to corner Ron Paul before the convention just to make absolutely sure that there's no prayer of him winning even if McCain walks out in a SRV flag diaper and confesses to treason. After all you know what's really important and, how to save America.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-03-25   4:42:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Red Jones (#1)

That show has more ridiculous stuff on it that is just outright foolishness.

I agree with you to a point. OTOH Ron Paul's message needs exposure and most people should be able to separate the ridiculous from the rational. People find some things entertaining just to consider.

I pretty much quit listening to Coast 12-13 years ago when Bell started chasing chubacabras and big foot. I definitely see your point, but the upside is that millions of people will get more familiar with Ron Paul, as they have with Alex Jones, and once alerted are able to become more educated on the subjects being spoken about. There may be some drawbacks but overall it's a win.

I've heard that many have made a career from a guest shot on Coast.

And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner

noone222  posted on  2008-03-25   5:08:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: noone222 (#25)

I've heard that many have made a career from a guest shot on Coast.

I would imagine so. It seems like a racket. I only listen rarely if I can't sleep. but I've heard some wild stuff. and some guests do over a period of years tell a successive series of wild stories. and I remember when Art Bell was arrested on sex charges a 10-12 years ago. that show is 'under the influence'. when a guy says he specializes in 'remote viewing' where he can see things halfway round the world, and he says for 10+ years he trained people in the US Army to do this technique, then you know the US Army is even cooperating with the scam.

1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Red Jones  posted on  2008-03-25   7:54:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: HOUNDDAWG, all (#24)

I have no idea what RP said last night, I'll listen later today (I subscribe to C2C, so I can get in in archive), but I'd argue that the end result of Paul's retreat from the battlefield has further fractured our side, a la, Perot and Buchanan before him. The members of RP's Revolution that haven't as yet chucked it in, are a leaderless few, trying desperately to resuscitate what was a once viable money making machine, capable of launching a 3rd party alternative to the National Party. RP himself said he never expected his candidacy to take off as it did, and when it did, the lack of fire in the belly was appalling to me at least. Leo Durocher must have had RP in mind when he said, "nice guys finish last."

If RP wins his House seat in Nov., and chooses to remain in the Republican party, rather than go Independent, he is just another in a long line of political patriot hopes, sent into the fray to gauge the level of discontent, only to retreat back to safety when their mission is complete.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-25   8:20:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: HOUNDDAWG, Artisan (#24)

the point is that it is possible to get through, as i did on my first and only try. (Artisan, post #5)

What does that tell us?

Who listens to the "Art Bell" show besides insomniac loopies?

Dr. Paul's mere appearance there is just an epilogue to his brilliant campaign strategies.

The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-25   8:37:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jethro Tull (#27)

I have to thank Patrick J. Buchanan for curing me of ever again having the urge to contribute to a "maverick" candidate, so I wasted not one thin dime on Dr. Paul's effort.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-03-25   8:46:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Sam Houston (#29)

I have to thank Patrick J. Buchanan for curing me of ever again having the urge to contribute to a "maverick" candidate, so I wasted not one thin dime on Dr. Paul's effort.

Boy do I hear you, altho I did kick in a few to RP knowing full well it was a complete waste. Never, ever again will I use my beer money on something so useless :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-03-25   8:51:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Jethro Tull (#27)

I have no idea what RP said last night, I'll listen later today (I subscribe to C2C, so I can get in in archive), but I'd argue that the end result of Paul's retreat from the battlefield has further fractured our side, a la, Perot and Buchanan before him. The members of RP's Revolution that haven't as yet chucked it in, are a leaderless few, trying desperately to resuscitate what was a once viable money making machine, capable of launching a 3rd party alternative to the National Party. RP himself said he never expected his candidacy to take off as it did, and when it did, the lack of fire in the belly was appalling to me at least. Leo Durocher must have had RP in mind when he said, "nice guys finish last."

If RP wins his House seat in Nov., and chooses to remain in the Republican party, rather than go Independent, he is just another in a long line of political patriot hopes, sent into the fray to gauge the level of discontent, only to retreat back to safety when their mission is complete.

