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Title: Wailing Wall Row Over Obama's Note
Source: SkyNews
URL Source: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wo ... ful%2527s%2BWailing%2BWall%2BN
Published: Jul 25, 2008
Author: Dominic Waghorn
Post Date: 2008-07-28 16:54:37 by Rotara
Keywords: Fobama, wailing wall, kosha
Views: 382
Comments: 38

2:32pm UK, Friday July 25, 2008

Dominic Waghorn, Middle East correspondent

Is nothing sacred, even in the Holy Land? It seems not, when it comes to Jerusalem's Wailing Wall and its most recent famous visitor, Barack Obama.

Obama at Wailing Wall

In time honoured tradition, the Democratic White House hopeful wedged a prayer note in a crack in the wall when he visited in the early hours on Thursday.

When he had gone, someone took it out again.

A message intended by Obama for his Maker alone, could be read by Israelis over their breakfast, reprinted in full on the front page of a national newspaper.

"Worshippers could not resist the curiosity and pulled out the note," reads the caption on Maariv, unable to resist publishing it, either.

In the private note, handwritten on the headed letter paper of the hotel where he was staying, the presidential hopeful asks God to: "Give me the wisdom to do what is right and just" and "protect my family".

Predictably, the publication has ignited an unholy row.

The wailing or western wall, as it is also known, is the holiest place Jews can visit, because it is the remains of the foundations of the Second Jewish Temple, destroyed by Romans two thousand years ago.

Rabbis for the site have condemned the publication of the note as "disgraceful" saying reading any prayer note is forbidden.

More than a hundred people have complained on the newspapers' website.

Twice a year, religious authorities collect the thousands of prayer notes stuffed into the wall and bury them on the Mount of Olives.

In the digital age, making a western wall prayer note no longer requires paper or going there.

On the wall's official website, a free service allows you to send your own message which will then be printed off and stuck into the wall.

A more confidential service future high profile visitors may prefer to use, given what has happened to Obama.


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#1. To: Rotara (#0)

For once, they have something valid to bitch about.

Lod  posted on  2008-07-28   17:38:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: lodwick (#1)

For once, they have something valid to bitch about.

He has no right to expect privacy. He didn't vote to protect ours.

Peppa  posted on  2008-07-28   17:53:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Peppa (#2)

The outrage was not about the message (which was good enough) but the fact that it was ripped-off and published in violation of their 'tradition.'

I think.

Lod  posted on  2008-07-28   18:03:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: lodwick (#3)

The outrage was not about the message (which was good enough) but the fact that it was ripped-off and published in violation of their 'tradition.'

I think.

We used to have traditions too. (I really do understand your point though).

Peppa  posted on  2008-07-28   18:11:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Peppa. all (#4)

I hope that this comes out OK - copied email -

A Pilots perspective on Obama

,,,,,,,,,,DO I HAVE THIS STRAIGHT?

His father was a black african muslim from kenya .

We have seen pictures of his african family.

His mother was a white american atheist from kansas .

Where are the pictures of his american family?

His father deserted his mother when he was only two years old and went back to africa by way of harvard university .

How? Was his father wealthy?

His mother married an indonesian muslim and then moved to jakarta where he was enrolled in a muslim school .

When he reached high school age his mother sent him to hawaii to be with his white grandparents and he was put into an expensive private school. He later went to harvard university .

How? Were his grandparents rich?

He lives in a $1.4 million house obtained through a deal with a wealthy fundraiser. How?

He 'worked' as a civil rights activist in chicago . He has never held a productive job or received a pay check that was not government-funded and/or taypayer supported.

The presidency is not a civil rights position, nor is it subject to affirmative action set asides;

on-the-job training won't cut it.

He entered politics at the state level and then the national level where he has minimal experience.

He is proud of his 'african heritage'

(a father who got a white girl pregnant and deserted her).

Where is the pride in his 'white heritage'?

(A mother who flaunted convention and did not believe in god).

Some might think there was not much to be proud of either way.

He belongs, and has belonged for over 20 years, to an 'afro-centric' church in chicago that hates whites, hates jews, and blames America for all the world's perceived faults.

(Including creating the aids virus in order to inflict it on Africans).

