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Title: 79% OF AMERICANS BELIEVE WE'RE HEADED FOR DEPRESSION LASTING SEVERAL YEARS - USA Today Poll
Source: USA Today
URL Source: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washin ... 3-17-economy-poll_N.htm#discov
Published: Mar 18, 2008
Author: Richard Wolf
Post Date: 2008-03-24 00:03:27 by Uncle Bill
Keywords: Abolish, Federal, Reserve
Views: 4764
Comments: 20

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Poll: 3 in 4 think USA is in a recession

USA Today
By Richard Wolf
March 18, 2008

WASHINGTON — More than three in four Americans think the country is in a recession, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll over the weekend shows, reflecting a crisis of confidence that economists say could make the economy worse. As the Federal Reserve expanded credit to securities dealers and President Bush said his administration had taken "strong and decisive action," the poll revealed pessimism about the economy's direction.

Seventy-six percent of those polled said the economy is in recession, compared to 22% who said it's not. Not since September 1992, two months before President George H.W. Bush lost re-election, have so many Americans said the economy was in such bad shape.

"Recessions are almost always crises of confidence, and that's what we're having right now," said David Wyss, chief economist at Standard & Poor's.

Asked if the nation could slip into a depression lasting several years, 59% said it was likely, and 79% said they were worried about it. A recession is an economic downturn that usually lasts at least six months; a depression is longer, deeper and more broadly dispersed.

The poll of 1,025 adults was completed Sunday, the day the Federal Reserve financially backed JPMorgan Chase's buyout of venerable investment bank Bear Stearns. It was one in a series of actions meant to stabilize world financial markets and give investors renewed confidence, including a cut in the interest rate on direct loans to banks and a new line of credit for securities dealers.

"When people experience higher gasoline prices, higher heating costs, fewer employment opportunities, housing prices going down … then the common sense conclusion is things aren't very good," said Brian Bethune of economic forecaster Global Insight. Their pessimism "creates more problems," he said.

Jared Bernstein, senior economist at the liberal Economic Policy Institute, said a recession can become a self-fulfilling prophesy: "If folks don't feel confident enough to make that purchase, to take the vacation, even to go out to eat, that obviously reverberates negatively throughout the economy."

To counter that cycle, President Bush briefly invited reporters into his normally private policy meeting with economic advisers Monday. "One thing is for certain, we're in challenging times," Bush said. But he said that the government "is on top of the situation," adding, "in the long run, our economy is going to be fine."

After meeting a second time with Bush on Monday, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson told reporters that the administration is seeking to take actions "that are going to increase confidence in our economy."

Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan sounded more downbeat. Today's financial problems could likely be seen as "the most wrenching since the end of the second world war," Greenspan wrote in the Financial Times on Monday.

Democratic presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton urged greater action. Obama, campaigning in Pennsylvania, said the economy "is heading toward recession. We probably already are in one." He said "we must focus on what we can do to restore the public's confidence in the market."

Clinton was more cautious. Calling it a time of "stress and uncertainty," she said there was "urgency" to continue monetary policies like those taken Sunday. "We are in the soup, and we better get ourselves out of it before the consequences get drastic," Clinton said in Washington.

Presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain was in Iraq Monday. His top economic adviser, Douglas Holtz-Eakin, said McCain has confidence in the Federal Reserve's action to shore up the nation's financial system. But while that action may have been necessary, he said, it's imperative to "ensure that Main Street America does not bail out financial speculators."


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In this pdf file, Table 1 is as follows:

As the article states:

The undeniable truth: In the grand casino of derivatives trading, JPMorgan Chase is overwhelmingly and unabashedly the biggest player of them all. As you can plainly see in the table above, it controls ...

$91.7 trillion in derivatives, or over 53% of all derivatives held by U.S. commercial banks, among which are ...

Nearly $7.8 trillion in the oft-inflammable credit derivatives, or 55.6% of the total.

And all with little more than $1.2 trillion in assets!

JPMorgan Chase will be going down in flames.