I'm sorry to say that I have no imperial evidence with which to counter your unflattering assessment of him.

I can only say that after all of these years living between the twixt & the twain he really wasn't comfy with the idea of trying to make them meet after it became apparent just what an awesome responsibility it would be. (not to mention that his life wouldn't be worth a CrackerJacks toy if he was the man who finally stuck it to the murdering federal reserve lizards)

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-03-25   16:58:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: iconoclast, Artisan, Jethro Tull (#28)

the point is that it is possible to get through, as i did on my first and only try. (Artisan, post #5)

What does that tell us?

Who listens to the "Art Bell" show besides insomniac loopies?

Dr. Paul's mere appearance there is just an epilogue to his brilliant campaign strategies.

Actually, this is quite astute, almost brilliant in fact.

Paul is no doubt relieved to be back in the warm, safe comfort of his life as "the honest congressman".

He led millions to believe that he wanted it bad. Understandably, it now appears that he had second thoughts once it grew into a monster that frightened him. He didn't really want to be the quixotic little man who tried to reverse the course of the march for world banker domination "who died a horrible death when _____________________(fill in the blank)"

When his own district residents told him that they want him as their rep but not their president he may have realized that millions worldwide were pinning their hopes on little more than their impressions of a Rorschach image, and he could not change the world but he could get killed for trying.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-03-25   17:29:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: HOUNDDAWG, robin, christine (#24)

The only people who would benefit from Paul being completely candid about 9/11 now would be 1) those who don't care about winning, but who just don't want to be "alone" in kook korner anymore, and 2) the goddam enemy who will do anything to crush Ron Paul!

Those who keep insisting that Ron Paul "come clean on the campaign trail" either don't understand or are so goddam blinded by their own egocentric wishes that they simply don't care enough to trust Ron Paul's professional instincts on this "sudden death" issue.

I actually had thought about it last night, asked my wife what she thought, and decided against it. I did not call into the show and confront him on the 911 issue. Because I do respect Paul and as i've discussed before, I understand his decision on how to deal with the 911 conspiracy issue.

You might find this thread interesting which touches on the same topic- posted by honway, someone I respect a great deal.

Ron Paul: Idiot or Coward?

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-25   19:32:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Artisan (#33)

I actually had thought about it last night, asked my wife what she thought, and decided against it. I did not call into the show and confront him on the 911 issue. Because I do respect Paul and as i've discussed before, I understand his decision on how to deal with the 911 conspiracy issue.

Art...

If you recall two or so times, Paul made a statement that to me satisfied my 9/11 interest. He said very emphatically, "If I am elected President, I will open ALL the books"....

Many people seemed not to understand or accept that as his way of saying, "I will help to discover any wrong doing".... to me that was sufficient.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-25   19:40:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: iconoclast (#28)

Who listens to the "Art Bell" show besides insomniac loopies?

Art bell is not the host anymore. Coast to coast is one of the most widely listened to radio shows in the U.S., so that's a lot of 'insomniac kooks'. Norry has a sort of hands off appraoch and simply let's guests share their information, so they have a lot of good info on the new world order, govt corruption, vaccines, RFID, vote fraud, etc. to a wide audience which may not otherwise hear it. His show runs on CLEARCHANNEL stations which are otherwise dominated by GOP neocons.

for example, from 2006. Aaron Russo.:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2006/05/15.html

Recap
Taxes & the Erosion of Freedom Former Libertarian presidential candidate and filmmaker, Aaron Russo, argued that the American system has become fascistic and that there is no specific law that mandates paying taxes on labor. The IRS claims the 16th Amendment gave them the right to impose taxes, yet eight different Supreme Court decisions said you couldn't use an amendment to tax people, he reported. Further, Russo noted that Americans' tax contributions end up merely paying interest on the national debt rather than for actual infrastructure and services.

Big government is controlling people through the Federal Reserve, which he suggested should be eliminated. Instead, he believes the government should return to printing money backed up by their own gold reserves. Russo expressed concerns that we are increasingly moving towards a one-world government, where all money will be digitized, and people will be as slaves to their controllers. It's time to "create a new paradigm," he urged, where citizens can take back the power that was originally secured for them in the Constitution. To that end, his new documentary, America: From Freedom to Fascism is a call to action.