He repeatedly whitewashes the pastor, his church and the members who cheered after hearing vitriolic tirades against america .

He could not confront his pastor but he wants us to believe he can confront North Korea and Iran ?

Yeah right ! !

During his very brief time in the United States senate he has managed to amass the number one ultra liberal voting record out of the one hundred members.

He has voted consistently for bigger government and higher taxes. He has voted for big entitlements and legislation that would severely curtail america 's ability to fight terrorism and to protect our borders and our national interests around the world.

But, he is a good orator. Isn't that a comfort?

Yeah, I think I see how well he could unite the country.

I think the truth is that he hopes no one will put the pieces together.

Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce you to our new chief pilot. He has never flown an airplane, in fact he has never even sat in the cockpit, but he says he has ridden on planes before. We are sure he will guide us safely through the storms we may encounter on this flight.

People, what are you thinking? Have you never heard the story about the wolf hiding in sheep's clothing so he can destroy them from with-in ? The hand writing is on the wall, do you not have eyes to see it ?

THINK LONG AND HARD BEFORE YOU VOTE FOR THIS GUY!

CONSIDER YOUR KIDS & GRANDKIDS

THEIR FUTURE IS IN OUR VOTING HANDS.

Lod  posted on  2008-07-28   18:38:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: lodwick (#5)

But, he is a good orator.

No, he isn't. Without a prepared speech and a teleprompter he sounds like a blooming idiot with all his uh's and ah's.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-07-28   19:20:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: James Deffenbach (#6)

Fair enough point.

He's a Chicago mob idiot.

Lod  posted on  2008-07-28   20:20:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: lodwick (#7)

Fair enough point.

He's a Chicago mob idiot.

He is that for sure.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-07-28   20:38:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: lodwick, James Deffenbach (#7)

I think the two different pictures (lighting?) of the same scene at roughly the same moment are so Odifferent. Not to mention that Fobama went over and put on the cap. Some changewehope! LOL

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-07-28   20:42:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: lodwick (#5)

I think the truth is that he hopes no one will put the pieces together.

Yep, and he's more white than black, but lets not let the facts get in the way.

Peppa  posted on  2008-07-28   20:44:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: James Deffenbach (#6)

But, he is a good orator.

No, he isn't. Without a prepared speech and a teleprompter he sounds like a blooming idiot with all his uh's and ah's.

Yep.

He never knew who he was, and still doesn't. This is why he is getting worse for wear. He's really NOT that great of a speaker, and certainly dumber than we all fathomed.

Peppa  posted on  2008-07-28   20:45:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Peppa (#11)

Isn't it amazing? Hillary was alleged to be the "smartest woman in the world" and now they are falling all over themselves trying to promote the fiction that Obama is some kind of mental giant. Weird.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-07-28   20:50:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: James Deffenbach (#12)

James...

Have you read the quote from Obummers book re his past white girl friend.

That part is a work of art.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-07-28   20:54:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Cynicom (#13)

Cyni,

If anyone thinks that note accidently became public, well, the word asshat comes to mind.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-07-28   20:56:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jethro Tull (#14)

Nothing ever happens in Israel by accident.

I did notice the first and most fervent prayer by Obummer was for the "safety of his family and his person".

I find that odd in two ways.

As a child I was taught NEVER ask for yourself.

Number two if he is afraid, what is it that allows him to endanger his family by his own admission?

Cynicom  posted on  2008-07-28   21:01:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Jethro Tull (#14)

If anyone thinks that note accidently became public, well, the word asshat comes to mind.

LOL, izzy stages some doozy photo ops!!!! ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-07-28   21:01:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Cynicom (#15)

I did notice the first and most fervent prayer by Obummer was for the "safety of his family and his person".

I find that odd in two ways.

As a child I was taught NEVER ask for yourself.

Number two if he is afraid, what is it that allows him to endanger his family by his own admission?

No mention of America or struggling Americans. He's truly a pig. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-07-28   21:02:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: James Deffenbach (#12)

Isn't it amazing? Hillary was alleged to be the "smartest woman in the world" and now they are falling all over themselves trying to promote the fiction that Obama is some kind of mental giant. Weird.

It is weird.

Well, we ARE playing.....'Are you Smarter than a 5th grader' here.