"God wouldn't have made sheep if he didn't expect them to be sheared." - J.P. Morgan

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#8. To: Uncle Bill (#0)

I don' think we'll ever have a Great Depression again but this time it's going to hurt. Everyone at work was just informed we have to take a $50 a week paycut. Good thing I'm stocked up on the rice and beans.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2008-03-24   8:06:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: YertleTurtle (#8)

I don' think we'll ever have a Great Depression again

Dont bet your squirrel rifle on that.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-24   9:19:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-03-24   10:58:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#14. To: ghostdogtxn (#13)

Theres a reason Turtle feeds the squirrels all summer, cause he shoots them all winter.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-03-24 11:06:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: christine, Jethro Tull (#13)

Bernanke's "Nuclear Option"

The Financial Destruction Of The Average Man

The Financial Destruction Of The Average Man

MineSet
Jim Sinclair
March 23, 2008

This weekend’s meeting of four heads of central banks communicates the size of the OTC derivative disaster. It is a system that is broken. A bailout will require the printing of trillions of dollars worth of monetary stimulation making Bernanke’s helicopter drop look like chump change.

The dollar number of pending derivative bankruptcies is the size of the mountain of garbage paper issued by just those who are to be bailed out. That number is greater than the total world economies.

There simply isn’t enough money in the world for central banks to buy up the mountain of worthless paper sold by those who need bailouts; all of which made fortunes for their directors, officers and key people.

When an OTC derivative fails to perform, notional value becomes real value.

The notional value of all OTC derivatives exceeds $500 trillion.

Credit default swaps (OTC derivatives) alone account for over $20 trillion dollars of notional value and are failing. Major dealers in these items, Lehman and JP Morgan, had their debt downgraded last week.

Maintaining the AAA rating on debt of public companies primarily issuing default swaps as credit guarantees is a sick JOKE of fabrication. This is a JOKE that in all probability will lead to litigation that destroys the rating companies.

You can be absolutely sure that all the biggies have their money out.

No one mentions these firms being bailed out are the ones who created this disaster, making billions for their economic sin. You can be sure the big boys have their money out of the now on-the-rocks international institutions.

No one mentions that bailing out the bankers will leave the average man victimized and paying for the pleasure of the economic rape.

Meanwhile Derivative Traders (salesmen of perdition, not traders) and their hedge fund managers are all in Greenwich Connecticut with their hundreds of millions and billions, now retired playing tennis on their indoor courts at their waterfront mansions as the mess deepens.

Litigation against the officers and directors of these international banking firms, both against the biggies personally as well as the company, will make the biggies occupation one of defending against litigation for the rest of their lives.

For those biggies in these companies who trust no one and therefore have wives with no money will lose everything. Some of them I know. What goes around certainly comes around.

Litigation against OTC derivatives are slam-dunk victories for the injured plaintiffs. The biggies will pay.

This is the greatest act in history of “Public Be Damned” and “Let them Eat Cake.” It will not come about because in the USA it is already the hottest political potato.

The problem is that the plan of the US legislative is down right STUPID. It is an embarrassment that legislators are so publicly moronic when it comes to economics.

The problem that no one is focusing on right now is the tracking of the mortgage itself to the structured product, which has broken down. That means in these items many can’t connect the underlying mortgage to the structured investment product (derivative).

So far courts have held that the only entity that can foreclose is the entity that actually lent the money. The average guy does not know that with an attorney to protect him he has a free house!

The entity that actually lent the money has sold the mortgage and been paid. Therefore where is the incentive for original lender to foreclose? The answer is there is none. Bankers do not help bankers in the same way that sharks do not help sharks.

Conclusion:

Because of the unthinkable size of the problem it is impossible to construct a Resurrection Trust to buy all these worthless and never to be anything but worthless items.

Should any item surface to do this it will destroy all the National currency of the central banks that participate.

If there were an attempt to construct such an entity with the cooperation of the USA, the US dollar would go much lower than .5200. Gold would go to many thousands of US dollars.

Anyone who last week assumed the problem was over and we would be improving from there on out is simply nuts.


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