Voting Machine Update
First half-hour guest, researcher and author Bev Harris discussed security problems with Diebold's electronic voting machines. She revealed that their software had three levels of backdoor access, and while Diebold has responded that they plan to make changes, Harris said that the problem is bigger than what they are admitting. For more, see her full report.

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-25   19:47:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Cynicom (#34)

It's sad to think of how much hope he inspired, and how so much of it has been lost now.

buckeye  posted on  2008-03-25   19:47:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Cynicom (#34)

right. But as the mainstream media kept pressing him, and in nearly every interview the neocon host would ask Paul almost the identical question, about 911 conspiracies and then they would specifically mention Alex Jones. I have a collection of these interviews from different networks, radio and TV both. it was as if they all had a master script. as they kept asking, i think he got annoyed and as time went on, further distanced himself from the issue, in the end calling the idea 'presposterous'.

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-25   19:52:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: buckeye (#36)

have you ever seen the clip of Paul in 1988 shouting about 'george bush and the CIA dealing in drugs"? ;-D

Before I saw that, I liked Paul, but he had always seemed to passive and meek. when I saw that clip, i could finally relate to him and liked him better than before.

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-25   19:55:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: buckeye (#36)

buck...

People like Paul have been sounding the alarm for a hundred years now, somehow I suspect someone else will take up the cause in Pauls place.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-25   19:55:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Artisan (#37)

right. But as the mainstream media kept pressing him

Paul is a good and decent man, difficult to be that and a politician.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-25   19:57:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: buckeye, robin, *Alex Jones* (#36)

here is the audio RON PAUL WITH GEORGE NOORY- 36 MINUTES

www.ronpaulaudio.com/hotspot.htm l

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-25   20:02:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Cynicom (#39)

Maybe G Edward Griffin could run next time? He was on Michael Badnarik's show this morning for 2 hours, it was one of the best and most interesting interviews I've heard of Griffin. archives on WTPRN.COM

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-25   20:04:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: TwentyTwelve (#0)

Audio archive: (from DailyPaul.com)

207.44.144.49/~ronpaula/R...astGeorgeNoorey032408.m3u

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-25   20:08:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Artisan (#42)

Griffin's 74, isn't he?

christine  posted on  2008-03-25   20:09:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: christine (#44)

Oh really? I didn't know that. he appeared to be younger than that to me. back to the drawing board. ;-/ lol

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-25   20:24:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: TwentyTwelve (#0)

Ron Paul speaks

He speaks with the forked tongue of the politician, makes no difference the party, they are both the same, tied to the apron stings of the corporations that put them in office and expect favors to line their checking accounts. Ron Paul hold nothing for me or the other disinchanted in America today. He is a sick joke. We must overturn the election process and the two party system or no one is worth listening too!

DrStrange  posted on  2008-03-25   20:27:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Artisan (#38)

...have you ever seen the clip

Yes.

buckeye  posted on  2008-03-25   21:15:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Red Jones (#26)

I remember when Art Bell was arrested on sex charges a 10-12 years ago. that show is 'under the influence'.

Bell had his son's teacher arrested for giving him pot and there were charges of sexual misconduct on the part of the teacher. Bell also sued someone over sexual accusations made against him, and I believe he (Bell) won.

I too think Bell has been co-opted by government, or at least his program has been. I wrote Bell many times and was even on his program for 30-45 minutes one night back in the mid 90's. (Before he went paranormal). I don't recall that he was ever arrested ... I'll google it later.

His wife's death and his almost immediate remarriage in the Philipines (where he had moved) struck me as weird too. His wife (Ramona was 47 years old and died of asthma).

And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner

noone222  posted on  2008-03-26   2:57:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: noone222 (#48)

I concur with you that Art Bell's show was much better years ago. I remember back in summer of 1994 I was on a schedule where I was up all night and listened to him every night. and it was a great show. He would take all calls with no screener whatsoever. he would just pick up the phone & say hello to each caller and he would engage each caller on the subject they were interested in. He had no limits. and then he started having limits based on people calling in & talking about Clinton scandals. The very first guy I remember him censoring was the guy from Montana who called every night with a bible quote and short bible lesson. but his show is nothing like it was back then.