Peppa  posted on  2008-07-28   21:03:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom (#15)

As a child I was taught NEVER ask for yourself.

Rev. Wright's sermons might have been formative?

Peppa  posted on  2008-07-28   21:07:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Peppa (#19)

Rev. Wright's sermons might have been formative?

Difficult to believe that any man would knowingly admit to having concern that what he is doing well might endanger his family.

Money and position is of no concern, however I suspect lust for power and position trumps family.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-07-28   21:11:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Peppa. all (#18)

Great points everyone.

Just Great.

Green Party, anyone?

If you bother to vote at all...

Lod  posted on  2008-07-28   21:11:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Cynicom (#20)

Difficult to believe that any man would knowingly admit to having concern that what he is doing well might endanger his family.

Money and position is of no concern, however I suspect lust for power and position trumps family.

Hmmm... His bride is rather ready for the reigns as well.

Peppa  posted on  2008-07-28   21:17:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Peppa (#18)

Well, we ARE playing.....'Are you Smarter than a 5th grader' here.

And people who vote for establishment critters probably couldn't answer that in the affirmative, at least not honestly.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-07-28   23:23:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: lodwick (#21)

Great points everyone.

Just Great.

Green Party, anyone?

If you bother to vote at all...

Chuck Baldwin and the Constitution Party for me provided they make it onto the ballot here.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-07-28   23:25:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: James Deffenbach, lodwick (#24)

Great points everyone.

Just Great.

Green Party, anyone?

If you bother to vote at all...

Chuck Baldwin and the Constitution Party for me provided they make it onto the ballot here.

I just can not consider an envirowhacko socialist myself; that being said, PLEASE don't support the establishment's D-R National Party charade! ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-07-28   23:30:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: James Deffenbach (#23)

And people who vote for establishment critters probably couldn't answer that in the affirmative, at least not honestly

Exactly.

They rather park their bitches on their neighbors door.

Cowards all.

Peppa  posted on  2008-07-28   23:41:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Peppa (#26)

You got it Peppa. Nice to hear from you.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-07-29   10:44:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Cynicom (#15)

As a child I was taught NEVER ask for yourself.

This is what I was taught:

Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread.

And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.

Tauzero  posted on  2008-07-29   10:54:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: lodwick, James Deffenbach (#5)

I think the truth is that he hopes no one will put the pieces together.

just more proof that it is not "WE" who decide with our votes.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-07-29   10:54:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: James Deffenbach (#27)

You got it Peppa. Nice to hear from you.

Thanks JD! You too!

Peppa  posted on  2008-07-29   10:58:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Tauzero (#28)

Amen and thanks.

Lod  posted on  2008-07-29   10:58:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Cynicom (#15)

As a child I was taught NEVER ask for yourself.

And that is one of the keys to prayer. One really shouldn't even ask for a specific solution either since it is supposed to be God's will that matters.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-07-29   10:59:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: James Deffenbach, lodwick (#24)

Chuck Baldwin and the Constitution Party for me provided they make it onto the ballot here.

That is the question isn't it?


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-07-29   11:01:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Rotara (#0)

According to IsraelInsider, Obama's campaign pre-approved the leak of the note. Oooopsie. A few more poll points lost with this latest revelation.

"Paper, rapped for outing Obama note, claims campaign pre-approved leak"

web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/13021.htm

scrapper2  posted on  2008-07-29   11:50:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: scrapper2 (#34)

Obama's campaign pre-approved the leak of the note. Oooopsie.

God is not mocked. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-07-29   12:00:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: farmfriend (#33)

That is the question isn't it?

After Ron dropped out, to me the only candidate worth voting for is Chuck Baldwin. I would have loved to see a ticket with either of those guys for Pres and the other for Veep because they are both great, at least I think so.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-07-29   12:16:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: James Deffenbach (#36)

America is in the greatest trouble of its history not even excepting the Great Depression, because we stand on the cliff of the Greater Depression with our Civil Liberties being stripped.

And what do we get? A two party system our republic was never designed for. We need heroes, and the DemReps keep serving us asses.

octavia  posted on  2008-08-06   4:17:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: octavia (#37)

Great post.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-08-06   13:50:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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