Yes, its true that Art bell really was arrested on child molestation charges. It was right on the national news somewhere around 1998. The national news said he was arrested on child molestation charges and held in solitary confinement. He was only in jail for about 3-4 days. After that they let him go and they explained in a big story that it was all a mistake. Art Bell matched the description of a man who had been socializing with Bell's teen son and the teen son's friends. The teenagers said this other guy had been giving them drugs and engaging them in sex. The description the teens gave also fit Art Bell. So the police arrested Art Bell. This is a crazy story I'm telling you in that the police couldn't possibly have made such a mistake. Yet this is the story they gave when they released him.

Look, he was in jail, the national news was saying that he was a child molester, then he was released. You know they put some heavy pressure on him & he yielded. I would yield too under those conditions.

After this jail stint he was off the air for a long time. They brought in George Noory as the top guy. Then they paid him a huge amount of money to buy his show from him. Then he became a part-time host.

That is really something that you were on his show for 30 minutes.

1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Red Jones  posted on  2008-03-26   7:44:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: noone222 (#48)

you know regarding those stories that were in fact in the news about Bell being arrested - I remember hearing it on the national news on the radio. I'm certain the story was exactly as I told you. I thought that it was so odd when they released him and had the elaborate story about mistaken identity.

You'll probably search for those stories. Who knows if they're still available? some stories just go down a black hole.

1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Red Jones  posted on  2008-03-26   7:46:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Red Jones (#49)

You could be right. I just don't recall his being arrested. I do recall his son was the central figure in a molestation situation. I too listened most every night back in those days, but it was political.

I was on Coast that night debating a guy named Steve about the Montana Freemen. I had faxed Bell with some info regarding my knowledge of what the Freemen were doing and he called me at home to participate in a debate on air. It went on for quite awhile. When Bell called I had a feeling it would be him, so I answered "West of the Urals". [I often accused Bell of being a 99th degreee Mason.]

I know Wm Cooper also hated Bell. (Heidi Fleiss (another whore) was recently arrested in Pahrump !)

I did find this: www.stephenleary.com/sleep.html

On April 3, Stephens was the guest on Oates' Saturday night radio show. It was a planned attack on Bell. Stephens alleged (among other things) that Bell had been arrested years ago in California. The next day, Stephens put up his new webpage which was primarily a personal attack on Bell, and included the same allegations he had made on the Oates show. Bell soon posted information on his own website refuting Stephens' claim that he had been arrested and served time on pornography charges, and threatened a lawsuit against Stephens, and perhaps others.

Bell unexpectedly left the airwaves again after the April 14 show. The reasons were apparently the same family problems that forced him to quit radio temporarily the previous October. He mysteriously quoted H.L. Mencken: "Every normal man must be tempted at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." Code words, to be sure, but aimed at which target?

During Bell's hiatus, radio veteran Hilly Rose manned the microphone, just as he had when Bell left in October. Many listeners were puzzled, however, when they discovered that Rose was broadcasting on some affiliates, and Whitley Strieber, another Regular Guest, was heard broadcasting on others at the same time--both claiming to be Art's guest host!

The newsgroups, chat rooms, and message boards were awash with the conundrum. Was Art coming back? Had his radio network fired him? And why two guest hosts at the same time? Some fans e-mailed the radio network. Others complained they wanted Bell on the show and no one else. What were these personal problems, and would they ever be resolved? Some must have wished a black helicopter would come and take them away from all this.

On April 28, Michael Lindemann, a regular on the Jeff Rense show, said Whitley Strieber told him he was broadcasting on Bell's show in some markets as a "test host" and would be filling in for him at some point in the future. It was suggested that Bell was tired and perhaps a bit burned out.

Bell returned May 4, and left the impression he would be taking more personal time off in the future, leaving the show in the hands of Rose and Strieber.

Enter "Skarlet." (There's always a woman involved, isn't there?) Claiming to be a former intimate of Oates, she posted logs of her Internet chats with him on her own new website. In one of them, Oates revealed he was the person behind Robert Stephens' anti-Bell website. Stephens had agreed to be the front man and take the heat for him. Oates has apparently denied it, and claims he barely knew Skarlet. Is Oates really behind the Stephens website? Is there really a Face on Mars? The website started as an anti-Bell page, then metamorphosed into an anti-Skarlet site.

Swept up in the whirlwind, Dreamlanders began taking sides, sensing (sometimes incorrectly) who their enemies in The Feud were, and going on the attack on behalf of their champion. Most of the assaults were anonymous, standard for the Internet. Dreamland had become a nightmare.

The denizens of Dreamland read the message boards and listen all night to the talk shows, waiting for a statement on The Feud, or a few sly code words intended for the edification of the opposing camp to chew on; or perhaps they would hear a veiled call to arms from their champion beseeching them to harry the enemy.

Someone somewhere in Dreamland is turning on a computer, is logging onto the Internet, is reading a message board. He is typing on his keyboard and is posting his own message. And if he claims to be Oates or Bell, how to know if he is the Real McCoy or an impostor? Uncertainty is the principle in Dreamland, where Schroedinger's Cat is prowling the streets day and night.

©1999 Leary News Bureau.

And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner

noone222  posted on  2008-03-26   9:22:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Artisan (#35)

His show runs on CLEARCHANNEL stations which are otherwise dominated by GOP neocons.

I'll give it another try, Artisan.

About the only time I listen to radio is when I'm in the car. Sounds like it'll keep me awake! ;-)

The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-26   10:10:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: HOUNDDAWG (#32)

Understandably, it now appears that he had second thoughts once it grew into a monster that frightened him.

There is not a negative bone in my body re. Dr. Paul.

Occam's razor ... he took a reality check, as I did.

God bless an Godspeed, Dr. Paul.

The road to perdition .... Bush/Clinton/Bush/McClinton

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-26   10:54:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Artisan, Jethro Tull, christine, honway, nobody, castletrash (#33) (Edited)

Ron Paul: Idiot or Coward?

Well, to those of us who were traumatized by the assassination of JFK that issue is as important as ever.

But, if I were to say, "Unless Ron Paul stands up and guarantees the truth about the assassination he fails my test and fails the whole of the American people!" you and others might think I was a bit of a self centered egomaniac.

The JFK conspiracy is actually more important because back then people didn't expect our govt to commit heinous crimes in broad daylight and get clean away with it. It was the soul shattering precedent that paved the way for that terrible September day. Juxtapose that with the fact that people actually played the market because of apparent foreknowledge of 9/11, and scientific "experts" are lining up to perjure themselves and wash to the elbows in innocent blood to cozy up to the goddam Bush criminal cartel. Do you think that this bloodlust and official corruption would have been possible if not for JFK's awful murder?

I'm very sorry that you folks who think 9/11 was the end of America use that to measure Ron Paul's courage and integrity. But, sadly, you're mistaken. 9/11 is a grim symptom of a long term systemic infection and getting Ron Paul into the White House was our only chance of making it right without collapsing the country or civil war.

But, sadly, too many crack brains think that 9/11 is the problem and they don't understand the "third rail danger" that it poses to any who dare accuse without the proof in hand. (Remember what happened to Joe McCarthy when he made charges that were probably true but he couldn't prove at the time) If Ron Paul "came clean about 9/11" he'd never be able to rent another hall in America.

He tried to run a positive campaign knowing all too well that there would be rivers of blood if he won and the conspirators are hunted down and punished. And, some assholes demand to know why he didn't switch over to the "Vote for me and I'll paint America crimson with the blood of criminals" platform?

And, from a tactical point of view if you and others expected Ron Paul to be completely candid even to the detriment of his campaign then A) you never expected him to win and B) you don't understand the American people. Do you think American voters want the truth? Why do you think that Ron Paul stayed away from the issue of social security and entitlements on talk shows and interviews?

The bottom line is Ron Paul had no obligation to flaky Pollyannas and dilettantes who don't know shit about how things really work. If he got elected he could have done great things, but he had zero chance of winning the nomination and pleasing folks who wanted him to settle personal scores because they have to stand alone on 9/11. I've been crossing swords with ignorance about the JFK assassination since 1963 and my advice is this. If you can't stand being ridiculed then stay out of the fray. But, no one has the right to say "Ron Paul is a bad person because he wouldn't shock my parents who refuse to believe me about 9/11."

Those who ask "Idiot or Coward?" are more than welcome to run for the presidency on "The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about 9/11" and we'll see how far they get.

Hell, the insurance companies paid off knowing full well that buildings don't collapse into their own footprints. Now, why is that?

And, there have been virtually no changes in high rise construction since that terrible day despite the fact that according to the official story the laws of physics are now mere suggestions that may be disregarded if Zionists and warmongers stare you down and demand double indemnity.

No, it was not yet the time to call out the bastards who could "accidentally crash" a C5 Galaxy right into his hotel room window. If he was the president he could have taken steps to survive and see the investigation through. But, to alert the Satanic evil doers of his intentions prematurely would have almost certainly resulted in his death. Of course, those who so badly want to hear some official say "9/11 was an inside job" were willing to take the risk with Ron Paul's life as they pop their bubble gum while posting anonymously on the internet.

Ron Paul is not stupid. He's a physician, a former air force officer and a seasoned politician who stuck to his principles and stood alone or with a small caucus of like minded others, and he won the respect of millions because he was positive in his leadership. And, when he saw people talking about his imminent demise because of the danger his campaign posed to the federal reserve, he may have asked himself if he was obligated to be martyred for Americans who seemingly are willing to risk nothing and who still dare to criticize him from the safety of the sidelines. Americans don't deserve Ron Paul. As Ben Franklin said, we're getting the government we deserve.

To any assholes who called Ron Paul a coward, well, I'll be watching the news to see where they took their rifles and led other hairy chested patriots in attacks on the system. If they can't win the presidency then they should do the next best thing and martyr themselves just as they cheerfully demanded of Ron Paul.

Sufjan Stevens is a twink

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-03-26   12:43:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: iconoclast (#53)

There is not a negative bone in my body re. Dr. Paul.

Occam's razor ... he took a reality check, as I did.

God bless an Godspeed, Dr. Paul.

Yup.

Me too.

When I witnessed the rank obscenity of smarmy dilettantes actually criticizing Dr. Paul from their anonymous perches because he wouldn't allow millions of "instant gratificons" to micromanage his campaign into their personal hate and retaliation campaigns, I was flabbergasted!

A good man tried to run a positive campaign and he was punished because he wouldn't fall on his sword and commit a serious tactical blunder. It wasn't enough for him to run, oh, no, he was supposed to re-write the rules and demand that the country defer to them. So, we're getting the govt we deserve.

The day that a good woman or man stops patriots from sacrificing in the streets by promising to lead them in a peaceful revolution, well, that'll be the day we are worthy of someone like Dr. Paul.

But, as long as Americans sit on their fat asses and say "Go attack the govt for me, and well be right here posting under the names Stinky and G@tor and we'll tell you when you're doing it wrong!" well, Ron Paul doesn't have to prove a God damned thing to them or me.

Sufjan Stevens is a twink

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-03-26   13:21:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: HOUNDDAWG (#54)

The JFK conspiracy is actually more important because back then people didn't expect our govt to commit heinous crimes in broad daylight and get clean away with it. It was the soul shattering precedent that paved the way for that terrible September day.

I agree wholeheartedly.

JFK is the key.

And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner

noone222  posted on  2008-03-26   13:49:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: HOUNDDAWG (#54)

Good post, thanks for the thought and time that went in to it. You are right. You are right that frustration with the way things are shouldn't be directed towards a guy who did nothing to cause it, and who has been fighting the system for years.

MY REPLY TO ZEITGEIST: 1John Chapter 2: "21 I write to you not because you do not know the truth but because you do, and because every lie is alien to the truth. 22 Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist."
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-26   15:50:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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